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Mr. T

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May 10, 2023, 6:07:09 PM5/10/23

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Well, Sharks don't move up.

But they didn't move down either, and Bedard didn't go to the Ducks. One scout just called him the best player he's ever scouted, bar none.

tack

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May 11, 2023, 9:59:33 AM5/11/23

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On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 6:07:09 PM UTC-4, Mr. T wrote:
> Well, Sharks don't move up.
>
> But they didn't move down either, and Bedard didn't go to the Ducks. One scout just called him the best player he's ever scouted, bar none.

The more I read about the lottery, the more convinced I become that the whole thing is fixed. No live drawings? Kevin Weekes tweets out the winner before it's announced? Yeah, sure. Hockey interest in critical Original-Six Chicago was plummeting, and as if Arizona isn't laughable enough, Bettman could not afford a crisis in a bellwether city. Voila, Chicago "wins" the lottery.

googz

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May 11, 2023, 11:34:28 AM5/11/23

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Read somewhere that Bedard has some ties to people in the Blackhawk's organization, so Yes I think there's something fishy.

As said, I'm just glad that Bedard didn't go to Anaheim, but they will get Fantilli, who will be a great player and has the size built for the playoffs. Bedard might be the more flashy and skilled, but how would you see him performing at his size in the playoffs? I guess in my mind, I'm drawing size comparisons with Jack Hughes.

I guess we should be glad that the Sharks didn't move down. They have two 1st rounders and 3 picks in the top 40.

JimA...@aol.com

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May 13, 2023, 10:13:17 PM5/13/23

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I've seen a lot of post on Facebook about the lottery being fixed, the reason I don't it was is why would the ownerships of every other team in the lottery consent to it? I can't imagine Bettman and the Blackhawks entering into a conspiracy on their own.

tack

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May 14, 2023, 6:22:48 PM5/14/23

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On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 10:13:17 PM UTC-4, JimA...@aol.com wrote:
> I've seen a lot of post on Facebook about the lottery being fixed, the reason I don't it was is why would the ownerships of every other team in the lottery consent to it? I can't imagine Bettman and the Blackhawks entering into a conspiracy on their own.

When one sees the absurd amount of power that idiot Bettman has, one must develop doubts about the sanity of team owners. Look at Phoenix. Look at rules? Look at almost endless nonsense that's foisted upon real hockey aficionados.

Uniike the old days, the ownership and operation of hockey is not made up of hockey people, but, of rich folks, who neither know nor care about the game's history and traditions. They're all focused on their net worth, not winning. Where does one see a George Steinbrenner in hockey? They're all anonymous, rich nobodies, off on their yachts and asking their accountants how much they're worth today. For all of them, it's not so much how their individual franchise is doing, but whether the "Firm" (to borrow a phrase from Britain's Royal Family) is doing OK. I'm sure they'd all be on board if Bettman told them that Chicago must be bolstered for everyone's collective health. Again, remember, these are the same folks that go along with the laughable situation in Phoenix, while Quebec has no hockey team.

JimA...@aol.com

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May 15, 2023, 6:28:46 PM5/15/23

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Maybe you're right but I still can't see the ownership of franchises who suck giving up a chance at a potential Sidney Crosby to bolster another franchise and I don't think Chicago is anymore important of franchise than Anaheim. Probably a good portion of people who are following hockey don't have any idea who Stan Mikita was other than a guy with a donut shop. I also don't think most of the owners are far more concerned with their making money and appreciation of their property than they are with the overall health of the league. The reason there is a team in Phoenix and not Quebec City is because the owners don't care about the league or hockey

tack

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May 16, 2023, 4:00:59 PM5/16/23

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On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 6:28:46 PM UTC-4, JimA...@aol.com wrote:
> Maybe you're right but I still can't see the ownership of franchises who suck giving up a chance at a potential Sidney Crosby to bolster another franchise and I don't think Chicago is anymore important of franchise than Anaheim. Probably a good portion of people who are following hockey don't have any idea who Stan Mikita was other than a guy with a donut shop. I also don't think most of the owners are far more concerned with their making money and appreciation of their property than they are with the overall health of the league. The reason there is a team in Phoenix and not Quebec City is because the owners don't care about the league or hockey

The league is a cartel, and what's best for the cartel takes precedence over the desires of any individual member. Any individual owner can be dictated to, fined, or anything else the cartel member decide. There are no Charlie Finley's in sight.

Mr. T

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May 16, 2023, 4:52:38 PM5/16/23

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Every sport is different. When I look at the expansion draft rules that allowed newly created teams, with no effort of drafting, developing, or paying dues of any kind, to leapfrog long-suffering cities, I have to say the owners don't have as much power as in some other sports.

Or look at NHL having a near 100% rate of ruling against teams like Sharks in DoPS decisions.

I'm with Tack on this one, in that the NHL is corrupt, they push shite on certain teams and owners, and there is no remediation.

While I am weary of conspiracies, I wouldn't put anything past the NHL. The game is great. The league is full of sick shits like Bettman.

googz

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May 17, 2023, 10:46:22 AM5/17/23

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On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 3:07:09 PM UTC-7, Mr. T wrote:
> Well, Sharks don't move up.
>
> But they didn't move down either, and Bedard didn't go to the Ducks. One scout just called him the best player he's ever scouted, bar none.

Going back to the topic of this conversation, here's an interesting read on what scouts are saying about Carlsson, Michkov, and Smith

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/sharks/how-scouts-evaluate-matvei-michkov-sharks-potential-nhl-draft-targets

Seems like all are pointing to Michkov as the real deal with offensive creativity and flare the Sharks desperately need. The downside is his being Russian and the baggage that comes with it. If Columbus picks Smith, I think the Sharks are going to have a hard time deciding between Carlsson and Michkov. If Columbus takes Carlsson, they should go for Michkov over Smith.

Mr. T

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May 19, 2023, 5:50:51 PM5/19/23

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Thanks this was great. It's all speculation until these guys. actually do something, but it's fun to talk about. If the conventional story is true, and there seems to be a lot of agreement on top picks, then I buy into the basic Sharks choices:

1 Carlsson vs Michkov: do we buy that this is virtually impossible at 4? Sounds like it

2 Carlsson vs Smith: take Carlsson, I buy it from what I've hear

3 Michkov vs Smith or others: take Michkov, I buy it at this point. There are gushing words here and elsewhere about Michkov. And if he's tied up for whatever it is, 2-3 years, what does it matter, by then the Sharks will just be getting out from under various bad contracts and buyouts.

Mr. T

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May 19, 2023, 5:52:33 PM5/19/23

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And in those 2 or 3 years, without a Michkov to help, they could very well get more top picks