More offense?
R Green - WoWsat.com
move away the Jacque Lemaire style of hockey and here was a perfect
opportunity to see more goals scored in a WIDE open All Star game and what
happened? The lowest goal total scored in a long while!
It's official folks... the main reason why we see fewer goals scored in the
NHL are the goalies. Roy was commenting how a goal scored by Guy Lafleur
back then would seem like a great goal, but nowadays it would be a bad goal
let in by goalies with today's pads.
Patrick Roy nailed the donkey's ass when he specifically said that the NHL
should decrease the goalie pad sizes. This is the best alternate way of
making the game more fun again, making economical sense. People can have
great ideas as to how to increase offense, but in the end, it comes to $$$.
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"R Green - WoWsat.com" <[news]@wowsat.com> wrote in message
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I don't know...if you're using the All Star game as an example, I was struck
by how many of the goals were 'ugly' or garbage goals. At least three or
four of them were rebounds around the net or back bounces. Few (relatively
speaking) were scored off the rush. Are we developing players now who seek
out these scoring opportunities? For whatever reason--the goalie equipment
size being one of them--the best way to score goals is to stand at the net
and whack away. DB.
Mario R
Curious timing on Patricks part. "Hmmmmm it just occurred to me, now that
I'm all retired, that my equipment is too big. :-P
>
>
JK
> Patrick Roy nailed the donkey's ass when he specifically said that the NHL
> should decrease the goalie pad sizes.
Roy also said that the NHL should have fewer teams. So if the NHL contracted
which teams would go?
The NHL franchises with the least value are: Edmonton, Buffalo, Calgary,
Ottawa, Vancouver, and Anaheim....
Team League Owner Value
Pittsburgh Penguins NHL Mario Lemieux $137 million
Atlanta Thrashers NHL Atlanta Spirit LLC $134 million
Nashville Predators NHL Craig Leipold $132 million
Carolina Hurricanes NHL Peter Karmanos Jr. $128 million
Florida Panthers NHL Alan Cohen $127 million
Tampa Bay Lightning NHL William Davidson $124 million
Phoenix Coyotes NHL S. Ellman/W. Gretzky $117 million
Anaheim Mighty Ducks NHL Walt Disney Co. $111 million
Vancouver Canucks NHL John McCaw Jr. $110 million
Ottawa Senators NHL Eugene Melnyk $95 million
Calgary Flames NHL Limited Partnership $94 million
Buffalo Sabres NHL NHL $92 million
Edmonton Oilers NHL Edmonton Investors Group $86 million
Manic
"JK" <jkr...@canada.com> wrote in message
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JK
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?page=forbes
Forbes Franchise Values
FORBES FRANCHISE VALUES
Team League Owner Value
Washington Redskins NFL Daniel Snyder $845 million
Dallas Cowboys NFL Jerry Jones $784 million
New York Yankees MLB George Steinbrenner $730 million
Cleveland Browns NFL Randy Lerner $618 million
Carolina Panthers NFL Jerry Richardson $609 million
Baltimore Ravens NFL Art Modell $607 million
Tampa Bay Buccaneers NFL Malcolm Glazer $606 million
Denver Broncos NFL Pat Bowlen $604 million
New England Patriots NFL Robert Kraft $571 million
Pittsburgh Steelers NFL Dan Rooney $555 million
Miami Dolphins NFL Wayne Huizenga $553 million
Tennessee Titans NFL Bud Adams $551 million
St. Louis Rams NFL Georgia Frontiere $544 million
Chicago Bears NFL Virginia McCaskey $540 million
Seattle Seahawks NFL Paul Allen $534 million
Jacksonville Jaguars NFL Wayne Weaver $522 million
Philadelphia Eagles NFL Jeffrey Lurie $518 million
New York Giants NFL W. Mara/P. Tisch $514 million
New York Jets NFL Woody Johnson $512 million
Detroit Lions NFL William Ford $509 million
Cincinnati Bengals NFL Mike Brown $507 million
New York Mets MLB Fred Wilpon $482 million
New Orleans Saints NFL Tom Benson $481 million
Green Bay Packers NFL Public $474 million
San Francisco 49ers NFL Denise DeBartolo York $463 million
Kansas City Chiefs NFL Lamar Hunt $462 million
Buffalo Bills NFL Ralph Wilson $458 million
Los Angeles Lakers NBA Jerry Buss $447 million
San Diego Chargers NFL Alex Spanos $447 million
Los Angeles Dodgers MLB News Corp. $435 million
Boston Red Sox MLB John Henry $426 million
Atlanta Braves MLB AOL/Time Warner $424 million
Oakland Raiders NFL Al Davis $421 million
Indianapolis Colts NFL Jim Irsay $419 million
Atlanta Falcons NFL Arthur Blank $407 million
New York Knicks NBA C. Dolan/J. Dolan $401 million
Arizona Cardinals NFL Bill Bidwell $374 million
Seattle Mariners MLB Hiroshi Yamaguchi $373 million
Cleveland Indians MLB Larry Dolan $360 million
Texas Rangers MLB Tom Hicks $356 million
Chicago Bulls NBA Jerry Reinsdorf $356 million
San Francisco Giants MLB Peter Magowan $355 million
Colorado Rockies MLB Jerry McMorris $347 million
Minnesota Vikings NFL Red McCombs $346 million
Dallas Mavericks NBA Mark Cuban $338 million
Houston Astros MLB Drayton McLane $337 million
Philadelphia 76ers NBA Comcast Corp. $328 million
Baltimore Orioles MLB Peter Angelos $319 million
Boston Celtics NBA W. Grousbeck/S. Pagliuca $290 million
Chicago Cubs MLB Tribune Co. $287 million
Detroit Pistons NBA William Davidson $284 million
San Antonio Spurs NBA Peter Holt $283 million
Phoenix Suns NBA Jerry Colangelo $283 million
Arizona Diamondbacks MLB Jerry Colangelo $280 million
Indiana Pacers NBA H. Simon/M. Simon $280 million
Houston Rockets NBA Les Alexander $278 million
Sacramento Kings NBA G. Maloof/J. Maloof $275 million
Washington Wizards NBA Abe Pollin $274 million
Portland Trail Blazers NBA Paul Allen $272 million
St. Louis Cardinals MLB B. DeWitt/F. Hanser $271 million
Detroit Red Wings NHL Michael Ilitch $266 million
New York Rangers NHL C. Dolan/J. Dolan $263 million
Detroit Tigers MLB Michael Ilitch $262 million
Philadelphia Flyers NHL Comcast Corp. $262 million
Cleveland Cavaliers NBA G. Gund/G. Gund $258 million
Dallas Stars NHL Tom Hicks $254 million
Colorado Avalanche NHL Stanley Kroenke $250 million
Toronto Raptors NBA Maple Leaf Sports & Ent. $249 million
New Jersey Nets NBA Bruce Ratner $244 million
Boston Bruins NHL Jeremy Jacobs $243 million
Pittsburgh Pirates MLB Kevin McClatchy $242 million
Toronto Maple Leafs NHL The Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan $241
million
Utah Jazz NBA Larry Miller $239 million
Milwaukee Brewers MLB Bud Selig Trust $238 million
Miami Heat NBA Micky Arison $236 million
Philadelphia Phillies MLB B. Giles/D. Montgomery $231 million
Minnesota Timberwolves NBA Glen Taylor $230 million
Memphis Grizzlies NBA Michael Heisley $227 million
Chicago White Sox MLB Jerry Reinsdorf $223 million
Chicago Blackhawks NHL Bill Wirtz $218 million
Denver Nuggets NBA Stanley Kroenke $218 million
New Orleans Hornets NBA G. Shinn/R. Wooldridge $216 million
Los Angeles Clippers NBA Donald Sterling $208 million
San Diego Padres MLB John Moores $207 million
Los Angeles Kings NHL P. Anschutz/E. Roski $205 million
Atlanta Hawks NBA Atlanta Spirit LLC $202 million
Cincinnati Reds MLB Carl Lindner $204 million
Orlando Magic NBA Rich DeVos $199 million
Seattle SuperSonics NBA Howard Schultz $196 million
Anaheim Angels MLB Walt Disney Co. $195 million
Golden State Warriors NBA Chris Cohan $188 million
Montreal Canadiens NHL George Gillett Jr. $187 million
Toronto Blue Jays MLB Rogers Communications $182 million
Milwaukee Bucks NBA Herb Kohl $174 million
New Jersey Devils NHL YankeeNets $159 million
San Jose Sharks NHL K. Compton/G. Reyes $158 million
Oakland Athletics MLB S. Schott/K. Hofman $157 million
New York Islanders NHL C. Wang/S. Kumar $156 million
Kansas City Royals MLB David Glass $152 million
Columbus Blue Jackets NHL John McConnell $150 million
St. Louis Blues NHL Bill Laurie $148 million
Tampa Bay Devil Rays MLB Vincent Naimoli $142 million
Washington Capitals NHL Ted Leonsis $140 million
Minnesota Wild NHL Robert Naegele Jr. $139 million
Florida Marlins MLB Jeffrey Loria $137 million
Pittsburgh Penguins NHL Mario Lemieux $137 million
Atlanta Thrashers NHL Atlanta Spirit LLC $134 million
Nashville Predators NHL Craig Leipold $132 million
Carolina Hurricanes NHL Peter Karmanos Jr. $128 million
Minnesota Twins MLB Carl Pohlad $127 million
Florida Panthers NHL Alan Cohen $127 million
Tampa Bay Lightning NHL William Davidson $124 million
Phoenix Coyotes NHL S. Ellman/W. Gretzky $117 million
Anaheim Mighty Ducks NHL Walt Disney Co. $111 million
Vancouver Canucks NHL John McCaw Jr. $110 million
Montreal Expos MLB Major League Baseball $108 million
Manic
> > Source?
>
>
> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?page=forbes
>
That's for the year before last, check out
http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2003/1208/094tab.html
JK
> That's for the year before last, check out
> http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2003/1208/094tab.html
>
Of the lower valued teams I only see Pittsburgh and Buffalo being in
trouble.
Although if the NHL buckles under to the NHLPA the bottom third to half of
the league might be gone.
The next year will be a real turning point for the NHL.
If the NHL can get an NFL type of contract things will really be looking up.
Stash
> > Source?
>
>
> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?page=forbes
>
>
> Forbes Franchise Values
> FORBES FRANCHISE VALUES
The value of the assets of any team are next to nothing.
All the value is in the estimation of what a buyer would
pay, based on expectation of future revenue, including
a subsequent sale.
Doesn't this sound a lot like the dot.com system of
valuing corporations? Future expectations. And
totally without the soundness of, for example, the
expectation of future rental income of a revenue
property. Sport franchise values are purely
mythical. Not convinced? Look at the deep
discount that the Senators were sold for. There
was essentially no value to the franchise itself.
rorytait
: The value of the assets of any team are next to nothing.
: All the value is in the estimation of what a buyer would
: pay, based on expectation of future revenue, including
: a subsequent sale.
: Doesn't this sound a lot like the dot.com system of
: valuing corporations? Future expectations. And
: totally without the soundness of, for example, the
: expectation of future rental income of a revenue
: property. Sport franchise values are purely
: mythical. Not convinced? Look at the deep
: discount that the Senators were sold for. There
: was essentially no value to the franchise itself.
There's essentially no value to most business operations that are based on
entertainment or information, without the talent/brains of the people
running them.
The assets are people, and their percieved market value is based on the
expected return on their talent/intelligence. Pretty much the same for TV,
radio, movies, publishing, etc...
rory
Peca Fan
wrote:
>Curious timing on Patricks part. "Hmmmmm it just occurred to me, now that
>I'm all retired, that my equipment is too big. :-P
Your right, 'cause guys are going to catch up and pass his records in
the future.
But while it is self serving, he is correct. The NHL never should have
made the pads wider than 10 inches. It was totally unnecessary.
--
Peca Fan
"Call me crazy, but I have a thing about drinking from the anus of another creature." - Woody Allen, Antz
Gary L. Dare
>Sport franchise values are purely
>mythical. Not convinced? Look at the deep
>discount that the Senators were sold for. There
>was essentially no value to the franchise itself.
>
>
Ditto the Buffalo Sabres. And Golisano may still have overpaid
since the Rigas family pumped $150 Million of Adelphia money
into that franchise. It wouldn't surprise me when Golisano bails,
we discover all sorts of secret guarantees by New York state,
Erie County and the City of Buffalo.
gld