ESPN Top 10 Goons
Danny Clark
Terry O'Reilly
Bob Probert
Clark Gillies
Gordie Howe
Chris Nilan
Joey Kocur
Tiger Williams
Stu Grimnson
Ted Lindsay
They said they kept Tie Domi, Dave Brown and Marty McSorely off cause of
their excessive stick fouls. In other words, you had to do more than
just fight.
A fair list, although I would have Probert as number one.
--
Danny Clark
Lumpy
only for his legendary line when skating into a scrum..."Alright, Daddy's
home..."
Lumpy.
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Clark Baubles
Although I never saw Shultz he is legendary. I was never all that impressed
with O'Reilly. I would have ranked Shultz first followed by Gillies then
Probert then Howe. Everyone else are also-rans, IMO.
-C
John Bradley
I was expecting John Ferguson to be the number 1 goon. The guy was a
legend with Montreal. Shultz accumulated a lot of penalty minutes, but he
wasn't a great fighter. I remember Gillies, Howatt and Nystrom on the
Islanders kicking his butt on a regular basis.
Danny Clark <mrp...@mindspring.com> writes:
--
John Bradley "I'm a realist. I always see the possibilities for
jjbr...@erols.com the worst event. At the same time, I'm maybe
so much of a realist that I'm quite optimistic.
What a paradox." --- Egil Olsen
Jerry Stein
who never backed down and delivered many a sound beating -- he deserves to be on
the list.
Tom Aimone
guy on Atlanta who leveled him with one punch - don't remember his name.
Dunc
occasions. Although his tenure was brief, Bert was unbeatable.
Also, Gillies should be number nine or ten, if he warrants inclusion at all.
Dunc
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Tim B
>Schulz backed out of fights with the Ranger's own Bert Wilson on several
>occasions. Although his tenure was brief, Bert was unbeatable.
I'll second that for you. Bert Wilson was a good fighter. Don't recall
any "back outs" by Schultz but Bert could go.
While we're at it, in a player's poll, Dan Maloney was voted best
fighter ahead of Schultz during their time together in the league.
That's Dan Maloney not to be confused with Dave or Don.
Tim
zubov
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> They didn't call Shultz "The Hammer" for nothin'. But O'Reilly
was a skinny kid
> who never backed down and delivered many a sound beating -- he
deserves to be on
> the list.
>
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-z-
zubov
fighter. There was a
> guy on Atlanta who leveled him with one punch - don't remember
his name.
>
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Danny Clark
Tim B <timbru...@optonline.net> wrote:
I remember him. He had the Brad May tag. Could go, hard punch, but never
fought enough. Kyte was also rated the best fighter by his peers. Until
Kocur ended that theory.
A few very tough guys of the golden age of hockey fighting not
mentioned...
Jay Miller (the most willing guy I ever watched)
Tim Hunter
John Kordic (died, but I remember a quote by him when talking about Jay
Miller. He said some guys fight cause they get pissed, some guys fight
to put food on the table, but Jay fights cause he enjoys it. It took Jay
over 6 bad losses to John to fianlly win one)
Andres Hedberg (he beat on Bobby Clarke in a classic moment I will never
forget so he gets in there)
Willie Plett was pretty decent. He would double punch guys on occasion.
Throw it, and on the way back he would get a back hand in.
Another underrated guy was Dave Richter who played with the Flyers.
And one guy I'd place on that list over Grimson would be the Chief
himself, Craig Berube. In his prime, he could punch out anybody. And his
stare could rival MEssier's.
The best little fighters off the top of my head
Tie Domi
Stan Jonathon
Gary Howatt
George McPhee
and Tiger who was mentioned as well as Ted Green who was before my time.
A side note on Dave Schultz. In his book, The Hammer, he mentioned the
only two guys he was afraid of were Gillies and Fotiu. IMO, that was
when the league started getting bigger.
Best fighter of all time was Bob Probert in his cocaine prime. Any fight
he lost, he won the rematch in dramatic fashion.
--
Danny Clark
Tim B
> I remember him. He had the Brad May tag. Could go, hard punch, but never
> fought enough. Kyte was also rated the best fighter by his peers. Until
> Kocur ended that theory.
>
> A few very tough guys of the golden age of hockey fighting not
> mentioned...
One nasty mother was Behn Wilson. That dude was insane when he got mad.
Absolutely would blow a gasket.
Hey, you got to get your hands on that Manson-Stevens fight from 91.
Dave Manson busted him up, blood flowing everywhere. Maybe a stick was
involved if I remember correctly but Manson just absolutely lit Stevens
up like a Christmas tree.
Tim
Danny Clark
Tim B <timbru...@optonline.net> wrote:
I'm going to check out some old fight sites later tonight. If I can find
it online, I'll sure post the link. Here and the Devil group. :-D I'm
guessing it's still in a collector's library on VHS only and not posted
as of yet. I'm thinking of trying my hand at some of that video editing.
Aside from personal shower scenes of yours truly, I'm gonna try and get
some classic fights digitized for a page.
I also have a great Fotiu/Wilson fight from the Garden. Nicky boxed his
ears off and almost KO'd him with the last shot.
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Danny Clark
User455673
Time, I don't think anyone who ever saw the tree Maloney's will ever confuse
the three. Have their ever been a worse fighting brother duo than the
Maloney's??
IIRC, Dan M. was a wicked fighter, he used to hurt people. Wasn't he charged
with assault from some grandstanding Toronto judge?
I would agree with those who wanted Fergy on the list; for what he meant to
those Canadien teams, he has to be on any top 10 fighter list. Also, how could
gillies be rated behind O'Reilly? One of the main reasons that the Icelnaders
beat the Bruins in the early 80's was Gillies routinely beat O'Reilly.
david lee t.
User455673
> Tim B <timbru...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:57:59 GMT, "Dunc" <du...@onebox.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Schulz backed out of fights with the Ranger's own Bert Wilson on several
>> >occasions. Although his tenure was brief, Bert was unbeatable.
>>
>> I'll second that for you. Bert Wilson was a good fighter. Don't recall
>> any "back outs" by Schultz but Bert could go.
>>
>> While we're at it, in a player's poll, Dan Maloney was voted best
>> fighter ahead of Schultz during their time together in the league.
>> That's Dan Maloney not to be confused with Dave or Don.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>
>I remember him. He had the Brad May tag. Could go, hard punch, but never
>fought enough. Kyte was also rated the best fighter by his peers. Until
>Kocur ended that theory.
>
>A few very tough guys of the golden age of hockey fighting not
>mentioned...
>
>Jay Miller (the most willing guy I ever watched)
>Tim Hunter
>John Kordic (died, but I remember a quote by him when talking about Jay
>Miller. He said some guys fight cause they get pissed, some guys fight
>to put food on the table, but Jay fights cause he enjoys it. It took Jay
>over 6 bad losses to John to fianlly win one)
>Andres Hedberg (he beat on Bobby Clarke in a classic moment I will never
>forget so he gets in there)
Watching someone hand Clarke his head that night was memorable; Clarke prolly
figured he was safe with Hedberg. Pussy.
>
>Willie Plett was pretty decent. He would double punch guys on occasion.
>Throw it, and on the way back he would >get a back hand in.
Any mention of old Atlanta Flames has to also include ex-Ranger Curt Bennett. I
was there the night Bennett almost killed Dave Maloney. Bennett had beaten up
Moose Dupont while he was with the Rangers; then Emile Francis decided that he
was too tough and got rid of him.
>
>Another underrated guy was Dave Richter who played with the Flyers.
I don't remember him all that much; the Flyers always had homicidal maniacs who
posed as NHL Goons for a season or two.
Two of the toughest of those guys to me were Dave Hoyda and Glen Cochrane.
Cochrane was one scary dude.
>
>And one guy I'd place on that list over Grimson would be the Chief
>himself, Craig Berube. In his prime, he could punch out anybody. And his
>stare could rival MEssier's.
I'd go with the Grim Reaper over Berube. Berube would be you; Grimson would
also beat you, but he'd also have a good chance of hurting you as well. Gotta
give those types the upper hand when rating.
>
>
>The best little fighters off the top of my head
>
>Tie Domi
Yep.
>Stan Jonathon
Jonathan is one of my all-time faves; would go with anyone. I think he beat
Schultz in boston once, but I was a youngin', could be mistaken.Another guy who
looked like he just loved to fight.
>Gary Howatt
>George McPhee
>and Tiger who was mentioned as well as Ted Green who was before my time.
McPhee's bloodying of Rick Tocchet and Dave Longevin were classics.
I would also throw into that list:
John Wensink-one of the scariest fighters I saw as a yoot'.
Mel Bridgman: Wicked brawler, a mean fighter.
I used to hear from older fans that Orland Kurtenbach before his back injuries
was as tough a fighter as Ferguson.
>
>A side note on Dave Schultz. In his book, The Hammer, he mentioned the
>only two guys he was afraid of were Gillies and Fotiu. IMO, that was
>when the league started getting bigger.
>
>Best fighter of all time was Bob Probert in his cocaine prime. Any fight
>he lost, he won the rematch in dramatic fashion.
>
>--
>Danny Clark
>
david lee t.
Michael Proscia
>Kyte was also rated the best fighter by his peers.
Jim Kyte? I have a tape of him losing to everyone.
>Jay Miller
I remember seeing a bad loss to Flyers Dave Brown, where Brown was hoding him
up with one arm and slugging the crap out of him with the other. After the
fight, Miller complained to Brown, it looked like he was going to burst out in
tears.
>Tim Hunter
Tim, along with Peplinski & Riseborough were a pretty tough Calagary team.
>John Kordic
Don't remember him much, most of these guys is slightly before me:-(
>Andres Hedberg (he beat on Bobby Clarke in a classic moment I will never
>forget so he gets in there)
I wish I'd have seen that!
>Willie Plett was pretty decent.
Wasn't he almost a Ranger. I think he was picked up in the waiver draft only to
retire or something?
>Dave Richter
Don't know him
>Craig Berube. In his prime, he could punch out anybody.
Man, I hate to disagree, but I remember him when he would lose to Chris Nilan
on a regular basis.
>Tie Domi
Yep
>Stan Jonathon
>Gary Howatt
???
>George McPhee
>and Tiger who was mentioned as well as Ted Green who was before my time.
George McPhee was fearless. As a GM, recently went after the coach - Moelikin -
of the Blackhawks after a pre-season game last year.
I would say Domi, Grimson, Probert & Dave Brown where probably the best I've
seen.
The worst? Rob Ray, Mick Vukota & Barnaby.
Michael
"The flags in this country fly at half-staff to honor those that have
fallen, but the flags are the only thing going half way in this
country" - Curt Schilling
"While it is important to win, it is imperative to compete" - Dave Weinbaum
zubov
<SNIP>
>
Nobody mentioned Reggie Fleming or Carl Brewer. You and Tim are
old enough to remember them. Eddie Shack could throw 'em as well.
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-z-
>
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mpr...@aol.com (Michael Proscia) wrote:
> >Craig Berube. In his prime, he could punch out anybody.
>
> Man, I hate to disagree, but I remember him when he would lose to Chris Nilan
> on a regular basis.
But the only man ever to beat on Probert twice. If you threw with him,
you lost. He had trouble with the good hold and hit types. Langdon also
bloodied him with a late fight uppercut. One of Langdons finer moments.
I've got a tone of Berube on tape, and he wins 90%. (upper hand or
decision)
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Danny Clark
Warr
Warr
a laid back guy now.
Warr
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Tom Aimone
after that - I guess the rep.
Another psyco was Steve Durbano. He once mooned the Ranger crowd. Teddy
Irvine and Steve Vickers were chasing him. Ah the good old days.
Clark Baubles
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I was very young back then but I remember Steve Vickers to be a devastaing
fighter. I only recall him fighting a few times early in his career but
then no one would challenge him.
-C
Danny Clark
Tom Aimone <tj...@optonline.net> wrote:
Wasn't there a Houston guy on that large Flame team? And it was Nick
Fotiu who chased down the mooner Durbano. I happen to have that one on
tape along with the Milbury shoe incident. When hockey was hockey. :-D
--
Danny Clark
Lumpy
>
> >Kyte was also rated the best fighter by his peers.
>
> Jim Kyte? I have a tape of him losing to everyone.
Gord Kluzak on line 1...one of the best fights I've ever seen. Also, Kyte
and McSorely would trade decisions each game. Kyte often destroyed Tim
Hunter.
Lumpy.
Tom Aimone
Lumpy
game. Hull returned in the next period to a big standing O sporting
headgear.
I recall as a kid at the end of practice (outdoor ice, often 20-25 degrees
below) we'd have a brawl and pretend we're Durbano or Serge Beaudin or
Gilles Billedeaux, among others. They'd scare the bejesus out of anybody...
Lumpy.
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> I saw Durbano tear off Bobby Hull's hairpiece at the Winnipeg
Arena in a WHA
> game. Hull returned in the next period to a big standing O
sporting
> headgear.
>
> I recall as a kid at the end of practice (outdoor ice, often
20-25 degrees
> below) we'd have a brawl and pretend we're Durbano or Serge
Beaudin or
> Gilles Billedeaux, among others. They'd scare the bejesus out
of anybody...
>
>
someone and we were yelling at him, "You're the King, Hal, you're
the King." I don't think he caught the Shakespearian reference
--
-z-
Tom & Linda
Lads...
You seem to reminisce that the rough and tumble days were the "good old
days".
I humbly submit that 1994 was the GOOD OLD DAYS.
--Tom <---- likes a good hockey fight... but prefers parades
Chris
>
I think Kypreos has to top this list, how many opposing fists did he hurt
beating them with his face. I was at the Swamp for a game when McKay destroyed
him, we were right behind the Rangers penalty box you could see his face
swelling while he sat out the 5 minutes.
Chris
Michael Proscia
>What no mention of Twist before the run in with a car.
I'm guilty of not seeing him fight enough, though what a reputation he had.
Guy's just didn't want to mix it up with him.
How about Mark Tinordi, he was a player but when he dropped the gloves . . .
look out.
Michael Proscia
>I think Kypreos has to top this list, how many opposing fists did he hurt
>beating them with his face.
Yep, he wasn't so good. Anyone remember Jeff Brubaker? He would drop the gloves
and fall / slip before the fight would even start.
Kris King was a pretty underated fighter. He wasn't a heavy weight, but had his
moments. In a game against the B'hawks he beat up Steve Thomas then held his
own against Dave Manson.
Also, there seems to be a group of players that for a year or two can't be
beat. I would include Randy McKay, Alan May, Adam Graves, Troy Mallette, Randy
Moeller. To qualify for this catagory, you have to be named Randy or Adam:-)
Michael
zubov
> Any mention of Dave Semenko? I'd pick him over a handful on
that list, if
> only for his legendary line when skating into a
scrum..."Alright, Daddy's
> home..."
>
Lyndon Byers, who BTW, was in "Shallow Hal" (not Gill, you
preverts), was a fair brawler.
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-z-
Chris
>preverts), was a fair brawler.
>
>--
He's also part of the morning crew of Boston radio station WAAF.
Chris
Robert a Zimmerman
were afraid he'd beat the crap out of 'em? The guys on this list are pussies
compared to the undefeated Mr. F.
Bob
Lumpy wrote:
> Any mention of Dave Semenko? I'd pick him over a handful on that list, if
> only for his legendary line when skating into a scrum..."Alright, Daddy's
> home..."
>
> Lumpy.
>
> "Danny Clark" <mrp...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> > Dave Shultz
> > Terry O'Reilly
> > Bob Probert
> > Clark Gillies
> > Gordie Howe
> > Chris Nilan
> > Joey Kocur
> > Tiger Williams
> > Stu Grimnson
> > Ted Lindsay
MarkNYR
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