Potsie UFA Requirements???
larry
I was running through a couple of scenarios in regards to the Karpovstev
situation.
1....would he still be a UFA (he will be 31 with more than 4 years of
experience) when he came back next year even though he sat out a year,
or will he be classified as a "Walkaway Free Agent" as Khristich was?
(although Potsie hasn't walked away from Arbitration)
2....Are the Leafs still "under suspension" or is Karpovstev not invited
to camp?
3....Would the Leafs be compensated if he were picked up on waivers if
he tried to return this season and what will they be compensated with?
4....If the Leafs are deducting 7,000 dollars a day for each day
Karpovstev is away from camp and training camp is 20 days long, will
that $140,000 be deducted from his contract AND is that the "approx.
$100,000" we read thet the Leafs and Gandler are apart on a deal?
5...Are the rumours true that Mike Smith has made a multi-year offer to
Karpovstev?
6...Why must my dog always lick himself when I have female company
over??????
anyways...I am sure someone knows the answers to these questions. I love
hockey but this free agency stuff has my head in a grinder...For
everyones information, here is a free agency "legend" I got from
nhl.com:
LEGEND
WA: The Boston Bruins walked away from Dimitri
Khristich's arbitration
award, making him an unrestricted free agent by
retaining the right to match
any offer greater than 80 percent of the $2.8 million
salary Khristich won in
arbitration. This is the NHL's first "walkaway free
agent" case.
II: Players who have been tendered a qualifying offer
by their respective clubs
and are subject to draft choice compensation and
right to match. Draft choice
compensation scale is based on compensation offered
by the new club:
Offer -- $523,686.87 or below; compensation -- none
Offer -- Over $523,686.87 to $720,069.45;
compensation -- third-round choice
Offer -- Over $720,069.45 to $850,991.17;
compensation -- second-round
choice
Offer -- Over $850,991.17 to $1,047,373.74;
compensation -- first-round choice
Offer -- Over $1,047,373.74 to $1,309,217.18;
compensation -- first-and
third-round choices
Offer -- Over $1,309,217.18 to $1,571,060.62;
compensation -- first-and
second-round choices
Offer -- Over $1,571,060.62 to $1,832,904.05;
compensation -- two first-round
choices
Offer -- Over $1,832,904.05 to $2,225,669.21;
compensation -- two first-round
and one second-round choice
Offer -- Over $2,225,669.21; compensation -- three
first-round choices
Offer -- Each additional $1,309,217.18; compensation
-- one additional
first-round choice to a maximum of five
III: Players who have qualified for Group III Free
Agency (age 31 or older
with at least four years of NHL experience) and are
therefore unrestricted free
agents.
V/II: Potential Group V -- Players who:
have completed 10 pro seasons or more (NHL or
minors, excluding junior
hockey), and
in the 1998-99 season earned less than the League
average salary of
$1,288,974 and
received a timely qualifying offer.
These players have the right to elect once in their
careers to become
unrestricted free agents.
Should one of these players not elect to become an
unrestricted free agent,
since his prior club has tendered him a qualifying
offer he shall remain subject
to draft choice compensation and right to match as
applies to Group II free
agents. They have until July 15, 1999, to elect Group
V status.
Elec. V: Players who:
have completed 10 pro seasons or more (NHL or
minors, excluding junior
hockey), and in the 1998-99 season earned less than
the league average salary of
$1,288,974 and received a timely qualifying offer.
These players have chosen to exercise their
one time right to elect to become an unrestricted
free agent.
VI: Players who qualify for unrestricted free agency,
having met the
requirements for Group VI free agency. These players,
whose contracts have
expired, are age 25 or older, have completed three or
more professional
seasons, and in the case of a player other than a
goaltender have played fewer than 80 NHL
games (regular-season and playoff), or in the case of
a goaltender have played fewer than 28 NHL games
(regular-season and playoff).
UFA: Players who were not tendered a qualifying offer
and are therefore
unrestricted free agents not subject to a right to
match or draft choice
compensation.
*: Players eligible to elect Group V free agency who
did not receive a
qualifying offer.
IV: Players who qualify for Group IV free agency,
having never signed a player
contract and who become free agents after having met
the conditions for a
"defected player" in Section 10.2(b)(i) of the
Collective Bargaining Agreement.
(Source: nhl.com)
Owl
>I was running through a couple of scenarios in regards to the Karpovstev
>situation.
>
>1....would he still be a UFA (he will be 31 with more than 4 years of
>experience) when he came back next year even though he sat out a year,
>or will he be classified as a "Walkaway Free Agent" as Khristich was?
>(although Potsie hasn't walked away from Arbitration)
UFA - age 31. Not under contract.
>2....Are the Leafs still "under suspension" or is Karpovstev not invited
>to camp?
I 'think' the big issue is insurance. Without a contract, there's no
coverage. IIRC, either Ottawa or Montreal got burned on that one a
few years ago. Karpo is not 'under suspension', and the talks between
Gandler and Waters are reported to have been business-like. i.e. no
fatalities have been reported.
>3....Would the Leafs be compensated if he were picked up on waivers if
>he tried to return this season and what will they be compensated with?
Tougher one. Best guess - IF Karpo plays for the Dynamos (or any
other non-NHL team), and the NHL season starts, he has to clear
waivers. If he's picked up on waivers and signed, RFA compensation
rules apply. Two or three first rounders in his pay-bracket
depending on the contract ink.
If he does not play in Europe, he doesn't have to clear waivers. If
he signs with another team, compensation is due. (I'm at a total loss
to figure out why there hasn't been a single rumour out of Gandler
threatening this).
>4....If the Leafs are deducting 7,000 dollars a day for each day
>Karpovstev is away from camp and training camp is 20 days long, will
>that $140,000 be deducted from his contract AND is that the "approx.
>$100,000" we read thet the Leafs and Gandler are apart on a deal?
All that stuff is 'paper chasing'. It's all negotiated and
compromised at ink-time. But you have a great point about 100K apart
- sounds like a 50-50 nudge to me, so why not 'just do it'? Maybe
there's more to it that 100K.
>5...Are the rumours true that Mike Smith has made a multi-year offer to
>Karpovstev?
First I've heard of it. We swirled around in here about the
Karpo/McCabe trade rumours - maybe Chicago's expectations of draft
choices are part of the equation - they'd be sacrificing a fair
selection of potential fast-trackers. They've got problems tho -
McCabe had a crummy first half last year and Boris Mironov reported to
camp in poor condition.
>
>6...Why must my dog always lick himself when I have female company
>over??????
Because he can.
Stavro
would have to clear waivers to play for the Leafs, But if a team picks him
up the Leafs will not get anything for him.
Owl <o...@moonlite.com> wrote in message
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Owl
>Most of what OWL said is good but if he plays in outside North America he
>would have to clear waivers to play for the Leafs, But if a team picks him
>up the Leafs will not get anything for him.
>
Wow! Live and learn or what? I knew about the waiver-clearing
process - but the no-compensation is a shocker. Puts a bit of
crazy-glue on the October 7th deadline. Thanks for the info.
larry
lets hope the situation gets cleared up by the season's start...Karpovstev
may not be our best defenseman but he is solid. If they are only 100,000
apart on a one year deal...you would think they would just do it...
larry
> Most of what OWL said is good but if he plays in outside North America he
> would have to clear waivers to play for the Leafs, But if a team picks him
> up the Leafs will not get anything for him.
That is a scary scenario...
Stavro
larry <legslar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks Owl,
>
> lets hope the situation gets cleared up by the season's start...Karpovstev
> may not be our best defenseman but he is solid. If they are only 100,000
> apart on a one year deal...you would think they would just do it...
>
> Owl wrote:
>
EviL
Stavro
to clear waivers before joining the team
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Owl
>But if he plays outside North America what GM would trade for him if he has
>to clear waivers before joining the team
If he plays outside the NHL after October 7th, I'll declare Leaf
Management brain-dead if they protect him in the waiver draft.
Of somewhat more interest was the Chicago scout lurking around the
Leaf's exhibition game. He sure wasn't there to see Karpo, but I
noticed Korolev played with a showcase variety of linemates. Too bad
Chicago had its brains blown out by St. Louis 4-zip.
Owl
<relton...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>
>Owl wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:13:16 GMT, "Stavro" <ab...@efg.com> wrote:
>>
>> >But if he plays outside North America what GM would trade for him if he has
>> >to clear waivers before joining the team
>>
>> If he plays outside the NHL after October 7th, I'll declare Leaf
>> Management brain-dead if they protect him in the waiver draft.
>>
>
>Anyone know what date the waiver draft is held on?
>
>Rich
I was gonna ask you that very question. Guess I have to go learn the
slow way again ...
Cool. NHL.com has a section called critical dates ...
September 13-15 - American Airlines/NHL Challenge - Stockholm 2000
(Tournament featuring the Vancouver Canucks and Swedish clubs MoDo,
AIK and Djurgarden).
September 14 - Pre-season schedule begins.
September 26 - Trade deadline at 2 p.m., EDT. Trade freeze in effect
through completion of the Waiver Draft on Sept. 29. Each club's
Protected List for Waiver Draft submitted to NHL by 4 p.m., EDT.
September 27 - Each club's Protected and Available List for Waiver
Draft released to media.
September 29 - Waiver Draft - noon, EDT.
September 30 - Deadline for unsigned juniors claimed in fourth or
subsequent rounds of the 2000 Entry Draft and unclaimed unsigned
players to be returned to their junior clubs.
October 3 - Deadline for unsigned juniors claimed in the first three
rounds of the Entry Draft to be returned to their junior clubs.
... hmmmmm, September 30 for the waiver draft ... don't know if you
were headed that way Rich, but it looks like the new game in town is
either Russian Roulette or Hot Potatsev.
Richard Elton
Owl wrote:
>
> On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:13:16 GMT, "Stavro" <ab...@efg.com> wrote:
>
> >But if he plays outside North America what GM would trade for him if he has
> >to clear waivers before joining the team
>
Bill Hendrick
On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Richard Elton wrote:
>
> So unless something gets done soon, we've got a loss on the waiver draft
> front looming, followed by a nightmare as we try to cut our roster. I'm
> hoping that someone's going to respond to this by posting that if a
> player makes it through the waiver draft, they're considered to have
> cleared waivers, even if they only cleared because someone else was
> taken. Until such a post though, I shall continue to fear managements
> seeming lack of desire to solve the waiver problem.
If a player clears the waiver draft then they do not have to clear
waivers for the rest of the season.
There is no limit to the number of players a team can lose in the waiver
draft. In theory a team can lose all their eligible unprotected players.
Owl
>> slow way again ...
>
>something I didn't, which I don't take well, so I wanted to know too!;)
Yea, but think of how much info we're feeding the announcers for the
next exhibition game. I don't know if you caught all the small-talk
and stuff in the first game, but there were spots where it felt like
they were stepping on the graves of threads in this NG. Like before
the game, the very first thing the radio put on was a repeat of the
broadcast of the Philly-Domi 'non-fight'. I started checking the
place for wire-taps.
>Something which now I look at it, I should have looked up long before
>now...but I've been so obsessed with Oct. 7 that <insert excuse here>.
hahahaaa. I went into ballistic-panic mode yesterday when the Star
put the Sports Section backwards so they could put the Olympic
drug-hiding events in front. I'm looking forward to this season's
hockey more than I ever have before.
>It was what I suspected...wouldn't make much sense to have it after the
>season started, but as I said, it sounded like you knew something I
>didn't.
Nope. First time I've paid any attention to the waiver draft ... or
who's scouting the Leafs games ... or who qualifites for some obscure
section of the RFA clause ... or what the ice conditions in St. John's
are ... or, or, or ...
>In all likelihood though, the waiver draft won't be as much of a problem
>for us as waiver's themselves.
Yea, the timing is better for adjusting to a player loss. But
protecting Karpo pushes somebody onto the unprotected list who would
be off it otherwise. That could be a big bite in the behind later.
If Leafs look like they can put together a defence without Karpo, what
about trading him for a draft pick or two?
> As far as Karpovtsev goes, it's been
>implied (with even a quote from Gandler himself IIRC, which is a great
>sign, if he isn't using the threat as leverage) that Karpovtsev isn't
>going to play in Russia past the waiver date, that his priorities are on
>this side of the ocean, even if not definately in Toronto.
Some reporter got to Gandler and asked him about Karpo's salary if he
played for the Dynamos, and Gandler replied that it was irrelevent.
If Karpo played he wouldn't care if he got money or not, but assumed
they would at least pick up his expenses. .... *guffaw*
>So protecting Karpovtsev on September 30th is a must, if we're not going
>to lose him outright.
It 'appears' to be simple. If they're going to protect him, cave in
on the 100k and get him into camp. But they already knew that, didn't
they??
>The unmentioned fact which works for us in this whole dilemma is that we
>can only lose one person in the waiver draft...so we can give a low
>ranked team someone to take someone we don't mind losing, or we can
>trade to get whoever gets taken back (something Detroit has done on an
>almost yearly basis the past few years).
I like the concept. Could you please repost this after the protected
list comes out, and before the draft itself so we don't get 792 posts
from guys ranting on about having protected Domi again when <insert
name of greatest Leaf prospect of this century> was lost in the draft.
Kevyn who?
>The problem I fear, is once the draft is complete, making our final
>roster cuts. IIRC, regardless of the draft, players like McCauley would
>have to clear waivers outright in order to be sent down...something I
>just can't see happening.
I think I read in the Star that the rosters have to be down to 32
after Tuesday. Then there's a list of names that's manageable enough
to proceed with comparitive crucifiction.
>So unless something gets done soon, we've got a loss on the waiver draft
>front looming, followed by a nightmare as we try to cut our roster.
Sort of agree. It's a good problem to have, tho. I'd be a lot more
concerned if it were a few years ago and we were trying to scrape
together a protected list that didn't look like a joke.
>.. I shall continue to fear managements seeming lack of desire to solve the waiver problem.
Don't sweat this one too hard. They'll lose one player and fur will
fly in here for a few days (where is dog-breath these days anyway?),
then we'll all go back to the NG mantra - "Drop the puck, drop the
puck ...".
>PS. You joined the SmallWorld division yet Owl?
Man, I'm outa my depth on that one. Yuze guyz know all the team
rosters and stuff. Post the URL again, and I'll get over for a look.
Owl
>waivers for the rest of the season.
>
>There is no limit to the number of players a team can lose in the waiver
>draft. In theory a team can lose all their eligible unprotected players.
>
In the first round when each team has 20 protected. Do they get a
pick so they can get one of their victims off the unprotected list.
Or is it a feeding frenzy and they have to wait till it's over?
Bill Hendrick
I don't recall how many players you are allowed to protect.
It works something like this:
The expansion teams and the nonplayoff teams pick in reverse order of
finish (I assume the expansion will go first, but I don't know for sure.)
If/when they select someone they must drop a player off their protected
list. Once they have gone through these teams, the draft order starts
back at the top of the list to give these teams a chance to pick up
players dropped from the protected list or to make another selection. So
these teams will have 2 cracks at the draft before the playoff teams start
picking in reverse order of finish. Then it just goes through the whole
order of teams until nobody plucks a player. This is done through a big
phone conference. Many teams don't like to pick up players this way
because it hurts moral. Players see guys busting their butt to earn the
last roster spot only to see it given away to some new guy who is probably
not much better.
Stavro
lost Adams
Richard Elton <relton...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Owl
>
>The expansion teams and the nonplayoff teams pick in reverse order of
>finish (I assume the expansion will go first, but I don't know for sure.)
>
>If/when they select someone they must drop a player off their protected
>list. Once they have gone through these teams, the draft order starts
>back at the top of the list to give these teams a chance to pick up
>players dropped from the protected list or to make another selection. So
>these teams will have 2 cracks at the draft before the playoff teams start
>picking in reverse order of finish. Then it just goes through the whole
>order of teams until nobody plucks a player. This is done through a big
>phone conference. Many teams don't like to pick up players this way
>because it hurts moral. Players see guys busting their butt to earn the
>last roster spot only to see it given away to some new guy who is probably
>not much better.
Thanks Bill. So it's a feeding frenzy till the waiter brings the
bill. BTW, I think you meant morale, but it's more fun to read as
moral. I agree about the slippery slope for someone who gets through
most of the roster cuts and then gets replaced by someone else's outer
limits.
Owl
>Can you provide me with somewhere to check up that making it through the
>waiver draft would clear the player for the whole season? It does ring a
>bell, but I'd like to know for sure.
>
>Rich
Wish I could. There rulebook on NHL.COM doesn't provide anything. I
submitted a question through NHLPA.COM. Maybe they know the answer.
It sounds a little too complex to me, but so does taping one channel
while I watch another channel.
Owl
>sure that issues like Perreault and Karpovtsev are at least tied up if
>not concluded by the waiver draft.
Welll, they were, weren't they. Perreault is signed on the one-year
qualifying offer. Manson was signed partly because they had
notification at the end of last year that Karpo was going to the wall
on the next contract.
> ... I'd prefer to be going in knowing as much had been
>done to make sure we weren't going to lose someone unnecessarily as
>possible.
If I read the roster lineup in tonight's game, Cross suiting up for
the first two games may be part of the analysis.
>Rationally, it's another side-effect downside of a coach-GM. Quinn's the
>most important guy as far as working out roster moves...and he's
>embroiled in one of the most promising training camps this
>orginisation's seen in years. One certainly doesn't want to pull him
>away from working out the opening day rosters from the large quota of
>NHL players, or from seeing what's going to be available on the farm
>this year and in the next few and planning the future from within.
One of my pet-peeves - this dual role. I'm okay with the job Waters
has been doing to cover a lot of the negotiations legwork. I'd feel
more comfortable if there were someone looking at the mid-picture full
time.
>Quinn's a busy man these days, will he have time to make the outside
>moves he probably should?
Nope.
>It turns out to be 2, not one, but regardless, I'll probably end up
>posting and reposting this for the next 3 years, whenever people get
>tired of ranting over Sullivan:)
hahahhaa ... Well, at least we can put the legend of the blue-line
losing goal behind us. Way2Go Danil! Didn't make the Guiness
Records, but it's still a goal.
>That shouldn't provide too much of a problem, it's the eventual cut to
>23 that'll get us. There's a lot of guys there at the moment more
>because of future planning than because they have a bona fide shot this
>year.
For sure. We'll see if Boyes, Farkas, and MacLean stick. If they do,
things get stickier.
>What was Hornby smoking to predict that Don MacLean would make the team
>this year?
Homegrown .... he lives in Panama.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
Richard Elton
Owl wrote:
>
> On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:08:32 +1000, Richard Elton
> <relton...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> I was gonna ask you that very question. Guess I have to go learn the
> slow way again ...
>
You were going to ask me? I asked you because it seemed you knew
something I didn't, which I don't take well, so I wanted to know too!;)
> Cool. NHL.com has a section called critical dates ...
>
Something which now I look at it, I should have looked up long before
now...but I've been so obsessed with Oct. 7 that <insert excuse here>.
> September 13-15 - American Airlines/NHL Challenge - Stockholm 2000
> (Tournament featuring the Vancouver Canucks and Swedish clubs MoDo,
> AIK and Djurgarden).
>
> September 14 - Pre-season schedule begins.
>
> September 26 - Trade deadline at 2 p.m., EDT. Trade freeze in effect
> through completion of the Waiver Draft on Sept. 29. Each club's
> Protected List for Waiver Draft submitted to NHL by 4 p.m., EDT.
>
> September 27 - Each club's Protected and Available List for Waiver
> Draft released to media.
>
> September 29 - Waiver Draft - noon, EDT.
>
> September 30 - Deadline for unsigned juniors claimed in fourth or
> subsequent rounds of the 2000 Entry Draft and unclaimed unsigned
> players to be returned to their junior clubs.
>
> October 3 - Deadline for unsigned juniors claimed in the first three
> rounds of the Entry Draft to be returned to their junior clubs.
>
> ... hmmmmm, September 30 for the waiver draft ... don't know if you
> were headed that way Rich, but it looks like the new game in town is
> either Russian Roulette or Hot Potatsev.
It was what I suspected...wouldn't make much sense to have it after the
season started, but as I said, it sounded like you knew something I
didn't.
In all likelihood though, the waiver draft won't be as much of a problem
for us as waiver's themselves. As far as Karpovtsev goes, it's been
implied (with even a quote from Gandler himself IIRC, which is a great
sign, if he isn't using the threat as leverage) that Karpovtsev isn't
going to play in Russia past the waiver date, that his priorities are on
this side of the ocean, even if not definately in Toronto.
So protecting Karpovtsev on September 30th is a must, if we're not going
to lose him outright.
The unmentioned fact which works for us in this whole dilemma is that we
can only lose one person in the waiver draft...so we can give a low
ranked team someone to take someone we don't mind losing, or we can
trade to get whoever gets taken back (something Detroit has done on an
almost yearly basis the past few years).
The problem I fear, is once the draft is complete, making our final
roster cuts. IIRC, regardless of the draft, players like McCauley would
have to clear waivers outright in order to be sent down...something I
just can't see happening.
So unless something gets done soon, we've got a loss on the waiver draft
front looming, followed by a nightmare as we try to cut our roster. I'm
hoping that someone's going to respond to this by posting that if a
player makes it through the waiver draft, they're considered to have
cleared waivers, even if they only cleared because someone else was
taken. Until such a post though, I shall continue to fear managements
seeming lack of desire to solve the waiver problem.
Rich
Richard Elton
Bill Hendrick wrote:
>
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Richard Elton wrote:
>
> >
> > So unless something gets done soon, we've got a loss on the waiver draft
> > front looming, followed by a nightmare as we try to cut our roster. I'm
> > hoping that someone's going to respond to this by posting that if a
> > player makes it through the waiver draft, they're considered to have
> > cleared waivers, even if they only cleared because someone else was
> > taken. Until such a post though, I shall continue to fear managements
> > seeming lack of desire to solve the waiver problem.
>
> If a player clears the waiver draft then they do not have to clear
> waivers for the rest of the season.
>
> There is no limit to the number of players a team can lose in the waiver
> draft. In theory a team can lose all their eligible unprotected players.
I've tried to look it up, the closest thing I could find to the waiver
draft rules were the rules to last years waiver draft at
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/shn/99waiver.htm
Waiver Draft Rules
1. In the first round, only the Atlanta Thrashers and the non-playoff
clubs participate. The Thrashers choose first, followed by non-playoff
clubs, in order of points, fewest to most. In each subsequent round,
Atlanta will select first, followed by non-playoff clubs (fewest points
to
most), followed by playoff clubs (fewest points to most). The Waiver
Draft order of selection is provided on the following page.
2. No club may lose more than two players in the Waiver Draft, unless it
chooses to offer more players. Each club's two-player loss limit will
increase by the number of draft claims it makes against other clubs.
3. A club that lost a goaltender in the 1998 and 1999 Expansion Drafts
(Anaheim, Carolina, Detroit, Los Angeles, Montreal, New Jersey, NY
Rangers
and Tampa Bay) may not lose a goaltender in this year's Waiver Draft,
unless it chooses to offer a goaltender. No other club may lose more
than
one goaltender, which shall be included in the two-player loss limit,
unless it chooses to offer additional goaltenders.
4. The draft will conclude when a round is completed in which no club
makes a claim.
5. In the first round, no club may claim from a club in its own
division.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So one assumes that this year, it's Minnesota, Columbus, and the non
playoff teams.
Importantly, while I was wrong on the one player thing, losses aren't
unlimited, we can only lose two.
Richard Elton
Stavro wrote:
>
> The next waiver draft is in the summer. This years draft has passed. we
> lost Adams
>
That was the expansion draft. The waiver draft is on september 30th.
Rich
Richard Elton
Owl wrote:
>
> >> I was gonna ask you that very question. Guess I have to go learn the
> >> slow way again ...
> >
> >You were going to ask me? I asked you because it seemed you knew
> >something I didn't, which I don't take well, so I wanted to know too!;)
>
> Yea, but think of how much info we're feeding the announcers for the
> next exhibition game. I don't know if you caught all the small-talk
> and stuff in the first game, but there were spots where it felt like
> they were stepping on the graves of threads in this NG. Like before
> the game, the very first thing the radio put on was a repeat of the
> broadcast of the Philly-Domi 'non-fight'. I started checking the
> place for wire-taps.
>
It's an old half joke that we're the TO Sun's main source of rumours
etc.
Joke because it's ridiculous, half because the amount of echoing of us
they do is also ridiculous.
I've often wondered if there are any mediots or management folks among
the lurkers who are rumoured to be many...but I suspect are actually
fairly few.
<SNIP Hockey withdrawal and the offseason evolution of an Owl>
> >In all likelihood though, the waiver draft won't be as much of a problem
> >for us as waiver's themselves.
>
> Yea, the timing is better for adjusting to a player loss. But
> protecting Karpo pushes somebody onto the unprotected list who would
> be off it otherwise. That could be a big bite in the behind later.
>
> If Leafs look like they can put together a defence without Karpo, what
> about trading him for a draft pick or two?
>
Personally, I would have seen it as a mark of good management to make
sure that issues like Perreault and Karpovtsev are at least tied up if
not concluded by the waiver draft. While our problem is certainly a
good one to have, I'd prefer to be going in knowing as much had been
done to make sure we weren't going to lose someone unnecessarily as
possible.
Rationally, it's another side-effect downside of a coach-GM. Quinn's the
most important guy as far as working out roster moves...and he's
embroiled in one of the most promising training camps this
orginisation's seen in years. One certainly doesn't want to pull him
away from working out the opening day rosters from the large quota of
NHL players, or from seeing what's going to be available on the farm
this year and in the next few and planning the future from within.
Quinn's a busy man these days, will he have time to make the outside
moves he probably should?
<SNIP : Karpovtsev, Gandler, and why the hell have talks broken down
over 100k?!>
> >The unmentioned fact which works for us in this whole dilemma is that we
> >can only lose one person in the waiver draft...so we can give a low
> >ranked team someone to take someone we don't mind losing, or we can
> >trade to get whoever gets taken back (something Detroit has done on an
> >almost yearly basis the past few years).
>
> I like the concept. Could you please repost this after the protected
> list comes out, and before the draft itself so we don't get 792 posts
> from guys ranting on about having protected Domi again when <insert
> name of greatest Leaf prospect of this century> was lost in the draft.
> Kevyn who?
>
It turns out to be 2, not one, but regardless, I'll probably end up
posting and reposting this for the next 3 years, whenever people get
tired of ranting over Sullivan:)
> >The problem I fear, is once the draft is complete, making our final
> >roster cuts. IIRC, regardless of the draft, players like McCauley would
> >have to clear waivers outright in order to be sent down...something I
> >just can't see happening.
>
> I think I read in the Star that the rosters have to be down to 32
> after Tuesday. Then there's a list of names that's manageable enough
> to proceed with comparitive crucifiction.
>
That shouldn't provide too much of a problem, it's the eventual cut to
23 that'll get us. There's a lot of guys there at the moment more
because of future planning than because they have a bona fide shot this
year.
What was Hornby smoking to predict that Don MacLean would make the team
this year?
<SNIP : My fear, and it's placation>
> >PS. You joined the SmallWorld division yet Owl?
>
> Man, I'm outa my depth on that one. Yuze guyz know all the team
> rosters and stuff. Post the URL again, and I'll get over for a look.
they've changed the system this year, you set up a team (I've amazingly
managed to top my name from last year for creativity and originality;)
then join it into a division.
the division name is : alt.sports.hockey.tor-mapleleafs
the password is : goleafsgo
Rich's tip to SW debutantes : make sure you've got as many games as
possible coming from your roster players, you get 5 trades per week, and
they do accumulate, so the most important thing points wise is to have
as many producers playing over a week as possible. Anyone on a scoring
team playing 3 games in a week is a farly good start. There are plenty
of facilities to research the players, so don't be under the illusion
that knowing the NHL is of any great assistance;)
Rich
Van
> Thanks Bill. So it's a feeding frenzy till the waiter brings the
> bill. BTW, I think you meant morale, but it's more fun to read as
> moral. I agree about the slippery slope for someone who gets through
> most of the roster cuts and then gets replaced by someone else's outer
> limits.
But that outer-limit player may get a chance to crack a starting lineup.
The weak sisters of the league ain't the weak sisters because of their
burgeoning depth charts. Hopefully the process will make a few stagnant
dreams come true.
Van
Owl
Yea, I think what Bill was talking about, and I was agreeing with, was
that the '7th defenceman' on the weak sister team grinds it out to the
final cut ... and then gets bounced out by a pickup from another team.
It's all fair for the sake of the team, tho. And the picked-up player
may avoid a gopher season on the original club.