..do my eyes deceive me?
Papa Bear
another shocking performance by Sean Rowbotham, when (yet again) he hands
the game on a plate to Celtic: bookings and penalties that never were, the
game allowed to continue in what every observer described as farcical and
unplayable conditions... why?..because Celtic were 1-0 up and he bottled
abandoning the game?..nah..that would be paranoid....tell you what, lhads,
since I've been keeping a wee record of controversial decisions favouring or
penalising Celtic it's been very instructive...it instructs me that your
whining abour refereeing bias is pure mince..
pb
Liam
Papa Bear <Papa...@igloo.com> wrote in message
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Old Father Tim
Papa Bear wrote ...
> ....not a single mention by the referee watchers of these newsgroups of
yet
> another shocking performance by Sean Rowbotham, when (yet again) he hands
> the game on a plate to Celtic: bookings and penalties that never were, the
> game allowed to continue in what every observer described as farcical and
> unplayable conditions... why?..because Celtic were 1-0 up and he bottled
> abandoning the game?..nah..that would be paranoid....tell you what, lhads,
> since I've been keeping a wee record of controversial decisions favouring
or
> penalising Celtic it's been very instructive...it instructs me that your
> whining abour refereeing bias is pure mince..
>
oft
Stewart Smith
>.....not a single mention by the referee watchers of these newsgroups of yet
>another shocking performance by Sean Rowbotham, when (yet again) he hands
>the game on a plate to Celtic: bookings and penalties that never were, the
>game allowed to continue in what every observer described as farcical and
>unplayable conditions... why?..because Celtic were 1-0 up and he bottled
>abandoning the game?..nah..that would be paranoid....tell you what, lhads,
>since I've been keeping a wee record of controversial decisions favouring or
>penalising Celtic it's been very instructive...it instructs me that your
>whining abour refereeing bias is pure mince..
>
>
>
Wank. I never saw the game and neither have you papa. Are you going by Sandy Clarkes moaning
or something you read in a tabloid this morning? Maybe the ref should have stopped it at half
time but as far as I could tell from the radio the pitch only got really bad towards the end
of the second half. I bet we'd be the ones being paranoid today if the game had been cut short
when we were winning and we complained. I don't think we've had anything complain about any of
the refs this season except maybe some of the decisions Sutton receives. The only one who's
been moaning in a paranoid fashion about decisions lately has been you.
Stew
Jimbhoy
Papa Bear wrote in message
<8ehH5.11676$NQ4.2...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>.
..
|....not a single mention by the referee watchers of
these newsgroups of yet
|another shocking performance by Sean Rowbotham,
...our refereeing bias is pure mince..
|
|pb
|
Were you at the game, Caller ? Thought not ! BTW, can
I have your old scarf ? Hee hee hee !
Jimbhoy
'Dry yer eyes ya winging wee blouse, Genital !'
Tom Kelly
"Papa Bear" <Papa...@igloo.com> wrote in message
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yet
> the game on a plate to Celtic: bookings and penalties that never were, the
> game allowed to continue in what every observer described as farcical and
> unplayable conditions... why?..because Celtic were 1-0 up and he bottled
> abandoning the game?..nah..that would be paranoid....tell you what, lhads,
> since I've been keeping a wee record of controversial decisions favouring
or
> penalising Celtic it's been very instructive...it instructs me that your
>
> pb
>
>
That's no way to talk about the club that used to pay you're wages ! Anyway,
were you there ? Did you even listen to the game on the radio ? NO ? Well
gezzabrake !
Tom Kelly
Andy Mulhern
wrote:
Ah, pb, King of the Troll. Where would we be without him.....
>....not a single mention by the referee watchers of these newsgroups of yet
>another shocking performance by Sean Rowbotham, when (yet again) he hands
>the game on a plate to Celtic: bookings and penalties that never were,
Apart from the fact that I haven't seen any TV pics of the game (and
neither have you I would guess - therefore we are going on the word of
the media, which I thought would be above someone of your undoubted
intelligence, pb), you seem to be drawing on a very selective memory
here.
According to the media at the game, we got a stonewaller turned down
early on when it was 0-0. At half time, the self same media told us
that Rowbotham was right for stopping the free-kick, going into the
box, sorting out the scuffles, and then letting the game commence,
leading up to a goal. According to the media, there were a couple of
booking that weren't deserved - including Henriks would you believe.
According to the media, Kernaghan was lucky to still be on the park,
despite it being a soft penalty (although of the type we've seen
countless times before). And the fact that it was the linesman who
spotted the punch, surely removes any blame from Rowbotham for the
sending off incident.....
Not that I'm arguing Rowbotham is a good ref. He absolutely ruined one
of our games earlier in the season (can't remember which just now),
and was attrocious that day. Thats what he gets for having the
temerity to send of Gazza, huh? Poor guys never looked anywhere near
the ref he was before that.....
> the
>game allowed to continue in what every observer described as farcical and
>unplayable conditions... why?..because Celtic were 1-0 up and he bottled
>abandoning the game?..nah..that would be paranoid....
That would indeed be paranoid. You're getting worse at this, pb.
Trolling I mean.....
>tell you what, lhads,
>since I've been keeping a wee record of controversial decisions favouring or
>penalising Celtic it's been very instructive...it instructs me that your
>whining abour refereeing bias is pure mince..
And you're whining about our whining is getting to be a real bore.
Funny, but you were telling us only the other day how you Rangers fans
don't let decisions going against you get to you. Here's a wee quote
for you......
"but as it's us we just say, fucking crap refereeing, shit
happens..move on"
pb, crap refereeing, shit happens, move on.......
:)
bob
Andy Mulhern <a_NOSPA...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:39eebed...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
: According to the media at the game, we got a stonewaller turned down
: early on when it was 0-0.
Ah not Davie Provan by any chance!
:At half time, the self same media told us
: that Rowbotham was right for stopping the free-kick, going into the
: box, sorting out the scuffles, and then letting the game commence,
: leading up to a goal.
Davie again?
:According to the media, there were a couple of
: booking that weren't deserved - including Henriks would you believe.
If not provan then surely keevins?
: According to the media, Kernaghan was lucky to still be on the park,
Celtic view journalist?
: despite it being a soft penalty (although of the type we've seen
: countless times before). And the fact that it was the linesman who
: spotted the punch, surely removes any blame from Rowbotham for the
: sending off incident.....
:
-bob
bob
Papa Bear <Papa...@igloo.com> wrote in message
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yet
: another shocking performance by Sean Rowbotham, when (yet again) he hands
: game allowed to continue in what every observer described as farcical and
: unplayable conditions... why?..because Celtic were 1-0 up and he bottled
: since I've been keeping a wee record of controversial decisions favouring
or
: penalising Celtic it's been very instructive...it instructs me that your
: whining abour refereeing bias is pure mince..
: pb
:
From today's Herald -
To make matters worse, four minutes from time Celtic got a very soft
penalty, considering the weather conditions, when Alan Kernaghan was
adjudged to have body-checked Bobby Petta in the box.
Hmmmm, should have read ... the usual very soft penalty!
-bob
Andy Mulhern
wrote:
>
>Andy Mulhern <a_NOSPA...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:39eebed...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
>: According to the media at the game, we got a stonewaller turned down
>: early on when it was 0-0.
>
>Ah not Davie Provan by any chance!
Eh, no. I would only listen to Clyde as a last resort. Try Gordon
Smith, and the rest of them at Radio Scotland (Bar Chick Yount)
Peter Wason
Saturday night we'll be 12 points clear so we will probably got more pish
from the likes of you and pb. keep it up we're loving every minute of it.
PW.
stevie.oliver
They most certainly seem to. Have you actually seen the decisions you
mention or are you reading the Red Tops reporting of an outburst by a
manager under severe pressure. A manager looking for any excuse to
explain his sides continuing dismall form and to save the axe from
descending on his brass neck.
I like to actually see decisions on telly at least before judging. Certain
papers
easily put their spin on a story to create controversy. At least wait and
see if
the decisions are on telly tonight before clutching at your paranoid straws.
The concensus in all the papers does though seem to be that this was a
result
well deserved and hard won by Celtic as The Sainties didn't seem to offer
much
attack wise, but then who am I to judge, I never saw the game.
After years of being called paraniod the shoe certainly seems to have
changed feet now
so Get It Up Ye.
RossAFC
yet
> another shocking performance by Sean Rowbotham, when (yet again) he hands
> the game on a plate to Celtic: bookings and penalties that never were,
>
>
>
>
Had a good old chuckle to myself when the TV showed the player getting
sent off for elbowing and the voiceover said "after seeing that theres no
way Rowbottom was going to allow that" immediately my mind wandered to a
game at Ibrox once involving the said Ref and Gazza where he broke a jaw
and caused about 50 stitches . All assaults administered under JBs beady
eye.result no red 1 yellow .Yes Pb i agree with you JB is the pits
--
Ross
afc
Stephen R
"Stewart Smith" <s...@ee.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:8sk875$m7h$2...@scotsman.ed.ac.uk...
> In article <8ehH5.11676$NQ4.2...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>, "Papa
Bear" <Papa...@igloo.com> writes:
>
> Wank. I never saw the game and neither have you papa. Are you going by
Sandy Clarkes moaning
> or something you read in a tabloid this morning?
Typical of a tim... if we get a dodgy decision, no matter wether the tims
where at the game or not, the refs are on our side, and so on, but when they
go your way, there is no mention of it. Listen to yourselfs!
Stephen
stevie.oliver
The second one was clear. Petta dribbled into the box put the
ball past the Saintie who turned and bodychecked Petta's run.
No doubt a penalty.
The paranoia stems from the first incident, shown on BBC, early
in the game. Again the wing wizard dribbles into the box and
is tripped. No penalty. A penalty at that stage would have settled
Celtic and they may have won the game more comfortably. Instead
the ref waits 'til the game is almost over and Celtic are leading before
he has the nerve to give us a deserved penalty decision.
Thanks Papa for pointing out this injustice to us and stoking the
fires of our paranoia further.
Cheers, Stevie.
Papa Bear
Is this the same Radio Scotland team who, at the end of the programme, said
that Sandy Clark would be furious because of the refereeing decision went
for Celtic and that any Celtic fan who rang in in future to whine about
referees would be reminded of this game?..you know, I think it may be..
pb
Papa Bear
"RossAFC" <ro...@ross1903.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Rowbotham broke gazzas jaw and caused 50 stitches?..are you sure?...I don't
think I heard about that at the time..
pb
ZB
> :
>
> From today's Herald -
>
> To make matters worse, four minutes from time Celtic got a very soft
> penalty, considering the weather conditions, when Alan Kernaghan was
> adjudged to have body-checked Bobby Petta in the box.
>
> Hmmmm, should have read ... the usual very soft penalty!
>
> -bob
>
"the usual soft sending off".
ZB.
Papa Bear
"Tom Kelly" <celt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:39ed...@news.jakinternet.co.uk...
> That's no way to talk about the club that used to pay you're wages !
...who have you been talking to?
pb
Papa Bear
"Jimbhoy" <j...@paradise.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
>
> Were you at the game, Caller ? Thought not ! BTW, can
> I have your old scarf ? Hee hee hee !
sure, it is old but it is beautiful and the colours they are fine...;)
pb
ZB
Papa Bear <Papa...@igloo.com> wrote in message
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Yes.
Andy Mulhern
wrote:
>Is this the same Radio Scotland team who, at the end of the programme, said
>that Sandy Clark would be furious because of the refereeing decision went
>for Celtic and that any Celtic fan who rang in in future to whine about
>referees would be reminded of this game?..you know, I think it may be..
And your point is?
RossM
> sent off for elbowing and the voiceover said "after seeing that theres no
> way Rowbottom was going to allow that" immediately my mind wandered to a
> game at Ibrox once involving the said Ref and Gazza where he broke a jaw
> and caused about 50 stitches . All assaults administered under JBs beady
> eye.result no red 1 yellow .Yes Pb i agree with you JB is the pits
> --
> Ross
> afc
Is that you mentioning something to do with Rangers in a negative context
again Ross? Surely not.
RossM
RossM
"stevie.oliver" <stevie...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Never a penalty in a 10 million years if that had been a Saints forward and
a Celtic defender you would be saying that the forward ran into the
defender. The first one looked more of a penalty than the second one.
RossM
Andy Mulhern
Andy Mulhern
wrote:
>..that the 'Media' at the game called it as a blatantly pro-celtic piece of
>refereeing for almost the entirity of the match (cue "The Media's against us
>tae" refrain)...
Eh, no they didn't. They called it as a referee having a bad night and
making mistakes that hurt both teams. You're really scraping the
bottom of the barrel on this one, pb. If you're gonna argue about it,
at least know what you're talking about.....
Andy Mulhern
Eh, should have been a wee smiley thrown in at the end there,pb. Just
like this one
;)
Papa Bear
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:51:41 -0000, "Papa Bear" <Papa...@igloo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >Is this the same Radio Scotland team who, at the end of the programme,
said
> >that Sandy Clark would be furious because of the refereeing decision went
> >for Celtic and that any Celtic fan who rang in in future to whine about
> >referees would be reminded of this game?..you know, I think it may be..
>
> And your point is?
..that the 'Media' at the game called it as a blatantly pro-celtic piece of
refereeing for almost the entirity of the match (cue "The Media's against us
tae" refrain)...
pb
Old Father Tim
Stephen R wrote ...
> > In article <8ehH5.11676$NQ4.2...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>, "Papa
> Bear" <Papa...@igloo.com> writes:
> >
> > Wank. I never saw the game and neither have you papa. Are you going by
> Sandy Clarkes moaning
> > or something you read in a tabloid this morning?
>
> Typical of a tim... if we get a dodgy decision, no matter wether the tims
> where at the game or not, the refs are on our side, and so on, but when
they
> go your way, there is no mention of it. Listen to yourselfs!
>
> Stephen
>
What happened to your 3 in a row sig? Reality starting to dawn on you is it?
oft
RossAFC
shocker(not as bad as Lamberts dive mind you) the other one looked a
clear penalty.
--
Ross
afc
RossAFC
--
Ross
afc
RossAFC
> "RossAFC" <ro...@ross1903.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1457efec1...@news.freeserve.net...
> > yet
> > > another shocking performance by Sean Rowbotham, when (yet again) he
> hands
> > > the game on a plate to Celtic: bookings and penalties that never were,
> > >
> > > pb
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > sent off for elbowing and the voiceover said "after seeing that theres no
> > way Rowbottom was going to allow that" immediately my mind wandered to a
> > game at Ibrox once involving the said Ref and Gazza where he broke a jaw
> > and caused about 50 stitches . All assaults administered under JBs beady
> > eye.result no red 1 yellow .Yes Pb i agree with you JB is the pits
> > --
> > Ross
> > afc
>
> think I heard about that at the time..
>
> pb
>
>
>
>
--
Ross
afc
ZB
at Ibrox or watching the game intenetly (i.e. not with the radio turned on).
The "Meeja" that I listened to did not say that the ref was pro-Sellik. They
said that he made a few strange decisions which hurt both teams. And if you
watch the penaly incident (it was on Sky Sports News) it was a blatant foul
on Petta.
ZB.
Papa Bear
> On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 00:37:42 -0000, "Papa Bear" <Papa...@igloo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >> >Is this the same Radio Scotland team who, at the end of the programme,
> >said
> >> >that Sandy Clark would be furious because of the refereeing decision
went
> >> >for Celtic and that any Celtic fan who rang in in future to whine
about
> >> >referees would be reminded of this game?..you know, I think it may
be..
> >>
> >> And your point is?
> >
> >..that the 'Media' at the game called it as a blatantly pro-celtic piece
of
> >refereeing for almost the entirity of the match (cue "The Media's against
us
> >tae" refrain)...
>
> making mistakes that hurt both teams. You're really scraping the
> bottom of the barrel on this one, pb. If you're gonna argue about it,
> at least know what you're talking about.....
Richard Gordon was almost going spare after the match, so biased did he feel
Rowbotham to be a view shared by Chick Young and although Gordon Smith
didn't subscribe to the OF get every decision going theory, he felt too that
Rowbotham showed a heavy leaning toward Celtic..3 observers, two of whom are
usually impartial vis a vis Celtic all saying the same thing....as did Sandy
Clark after the game...the ref had a nighmare and favoured Celtic..everybody
agrees that's what happened except Celtic fans (surprise surprise)
pb
bob
: watch the penaly incident (it was on Sky Sports News) it was a blatant
foul
: on Petta.
:
: ZB.
Blatant my arse, Petta nutmeged the defender and as the defender turned
Petta charged into him and threw himself to the ground - the full lambert as
they say!
-bob
Tom Kelly
Aha, now that would be telling, wouldn't it. C'mon, you might as well spill
all the bean's now that you've been rumbled. Why not start a new thread
baring you're soul, and cross post it to the three NG's.
Tom Kelly
Papa Bear
....you bluff, Kelly..you're stabbing round in the dark hoping to hit on
something..are you a journo?
pb
Papa Bear
"bob" <addwi...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:8smb1p$r83$1...@dennis.cc.strath.ac.uk...
> And if you
> : watch the penaly incident (it was on Sky Sports News) it was a blatant
> foul
> : on Petta.
> :
> : ZB.
>
> Petta charged into him and threw himself to the ground - the full lambert
as
> they say!
>
> -bob
actually, only a half lambert, bob...Petta was at least in the box..
pb
Tom Kelly
LOL, PB. OK, I put my hands up, it's a fair cop ! I was bluffing........but
one of these day's I'll get to the bottom of it......:o))
Tom Kelly
Old Father Tim
Papa Bear wrote ...
>
> "Tom Kelly" wrote ...
> > "Papa Bear" <Papa...@igloo.com> wrote in message
> > news:78pH5.12866$oD.2...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > >
> > > "Tom Kelly" <celt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:39ed...@news.jakinternet.co.uk...
> > >
> > > > That's no way to talk about the club that used to pay you're wages !
> > >
> > >
> > > ...who have you been talking to?
> > >
> > > pb
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Aha, now that would be telling, wouldn't it. C'mon, you might as well
> spill
> > all the bean's now that you've been rumbled. Why not start a new thread
> > baring you're soul, and cross post it to the three NG's.
> >
> > Tom Kelly
>
> ....you bluff, Kelly..you're stabbing round in the dark hoping to hit on
> something..are you a journo?
>
park - he was employed to sweep up after the games.
(Don't worry papa - I'll not mention the season you spent as hoopy)
oft
Andy Mulhern
wrote:
>Richard Gordon was almost going spare after the match, so biased did he feel
>Rowbotham to be a view shared by Chick Young and although Gordon Smith
>didn't subscribe to the OF get every decision going theory, he felt too that
>Rowbotham showed a heavy leaning toward Celtic
Actually, no. They both started on that view, and then Gordon Smith
went on about how he didn't believe this, and Richard Gordon conceded
the point, saying "I hate it when he gets all rational" or words to
that effect. If they thought the ref was so pro-celtic, why did they
defend him at half time over the first goal, and why did they call
early stonewaller we didn't get as a blatant penalty, and why did they
call Henriks booking as "never a booking". Hardly makes sense if they
believed the ref to be so biased, does it?
>..3 observers, two of whom are
>usually impartial vis a vis Celtic all saying the same thing
Actually, only 2. Gordon Smith put it down to the ref having a bad
night. I don't know where Richard Gordon's allegiances lie, tho I
would suspect they would be with one of the Northern teams, and as for
Chick Young.......
>....as did Sandy
>Clark after the game
Yup, a manager who's just seen his team beaten, blaming the ref.
Doesn't happen often does it.....
>...the ref had a nighmare and favoured Celtic
Yup, he did have a knightmare, didn't he. Denied Celtic a stonewall
penalty, sent off one of their players for punching one of ours, gave
us a penalty for the kind of thing that gets given week in week out,
and didn't send of the player who commited foul leading up to said
penalty, and who had already been booked. If thats a pro-celtic ref,
then I dread to see what the anti-celtic ones are like. No, wait. I
think we all know what they're like ;)
>everybody
>agrees that's what happened except Celtic fans (surprise surprise)
Actually, you're wrong. Various reports in the media backed at least
most of the referee's decisions.
John Findlay
> > >
> > > "Papa Bear" <Papa...@igloo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:78pH5.12866$oD.2...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Tom Kelly" <celt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:39ed...@news.jakinternet.co.uk...
> > > >
> > > > > That's no way to talk about the club that used to pay you're wages
!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ...who have you been talking to?
> > > >
> > > > pb
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Aha, now that would be telling, wouldn't it. C'mon, you might as well
> > spill
> > > all the bean's now that you've been rumbled. Why not start a new
thread
> > > baring you're soul, and cross post it to the three NG's.
> > >
> > > Tom Kelly
> >
> > ....you bluff, Kelly..you're stabbing round in the dark hoping to hit on
> > something..are you a journo?
> >
> >
> >
>
> LOL, PB. OK, I put my hands up, it's a fair cop ! I was
bluffing........but
> one of these day's I'll get to the bottom of it......:o))
>
> Tom Kelly
>
i'm a journo tell us your side or i'll print the lies i've got.
Tut Tut.
Johnf
Stephen R
"Old Father Tim" <the.eg...@the.end.of.tim> wrote in message
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> What happened to your 3 in a row sig? Reality starting to dawn on you is
it?
>
> oft
No, I just forgot about that. Shit!
Stephen
3 in a row (200000000 more to go...)
Jason Connon
9 points and counting!!!
Papa Bear wrote in message
<8ehH5.11676$NQ4.2...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>...
>....not a single mention by the referee watchers of these newsgroups of yet
>another shocking performance by Sean Rowbotham, when (yet again) he hands
>the game on a plate to Celtic: bookings and penalties that never were, the
>game allowed to continue in what every observer described as farcical and
>unplayable conditions... why?..because Celtic were 1-0 up and he bottled
>abandoning the game?..nah..that would be paranoid....tell you what, lhads,
>since I've been keeping a wee record of controversial decisions favouring
or
>penalising Celtic it's been very instructive...it instructs me that your
>whining abour refereeing bias is pure mince..
>
>pb
>
>
Papa Bear
"Old Father Tim" <the.eg...@the.end.of.tim> wrote in message
>
> Papa Bear wrote ...
> >
> > "Tom Kelly" wrote ...
> > > news:78pH5.12866$oD.2...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Tom Kelly" <celt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:39ed...@news.jakinternet.co.uk...
> > > >
> > > > > That's no way to talk about the club that used to pay you're wages
!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ...who have you been talking to?
> > > >
> > > > pb
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Aha, now that would be telling, wouldn't it. C'mon, you might as well
> > spill
> > > all the bean's now that you've been rumbled. Why not start a new
thread
> > > baring you're soul, and cross post it to the three NG's.
> > >
> > > Tom Kelly
> >
> > ....you bluff, Kelly..you're stabbing round in the dark hoping to hit on
> > something..are you a journo?
> >
Celtic
> park - he was employed to sweep up after the games.
> (Don't worry papa - I'll not mention the season you spent as hoopy)
>
> oft
well....I *did* spend a lot of time dealing with the rubbish that collected
round Celtic Park ;)
pb
Papa Bear
> On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:55:47 -0000, "Papa Bear" <Papa...@igloo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >Richard Gordon was almost going spare after the match, so biased did he
feel
> >Rowbotham to be a view shared by Chick Young and although Gordon Smith
> >didn't subscribe to the OF get every decision going theory, he felt too
that
> >Rowbotham showed a heavy leaning toward Celtic
>
> Actually, no. They both started on that view, and then Gordon Smith
> went on about how he didn't believe this, and Richard Gordon conceded
> the point, saying "I hate it when he gets all rational" or words to
> that effect.
once again selective hearing...what Smith didn't believe was that there was
any grounds for the paranoia shown by Celtic fans and Richard Gordon's
comment on Smith's being rational was made in response to a later point
about the OF benefitting from refereeing decisions... do pay attention
Mulhern, otherwise you're just wasting the license fee
> Yup, he did have a knightmare, didn't he. Denied Celtic a stonewall
> penalty,
stonewall!...but then you would say that,
> sent off one of their players for punching one of ours,
allowed one of yours to stay on after kicking him
> gave
> us a penalty for the kind of thing that gets given week in week out,
..only to Celtic and only if Lambert is playing
> and didn't send of the player who commited foul leading up to said
> penalty, and who had already been booked.
he hardly needed to, did he?..he'd already ensured that you got three
points...still I suppose the ball crossed the line on both occassions this
time, which is nice.
> If thats a pro-celtic ref,
> then I dread to see what the anti-celtic ones are like. No, wait. I
> think we all know what they're like ;)
well if you think that rowbotham didn't favour Celtic, it's patently obvious
why you think every other ref is against you...
> Actually, you're wrong. Various reports in the media backed at least
> most of the referee's decisions.
yes Tom Shields, Hugh Keevins and the Celtic View all support your version
of events...I'm just going by reports from the impartial observers who were
actually there..
pb
Andy Mulhern
wrote:
>once again selective hearing...what Smith didn't believe was that there was
>any grounds for the paranoia shown by Celtic fans and Richard Gordon's
>comment on Smith's being rational was made in response to a later point
>about the OF benefitting from refereeing decisions... do pay attention
>Mulhern, otherwise you're just wasting the license fee
Okay, here's what you said when I asked you what your point was....
".that the 'Media' at the game called it as a blatantly pro-celtic
piece of refereeing"
as well as in later posts.....
"he felt too that Rowbotham showed a heavy leaning toward Celtic"
(Gordon Smith)
"Richard Gordon was almost going spare after the match, so biased did
he feel Rowbotham to be"
Now from this, you are saying that the people on radio scotland were
implying Rowbotham was DELIBERATLELY biased against St Johnstone, and
in favour of Celtic. This did not happen. All 3 people mentioned,
never once claimed this, just that the referee had a bad night, and
gave decisions that benefited celtic (and they also mentioned more
than once decisions that went against celtic). There is a difference
between them saying that the ref was pro celtic, and them saying the
ref gave decisions that went celtics way....
>
>> Yup, he did have a knightmare, didn't he. Denied Celtic a stonewall
>> penalty,
>
>stonewall!...but then you would say that,
Not just me. The very same people on the radio that you like to quote
(albeit inaccurately), and every media report I've seen of the
game....
>> sent off one of their players for punching one of ours,
>
>allowed one of yours to stay on after kicking him
Was this categorically proven, or is it just the excuse of a red
carded player trying to justify his actions? We may never know....
>> gave
>> us a penalty for the kind of thing that gets given week in week out,
>
>..only to Celtic and only if Lambert is playing
I think this sums up you're general level of paranoia ;)
>> and didn't send of the player who commited foul leading up to said
>> penalty, and who had already been booked.
>
>he hardly needed to, did he?..he'd already ensured that you got three
>points...still I suppose the ball crossed the line on both occassions this
>time, which is nice.
Once again, can't answer the point, so you resort to petty swipes ;)
>> If thats a pro-celtic ref,
>> then I dread to see what the anti-celtic ones are like. No, wait. I
>> think we all know what they're like ;)
>
>well if you think that rowbotham didn't favour Celtic, it's patently obvious
>why you think every other ref is against you...
I never ever said that Rowbotham didn't give decisions that went our
way, just that in the rush to get a good refs are pro celtic story,
your conveniantly forgetting the important decisions that went against
celtic.....
Never ever claimed on here that any ref was against us. Just that
there are some shocking referees. You sure you weren't a tim in your
younger days, pb. You have all the trademark paranoia ;)
>> Actually, you're wrong. Various reports in the media backed at least
>> most of the referee's decisions.
>
>yes Tom Shields, Hugh Keevins and the Celtic View all support your version
>of events...I'm just going by reports from the impartial observers who were
>actually there..
Naturally. We all know theres a pro-celtic media conspiracy to go with
the pro-celtic refereeing one,don't we? ;)
Ah, pb. To be honest here, I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing.
But if you want to continue, by all means go ahead ;)
ZB
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>
> "stevie.oliver" <stevie...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:kSlH5.12203$NQ4.2...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > Having SEEN the penalty incidents my paranoia has grown.
> > The second one was clear. Petta dribbled into the box put the
> > ball past the Saintie who turned and bodychecked Petta's run.
> >
> > No doubt a penalty.
> >
> > The paranoia stems from the first incident, shown on BBC, early
> > in the game. Again the wing wizard dribbles into the box and
> > is tripped. No penalty. A penalty at that stage would have settled
> > Celtic and they may have won the game more comfortably. Instead
> > the ref waits 'til the game is almost over and Celtic are leading before
> > he has the nerve to give us a deserved penalty decision.
> >
> > Thanks Papa for pointing out this injustice to us and stoking the
> > fires of our paranoia further.
> >
> > Cheers, Stevie.
> >
> >
>
and
> a Celtic defender you would be saying that the forward ran into the
> defender. The first one looked more of a penalty than the second one.
>
> RossM
>
ZB.
Old Father Tim
Andy Mulhern wrote ...
> >> sent off one of their players for punching one of ours,
> >
> >allowed one of yours to stay on after kicking him
>
> Was this categorically proven, or is it just the excuse of a red
> carded player trying to justify his actions? We may never know....
>
Actually going by the view of the incident on Inside Scottish football it
appeared that both players were doing the usual bumping into each other that
seems to be the fashion at corners these days. The St Johnstone player took
thehump and elbowed Mjallby in the face. Mjallby didn't react and the
linesman called the ref over. There was no way it was a mistake to send him
off and I don't think that Rowbottom can be blamed considering he was acting
on the advice of his linesman.
oft
ronnie.the.tim
> ....not a single mention by the referee watchers of these newsgroups of
yet
> another shocking performance by Sean Rowbotham, when (yet again) he hands
> the game on a plate to Celtic
I thought the strong performance of the Celtic team won the points but there
you go...
> bookings and penalties that never were,
In particular the ludicrous booking of Larsson near the end. The first half
penalty claim was also very strong so I guess you're not wrong there either;
it should have been 3-0.
>the
> game allowed to continue in what every observer described as farcical and
> unplayable conditions... why?..because Celtic were 1-0 up and he bottled
> abandoning the game?..nah..that would be paranoid....tell you what, lhads,
> since I've been keeping a wee record of controversial decisions favouring
or
> penalising Celtic it's been very instructive...it instructs me that your
> whining abour refereeing bias is pure mince..
Seems that it's you that's doing most of the whining about refereeing here
paps.
--
Ronnie the Tim
Papa Bear
"ronnie.the.tim" <ronnie....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Papa Bear" <Papa...@igloo.com> wrote in message
>>....tell you what, lhads,
> > since I've been keeping a wee record of controversial decisions
favouring
> or
> > penalising Celtic it's been very instructive...it instructs me that your
> > whining abour refereeing bias is pure mince..
>
> Seems that it's you that's doing most of the whining about refereeing here
> paps.
> --
> Ronnie the Tim
Behold! The Return of the Tim Meister....you get parole?...
....just thought I'd try the boot on the other foot, see how it
fitted....all as part of my Educate the Tims campaign that I announced at
the beginning of the season, you understand...
pb
Old Father Tim
Papa Bear wrote ...
> ....just thought I'd try the boot on the other foot, see how it
> fitted....all as part of my Educate the Tims campaign that I announced at
> the beginning of the season, you understand...
>
oft
RossM
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> So our luck evened itself out over the 90 minutes - why all the fuss then?
>
> ZB.
>
No fuss Zebedee it just that us Rangers fans are getting jealous that Celtic
are getting all the favourable decisions from the ref that we once had.
RossM
Papa Bear
.or could it be..and here's a stab in the dark....that since we've been
paying attention to refereeing decisions vis-a-vis Celtic we see that they
get, as they always have, more than their fair share of decisions?
pb
RossM
> .or could it be..and here's a stab in the dark....that since we've been
> paying attention to refereeing decisions vis-a-vis Celtic we see that they
> get, as they always have, more than their fair share of decisions?
>
> pb
>
>
Well of course they get the same amount of decisions Rangers do PB they
always have, you know it, I know it and all Rangers fans know it.
Celtic fans for years with their penchant for wanting to escape reality have
completely ignored the fact that they got the same amount of decisions
because they never wanted to admit that Rangers were playing better than
them at the time and thus were top of the league.
This was because they were narrow minded and did not want to see the
failings in their team, now why we should we as Rangers fans go the same way
and take an unrealistic view of whether refs are fair or not.
RossM
Papa Bear
>
> "Papa Bear" <Papa...@igloo.com> wrote in message
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> > paying attention to refereeing decisions vis-a-vis Celtic we see that
they
> > get, as they always have, more than their fair share of decisions?
> >
> > pb
> >
> >
>
> always have, you know it, I know it and all Rangers fans know it.
>
> Celtic fans for years with their penchant for wanting to escape reality
have
> completely ignored the fact that they got the same amount of decisions
> because they never wanted to admit that Rangers were playing better than
> them at the time and thus were top of the league.
...y'know, m'boy..I think you may have a point there...hmmm..now that I come
to think of it, there does seem to be a direct relationship between their
league position and their lack of whinging....could it be that only losers
complain?....or has the masonic conspiracy suddenly been suspended for this
season?...difficult to say, really ;)
pb
Andy Mulhern
wrote:
>...y'know, m'boy..I think you may have a point there...hmmm..now that I come
>to think of it, there does seem to be a direct relationship between their
>league position and their lack of whinging.
Whereas, pb, YOUR whinging is utterly consistent (and constant). ;)
Tameside Emerald CSC
Papa Bear <Papa...@igloo.com> wrote in message
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| paying attention to refereeing decisions vis-a-vis Celtic we see that they
| get, as they always have, more than their fair share of decisions?
|
| pb
Or could it be that this season we have been getting a fair crack of the
whip, hence the 12 point gap between us and TFOD?
Willie.
RossM
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> Or could it be that this season we have been getting a fair crack of the
> whip, hence the 12 point gap between us and TFOD?
>
> Willie.
>
>
As I said you have always had fair crack of the whip it was just all you
soapdodgers were too cowardly to admit to yourselves that your team was
shite and still is.
RossM
Papa Bear
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>
> news:wG7I5.1988$Rk5....@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> | paying attention to refereeing decisions vis-a-vis Celtic we see that
they
> | get, as they always have, more than their fair share of decisions?
> |
> | pb
>
>
> whip, hence the 12 point gap between us and TFOD?
>
> Willie.
..and why William would *they* suddenly decide to give you a fair crack of
the whip this season?
..is it your anniversary?..or was the humiliation against Inverness Caley
the point at which it was no longer possible for Celtic to become any more
ridiculous....or did they think that a 21 point championship winning was
just too much?
pb
Old Father Tim
>
> "Tameside Emerald CSC" <em...@nospam.com.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> > Papa Bear <Papa...@igloo.com> wrote in message
> > news:wG7I5.1988$Rk5....@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...
been
> > | paying attention to refereeing decisions vis-a-vis Celtic we see that
> they
> > | get, as they always have, more than their fair share of decisions?
> > |
> > | pb
> >
> >
> > whip, hence the 12 point gap between us and TFOD?
> >
> > Willie.
>
> ..and why William would *they* suddenly decide to give you a fair crack of
> the whip this season?
> ..is it your anniversary?..or was the humiliation against Inverness Caley
> the point at which it was no longer possible for Celtic to become any more
> ridiculous....or did they think that a 21 point championship winning was
> just too much?
>
outgoing CEO?
oft
Papa Bear
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>
> Papa Bear <Papa...@igloo.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Tameside Emerald CSC" <em...@nospam.com.uk> wrote in message
> > news:vNoI5.3477$p03.4...@nnrp4.clara.net...
> > >
> > > Papa Bear <Papa...@igloo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:wG7I5.1988$Rk5....@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> been
> > > | paying attention to refereeing decisions vis-a-vis Celtic we see
that
> > they
> > > | get, as they always have, more than their fair share of decisions?
> > > |
> > > | pb
> > >
> > >
the
> > > whip, hence the 12 point gap between us and TFOD?
> > >
> > > Willie.
> >
> > ..and why William would *they* suddenly decide to give you a fair crack
of
> > the whip this season?
> > ..is it your anniversary?..or was the humiliation against Inverness
Caley
> > the point at which it was no longer possible for Celtic to become any
more
> > ridiculous....or did they think that a 21 point championship winning
was
> > just too much?
> >
> Or perhaps it was the threat of their body language being exposed by our
> outgoing CEO?
>
> oft
...what? Celtic try to intimidate officials? never!....perish the
thought....although the less charitable amongst us could make a case for
their being a campaign mounted by the club, characterised by the coin in one
hand and the psychologists report in the other..
pb
Old Father Tim
Papa Bear wrote ...
> "Old Father Tim" <the.eg...@the.end.of.tim> wrote in message
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> > outgoing CEO?
> >
> > oft
>
> ...what? Celtic try to intimidate officials? never!....perish the
> thought....
Exposing the truth is now classed as intimidation? Surely not? And the truth
shall set you free at the top of the league...
oft
Papa Bear
"Old Father Tim" <the.eg...@the.end.of.tim> wrote in message
and which particular 'truth' did the psychologists report 'expose'?...did it
expose any bias?..ehh no...did it expose any erroneous application of the
laws of the game...ehhh no...did it expose Dallas' appreciation for the
finely honed works of the human physique that are Giovanni van Bronckhorst's
buttocks?..yes...and let's face it, who among us hasn't wanted at some time
to pat Gio's bum? ...;)
pb
Old Father Tim
and then heaven only knows where it'll end...
oft
stuart graham
wrote:
>
>"Old Father Tim" <the.eg...@the.end.of.tim> wrote in message
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>>
>> Papa Bear wrote ...
>> > "Old Father Tim" <the.eg...@the.end.of.tim> wrote in message
>> > news:jhZI5.8116$bL1.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
>> > > Or perhaps it was the threat of their body language being exposed by
>our
>> > > outgoing CEO?
>> > >
>> > > oft
>> >
>> > ...what? Celtic try to intimidate officials? never!....perish the
>> > thought....
>>
>> Exposing the truth is now classed as intimidation? Surely not? And the
>truth
>> shall set you free at the top of the league...
>>
>> oft
>
>and which particular 'truth' did the psychologists report 'expose'?...did it
>expose any bias?..ehh no...did it expose any erroneous application of the
>laws of the game...ehhh no...did it expose Dallas' appreciation for the
>finely honed works of the human physique that are Giovanni van Bronckhorst's
>buttocks?..yes...and let's face it, who among us hasn't wanted at some time
>to pat Gio's bum? ...;)
Interestingly Hugh Dallas is down to referee this weekends 'Well Tims
game. Given the Mr Dallas is a Motherwell supporter it will be
interesting to see how the big decisions go ;)
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Jimbhoy
Papa Bear wrote in message
..did it expose Dallas' appreciation for the
|finely honed works of the human physique that are
Giovanni van Bronckhorst's
|buttocks?..yes...and let's face it, who among us
hasn't wanted at some time
|to pat Gio's bum? ...;)
|
|pb
Jeezuzzz! I think you're in there, Jenny !
Jimbhoy
19.10.57
Andy Mulhern
wrote:
>and which particular 'truth' did the psychologists report 'expose'?...did it
>expose any bias?..ehh no...did it expose any erroneous application of the
>laws of the game...ehhh no...did it expose Dallas' appreciation for the
>finely honed works of the human physique that are Giovanni van Bronckhorst's
>buttocks?..yes...and let's face it, who among us hasn't wanted at some time
>to pat Gio's bum? ...;)
Suddenly it all becomes clear.... ;)