Re: OT Clifford Olson
justme
I can't read articles about him and I can't look at his face.
"Deborah" <bcd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have been rubbed the wrong way by a lot of people telling me that
> Olson, (most recently in the news for his OAP and GIS income),
I get so angry even seeing his name. I lived through his terror. I remember
the news, my mother's warnings, having to stop hitchhiking ( which was quite
safe where we were), walking in groups and never alone. I remember when a
car slowed down near us how we wondered if it was the killer.
I read the headlines about his parole or his pension, and all I want to do
is torture him, over and over and over.
There are times I wish we had the death penalty.
Lori
*so there*
Floats in Water
"justme" <uh...@nicetry.com> wrote in message
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I was in a band with a guy who was one of his guards and he said the best
thing to do is never speak about him, because he's miserable. The only time
he's happy is when he's in the papers and when people come by to interview
him.
Unknown
>I have been rubbed the wrong way by a lot of people telling me that
>Olson, (most recently in the news for his OAP and GIS income), has
>been convicted of "consecutive life sentences". I understand where
>they are coming from, now that I've read the news reports. Seems like
>every reporter out there is under the impression that Canada has
>consecutive life sentences for serial killers.
>
>I'm wondering how many people here are under the same misconception.
>
>Olson is serving 10 life sentences concurently, not consecutively.
>That is because at the time he was sentenced it was the only option.
>He was eligible for parole 25 years later and applied for it in 2006.
>He was, of course, denied parole.
>
>Since he was sentenced Parliament has twice tried to pass a
>sonsecutive life sentence provision for serial killers - so far,
>without success. Far as I know, Harper's own attempt died when he
>prorogued Parliament, and hasn't been heard of since.
>
>The theory originally was that a person has only one life (i.e. would
>have to have consecutive lives for consecutive life sentences to be
>meaningful). But now that we have serial killers popping up here and
>there, we're understandably not happy that they are eligible for
>parole in 25 years. That's why we have the "dangerous offender"
>provision which keeps people in prison "indefinitely". Unfortunately,
>it is not retroactive. It was passed in time to get Paul Bernardo,
>but not in time to get Olson.
>
>Just so you know.
>
>Deborah
Just read this in my local newspaper.
http://www2.canada.com/mapleridgetimes/news/story.html?id=ca1af664-2e56-460d-a0f6-7c6ac2dd0177
Eric©
I was 18 at the time so maybe a little too old to be worried, but at
that age you hang out with everyone, often with younger girls (and
guys).
I don't remember anyone ever worrying that there was a serial killer on
the loose. I DO remember that anything our parents told us was
anathema. At least in Lynn Valley.
Fact is, the Olson case was so unusual that no one considered this the
work of a serial killer. Even the police didn't - until they paid Olson
to fess up to the other killings.
If you were 12 years old and hitchhiking - maybe you shouldn't have been
anyway. I dunno - I also think that with that case Vancouver lost a
huge amount of its innocence.
Eric
justme
"EricŠ" <Er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
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>
> I was 18 at the time so maybe a little too old to be worried, but at
> that age you hang out with everyone, often with younger girls (and
> guys).
>
> I don't remember anyone ever worrying that there was a serial killer on
> the loose. I DO remember that anything our parents told us was
> anathema. At least in Lynn Valley.
You were an 18 yr old guy who was indestructible; but it wasn't just me
that was scared.
> Fact is, the Olson case was so unusual that no one considered this the
> work of a serial killer. Even the police didn't - until they paid Olson
> to fess up to the other killings.
Nope, just kids going missing and turning up dead.
>
> If you were 12 years old and hitchhiking - maybe you shouldn't have been
> anyway.
It wasn't the big city, everyone hitchhiked. No buses, no license, you
hitchhiked; and I wasn't 12. Up until that ass, it was safe.
And thanks, Dad, I promise I won't any more.
I dunno - I also think that with that case Vancouver lost a
> huge amount of its innocence.
Maybe you should think about the fact that he was caught in Port Alberni,
frequented the Sunshine Coast, and killed on the Sunshine Coast , it
wasn't just Vancouver. Murders didn't happen in small towns, that happened
in the city, so a lot of BC lost it's innocence.
Lori
>
> Eric
>
>
foamy
"justme" <uh...@nicetry.com> wrote:
>Maybe you should think about the fact that he was caught in Port Alberni,
>frequented the Sunshine Coast, and killed on the Sunshine Coast , it
>wasn't just Vancouver. Murders didn't happen in small towns, that happened
>in the city, so a lot of BC lost it's innocence.
>
>Lori
I was in California in May, June, July and August of 1981 and didn't hear
anything about Terry Fox's death or even know anything about all the
kids being killed or who Olsen was, until I returned.
It must have been terrible for people who experienced what went on,
on a daily basis.
Jim
Unknown
I'd have no problem being the hangman for Olson.
kim
Was a classmate of one of the victims - Raymond King. Not a friend,
but a classroom acquaintance. Nice kid and was such a shame for all
the families.
Kim
dean
> justme wrote ...
>
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> > I can't read articles about him and I can't look at his face.
> > "Deborah" <bcd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:3muqq5lucmv0ti8c3...@4ax.com...
> > >I have been rubbed the wrong way by a lot of people telling me that
> > > Olson, (most recently in the news for his OAP and GIS income),
>
> > I get so angry even seeing his name. I lived through his terror. I remember
> > the news, my mother's warnings, having to stop hitchhiking ( which was quite
> > safe where we were), walking in groups and never alone. I remember when a
> > car slowed down near us how we wondered if it was the killer.
> > I read the headlines about his parole or his pension, and all I want to do
> > is torture him, over and over and over.
> > There are times I wish we had the death penalty.
>
> > Lori
> > *so there*
>
> If you were 12 years old and hitchhiking - maybe you shouldn't have been
> anyway.
....I really hope your not implying that "12 year olds
hitchhiking"....are somehow responsible for their own deaths?....this
sentence struck a chord with me for personal reasons...I've read
letters to the editor from people that sometimes hold this viewpoint
and their idiots in my book....whether it's hitchhiking or walking
late at night on dark streets...sex trade workers...whatever..
....no one deserves to die at the hands of a POS like Olson for doing
something that if they were a little older and wiser they wouldn;t
normally do......
...apologies in advance Eric If I've jumped to a partial conclusion
here.....and your correct when you say 12 year olds shouldn;t be
hitchhicking...
dean
foamy
kim <k...@home.com> wrote:
>Was a classmate of one of the victims - Raymond King. Not a friend,
>but a classroom acquaintance. Nice kid and was such a shame for all
>the families.
>Kim
Geez, yep. From a selfish perspective I'm glad I wasn't in the middle
of the emotion as it happened.
Jim
dean
> them to the "jobsite". He found hitchhikers an easier catch, but he
> picked kids up wherever he could. They were not all hitchhiking.
> At least two of them used bicycles for transportation and never
> hitchhiked.
>
> Deborah
...and your point is?
dean
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:48:05 -0700 (PDT), dean <jmswann...@yahoo.ca>
> minimize the risk, but you can't eliminate it.
>
> Deborah
...well said...
....I feel bad for the kids of today....Olson and his kind have robbed
them of their childhood....all 4 of mine it was pumped into their
little heads from a very young age to be aware of predators....limited
to whne and where they could play....not to trust adults they didn;t
know...pisses me off...I sometimes wonder how it affects their
minds.......I don;t rmember any of those lectures from my parents when
I was a child...I was told to trust adults...that if there was trouble
to go and seek an adult out...we played after school and knew it was
time to go home when it started getting dark....we actually WALKED to
school......
...everything changed after Olson...
dean
Eric©
> > If you were 12 years old and hitchhiking - maybe you shouldn't have been
> > anyway.
>
> ....I really hope your not implying that "12 year olds
> hitchhiking"....are somehow responsible for their own deaths?....this
> sentence struck a chord with me for personal reasons...I've read
> letters to the editor from people that sometimes hold this viewpoint
> and their idiots in my book....whether it's hitchhiking or walking
> late at night on dark streets...sex trade workers...whatever..
I meant exactly what I said. Which deaths of 12 year old hitchhikers
are you referring to? I think you're taking my comment out of context.
The context was that at that time there was no "serial killer on the
loose" story from the media or the police, and that at that time people
thought that kind of thing only happened somewhere else.
> ....no one deserves to die at the hands of a POS like Olson for doing
> something that if they were a little older and wiser they wouldn;t
> normally do......
>
> ...apologies in advance Eric If I've jumped to a partial conclusion
> here.....and your correct when you say 12 year olds shouldn;t be
> hitchhicking...
Okay. Mind if I scratch my head awhile, wondering what your point was?
*scratch scratch*
Eric
kim
Nothing wrong with wanting to avoid pain and suffering, Jim. One
thing I will go to my grave never understanding is how people can do
this kind of damage to others and their families.
Kim
dean
Hi Eric....
...I re-read your original post a few more times and I see what you
meant now....at the time the murders started no one really realized
the danger not until Simon Partington at least which was the third or
4 th victim of Olsons'......so no one was telling their kids to be
extra cautious...to be more aware...I didn;t intentionally take your
comment out of context....it just leaped out of your post at me....and
I had a gut reaction and over-reacted....
..I lost someone close to my family in the mid-nineties...it made a
lot of press and at the time there were poeple who were suggesting
that if they had not been in where they were when they were what
happened wouldn;t have..that somehow it was their own fault...or their
parents.....it upset and angered me very much at the time because I
was very much in the middle of the pain, grief and suffering that
happened as a result of it.....as I said it was very personal for
me...the worst experience I've ever dealt with my life....
..I apologize for the misunderstanidng....
best regards
dean
Eric©
>
> "Eric©" <Er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
Why should I think about that? I lived in the Vancouver area at the
time and my post referenced my experience living there at the time -
nothing more.
Who did Olson kill on the Sunshine Coast?
Eric
bob
>Olson's MO was to offer the kids a job at $10 per hr, and then drive
>them to the "jobsite". He found hitchhikers an easier catch, but he
>picked kids up wherever he could. They were not all hitchhiking.
>At least two of them used bicycles for transportation and never
>hitchhiked.
>
>Deborah
olsen gave an old neighbour of mine his business card at 70th and
hudson in vancouver. it was to help him with gardening, iirc?? i don't
remember if he tried to get her to go with him at the time or?? but
she still had the card after he was arrested.
justme
"EricŠ" <Er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
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justme wrote ...
>
Why should I think about that? I lived in the Vancouver area at the
time and my post referenced my experience living there at the time -
nothing more.
In response to my post, you stated that living in Lynn Valley you were not
scared.
Then in closing you said Vancouver lost it's innocence.
I was trying to broaden your understanding of other areas that weren't the
'big city'. When I was growing up, Vancouver was where you locked your car
doors, looked over your shoulder, and never talked to strangers. There is a
huge difference in growing up in an area where you know most people and
their dog's name, and a city.
A lot of small towns where he did kill or they found bodies: the Fraser
Valley, Gibsons, Whistler, Port Alberni... they were not the big city.
Who did Olson kill on the Sunshine Coast?
Some teenage girl was killed in Gibsons in 1980 or 81. . I have no idea if
he was ever charged for it, I refuse to read about him, he isn't worth the
time. The murder happened in the same time frame and is what caused us to
be so scared; but of course at the time nobody knew who or what was
murdering.
Lori
justme
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:20:49 -0700, "justme" <uh...@nicetry.com> wrote:
>
> There was no one in Whistler.
The body was found.......................
BQ
"Deborah" <bcd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:20:49 -0700, "justme" <uh...@nicetry.com> wrote:
>
>>A lot of small towns where he did kill or they found bodies: the Fraser
>>Valley, Gibsons, Whistler, Port Alberni... they were not the big city.
>>
>>Who did Olson kill on the Sunshine Coast?
>>
>>Some teenage girl was killed in Gibsons in 1980 or 81. . I have no idea if
>>he was ever charged for it, I refuse to read about him, he isn't worth the
>>time. The murder happened in the same time frame and is what caused us to
>>be so scared; but of course at the time nobody knew who or what was
>>murdering.
>
> I've read all about his victims and with one exception, they all lived
> in the lower mainland. The exception was the girl he killed in the
> Sechelt area. It's a town on the Sunshine Coast north of Gibsons.
>
> The two girls he attempted to abduct when he got detained by the
> police in Pt. Alberni - they escaped. That's how he got caught.
>
> There was no one in Whistler.
There was:
Louise Chartrand,victim
After meeting with the police earlier in the day, that evening Olson went to
meet his lawyer, Bob Shatz. On the way, he spotted 17-year-old Louise
Chartrand, who was described as "very tiny and young-looking for her age."
The youngest of seven children, she had migrated from Quebec with three of
her sisters, settling in the Fraser Valley town of Maple Ridge, about 20
miles east of Vancouver.
In reconstructing the events, the police believed that Louise hitchhiked
part of the way to her night-shift waitress job with a man. After she was
dropped off, she headed for the store in downtown Mission to buy cigarettes.
It was only a 10-minute walk from the restaurant where she worked. During
this time Olson got her into his car, drugged her, and headed to Whistler.
On the way, he even stopped with Chartrand in his car at the Squamish RCMP
detachment to pick up a confiscated gun, but was turned away because the
officer in charge of court exhibits was not available. Then, Olson headed
for the treacherous Killer Highway, named by the locals because of the
numerous fatal car crashes that followed the snow. It led to Whistler,
another 45 minutes from Squamish.
source:
http://www.allserialkillers.com/clifford_olson_victims.htm>
BQ
"Deborah" <bcd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:20:49 -0700, "justme" <uh...@nicetry.com> wrote:
>
>>A lot of small towns where he did kill or they found bodies: the Fraser
>>Valley, Gibsons, Whistler, Port Alberni... they were not the big city.
>>
>>Who did Olson kill on the Sunshine Coast?
>>
>>Some teenage girl was killed in Gibsons in 1980 or 81. . I have no idea if
>>he was ever charged for it, I refuse to read about him, he isn't worth the
>>time. The murder happened in the same time frame and is what caused us to
>>be so scared; but of course at the time nobody knew who or what was
>>murdering.
>
> I've read all about his victims and with one exception, they all lived
> in the lower mainland. The exception was the girl he killed in the
> Sechelt area. It's a town on the Sunshine Coast north of Gibsons.
>
> The two girls he attempted to abduct when he got detained by the
> police in Pt. Alberni - they escaped. That's how he got caught.
>
> There was no one in Whistler.
And yet another one - do your own fucking research Deb before you slam a
longtime poster who knows her stuff. *note, second to last sentence**
The Beast of B.C.
"The beast can take over to complete an identity if you leave a hole in
yourself. In other words, it seeks a vacuum. In a healthy person the vacuum
doesn't exist. There's a sense of identity that prevents a need for the dark
awareness."
- A homicide offender describes his experience of the development of this
dark side of the human psyche
Children are easy prey. Well aware of this, Clifford Olson took advantage of
their innocence. He later told police that he quickly figured out that
teenagers were alike, that they will tell you just about anything if you
look and talk like you were interested in hiring them. Most were eager to
get a job. Being the classic hardened "con" enabled him to control many
situations. The confidence game gave him the opportunity to shield his real
motives. He was used to getting his way, one way or another.
He appeared pleasant, friendly, even charming, openly approaching the
children. However, his goal, far from friendly, was to gain their confidence
until he was in a position to overcome any resistance.
"Olson picks up the kids and offers them a job," said Cpl. Les Forsythe,
Burnaby RCMP. "He tells them he's a construction contractor and takes them
to building sites to show them the jobs. That's the line. He gets their
confidence-and remember he's good at that. He's shrewd. He's not dumb. He's
not a bad-looking individual. He could be somebody's dad. These kids would
follow along and he'd offer them drugs, or a drink, or a beer. This is after
he's felt them out and knows that he can probably do it with a degree of
safety."
Robert Shantz, who would serve as Olson's defense lawyer for the child
slayings, intended to show that his client had adopted Marcoux' personality.
Some evidence supported this theory:
· Olson left five children in the same Weaver
Lake-Mission area that Marcoux used for his victim.
· One of the children was found close to where Marcoux's
victim, Jeanna Doove, died.
· Olson used the same type of ruse to pick up some of
his victims.
· Olson killed one of the victims at Whistler, connected
to Weaver Lake by the back road Marcoux had mapped.
· Like Marcoux, Olson used strangulation to dispatch
some of his victims.
BQ
"justme" <uh...@nicetry.com> wrote in message
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No worries Lori, you are right Deb is wrong. All it took was typing
Clifford Olson - Whistler and the truth was there.
BQ
"Deborah" <bcd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> This is a direct quote from you:
>
> " I refuse to read about him, he isn't worth the
> time. "
>
> So pardon me if I think you are less than fully informed. There may
> have been a body found in Whistler, but it wasn't one of Olson's
> victims.
She refuses to read about him now, but my god woman she knew all about him
growing up. What part don't you comprehend???
justme
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:01:55 -0700, "BQ" <ldho...@shaw.ca> wrote:
I may have been wrong about where the body was found.
> I wasn't wrong about where she got picked up. She wasn't picked up in
> Whistler.
And for what it's worth, this is what I wrote:
A lot of small towns where he did kill or they found bodies: the Fraser
Valley, Gibsons, Whistler, Port Alberni... they were not the big city.
Now , too much time spent on this, I am done.
May all the families of that shit find peace some day that he is finally
dead.
Lori
foamy
Deborah <bcd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I'll drink to that. But he wasn't the one who brought himself to the
>attention of the public this time. I'm not sure who it was who first
>raised the issue of his pension income with the media.
>
>Deborah
Duh. This is friggin' nuts. He's going to go to the media and say,
' what the friggin' hell is a convicted serial kid killer like me being
able to collect pension cheques in prison ? '
What the hell are you talking about ?
Jim
IL
: On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:34:34 GMT, bomb...@sulet.net (foamy) wrote:
:
: If you don't know the answer as to who brought it up with the media
: perhaps you shouldn't try to make me look stupid?
I don't think he needs to try...
Eric©
*Yeesh* You guys are way too polite after you cast false aspersions.
Stop it. I'm used to the 'other groups'. If you don't start insulting
me soon I may have to go back to lurking.
Eric
Eric©
>
> "Eric©" <Er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
Olson didn't kill anyone on the Sunshine Coast. If he had he would've
admitted it, as he was being paid an awful lot of money by the RCMP per
victim.
You've claimed that Olson traveled the Sunshine Coast - well back that
up.
Where did Olson kill at Whistler? Where did they find bodies there?
Olson didn't kill anyone at Port Alberni either.
I don't like what you're doing here. You're trying to paint yourself as
a victim of Olson. You're not. You keep lying and by doing that you
make yourself look like a creep and a vampire.
Eric
BQ
"Eric©" <Er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
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Louise Simonne Marie Evelyn Chartrand - Chartrand was seventeen when she was
murdered on July 30, 1981 near Whistler B.C. The deceased was picked up
walking to work in Maple Ridge B.C. and driven to the Whistler area where
she was murdered by repeated hammer blows to the head. Her decomposed body
was found with evidence of massive skull fractures.
dean
...In my original reply I figured that was insult enough..because
their are people out there who blame the victim and in my opinion they
don;t have much more soul than the killers....I jumped to the possible
conclusion you were one of them....you deserved an apology and
explanation for that....
...and of course we're a pretty friendly bunch around here as well,,,,
dean
dean
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 07:28:44 GMT, Eric© <E...@hardknocks.edu> wrote:
> >Olson didn't kill anyone on the Sunshine Coast. If he had he would've
> >admitted it, as he was being paid an awful lot of money by the RCMP per
> >victim.
>
> >You've claimed that Olson traveled the Sunshine Coast - well back that
> >up.
>
> his cousin, who had never left his parents' home in Davis Bay, though
> he was in his 40's when I met him. Couldn't get him to talk about
> Olson much. Quite understandably.
>
> Marnie Jamieson of Sechelt turned up dead in 1980. She was not one of
> the victims Olson took responsibility for, in his confession. I can't
> fathom why he wouldn't have confessed to the whole lot, but her case
> remains unsolved, AFAIK.
>
> Another unsolved murder I personally have always wondered about was
> the murder of Chistie Fowley, last seen getting off a bus in the
> Colwood/Langford area just on the outskirts of Victoria. She was
> about the right age for Olson, was a street kid that got involved with
> the Mustard Seed Cafe in Victoria and had been straightening herself
> out, when she went missing. She turned up dead off of a logging road
> not too far from where she'd gotten off the bus, a few days later.
>
> That case also remains unsolved.
>
> But if there'd ever been an Olson murder in Gibsons I'm sure I would
> have heard about it by now. I've lived here for over 12 years.
>
> Deborah
...as aside to the whole olson epsiode....
...my business lawyer was Robert Shantz partner at the time of the
muders....he told me this story a few years ago...so I may not have
all the details right...basically went like this...
...Olson was a long time client of theirs...shantz had defended him on
earlier charges....it paid well as Olson was always in trouble of some
sort or the other...so when the indictments came down on the first of
the killings they had a look and the evidence was very thin...in their
opinion the crown didn;t have much of a case..so they took it on...the
rcmp really didn;t have much....
...at the prelim during proceedings as the cases were being presented
to decide if their was going to be a trial.....Olson stood up and
said..."fuck it Shantzie...lets skip this bullshit...I killed them
all...and more"....this was the beginning of the cash for bodies deal
that was struck and I don;t beleive this exchange has ever been
contained in any literaturwe I have read about the case...
...after that they were stcuk with him as the lawyers of record...in
the end the notiriety destroyed their law prcatice and they parted
company soon after...to this day my guy though his office doesn;t
practice criminal law has lost work due to his connection with the
Olson case.... Shantz still practices criminal law in the MR area....
dean
justme
"EricŠ" <Er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
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justme wrote ...
I answered to you then I thought, you know, let's see if I was way of base,
everything I wrote so far was from memory, so I looked it up, I done read
and got knowledge...
YOU:Olson didn't kill anyone on the Sunshine Coast.
ME: There was a girl killed in Gibsons, same time frame. Was it him? Who
knows, I don't. First murder that we heard of, first time we were warned to
be careful.
YOU: If he had he would've
admitted it, as he was being paid an awful lot of money by the RCMP per
victim.
ME:Yah, I don't believe he fessed up to all that he did and that is really
naive on your part.
YOU:You've claimed that Olson traveled the Sunshine Coast - well back that
up.
ME:There was a murder there at the same time as the others.
THE FACTS AFTER READING: Another slaying which the R.C.M.P. said had the
stamp of Olson was that of Mary Ellen Jamieson who disappeared on August
7th, 1980 on the beautiful Sunshine Coast just north of Vancouver city. The
pretty, blue eyed, blonde was last seen hitch-hiking on Highway 101 at Davis
Bay on Vancouver Island. Mary was on her way home after having dinner with
her boyfriend, 18 year old Adrian Dixon in Sechelt. She was hitch-hiking
because there was no bus service and her only alternative would be a $15.00
cab fare or ride with family or friends. Her family knew something was
terribly wrong when she did not return home by 11p.m. Her body was found
nine days later by three family friends off a logging road near the bay,
about 12 miles from her home. R.C.M.P. and searchers had been down the road
before and there was nothing that could be seen from a car. But a 17 year
old named Todd Redman had a feeling this was the spot. They stopped the car
and he grabbed a shovel and started digging in the gravel alongside the
road. Even though there were no signs that the ground had been disturbed,
the youth was convinced that Marney was there. She was lying fully clothed
with bruise marks around her neck where she had been strangled. Clifford
Olson knew the Vancouver area like the back of his hand and threeof his
known victims had been strangled. He also liked to leave his victims like
Marney on backroads
Good enough for you? You don't get it, do you? I knew there was a murder at
the start of all this, whether Olson was charged or not for it did not
matter, it was the start of all the murders of way too many children. I
believe he was responsible for this one too and probably many others. So do
many other people and the police.
YOU: Where did Olson kill at Whistler?
ME: I never said he KILLED at Whistler, read the fuckin posts.
YOU; Where did they find bodies there?
ME:They found somebody's body up there, Squamish-Whistler. Don't know which
kid it was.
Now I do, I read!!!!...and I read BQ's answer!
THE FACTS: Louise Simonne Marie Evelyn Chartrand - Chartrand was seventeen
when she was murdered on July 30, 1981 near Whistler B.C. The deceased was
picked up walking to work in Maple Ridge B.C. and driven to the Whistler
area where she was murdered by repeated hammer blows to the head. Her
decomposed body was found with evidence of massive skull fractures
YOU:Olson didn't kill anyone at Port Alberni either.
ME: Nope, that's where they managed to save the one in the car
finally.......that's where they caught the ass.
THE FACTS Olson's crime sprees lasted from November 1980 to August 1981
until he was arrested in Ucluelet in the Vancouver Island area with two
female hitch-hikers in his car.
OH shit, I was wrong, it was Ucluelet and it was TWO girls.
YOU BEING AN ASS: I don't like what you're doing here. You're trying to
paint yourself as
a victim of Olson. You're not.
ME CALLING YOU AN ASS: I never said I was. Never even claimed I was. I can
have memories of what happend though and because of it refuse to read
anything on the assehole, which is what I did state in my first post. You
read what you want to into it, fill your boots. I stated what we went
through, you didn't have the same experience, goody for you. I can also
misjudge what you said and take it that you are being a very unemotional,
inconsiderate monster for it not even registering in your little pea brain.
Do you even understand that I can't even comprehend how a moster like this
can even exist on this planet? How can I be a victim, or think I am, when I
can't? You are such an ass.
YOU: You keep lying and by doing that .
ME: I haven't lied about one frickin thing. What did I lie about? The areas?
Bullshit. He did dump a body up by Whistler. There was a girl killed in G
ibsons at the same time. He was in Port Alberni with a girl in his car.
What Eric? What, did I fuckin lie about. From the start you read much more
into this than was ever necessary.
YOU: you
make yourself look like a creep and a vampire
ME: Maybe that's why I don't grow garlic in my garden...never thought of
that.
ME: I am now thinking that it should be YOU that reads.
ME NOW CALLING YOU A SHIT: So you little shit, I am not as nice as dean is,
if you feel like you need to keep this up, fine but as far as I am
concerned, this topic is over and you sir, can go to fuckin hell. You don't
exist for me anymore.......ah, if it was only that easy in life.
Lori
foamy
>>nine days later by three family friends off a logging road near the bay,
>>about 12 miles from her home. R.C.M.P. and searchers had been down the road
>>before and there was nothing that could be seen from a car. But a 17 year
>>old named Todd Redman had a feeling this was the spot. They stopped the car
>>and he grabbed a shovel and started digging in the gravel alongside the
>>road. Even though there were no signs that the ground had been disturbed,
>>the youth was convinced that Marney was there. She was lying fully clothed
>>with bruise marks around her neck where she had been strangled.
I find this very curious. Did he ever say why he was convinced she was there,
or did the RCMP investigate his whereabouts around the estimated time of
death ?
Jim
justme
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:15:07 -0700, "justme" <uh...@nicetry.com> wrote:
> Davis Bay is a few km from Sechelt - Gibsons is down at the south end
> of the Sunshine Coast, many kms away.
The whold damn road is only 52 miles long, whatever that is in kilometers.
Holy shit. Really Deb, what, 15-20kms? Many? Really? Holy.
Lori
dean
> of the Sunshine Coast, many kms away.
>
>
> Olson had family in Davis Bay, Aunt, Uncle & cousins. I strongly
> suspect him of this murder myself.
>
> But he didn't confess to it. Posiibly because it would really have
> put him in the doghouse with his cousins.
>
> Deborah
Ya think?
...I pretty sure he would have been in the doghouse with the cousins
one way or the other myself...don;t think it would have made much
difference if he fessed' up to the murdered girl on the SC...and why
would he confess?...they had found the girl....there was no reason for
him to confess....wasn;t another 10k in it for him...
dean
dean
me too....
...you probably beat me to Googling his name already...I can;t find
anything...he must have had a good alibi...
tagboy
Actually:
Sechelt > Davis Bay = 4.1 km
Gibsons > Davis Bay = 18.2 km
FWIW
foamy
googlegroups.com>, dean <jmswa...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>me too....
>
>....you probably beat me to Googling his name already...I can;t find
>anything...he must have had a good alibi...
I tried " Olsen " + " Todd Redman " and found some references but the ones I
looked at didn't add anything more than what Lori said.
It does seem strange though. It reminds me of the case in the states of the
little girl, I think her name was Kali [sp?]. The mother is on trial now for
her murder. Her defense was the babysitter took her and moved, so she
couldn't find her.
But a strange aspect of the case was a meter reader who worked in the mother's
neighborhood [ Kali and her mother were staying with her mother and father ]
had phoned in the tip line a couple times when they were searching for the
child's body, that he thought the body would be located at X, close to the
parents home.
The police investigated and found nothing where he said the body would be
found. Sometime later, the police received another call from him, saying he
was working in the neighborhood, needed to pee, and he went in the woods to
relieve himself, and stumbled upon the girls body.
Something weird going on with that. I wonder if the prosecuter is taking the
easy way out, and going after the easy target.
Jim
Jim
justme
"tagboy" <T...@live.com> wrote in message news:op.vac283mf5xj8zq@john...
Do you live there? Just last week we were talking about Halfmoon Bay, my
partner went to a cabin there as a boy, and it's been 17 years since I have
driven the peninsuila. I was just wondering if they had done anything to
the road at all, especially from Ruby Lake to Earls Cove. Stupid bear came
down the hillside there and didn't stop until it hit the car door of my
in-laws. By that time all they could do was say 'look, a bear!"
Lori
dean
>
> However, you don't understand how community-specific rural people are.
> You kill someone in the lower mainland? Who gives a shit? You kill
> someone in our neighbourhood? WE give a shit.
..Well thats just a stupid statement Deborah plain and
simple...missing and murdered kids in the lower mainland we very much
give a shit...just as much as you I'm sure....get your head out of
your rear-end...
>
> And WE are what keeps the cousins from getting the shit kicked out of
> them for being Clifford Olson's cousins, because he killed someone
> from OUR neighbourhood.
..why would you/WE kick the shit out of Olson's cousins?....what did
they do wrong exactly?....
>
> Jesus, have you no experience with rural areas?
...I'm very familair with the SC coast having vacationed there every
hear from about 1992 to 1997....nobody I met there in that time ever
struck me as redneck enough to go "kick the shit" out of any murderers
cousins...it didn;t strike much different than the people in the
valley where I live..a little friendlier...a little more layed
back...but no Billy-bob mentality that I found...mind you I heard from
my wifes parents people are a little different once you get to
Lund...from the looks of the houses in Pender Harbour and Maderia Park
I doubt there eating their young in that neck of the woods either...
dean
>
> I was born and raised in Vancouver - went to Victoria at age 21 -
> stayed there for 16 years - spent 4 more years in Vancouver - then
> landed over here. And I can tell you, there's a really different
> mentality over here. I would far rather be back in Vancouver, but I
> can't move my mother now, and I can't abandon her either.
>
> Deborah
tagboy
Yes. I live in Halfmoon Bay. Since you were here there have been some
road improvements - a few straight stretches with passing lanes and many
corners are less severe. Ruby Lake to Earls Cove is probably much as you
remember it.
dean
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 23:26:41 -0700 (PDT), dean <jmswann...@yahoo.ca>
>
> Deborah
...well vacationing and living in a place are 2 different things if
thats what your saying...still your statement that we don;t give a
shit about the missing and muredered in the big bad city is an
ignorant statement at best....
dean)
dean
> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:54:51 -0700 (PDT), dean <jmswann...@yahoo.ca>
> many people over here are as to what's going on in the rest of the
> world.
>
> And I can assure you this is mainly a blue collar economy.
>
> Most people who left the Coast to get a university education never
> came back. And most people who stayed here never got an education.
>
> There are different groups -old families, transplants, cottagers,
> etcetera.
>
> But I practically choked on what you said about Pender Harbour and
> Madeira Park. Try taking your dog for a walk and realizing you're on
> private property when you're looking down the barrel of a rifle.
>
> That's what it's like up there. The people who live there year round
> - they went there to get away from the world. Isolationists.
>
> You're not going to find that out just looking at the houses as you
> drive by on public roads on your summer vacation.
>
> Deborah
..whatever Deb...
..still ain;t buying your "we don;t give a shit about our missing and
murdered"....as much as you "rednecks" on the SC....its an "asinine"
statement....
dean
jgray
<04ff280a-30a2-417d...@z4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
dean <jmswa...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Grew up in Powell River, drove through the Sechelt area more times than
I can count (and got ticketed on that back road bypass of Gibsons), used
to play Elphinstone in basketball games, etc.--it doesn't strike me as
all that redneck. I never saw any more guns around than I do living in
Victoria, and knew just as many hunters.
Sorry, it ain't deliverance up there, no matter what you think. I will
agree that being related to someone who did something terrible might be
a bit worse in any small town, because everyone knows everyone, but not
because of any big difference in the character of the folks there.
On a different note--I worked for grounds department for the Vancouver
School board early to mid 80s and I remember a couple of the older guys
were certain that the house across the road from one of the westside
elementary schools was where Olsen's family lived (maybe didn't move
there until after his jailing or lived there before?) it wasn't a fancy
place but more like those houses in Kits that are older, typically have
basement suites, have been ripped down over the past few decades to make
room for monster houses.
Any body know if there's a shred of possible truth in that?
dean
> In article
> <04ff280a-30a2-417d-af0e-10d574a98...@z4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
...If you read my last post in context of the thread I'm obviously
being facetious here....Deborah is the one who insists that its
vigilante land up on the SC...not me..
...I think its a wonderful place....i've always enjoyed my vacations
there....
dean
...I
jgray
<a37ce71e-3a39-465f...@o30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
dean <jmswa...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Yep, I knew that--I was agreeing with you. I was responding to the
isolationist comment she made--maybe on Texada island or up the top of
Powell Lake or Egmont or places like that, but it's not the rule for the
Sunshine Coast
dean
...I thought as much.....thanks for clarifying...
..I Remember one of the first years I went up there....about 92 I
think...we were camping at Porpoise Bay and the wife decided she
wanted to go out for dinner...it was about 7pm....We got into Sechelt
about 8 I think...and everything was closed...and I mean
everything..sidewalks rolled up and put away for the night......I
thought it was great!!....such a relaxing place....and the
beaches..wow..not a lot of places you can go to a public beach and
there's maybe 7 other people there....Hell...I used to go to the Trail
Bay Centre just to watch people not hurrying to go anywhere....lol...
...Its changed a lot now...becoming more like the Mainland..Starbucks,
Mcdonalds, Superstore..bah..!!!..but thats the words of a
tourist...you live there year round I'm sure people appreciatte those
places....still a jewel in the crown of the province IMO.....
dean)
...Its changed
Scotty
> Yep, I knew that--I was agreeing with you. I was responding to the
> isolationist comment she made--maybe on Texada island or up the top of
> Powell Lake or Egmont or places like that, but it's not the rule for the
> Sunshine Coast
Mostly hippies, loggers and retirees, from what I remember (I stayed in
Pender Harbour for a year once). It's way more redneckish in the small
towns of the Kootenays.
Scott
jgray
<1c24ed76-70c2-4d6e...@f14g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
dean <jmswa...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
<snipped the conversation history>
>
> ..I Remember one of the first years I went up there....about 92 I
> think...we were camping at Porpoise Bay and the wife decided she
> wanted to go out for dinner...it was about 7pm....We got into Sechelt
> about 8 I think...and everything was closed...and I mean
> everything..sidewalks rolled up and put away for the night......I
> thought it was great!!....such a relaxing place....and the
> beaches..wow..not a lot of places you can go to a public beach and
> there's maybe 7 other people there....Hell...I used to go to the Trail
> Bay Centre just to watch people not hurrying to go anywhere....lol...
>
> ...Its changed a lot now...becoming more like the Mainland..Starbucks,
> Mcdonalds, Superstore..bah..!!!..but thats the words of a
> tourist...you live there year round I'm sure people appreciatte those
> places....still a jewel in the crown of the province IMO.....
>
>
> dean)
>
> ...Its changed
I know what you mean. My parents left Powell River about four years ago
and we don't have as much reason to visit now, but my kids insist on a
trip once per summer. It's great up there then, but I remember finding
it pretty boring from October to April.
It would be great to be able to afford a summer place up there one day.
dean
> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:36:56 -0700, jgray
>
>
>
> <japurpl...@removethishotmail.com> wrote:
> >In article
> ><a37ce71e-3a39-465f-bbf5-03326572c...@o30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> Sechelt Peninsula. It is very isolated up there.
>
> Deborah
...yeah you did...heres yer words...
"That's what it's like up there. The people who live there year round
- they went there to get away from the world. Isolationists."
dean
IL
It's me.
Can I just offer some advice to you and Deb?
We're going to run out of alpha-numeric characters for fuck's sake.
Thanks.
dean
> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:18:02 -0700 (PDT), dean <jmswann...@yahoo.ca>
> think you're an authority on the Sunshine Coast.
>
> Deborah
....where did I profess that?...
.I said I've spent a lot of time there on vacation....I have eyes..I
have ears...I talk to people...I know people who live up there year
round..I have business associates up there..you probably know both of
them..all I said was my observation was it seems like a really nice
frinedly place..with mostly hippes, loggers and retirees as someone
else here metioned..I'd add yuppies to that list as well..I haven;t
seen any buck-tooth banjo players there...nobody has pointed a gun at
me and told me "to git offen there property"..I think thats more
likely to happen in the Kootenays as someone mentioned or hell even in
the LM for that matter....most people seem well educated and quite
normal and civilized that I've met...I've seen a lot of pretty
extravagant homes...obviously there is wealth up there....thats my
observation of the area....2 others here who actually did live there
have pretty much said the same.....I've never really heard of a lot of
crime on my visits there...my ex-wifes cousin lives in Roberts
Creek...he never mentioned bands of armed thugs running around his
neighbourhood....
....but maybe there is a band of bad-asses up there...maybe your the
leader or something...I dunno....biggest fight I ever witnessed was
when Sechelt Council was trying to decide whether or not to allow
Mickey D's to open a restaurant..
...now those guys I would have "run offen the perperty"...yuk...yuk...
dean
dean
..wait a minute!
...my wifes parents lived up there for many years..Keats Island and
then later Sechelt....He did mention there was a lot of "hippie
weirdos and draft dodging assoles" in Roberts Creek.Is that what your
reffering to?....though he never mentioned them as the sort who would
take up arms against anyone as you have.....now HE is a bad
mofo.....neighbour across the street in Sechelt couldn't be convinced
to trim his tree which was blocking his view of the ocean....he took
care of the matter with a jug of antifreeze and and a cordless drill
in the end...
...mind you he's orignally from the interior...where sometimes you
just take things into your own hands...
dean
dean
...yeah I'm done....
....sorry man..its like a watching a train wreck...you know the rest
of the saying...
dean)
Scotty
>
> I moved there in November of 1996. On NY Eve a guy blew his brains
> out with his rifle, and his wife simultaneously took an overdose of
> sleeping pills. It was supposed to be a double suicide, but she
> survived.
>
> He didn't.
>
> During the ensuing months I personally saw a car draped over a cement
> barrier on the edge of Garden Bay Lake . Drunk driver. There was no
> transit service up there, no cabs unless you called them all the way
> up from Sechelt, and very little police presence.
>
> And there was nothing to do up there in the wintertime except go to
> pubs and drink.
>
> I was at the Pender Harbour Hotel at the time when it was owned by an
> older couple from England. A patron of the pub backed out of her
> parking spot and her car was tipping over the stone wall of their
> elevated drive. She had to call BCAA and BCAA was obliged to report
> the incident to the RCMP because it was obviously a drunk driver. The
> owners of the Hotel put the woman in a room upstairs since they didn't
> want to lose their license, for over-serving. The RCMP came, asked
> where the driver was, got told by the owners that she'd left - a
> bold-faced lie. I didn't say a word, because I already knew better
> than to make waves in that area.
>
> I was never happier in my life than I was to get out of that hellhole
> and move to Gibsons.
>
> We had a referendum on the Sunshine Coast, for new recreation
> facilities. The first two times we tried to pass it, Pender Harbour
> shot it down. We finally took Pender Harbour out of the tax base that
> was going to pay for it, left them out of the 3rd referendum and got
> it passed.
>
> They are not community oriented at all up there.
>
> Deborah
>
So, because a couple attempted/committed suicide, and there are some
people who drink and drive in Pender Harbour you think it's a place full
out violent, anti-social drunk-drivers? You can find those stories in
almost any town on the planet. The people in Pender Harbour probably
didn't much like paying for a rec centre that was going to be used by
people in bigger towns farther south, where it would likely be located
(Gibsons or Sechelt).
When I lived there my neighbours consisted of old folks, hippies, and
old hippies. With a few salty old boaters thrown in here and there.
There were a couple of people in Madiera Park that I would be a little
wary of, but for the most part I found the place to be very laid back,
and stunningly beautiful. I've never seen a prettier harbour.
Scott
Scotty
> And I didn't say it was. Pender Harbour is the north end of the
> Sechelt Peninsula. It is very isolated up there.
>
> Deborah
And yet you think they're anti-social for not wanting to pay for your
rec centre.
Scott
Scotty
> referendum, an ice arena in Gibsons, so kids could play hockey, and a
> pool in Sechelt. Both have gyms as well, with all the equipment you'd
> expect to find. It was a necessary improvement given the large number
> of young families who've had to move over here because housing in
> Vancouver was unaffordable for them. Many are commuters still working
> in the Vancouver area.
>
> I have taken a look at both facilities and they are very good. I have
> never used them. But I say "we" had these referendums because "we"
> did. There is no "we" up in Pender Harbour.
>
> Yet you don't think they are isolationists.
>
> All right Scott. Have it your way,
>
> Deborah
Gibsons, Sechelt. Long drive Pender Harbour. Pender Harbour taxpayers
not want pay rec centres Gibsons, Sechelt. Isolated yes, isolationist no.
Scott
jgray
Deborah <bcd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So you weren't even a cottager, just a camper. Yuk Yuk. And you
> think you're an authority on the Sunshine Coast.
>
> Deborah
I've sometimes thought people here are a bit hard on you, then I see
this. Ooh, you lived there ten months so you can belittle other
people's comments.
I have spent time there over a couple of decades and grew up on the
Sunshine Coast. I was hired 20 or so years ago to do a workshop by that
district in Pender Harbour school (and missed a Canucks-Jets playoff
game because of it) and I wouldn't be as rude as to dismiss someone's
observations of where I grew up as you are after your 10 months of
becoming an expert. You watched hockey for at least that long and you
still haven't grasped the finer aspects of it, I've noticed.
The school there was a very nice, modern facility with no bullet holes
in the walls as far as I could see.
Yuk Yuk indeed.
dean
> In article <r3p5r51lbg4sfe7thhapfkd5adsdei2...@4ax.com>,
>
> Deborah <bcd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:18:02 -0700 (PDT), dean <jmswann...@yahoo.ca>
>
> read more »
..ahah!!
...I was not aware that Deborah had only lived on the SC 10
months....I assumed she was a long time resident....well that explains
a lot!.....See Deborah how nice and polite REAL SC people are?..
..Take Mr. Gray here for example....
dean)
Floats in Water
>
> And frankly guys, it tells me a lot about the true value of your
> opinions.
>
> Deborah
Hive mind; that's us to a tee. We never disagree about anyfuckingthing.
IL
news:rl58r5p6asfhfkjov...@4ax.com...
: Sorry that no one is paying adequate attention to what I've said, but
: that's not my problem. I have spoken to many many people who live on
: the Sunshine Coast about my impression of Pender Harbour. I've never
: met anyone who didn't agree.
:
: But it's no surprise to meet someone in this ng who does.
:
: And frankly guys, it tells me a lot about the true value of your
: opinions.
Boy, you sound like you're just plain fed up gosh darn it...
Maybe you should take a bit of a NG sabbatical?
Or 10.
Consecutively.
tagboy
> Sorry that no one is paying adequate attention to what I've said, but
> that's not my problem. I have spoken to many many people who live on
> the Sunshine Coast about my impression of Pender Harbour. I've never
> met anyone who didn't agree.
>
> But it's no surprise to meet someone in this ng who does.
>
> And frankly guys, it tells me a lot about the true value of your
> opinions.
>
I've been here 35 years and I don't agree. But you are right you have
never met me.
Scotty
>> Gibsons, Sechelt. Long drive Pender Harbour. Pender Harbour taxpayers
>> not want pay rec centres Gibsons, Sechelt. Isolated yes, isolationist no.
>>
>> Scott
>
> They didn't want to be the tax base for recreation facilities you can
> bet your ass they've been using. They are far superior facilities to
> the basic 20 meter pool in Pender Harbour now. And open far more of
> the time.
>
> Deborah
Huh?
Scott
Eric©
>
> "Eric©" <Er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
> news:MPG.2619f683...@news.telus.net...
> justme wrote ...
>
> I answered to you then I thought, you know, let's see if I was way of base,
> everything I wrote so far was from memory, so I looked it up, I done read
> and got knowledge...
>
> YOU:Olson didn't kill anyone on the Sunshine Coast.
>
> ME: There was a girl killed in Gibsons, same time frame. Was it him? Who
> knows, I don't. First murder that we heard of, first time we were warned to
> be careful.
Sure - and that's why you were hitchhiking . . .
> YOU: If he had he would've
> admitted it, as he was being paid an awful lot of money by the RCMP per
> victim.
>
> ME:Yah, I don't believe he fessed up to all that he did and that is really
> naive on your part.
Sure - Olson has claimed at various times responsibility for 100
murders. And he was paid $100,000 per body. You can look it up.
>
> YOU:You've claimed that Olson traveled the Sunshine Coast - well back that
> up.
>
>
> ME:There was a murder there at the same time as the others.
>
> THE FACTS AFTER READING: Another slaying which the R.C.M.P. said had the
> stamp of Olson was that of Mary Ellen Jamieson who disappeared on August
> 7th, 1980 on the beautiful Sunshine Coast just north of Vancouver city. The
> pretty, blue eyed, blonde was last seen hitch-hiking on Highway 101 at Davis
> Bay on Vancouver Island. Mary was on her way home after having dinner with
> her boyfriend, 18 year old Adrian Dixon in Sechelt. She was hitch-hiking
> because there was no bus service and her only alternative would be a $15.00
> cab fare or ride with family or friends. Her family knew something was
> terribly wrong when she did not return home by 11p.m. Her body was found
> nine days later by three family friends off a logging road near the bay,
> about 12 miles from her home. R.C.M.P. and searchers had been down the road
> before and there was nothing that could be seen from a car. But a 17 year
> old named Todd Redman had a feeling this was the spot. They stopped the car
> and he grabbed a shovel and started digging in the gravel alongside the
> road. Even though there were no signs that the ground had been disturbed,
> the youth was convinced that Marney was there. She was lying fully clothed
> with bruise marks around her neck where she had been strangled. Clifford
> Olson knew the Vancouver area like the back of his hand and threeof his
> known victims had been strangled. He also liked to leave his victims like
> Marney on backroads
>
> Good enough for you?
Not really. You ripped this from a post by someone called "Sleuth" on
some serial killer-groupie website. It states that Olson knew the
Vancouver area.
So did Gary Ridgeway, or Ted Bundy, for that matter.
> You don't get it, do you?
No. I get it perfectly.
Let's try this instead:
_____________________________________________________________________
"Kevin Joel Sprayson will go to trial on a sexual assault charge on
Tuesday Oct. 26."
http://www.banffcragandcanyon.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?archive=true&e=
2361882
Then:
"Despite evidence that went astray and testimony clouded by alcohol, a
Banff man was found guilty of sexual assault in provincial court Monday,
two weeks after his daylong trial that took place Oct. 26."
http://www.banffcragandcanyon.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?archive=true&e=
2362244
Then:
Convicted sex attacker wins new trial
"New alibi evidence presented by the defence has persuaded the Alberta
Court of Appeal to award a new trial to a man convicted more than two
years ago of raping a 22-year-old woman in Banff."
http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?k=63869&id=d5803da4-
2f3f-43e3-aa78-b8af2a1a441a
Then:
"Mr. Sprayson's appeal was successful and a new trial was ordered. The
Crown ultimately stayed the proceedings against him."
Alias Amelia Sanders
#608, 815 First Street S.W.
Calgary, AB, T2P 1N3
Part of a recent e-mail to me from one of Mr. Sprayson's attorneys. Mr.
Sprayson had spent two years in jail before he was released, yet he
continued to fight his conviction. I don't know Kevin Sprayson, but his
case came to my attention during my 2 1/2 years dealing with a female
stalker who also made false complaints to police.
____________________________________________________________________
At the outset my point was pretty simple. It still is.
You are not a victim of Clifford Olson, yet you seem to be going out of
your way to show that you are. This includes 'making shit up'.
Your mentality is or can be dangerous, as it hurts real people in the
real world, as I've tried to show you, although I'm of course aware that
usenet postings have a way of distancing themselves from reality . . .
I think that your time might be better spent understanding why you do
this, or doing something else entirely. Like I'm about to do now . . .
Take care,
Eric
BQ
"Eric©" <Er...@hardknocks.edu> wrote in message
news:MPG.261e094b8...@news.telus.net...
Other stuff snipped cause why not....
>> At the outset my point was pretty simple. It still is.
>
> You are not a victim of Clifford Olson, yet you seem to be going out of
> your way to show that you are. This includes 'making shit up'.
She never once stated or implied she was a victim of Clifford Olson - way
off base you are. Making stuff up - I think not.
>
> Your mentality is or can be dangerous, as it hurts real people in the
> real world, as I've tried to show you, although I'm of course aware that
> usenet postings have a way of distancing themselves from reality . . .
Having met and living across the street from justme for 17 years, her
mentality is perfectly fine and never once has she or her beliefs hurt
anyone at all. In fact, she's raised 3 terrific children and lives a great
life. You Eric are plain wrong on this issue and it's scarier to me what
you are gleaming from her posts. She has met quite a few of the other ng's
here and while I don't want to drag them into this messy thread, she was
well liked and she isn't the creep you are trying to make her.
I used to enjoy your posts Eric, but these on this topic have been
incredibly mean spirited, it's beneath you.
tagboy
> How would you know I haven't?
>
> Deborah
Oh....I would know.
Scotty
Kinda like crime scene tape around a crack house?
Scott
dean
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:39:19 -0700 (PDT), dean <jmswann...@yahoo.ca>
> lived on the Sunshine Coast since November 1996.
...no I think I was probably mistaken...he hasn;t weighed in here
yet...but the 10 months he was refering to I would think was your time
in Pender Harbour he was referring to....not the SC as a whole....
dean
Floats in Water
You're very disagreeable.
IL
news:1e01d4b7-0342-47d0...@z11g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
...no I think I was probably mistaken...he hasn;t weighed in here
yet...but the 10 months he was refering to I would think was your time
in Pender Harbour he was referring to....not the SC as a whole....
dean
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Dean,
I've asked Deb the same thing but I'm not holding my breath (because it's
hard to do with a bloody, severed tongue)...
Put down the Coors Light and <snip>.
I'm getting carpal tunnel from scrolling.
And as an added bonus you'll probably end up confusing the shit out of Deb,
which should be good for a few more hilarious posts.
IL
: On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 06:09:26 -0700, "BQ" <ldho...@shaw.ca> wrote:
:
<snip> <<<<<<<< See that!!! It's that easy!!
: The tribal mentality is not helpful.
:
Speaking of which, I've just been informed you've been voted off the island.
You really need to work on your breaking ball... cuz it's not working and
this is like batting practice.