top 50 of all time
Shaukkor
HOW ABOUT GAINEY!!! What an oversight. His exclusion invalidates the whole
list, IMO. In 1972, a pole was taken among Russian players, and they agreed
that he was the greatest hockey player that they'd ever seen!
Dave Bernardi
Toronto, Ontario
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Kevin R. Schneider wrote in message ...
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>You caught me, I probably should have put mike gartner or steve yzerman in
>there.
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>On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Salzy wrote:
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>> Kevin R. Schneider wrote:
>> >
>> > As if you all care, here are my top fifty
>>
>> ---snip---
>>
>> You are (quite obviously) a Hawks fan. Dirk Graham??? Also, I believe
>> Serge Savard invented the Savardian Spinorama.
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Tack
My two cents:
1) Orr - best hockey player of all time, period. Nobody even close IMHO.
Came down from another league. Left fans and opponents in awe of his
abilities. (Once I saw him skate around and kill 1:40 seconds of a
two-minute penalty by himself without ever letting the other team even touch
the puck.)
2) Plante - Best goalie. Totally understood when to come out and when to
stay in the net. Knocked forwards twice his size on their butts if they
screened him. Incredibly fast hands. Great skater, too.
3) Gretzky - probably best overall forward over career and with great
instincts, vision and touch. (Although, Maurice Richard was awesome. You
just have to imagine what the NHL was like, then, with six --count 'em,
six-- teams. The best of the best! And this guy scores 50 goals in 50
games, not 82 games!)
Derek W Davison wrote in message <4oiwOhq00...@andrew.cmu.edu>...
>Excerpts from netnews.alt.sports.hockey.nhl.pit-penguins: 12-Jan-98 top
>50 of all time by "Kevin R. Schneider"@stu
>> As if you all care, here are my top fifty
>>
>> 1. Gordie Howe Mr. Hockey is the greatest ever. played both ways and
>> did it with style
>
>gretzky smashed all his records and lemieux was 5 times more talented.
>howe had a nice, long career, but if he were playing in his prime now
>he'd be another face in the crowd, a nice scoring winger like shanahan
>or leclair.
>
>> 2. Bobby Orr Changed the game. Greatest defenseman ever
>
>probably should be number 1.
>
>> 3. Wayne Gretzky Not #1 in my book didn't play both ways. Greatest
>> hockey mind, though
>> 4. Maurice richard one of the greatest scorers, and the rocket played
>> both ways
>> 5. Mario Lemieux Best talent (other than orr) ever to play. Just
>> imagine if he had never been hurt
>
>lemieux has better numbers than richard across the board, and was
>certainly more dominant in this era than the rocket was in his. lemieux
>gets knocked for not playing defense, but when it mattered (playoffs) he
>was usually the best defensive player on the ice.
>
>> 6. Jacques Plante Best Goalie ever. I don't even know how many cups he
>> won.
>> 7. Bobby Hull Golden Jet was great.
>> 8. Jean Beliveau
>> 9. Doug harvey probably the best defensive player
>> 10. Terry Sawchuk Great goalie
>> 11. Mark Messier Greatest leader in sports SIX CUPS!
>
>messier's top 15 rating was a sick joke in the original list, and it's a
>sick joke here. there were players lower on this list, chiefly bryan
>trottier, who were 2 or 3 times the player messier ever was. does he
>belong in the top 50? sure. in the top 15? i doubt it. there have
>been so many great players in nhl history that a cheap loudmouthed
>player who's been consistenly overrated doesn't belong in the top 15.
>
>> 12. Guy Lafleur
>> 13. Eddie Shore
>> 14. Glenn Hall
>> 15. Ray Borque
>> 16. Stan Mikita
>> 17. Phil Esposito
>> 18. Howie Morenz
>> 19. Mike Bossy
>> 20. Denis Potvin
>> 21. Ted Lindsay
>> 22. Ken Dryden
>> 23. Bobby Clarke
>> 24. Red Kelly
>> 25. Frank Mahovlich
>> 26. Larry Robinson
>> 27. Bryan Trottier
>
>bryan trottier is maybe the third best center of all time, behind
>lemieux and gretzky. how he fell so far down the original list boggles
>my mind. if you were so concerned with two way play at the top of your
>list, how can you ignore maybe the finest two way player in hockey
>history?
>
>> 28. Dennis Savard
>> 29. Milt Schmidt
>> 30. Paul Coffey
>> 31. Bernie Geoffrion Personal fave. Great slapshot
>> 32. Dickie Moore
>> 33. Newsy Lalonde
>> 34. George Hainsworth
>> 35. Marcel Dionne
>> 36. Bill Durnan
>> 37. Syl Apps
>> 38. Charlie Conacher
>> 39. Chris Chelios
>> 40. Tony Esposito Another mistake in the original
>> 41. Jari Kurri Great scorer underrated 'cause he played w/Gretzky
>> 42. Brett Hull How could he be left off, great scorer
>
>if you want to include hull, fine. BUT, that's why jagr also belongs on
>the list. jagr is a better player in his prime than hull or joey
>mullen, and if you're going to include them, you've got to include him.
>
>> 43. Johnny Bucyk
>> 44. Joe Malone
>> 45. Grant Fuhr Should've been on the original, 5 CUPS
>> 46. Gilbert Perreault
>> 47. Gump Worsley Gotta love anyone named "Gump" (Forrest Gump, Worsley,
>> etc....)
>> 48. Dominik Hasek Won the Hart as a goalie--hard to do
>
>and he's constantly a devisive force on whatever team he's on. still
>hasn't won a cup, either. the hart is nice, but come on. whatever your
>personal distaste for roy may be, roy has been head and shoulders above
>hasek from day one.
>
>> 49. Joe Mullen a surprise--500 goals
>> 50. Dirk Graham Great player for years
>
>
>derek
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On Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:12:13 -0500, "Shaukkor" <Shau...@msn.com>
wrote:
>HOW ABOUT GAINEY!!! What an oversight. His exclusion invalidates the whole
>list, IMO. In 1972, a pole was taken among Russian players, and they agreed
>that he was the greatest hockey player that they'd ever seen!
Which is really impressive - considering the Gainey wasn't drafted
until 1974...I didn't know they were scouting Peterborough back then.
:)
Anyway, I think the poll was taken in 1980 or so. And he should have
been in the top 50. mid-40's I'd say
Steve May
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>>> 50. Dirk Graham Great player for years
Dirk Graham one of the top 50 ever? Give me a break! He wouldn't be in
the top 300! And Hasek's not quite there yet, either...maybe the top
200. We're talking years of hockey here, not the last 10 or 2-3!!
Other than that, most of the list looks good...alth not necessarily in
the order stated IMHO.
>>
>>
>
>
Kevin Massey
On Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:20:07 -0800, "Tack" <tac...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>My two cents:
>
>1) Orr - best hockey player of all time, period. Nobody even close IMHO.
>Came down from another league. Left fans and opponents in awe of his
>abilities. (Once I saw him skate around and kill 1:40 seconds of a
>two-minute penalty by himself without ever letting the other team even touch
>the puck.)
There is just no arguing this.......If the younger people had seen him
play they would most likely agree. He dominated in ever aspect of the
game. Like you said......he would take the puck and kill a penalty by
himself. He was once +128. He was so good...it wasnt fair.
Joe Pelletier
Kevin Massey <mot...@clark.net> wrote in article
<34bccd36....@news.clark.net>...
I think the difference when arguing who is the greatest, it just depends
how
you look at the criteria. People look at Gretzky and see the stats and
the records, thus they see his accomplishments, whereas Orr supporters
tend to look at the actual on ice performance and god given talent.
Joe
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> >
> I think the difference when arguing who is the greatest, it just depends
> how
> you look at the criteria. People look at Gretzky and see the stats and
> the records, thus they see his accomplishments, whereas Orr supporters
> tend to look at the actual on ice performance and god given talent.
>
> Joe
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Well, I have to totally disagree with you. Well, not totally. Orr is #2,
but as someone who saw both Orr and Gretzky play (seeing Gretzky playing live
many times at the Coliseum), I could rave about Gretzky's God given talents
just as much as Orr's. Gretzky was not a 1 dimensional scoring machine (tho'
he has become one after 18 years in the league - age slows one down you know,
as Orr would have found out if his limbs hadn't failed him), but a far more
complete player than many think. He may not have been a dominating physical
presence (hitting), but in every other way, he was the best. He back-checked,
could dominate while penalty killing (lagging the puck for 45-60 seconds at a
time), had great vision, and a lot better shot than people give him credit
for (who else scored 92 goals in a season). People look at Gretzky's stats
because they are so overwhelming (he was often 30 to 35% better than the next
best offensive player, that type of stat is unmatched in *any* professional
sport).
Just my opinion, tho' - and everyone has a different one (more or less).
Billy
I respect these top 50 lists more than the Hockey News one...Jagr
ahead of Pearreault(sp)?? Jagr in the Top 50?? C'mon.............
rediculous.
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I need someone's help. A while back, I saw a web page that had stats
from EVERY Player, on EVERY team, in EVERY league, in the entire
history of hockey. If anyone has a clue what I am speaking of, please
write back!! Thank you.
Neil Convey
I think this may help. This is the web page for the Syracuse Crunch
Player Stats. You can work backwards from there!
http://ESPNET.SportsZone.com/minorlh/ahl/teamstats/syr.html
Good Luck