Dry Ice?
Sean Andrew
they will ship my order in "a double insulated carrier with dry ice".
After reading numerous complaints about bad hockey ice, I am wondering if it
would be feasible to use dry ice (frozen CO2, I believe) in lieu of
traditional ice (frozen H2O). Apparently, dry ice doesn't melt, but
sublimates directly to gaseous CO2, so it might yield a cleaner playing
surface.
Sean Andrew
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Sean Andrew
> I believe fog would be an issuse then.
Good point. Perhaps exhaust fans could be place around the boards, but the
central portion of the ice might still be obscured.
Sean Andrew
Vince
When you get that dry ice, take a spoon and press it against it. Now
imagine the sound of 12 pairs of skates pushing on the dry ice. The
noise alone would make me want to poke out my ear drums.
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> I believe fog would be an issuse then.
Make the players wear black concert t-shirts, hang some velvet black light
posters and hang some black lights in the rink. Blast Snynyrd, Molly
Hatchet and Foghat from the PA. I think we're on to something...
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Herr Jules
temperature. How would the players find the puck and how would they
maintain the surface?
Rick
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Sean Andrew
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> Dry ice is used in theatrics because it boils and creates fog at room
> temperature.
Not exactly, it only does that when mixed with hot water:
DRY ICE FOG
Dry Ice when combined with hot tap water can produce vigorous bubbling water
and voluminous flowing fog. For example, with 5 pounds of Dry Ice in 4 to 5
gallons of hot water, the greatest amount of fog will be produced the first
5 to 10 minutes. There will be far less fog for the next 5 to 10 minutes as
the water cools down and the volume of Dry Ice diminishes. As the water
cools, the fog becomes wispier.
Dry Ice makes fog because of its cold temperature, -109.3蚌 or -78.5蚓,
immersed in hot water, creates a cloud of true water vapor fog. When the
water gets colder than 50蚌, the Dry Ice stops making fog, but continues to
sublimate and bubble.
http://www.dryiceinfo.com/fog.htm
> how would they maintain the surface?
Dunno.
Sean "if there's a will, there's a way" Andrew
Sean Andrew
"Vince" <icepop77atc...@comcast.net> wrote
> When you get that dry ice, take a spoon and press it against it. Now
> imagine the sound of 12 pairs of skates pushing on the dry ice. The
> noise alone would make me want to poke out my ear drums.
Seems like a small price to pay for a pristine playing surface.
Sean Andrew
Al
<Herr...@Scweinerhund.de> wrote:
>Dry ice is used in theatrics because it boils and creates fog at room
>temperature. How would the players find the puck and how would they
>maintain the surface?
>
>Rick
I can see it now..... the fog rising from the ice and a player goes
back for an easy touch-up for icing and he completely misses the puck!
Oh wait a second........never mind.
Sorry.. still a little bitter bout what might have been
Al
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He told me to burn things." Ralph Wiggum
Herr Jules
UH, I don't know if you noticed or not, but room temperature is above 50deg
F. It does boil slowly and produces vapor similar to steam (fog). Anyone
can cut an paste from the internet, Sean.
Rick
Herr Jules
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> On Sun, 23 May 2004 21:16:18 GMT, "Herr Jules"
> <Herr...@Scweinerhund.de> wrote:
>
> >Dry ice is used in theatrics because it boils and creates fog at room
> >temperature. How would the players find the puck and how would they
> >maintain the surface?
> >
> >Rick
>
> I can see it now..... the fog rising from the ice and a player goes
> back for an easy touch-up for icing and he completely misses the puck!
> Oh wait a second........never mind.
>
> Sorry.. still a little bitter bout what might have been
Well, it was a minor gaff, but it happens....can't remember when, but it
must happen right?
Rick
Sean Andrew
"Herr Jules" <Herr...@Scweinerhund.de> wrote
> UH, I don't know if you noticed or not, but room temperature is above
50deg
> F. It does boil slowly and produces vapor similar to steam (fog).
"When the WATER [my emphasis] gets colder than 50°F, the Dry Ice stops
making fog, but continues to sublimate and bubble."
That refers to the temperature of the WATER mixed with the dry ice, not the
ambient temperature...
"The fog will last longer on a damp day than on a dry day. "
Dehumidify the arena and the fog factor should (theoretically) be minimized.
Sean "GO LAND OF LAKERS!" Andrew
sonoflavadome
won on those conditions. I am writing a letter to Bettman tomorrow!
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Herr Jules
Alright, alright you will get more fog with water, but my point is that if
you use *that* much dry ice to pave an NHL sized skating surface, you won't
need that much water vapor before you get plenty of fog. Normally you would
have a small amount of dry ice to produce a massive amount of fog. Next
subject.
Rick
Herr Jules
something to collect the moisture. Today's players would've sat on the
bench and watched someone else do that. Was it the players?
Rick
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Tropicsprite
Dry Ice is chilled WELL below zero, and burns the skin on contact (why do
you think it is handled with gloves????)
Regular ice can handle a hand or face hitting it and skidding across
it....try that with Dry Ice and you'll see pieces of skin trailing down the
ice.....
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sonoflavadome
had to take a couple stoppages during the game to continue to do this...Even
the players on the bench. One of the stranger things to happen in hockey.
Can you imagine? In the Stanley Cup Finals no less!
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Ed Webb
a player gets tripped,and his cheek sticks to the playing surface
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Herr Jules
to Philly fans. BUt as far as imagining the players skating around, I think
there would be a major uproar by the NHLPA if they were even asked. I could
see the players now "who me?, not me, no way, get the mascot to skate
around.....
Rick
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Lars
underneath, which makes them slide. They won't work on dry ice.
Mastiff
>Dude... skates work because the blades melt the ice into liquid water
>underneath, which makes them slide. They won't work on dry ice.
Lars! Don't you try and tell Sean "UCLA Alum" Andrew about physics!
Don't you know he's good friends with C.R. Slaughterbeck, a world
famous professor on the subject at UW? Sheesh, the guy did his Ph.D.
on "Force Microscopy of Ice Surfaces", for goodness sake! Man... you
have some nerve...
Herr Jules
coming off the blades. Fox wants it I'm sure, maybe they'll even bring back
the glowing puck.
Rick
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Sean Andrew
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> Dude... skates work because the blades melt the ice into liquid water
> underneath, which makes them slide. They won't work on dry ice.
Thanks, Lars. I was going to do some experiments, but the seafood company
lied: there was no dry ice in my shipment.
Sean "but the oysters are delicious" Andrew
Dennis
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> I can remember on instance in a playoff situation when fog was not so kind
> to Philly fans.
I remember that game a little too vividly. Grounding the Randall
passing option pretty much immobilized the Birds. Very gloomy day.
Dennis
Herr Jules
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I know it's football and everything, but that game should've been delayed.
You really remember that?
Rick
Sean Andrew
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Why? <rhetorical question; the Eagles lost to da Bears>
> You really remember that?
Does anyone remember the movie, "Windy City Heat"? Stone Fury could kick
Rocky's ass, easily.
Sean "GO FLAMES!" Andrew
Wayne
I remember watching that (Bears fan). It was odd having the camera down on
the field like you would expect for a high school game. And you still
couldn't see shit.
Wayne
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den...@cantremember.com said...
Calling a game a "playoff game" seemed to pretty much ground their offense
anyway.
Herr Jules
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Try telling *that* to the Detroit Lions.
Rick