Sean Was A Bad Boy
Timmy B
Of course we'll never know but I sure would love to know if he was
originally going or not till the replay was shown.
Timmy
Bob Levine
A leopard doesn't change its spots.
With importance of that game and down by a goal to pull a stunt like
that shows just what he is.
Bob
Timmy B
I'm sorry Bob I didn't notice how it hurt the team? In fact it raised
the energy and eventually got them a 4-3 pp. Now if he had gone alone
then yea, you got a point.
Timmy
Arkadiy
> the energy and eventually got them a 4-3 pp.
Too bad this kind of stuff is the only thing that can raise the energy
of this team.
I think, after all the hype is over, he is starting to look like
himself -- a player with limited abilities whose primary skill is to
sh-t on everything around him. It's pathetic that we have a first
liner like this.
Arkadiy
Doug Thompson
Of course, he will be suspended until the end of the season and the
Rangers will be fined. Remember the Great Dictator GB hates the Rangers
and Dolan and will do whatever he can to punish them. Frankly, I've seen
worse things done that meted nothing....like Pronger trying to cut
Kesler with a skate..
Bob Levine
> I'm sorry Bob I didn't notice how it hurt the team? In fact it raised
> the energy and eventually got them a 4-3 pp. Now if he had gone alone
> then yea, you got a point.
It was a huge risk and a stupid move.
Bob
Bender
> Of course, he will be suspended until the end of the season and the
> Rangers will be fined. Remember the Great Dictator GB hates the Rangers
> and Dolan and will do whatever he can to punish them. Frankly, I've seen
> worse things done that meted nothing....like Pronger trying to cut
> Kesler with a skate..
Or Tim Thomas punching a defenseless guy in the face with his blocker.
Doug Thompson
Avery plays for Dolan; Dolan is not part of the inner 10 that Bettman
needs to hold his job. Thomas plays for Jacobss; Jacobs is the chair and
leader of the inner 10 that Bettman needs to hold his job. Who do you
think will be suspended and who won't be suspended?
The Viceroy of Moral Behavior
Karma for May 6th, 1997.
Timmy B
wrote:
>> I'm sorry Bob I didn't notice how it hurt the team? In fact it raised
>> the energy and eventually got them a 4-3 pp.
>
>Too bad this kind of stuff is the only thing that can raise the energy
>of this team.
Agree, sad state of affairs for the Rangers.
>
>I think, after all the hype is over, he is starting to look like
>himself -- a player with limited abilities whose primary skill is to
>sh-t on everything around him.
I disagree, I think Avery as a hockey player is underated because of
all his antics on the ice.
> It's pathetic that we have a first
>liner like this.
Says more about the team than Avery. Sean is what he is.
Timmy
Timmy B
Refresh my memory.
Timmy
Timmy B
It would have been brilliant if Thomas would have received the double
minor he deserved.
Timmy
kovy
news:m3ift4d1nng1jeh7c...@4ax.com...
Well it paid off. If it weren't for that play, they wouldn't have scored on
the 4 on 3 and gotten that OT game winner securing a huge 2 points.
Bob Levine
And what do you give a guy who intentionally whacks a goalie in the back
of the head (albeit with no intention of injuring him) during a time out?
Bob
Craig
Is this rhetorical?
2 minutes for unsportsmanlike - like he got. That's pretty much why
the penalty was invented.
C
Arkadiy
> all his antics on the ice.
So why doesn't he stop his antics and score some goals? Probably
because he is not that good at it to justify his presence on an NHL
team, is he?
And, by the way, I think what he did to Broudeur last year (Avery rule
thing) was funny. What he did yesturday was disgusting.
Arkadiy
Timmy B
<inv...@fake.address.com> wrote:
Two minutes, it deserved more?
Timmy
Doug Thompson
Bob, you are making it sound like Avery swung the stick like a base ball
bat; he didn't.
How do you square Broduer using his stick to play pool with Avery's
testicles during the Monday game. How do you square Clarkson rag-dolling
Avery and both getting penalties? How do you square Rupp attacking Avery
with the clear intent to fight/injure with LESS than five minutes left
in the game and does not get the penalty as prescribed by the rule book:
game misconduct, suspsension and team fine?
I'm no fan of Avery and his antics, but a double standard and make up
rules as you go takes more away from the integrity of the game than
Avery's actions.
Riding the fence results in a sore crotch.
-Doug
The Viceroy of Moral Behavior
> On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 18:45:42 -0700 (PDT), The Viceroy of Moral Behavior
>
> >On Apr 4, 4:55 pm, Timmy B <timb...@noptonline.net> wrote:
> >> I think he may sit a few for this one.
>
> >> Of course we'll never know but I sure would love to know if he was
> >> originally going or not till the replay was shown.
>
> >> Timmy
>
> >Karma for May 6th, 1997.
>
> Refresh my memory.
>
> Timmy
Three words. Billy Guerin's skate.
The Viceroy of Moral Behavior
Neither of them are big deals in a Todd Bertuzzi kinda way. It's just
like having a clown in his clown car doing clownish acts during a
hockey game. Most teams don't need that to get going.
Craig
I think we're underestimating the Bruins. They're basically built to
destroy teams like the Rangers who can barely score even against the
worst teams.
C
Bob Levine
> Bob Levine wrote:
>> Timmy B wrote:
>>> On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:50:31 -0400, Bob Levine
>>> <inv...@fake.address.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Timmy B wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry Bob I didn't notice how it hurt the team? In fact it raised
>>>>> the energy and eventually got them a 4-3 pp. Now if he had gone alone
>>>>> then yea, you got a point.
>>>> It was a huge risk and a stupid move.
>>>
>>> It would have been brilliant if Thomas would have received the double
>>> minor he deserved.
>>
>> And what do you give a guy who intentionally whacks a goalie in the
>> back of the head (albeit with no intention of injuring him) during a
>> time out?
>>
>> Bob
>
> Bob, you are making it sound like Avery swung the stick like a base ball
> bat; he didn't.
No...I didn't. You can read it anyway you want but I was pretty fair in
my assesment. He was looking to incite trouble and was successful.
Unsportsmanlike conduct doesn't fit this one.
> How do you square Broduer using his stick to play pool with Avery's
> testicles during the Monday game. How do you square Clarkson rag-dolling
> Avery and both getting penalties? How do you square Rupp attacking Avery
> with the clear intent to fight/injure with LESS than five minutes left
> in the game and does not get the penalty as prescribed by the rule book:
> game misconduct, suspsension and team fine?
How? Same as you...the officiating the league is a joke.
Bob
Doug Thompson
"Bob Levine" <inv...@fake.address.com> wrote in message
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> Doug Thompson wrote:
>> Bob Levine wrote:
>>> Timmy B wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:50:31 -0400, Bob Levine
>>>> <inv...@fake.address.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Timmy B wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry Bob I didn't notice how it hurt the team? In fact it raised
>>>>>> the energy and eventually got them a 4-3 pp. Now if he had gone alone
>>>>>> then yea, you got a point.
>>>>> It was a huge risk and a stupid move.
>>>>
>>>> It would have been brilliant if Thomas would have received the double
>>>> minor he deserved.
>>>
>>> And what do you give a guy who intentionally whacks a goalie in the back
>>> of the head (albeit with no intention of injuring him) during a time
>>> out?
>>>
>>> Bob
>>
>> Bob, you are making it sound like Avery swung the stick like a base ball
>> bat; he didn't.
>
> No...I didn't. You can read it anyway you want but I was pretty fair in my
> assesment. He was looking to incite trouble and was successful.
>
> Unsportsmanlike conduct doesn't fit this one.
What fits it?
>
>> How do you square Broduer using his stick to play pool with Avery's
>> testicles during the Monday game. How do you square Clarkson rag-dolling
>> Avery and both getting penalties? How do you square Rupp attacking Avery
>> with the clear intent to fight/injure with LESS than five minutes left in
>> the game and does not get the penalty as prescribed by the rule book:
>> game misconduct, suspsension and team fine?
>
> How? Same as you...the officiating the league is a joke.
>
> Bob
Why is the officiating a joke? Is there an ulterior motive?
-Doug
Bob Levine
> Why is the officiating a joke? Is there an ulterior motive?
Sadly, no...that would be easier to fix than just pure incompetence.
Bob
Timmy B
>> I disagree, I think Avery as a hockey player is underated because of
>> all his antics on the ice.
>
> So why doesn't he stop his antics
I'm not his psychiatrist.
>
and score some goals?
I said he was underrated as a player not a top line scorer. Why doesn't
Drury or Gomez score some goals.
Probably
> because he is not that good at it to justify his presence on an NHL
> team, is he?
He's a good skater who can fore check well and create chances. He
definitely has NHL skills which are overshadowed by his extra curricular
activities.
Timmy
Timmy B
Is on his foot....
Timmy
Alice Faber
wrote:
> Bob Levine wrote:
> > Timmy B wrote:
> >> On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:50:31 -0400, Bob Levine
> >> <inv...@fake.address.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Timmy B wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I'm sorry Bob I didn't notice how it hurt the team? In fact it raised
> >>>> the energy and eventually got them a 4-3 pp. Now if he had gone alone
> >>>> then yea, you got a point.
> >>> It was a huge risk and a stupid move.
> >>
> >> It would have been brilliant if Thomas would have received the double
> >> minor he deserved.
> >
> > And what do you give a guy who intentionally whacks a goalie in the back
> > of the head (albeit with no intention of injuring him) during a time out?
> >
> > Bob
>
> Bob, you are making it sound like Avery swung the stick like a base ball
> bat; he didn't.
I was listening to that part of the game on XM, which had the Bruins
radio broadcast (in other words, NOT Edwards and Brickley). They thought
that the penalty was warranted but that the hit had been closer to love
tap than whack. Actually, when I got home and finally saw the replay, it
was a harder hit than I'd expected from the description on the radio.
--
"My goal in Usenet life is to post something funny enough
to become someone's sig line!"
--Bob Horton lives his dream life
Arkadiy
> I said he was underrated as a player not a top line scorer. Why doesn't
> Drury or Gomez score some goals.
>
Why don't they?
> Probably
>
> > because he is not that good at it to justify his presence on an NHL
> > team, is he?
>
> He's a good skater who can fore check well and create chances. He
> definitely has NHL skills which are overshadowed by his extra curricular
> activities.
I guess you are right. I myself liked him a lot last year, when he
played with Dubinsky and Jagr (Now I am thinking anybody would be good
with Jagr). I guess I am just sick of all this hype around him, when
he is portrayed as a lider of this team. Nice team with such a
leader. Well I guess anything is good to generate revenue...
What I am really pissed at Tortorella about is Zherdev... I think he
totally lost him. And I do believe Zherdev would have been a key to
this postseason. Now he will probably go (there seem to be no use of
him now anyway) and we will stay here and enjoy antics of Avery. Nice
perspective.
Arkadiy
Timmy B
> And, by the way, I think what he did to Broudeur last year (Avery rule
> thing) was funny. What he did yesturday was disgusting.
Actually I feel the exact opposite. I thought the "Brodeur Screen" was,
dare I say, clownish. The love tap to Thomas's head,,,, well I've seen
worst slew foots, spears to the stomach, slashes to the groin, elbows
and sucker punches go unpunished.
Timmy
Arkadiy
> Arkadiy wrote:
> > And, by the way, I think what he did to Broudeur last year (Avery rule
> > thing) was funny. What he did yesturday was disgusting.
>
> Actually I feel the exact opposite. I thought the "Brodeur Screen" was,
> dare I say, clownish.
And this is why I think it was OK. He also didn't brake any existent
rules, which means rules are responsible for whatever he did, not him.
> The love tap to Thomas's head,,,, well I've seen
> worst slew foots, spears to the stomach, slashes to the groin, elbows
> and sucker punches go unpunished.
Many things in this world go unpunished. Doesn't make them OK, IMO.
Arkadiy
Timmy B
> On Apr 5, 7:24 pm, Timmy B <timb...@noptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> I said he was underrated as a player not a top line scorer. Why doesn't
>> Drury or Gomez score some goals.
>>
>
> Why don't they?
Gomez is more a play maker who over passes. Drury might be a case of
expecting more than what he's capable. In other words, I don't know. :-)
tivities.
> What I am really pissed at Tortorella about is Zherdev... I think he
> totally lost him. And I do believe Zherdev would have been a key to
> this postseason. Now he will probably go (there seem to be no use of
> him now anyway) and we will stay here and enjoy antics of Avery. Nice
> perspective.
I think Tortorella really has not had a chance to put his stamp on the
team. These aren't his players. Even Avery was forced on him. He's just
trying to work with what he's been given. Give him a summer to evaluate
and a training camp to run and hopefully he'll make a difference in a
good way.
Timmy
Timmy B
But we are talking sports here, not the real world. I didn't say it was
right, it definitely was a penalty. Just that I'm not shocked or
startled by it. And that has nothing to do with the fact that it was
Sean Avery being the culprit.
Timmy
Arkadiy
Avery is on the first line, and getting plenty of ice time. That
means he is exactly a Tortorella player. And Zherdev required more
attention, and maybe bending the "system" a little bit. So Tortorella
decided to allienate him.
Just imagine what could have happenned had Tortorella been able to
extract Zherdev's potential? Can you really compare Avery or Calli at
their best with Zherdev at his best?
And Calli and Every are the players Tortorella will be relying upon
next year (to say nothing bad about Calli -- I love him. But he is,
again, a third liner). Of course it would be good to have players
like Ovechkin or Kovalchuk (kind of Zherdev and Callahan in one
person). But who can now affort them?
Arkadiy
Timmy B
> On Apr 5, 8:06 pm, Timmy B <timb...@noptonline.net> wrote:
>> Arkadiy wrote:
>>> On Apr 5, 7:24 pm, Timmy B <timb...@noptonline.net> wrote:
>>>> I said he was underrated as a player not a top line scorer. Why doesn't
>>>> Drury or Gomez score some goals.
>>> Why don't they?
>> Gomez is more a play maker who over passes. Drury might be a case of
>> expecting more than what he's capable. In other words, I don't know. :-)
>> tivities.
>>
>>> What I am really pissed at Tortorella about is Zherdev... I think he
>>> totally lost him. And I do believe Zherdev would have been a key to
>>> this postseason. Now he will probably go (there seem to be no use of
>>> him now anyway) and we will stay here and enjoy antics of Avery. Nice
>>> perspective.
>> I think Tortorella really has not had a chance to put his stamp on the
>> team. These aren't his players. Even Avery was forced on him. He's just
>> trying to work with what he's been given. Give him a summer to evaluate
>> and a training camp to run and hopefully he'll make a difference in a
>> good way.
>
> Avery is on the first line, and getting plenty of ice time. That
> means he is exactly a Tortorella player.
Or maybe Tortorella is just trying to get a good fit and they clicked. I
don't know but I do know he doesn't have much time to right things.
> And Zherdev required more
> attention, and maybe bending the "system" a little bit. So Tortorella
> decided to allienate him.
I don't understand what you mean and honestly, I really don't pay that
much attention to this team to even notice it. :-(
>
> Just imagine what could have happenned had Tortorella been able to
> extract Zherdev's potential? Can you really compare Avery or Calli at
> their best with Zherdev at his best?
Well it's not like Renney was able to tap into that wealth of ability
either.
> And Calli and Every are the players Tortorella will be relying upon
> next year (to say nothing bad about Calli -- I love him. But he is,
> again, a third liner). Of course it would be good to have players
> like Ovechkin or Kovalchuk (kind of Zherdev and Callahan in one
> person). But who can now affort them?
As I see it, the problem is that the team is loaded with second and
third liners. But that's without really watching closely.
Timmy
ind...@verizon.net
> Bob Levine wrote:
> > Timmy B wrote:
> >> On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:50:31 -0400, Bob Levine
> >> <inva...@fake.address.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Timmy B wrote:
>
> >>>> I'm sorry Bob I didn't notice how it hurt the team? In fact it raised
> >>>> the energy and eventually got them a 4-3 pp. Now if he had gone alone
> >>>> then yea, you got a point.
> >>> It was a huge risk and a stupid move.
>
> >> It would have been brilliant if Thomas would have received the double
> >> minor he deserved.
>
> > And what do you give a guy who intentionally whacks a goalie in the back
> > of the head (albeit with no intention of injuring him) during a time out?
>
> > Bob
>
> Bob, you are making it sound like Avery swung the stick like a base ball
> bat; he didn't.
>
> How do you square Broduer using his stick to play pool with Avery's
> testicles during the Monday game. How do you square Clarkson rag-dolling
> Avery and both getting penalties? How do you square Rupp attacking Avery
> with the clear intent to fight/injure with LESS than five minutes left
> in the game and does not get the penalty as prescribed by the rule book:
> game misconduct, suspsension and team fine?
>
That's easy ... the NHL hates the Devils, and wants to make sure Rupp
keeps getting regular shifts.
foamy
googlegroups.com>, Bender <Jeffrey.S...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Or Tim Thomas punching a defenseless guy in the face with his blocker.
A defenseless guy who's attacking him ? Good for Thomas, you don't want
to be smacked, stay out of it.
Jim
foamy
>And this is why I think it was OK. He also didn't brake any existent
>rules, which means rules are responsible for whatever he did, not him.
He didn't break any rules ?
Sheesh.
The Viceroy of Moral Behavior
You're getting as old and senile as The Viceroy. You don't remember
the replay of Billy Guerin's skate shown on MSG's video scoreboard?
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/07/sports/messier-makes-the-call-and-devils-lose-the-game.html
Timmy B
"Messier, told of Lemaire's comments, smiled and shook his head
slowly. ''They were already talking about it,'' Messier said of the
officials.
Denis Morel, the league supervisor on duty, said Fraser told him that
the review was instigated not by the Rangers but by Jay Sharrers, one
of Fraser's linesmen, who urged the referee to check by telephone with
the video judge, Dennis McKiernan."
Seems legit. If not I'll surely trade a minor penalty for a disallowed
playoff goal. Karma is a good thing.
Timmy
FDR
He didn't. That's why they had to make the Avery rule after it.
Broadway Blue
>
> And what do you give a guy who intentionally whacks a goalie in the
> back of the head (albeit with no intention of injuring him) during a
> time out?
A pat on the back? Or a reprimand for not whacking him harder?
Was that a trick question by any chance Bob?
Bob Levine
They didn't make a rule...they clarified an existing one. That said,
certain "behavior" can't always be anticipated. The fact that his own
teammate had to skate over and tell him to can it says it all.
Bob
Timmy B
<inv...@fake.address.com> wrote:
>They didn't make a rule...they clarified an existing one. That said,
>certain "behavior" can't always be anticipated. The fact that his own
>teammate had to skate over and tell him to can it says it all.
Says what? Like many you jump to the assumption that Drury was so
taken back that he told Avery to stop? Isn't that what you're
implying?
What exactly did Drury say? Were you privy to that conversation on the
ice? Or are you just repeating a theory about appearances?
How do you know he told him to stop? What if Drury told him to set up
on this side? How about Drury warned Sean to stay out of the crease?
Or warned Avey not to touch Brodeur?
Timmy
Chris Jemmett
> FDR wrote:
> > foamy wrote:
> >> In article <b839b319-a9e2-48d9-9a49-bb4f2d44763e@b16g2000yqb
>
> >>> And this is why I think it was OK. He also didn't brake any existent
> >>> rules, which means rules are responsible for whatever he did, not him.
>
> >> He didn't break any rules ?
> >> Sheesh.
>
> > He didn't. That's why they had to make the Avery rule after it.
>
> They didn't make a rule...they clarified an existing one. That said,
> certain "behavior" can't always be anticipated. The fact that his own
> teammate had to skate over and tell him to can it says it all.
>
> Bob
The fact? Facts require proof(s), sources, I'm surprised you would be
so careless about such a key word.
Of all the things Drury could have said, "can it" would be pretty far
down the list.
Top 10 things Drury said to Avery during the Avery Rule Incident:
10) "Sean, you're going to score in about 30 seconds"
9 ) "He's going to jab you in the balls with his stick when you turn
around"
8 ) "Bettman is having an aneurysm watching this"
7 ) "If you turn around and screen him legally from well outside the
crease he will DEFINITELY jab you in the balls
with his stick"
6 ) "Sean, this is no way to get that all important hand shake at the
end of the series"
5 ) "You should have saved this move for a goalie that was going to
give us some trouble"
4 ) "Are you trying to get a rule named after you??
3 ) "Can you believe how loud that bitch is whining?"
2 ) "Do you realize that people will NEVER shut up about this"
and the #1 blah, blah, blah...
1 ) Sean, do you think I could get some of your sloppy seconds?"
Doug Thompson
Freddie did not attack Thomas. He joined the scrum and Thomas hit him with
his blocker. One could argue that was intent to injure...which may warrant a
suspension.
-Doug
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Bob Levine
> Jim,
>
> Freddie did not attack Thomas. He joined the scrum and Thomas hit him
> with his blocker. One could argue that was intent to injure...which may
> warrant a suspension.
And you accuse me of stretching the facts? Sheesh!
Bob
Doug Thompson
-Doug
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The Viceroy of Moral Behavior
LOL!
The Viceroy of Moral Behavior
> On Sun, 5 Apr 2009 18:52:03 -0700 (PDT), The Viceroy of Moral Behavior
>
>
>
> <deepzenshia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 5, 7:27 pm, Timmy B <timb...@noptonline.net> wrote:
> >> The Viceroy of Moral Behavior wrote:
>
> >> > On Apr 4, 11:51 pm, Timmy B <timb...@noptonline.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 18:45:42 -0700 (PDT), The Viceroy of Moral Behavior
>
> >> >> <deepzenshia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> On Apr 4, 4:55 pm, Timmy B <timb...@noptonline.net> wrote:
> >> >>>> I think he may sit a few for this one.
> >> >>>> Of course we'll never know but I sure would love to know if he was
> >> >>>> originally going or not till the replay was shown.
> >> >>>> Timmy
> >> >>> Karma for May 6th, 1997.
> >> >> Refresh my memory.
>
> >> >> Timmy
>
> >> > Three words. Billy Guerin's skate.
>
> >> Is on his foot....
>
> >> Timmy
>
> >You're getting as old and senile as The Viceroy. You don't remember
> >the replay of Billy Guerin's skate shown on MSG's video scoreboard?
>
>
> "Messier, told of Lemaire's comments, smiled and shook his head
> slowly. ''They were already talking about it,'' Messier said of the
> officials.
>
> Denis Morel, the league supervisor on duty, said Fraser told him that
> the review was instigated not by the Rangers but by Jay Sharrers, one
> of Fraser's linesmen, who urged the referee to check by telephone with
> the video judge, Dennis McKiernan."
>
> Seems legit. If not I'll surely trade a minor penalty for a disallowed
> playoff goal. Karma is a good thing.
>
> Timmy
The Viceroy didn't say complete karma. Just karma. All that stuff
you quoted btw doesn't negate the fact that Captain Stare came off the
bench to make sure Helen Keller knew there was something to look at.
Negation of that goal changed the series so you are right about the
context. Of course, if the Rangers make the eight spot - that karma
thing may come back. And Avery's value to the team will get that real
life test. The Viceroy guarantees the Bruins will remember - so will
it take them off their game or further focus their resolve?
Timmy B
> The Viceroy didn't say complete karma. Just karma. All that stuff
> you quoted btw doesn't negate the fact that Captain Stare came off the
> bench to make sure Helen Keller knew there was something to look at.
> Negation of that goal changed the series so you are right about the
> context. Of course, if the Rangers make the eight spot - that karma
> thing may come back. And Avery's value to the team will get that real
> life test. The Viceroy guarantees the Bruins will remember - so will
> it take them off their game or further focus their resolve?
You crack me up.
Timmy
Bob Levine
> What facts were stretched? And when did I accuse you of stretching facts?
Go back a look at what you said to me when this all started. Said I made
it sound like Avery assaulted Thomas.
Bob