Red Wings
Luke
Rick Y
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> Lost five in a row....it happens to the best of them.
>
>
>
It doesn't happen to the best of them twice in the same year, Luke. The
Flyers are no where near the best and at this point it would not surprise
me one bit if they didn't make the playoffs. The Flyers are in a tough
division that has been beating the shit out of each other all season
long. Right now the Flyers are the weakest in the division and have the
weakest coach in the division. When you admit that to yourself, you'll
sleep much better at night, Luke.
Rick
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> "Luke" <rluk...@comcast.net> wrote innews:lfWdnUTXLZgrcCva...@comcast.com:
At this point, I'd give the coaching job to Berube. Anybody but
Stevens. I can't take it anymore. It would have been easier if they
had sucked the big one this year too BUT we KNOW they are loaded with
talent and just need a SYSTEM implemented.
Luke
"Rick Y" <nu...@business.com> wrote in message
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I agree with everything you said except the opinion on the coach. The
bottom line is Stevens isn't going anywhere for the near future no matter
how bad their record is so only time will tell. To me it's a moot point.
Like him, hate him, whatever it is totally irrelevant since the Flyers have
deemed him their coach through this rebuilding process. The earliest, and I
mean the absolute earliest they would consider a change would be after next
season's all star break if they are struggling to stay consistent. Until
then, it is a waste of energy - imo - to focus on his talents or lack
therof. Coaching, in all professional sports, gets too much focus in my
opinion - particularly from fans. That is why you rarely see coaches canned
when fans want them canned, management obviously has more access to the
daily ins and outs of players, players attitudes, players ability to learn
new systems, injuries, personal issues, etc. which all contribute to a
coach's ability to win games. He may be a horrible coach - I'm not
defending his talents - just the fact that it doesn't matter right now so
let's move on to more important issues like what players can actually play
at the NHL level. The Flyers have a ton of question marks.....can Carter
become a consistent player? Can Kukkonen play? Who would be stupid enough
to trade for Vandemeer? It Upshall going to continue to be injury prone
given his style of play? How about Picard? Any future.....etc.. That is
the key for this season.
Rick Y
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> "Rick Y" <nu...@business.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A4665228...@199.45.49.11...
>> "Luke" <rlu...@comcast.net> wrote in
>> news:lfWdnUTXLZgrcCva...@comcast.com:
>>
>>> Lost five in a row....it happens to the best of them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It doesn't happen to the best of them twice in the same year, Luke.
>> The Flyers are no where near the best and at this point it would not
>> surprise me one bit if they didn't make the playoffs. The Flyers are
>> in a tough division that has been beating the shit out of each other
>> all season long. Right now the Flyers are the weakest in the
>> division and have the weakest coach in the division. When you admit
>> that to yourself, you'll sleep much better at night, Luke.
>>
>> Rick
>
> I agree with everything you said except the opinion on the coach. The
> bottom line is Stevens isn't going anywhere for the near future no
> matter how bad their record is so only time will tell. To me it's a
> moot point. Like him, hate him, whatever it is totally irrelevant
> since the Flyers have deemed him their coach through this rebuilding
> process. The earliest, and I mean the absolute earliest they would
> consider a change would be after next season's all star break if they
> are struggling to stay consistent. Until then, it is a waste of
> energy - imo - to focus on his talents or lack therof. Coaching, in
> all professional sports, gets too much focus in my opinion
A knowledgeable coach could do far more with this team. Hitch was doing
far better with the Flyers before he got the boot and as you saw, things
went down hill fast. Stevens is mystified at the NHL level. It's no
longer about who has the best players or who works hardest, it's about
knowing what to say to the players in certain situations, because as a
coach you've been there and know exactly what it takes to succeed.
Stevens doesn't have that advantage so what's he going to say to his team
leaders who have been there and know what it takes. How long will it be
before he loses those guys? Once his team leaders lose faith in his
coaching abilities, the rest of the team will follow and there will be no
way to succeed without replacing the coach. If he loses 5 more in a row
the firing should be automatic. The GM can show the coach the support he
needs by signing the coach to an extension, but that doesn't mean he has
job security, just income security. There have been plenty of coaches
who have done a far better job with their respective team who have found
themselves jobless and if Holgren decided to make the change now, this
team would have a chance of making the playoffs. Murray has been there
before he knows what it takes and he had just a one line team that he
took to the finals.
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> particularly from fans. That is why you rarely see coaches canned
> when fans want them canned, management obviously has more access to
> the daily ins and outs of players, players attitudes, players ability
> to learn new systems, injuries, personal issues, etc.
What system? What is this system that you speak of?
which all
> contribute to a coach's ability to win games. He may be a horrible
> coach - I'm not defending his talents - just the fact that it doesn't
> matter right now so let's move on to more important issues like what
> players can actually play at the NHL level. The Flyers have a ton of
> question marks.....can Carter become a consistent player? Can
> Kukkonen play? Who would be stupid enough to trade for Vandemeer? It
> Upshall going to continue to be injury prone given his style of play?
> How about Picard? Any future.....etc.. That is the key for this
> season.
Which players can play at the NHL level? You're too funny.
Rick
Luke
"Rick Y" <nu...@business.com> wrote in message > Which players can play at
>
So, you know for a fact that Picard, Kukkonen, Topelka, Parent, Ruscika,
Potulney, Greentree, Guenin, Tristan Grand, Lars Jonsson or Jared Ross are
NHL level players? I think the jury is out on all if not most of the above
and the Flyers need to find that out so they can either play them or move
them for more important assets. Playing sporadically good duriing a few
game call-up doesn't make them NHL players. Most AHL players are like
backup quarterbacks in the NFL, everybody loves them and they typically play
well in a game or two but if they are forced to play long term, their
shortcomings become painfully evident.
Rick Y
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> "Rick Y" <nu...@business.com> wrote in message > Which players can
> play at the NHL level? You're too funny.
>>
>
> So, you know for a fact that Picard, Kukkonen, Topelka, Parent,
> Ruscika, Potulney, Greentree, Guenin, Tristan Grand, Lars Jonsson or
> Jared Ross are NHL level players?
Those are not the majority of the *Flyers* players. Each one of them had
a shot but didn't stick, so I guess you have your answer on the Phantoms
players, whatever that has to do with the Current Flyers.
I think the jury is out on all if
> not most of the above and the Flyers need to find that out so they can
> either play them or move them for more important assets.
Just because they are not there yet doesn't mean you sell the farm and
mortgage the future to build the Flyers up.
Playing
> sporadically good duriing a few game call-up doesn't make them NHL
> players. Most AHL players are like backup quarterbacks in the NFL,
> everybody loves them and they typically play well in a game or two but
> if they are forced to play long term, their shortcomings become
> painfully evident.
So what does that have to do with the current roster? Those are all guys
that may someday stick to the parent team, but when all are healthy on
the Flyers roster, that's a pretty damn good roster on the forwards side
and a few short on the defensive side. Kuks and Parent should eventually
make that complete then the question mark is why is Vandermeer getting
stud-like playing time when he should probably be in the AHL?
To recap: Good players, inexperienced coach.
Rick
Cynicor
No way. The Isles and Rangers are weaker than the Flyers. Or at least
their fans despair more often.
Rick Y
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The Flyers have lost in the last week to both of those teams and they
weren't even close games.
Rick
Cynicor
> Cynicor wrote:
>> No way. The Isles and Rangers are weaker than the Flyers. Or at least
>> their fans despair more often.
>
> The Flyers have lost in the last week to both of those teams and they
> weren't even close games.
And they've also beaten both teams in not-close games. Let's face it -
the only people we should feel genuinely sorry for are Leafs fans.
Ahahahahahahahaha kidding!