Destroying Mess
Ned B.
hey pin-head... why would you want one of our guys going after Mess ? He
did not want to leave NY my violent friend.. He was forced to leave
because of management... He has no ill feelings towards the team, just
dumb-ass Neil Smith.. If it were up to him he would still be a Ranger to
this day. So don't go crazy sitting there at your computer thinking of
ways to hurt one of the greatest players to wear the blue sweater.. Find
some other hobby to keep that mind of yours occupied.. Take it easy, and
stay away from sharp pointy objects, you'll end up hurting yourself
instead and we wouldn't want that to happen now would we ?
Let's go Rangers !!!
Ned
David Glantz
Ned B. wrote:
> hey pin-head... why would you want one of our guys going after Mess ?
Good question, why would _ANY_ hockey player go after another?
> He
> did not want to leave NY my violent friend.. He was forced to leave
> because of management...
Pure nonsense. You have paid too much attention to the media wars and
in the hopes of coming to the meaning of life, you have believed every
word of the media hype that Mess provided.
> He has no ill feelings towards the team, just
> dumb-ass Neil Smith..
If anything, I give Smith credit for being intelligent enough to realize
that Mess' services (3 lousy points in the playoffs) did not warrant $20
million. Oh, worried about history? Before you bother with a reply,
check out 1996 and 1995 first. Obtaining Mess was the best move Smith
ever made... letting him go was his second best.
> If it were up to him he would still be a Ranger to
> this day. So don't go crazy sitting there at your computer thinking
> of
> ways to hurt one of the greatest players to wear the blue sweater
And Mess was adequately rewarded for 1993-94. What's wrong with the $18
million that you and I shelled out for the last three years?
> .. Find
> some other hobby to keep that mind of yours occupied.. Take it easy,
> and
> stay away from sharp pointy objects, you'll end up hurting yourself
> instead and we wouldn't want that to happen now would we ?
> Let's go Rangers !!!
>
Nothing wrong for being a Rangers fan, as I am one myself. Couldn't you
see what _REALLY_ transpired over the last three months, though?
-D.
David Glantz
Mark Dodd wrote:
> David, since you brought it up.....
>
> David Glantz wrote:
> >
> > Ned B. wrote:
> >
> > > hey pin-head... why would you want one of our guys going after
> Mess ?
> >
> > Good question, why would _ANY_ hockey player go after another?
> >
> > > He
> > > did not want to leave NY my violent friend.. He was forced to
> leave
> > > because of management...
> >
> > Pure nonsense. You have paid too much attention to the media wars
> and
> > in the hopes of coming to the meaning of life, you have believed
> every
> > word of the media hype that Mess provided.
>
> C'mon, David. Noone put a gun to Mess's head but we've been over this
>
> ground ad naseum. The fact is the Rangers get the players they
> want....and they no longer wanted Mess. Ask Brian Leetch or do you
> think his take is less informed than yours or mine?
> >
> > > He has no ill feelings towards the team, just
> > > dumb-ass Neil Smith..
> >
> > If anything, I give Smith credit for being intelligent enough to
> realize
> > that Mess' services (3 lousy points in the playoffs) did not warrant
> $20
> > million.
>
> The Rangers would've never had to spend $20 million and of course,
> we'll
> never know what it would've taken as Smith wasn't negogiating beyond
> his
> take-it-or-leave-it 4.6. MSG told the media it was 10.5 so - you're
> right, the media did misinform - though not their fault.
>
> Oh, worried about history? Before you bother with a reply,
> > check out 1996 and 1995 first. Obtaining Mess was the best move
> Smith
> > ever made... letting him go was his second best.
>
> You make Ned's point about Neil wanting him out. If you think
> "letting
> Mess go" was his second best move, I'm not sure I'd want to see the
> third, fourth and fifth.. Didn't Mess lead the team with 35 goals and
>
> something like 46 assists? Preseason looks good, but are you ready to
>
> say the Rangers have now solved their void at first line center?
> >
> > > If it were up to him he would still be a Ranger to
> > > this day. So don't go crazy sitting there at your computer
> thinking
> > > of
> > > ways to hurt one of the greatest players to wear the blue sweater
> >
> > And Mess was adequately rewarded for 1993-94. What's wrong with the
> $18
> > million that you and I shelled out for the last three years?
>
> But wanting to the blueshirts to injure him now? Don't you think that
>
> is just a touch of, shall we say, fan ingratitude. It is not
> particularly attractive.
> >
> > > .. Find
> > > some other hobby to keep that mind of yours occupied.. Take it
> easy,
> > > and
> > > stay away from sharp pointy objects, you'll end up hurting
> yourself
> > > instead and we wouldn't want that to happen now would we ?
> > > Let's go Rangers !!!
> > >
> >
> > Nothing wrong for being a Rangers fan, as I am one myself. Couldn't
> you
> > see what _REALLY_ transpired over the last three months, though?
>
> Me thinks it's not Ned's post that is clueless here.
>
> Make a deal, David....we will both refrain from responding to this
> beaten-to-death thread. Whaddah say?
It might be rather hard to do Mark. After all, there will be plenty of
strays wandering in here to make these sorts of assertions.
I'm not saying that I know more than Leetch, you or even Ned regarding
what really transpired. You and I have disagreed regarding this and
have shaken hands (figuratively speaking) on the subject, continuing to
disagree. While both sides probably are somewhat to blame for the media
circus, we can't change that which has already occurred. Smith wanted
to either sign Mess to a single year or get rid of him. All I can add
at this stage is to mention that a chapter in Ranger history has come to
a close and it is time to move forward into the future.
-D.
PS: And no, the Rangers have not solved the top-two-line center or goal
scoring issues. Then again, it's also clear that this is not of crisis
proportions because of how others have already stepped up their game.
Meg
Lisa Kriwonos wrote:
>
> In article <6076ct$98g$2...@news.goodnet.com> ej2...@pop.goodnet.com (Ned B.) writes:
> >hey pin-head... why would you want one of our guys going after Mess ? He
> >did not want to leave NY my violent friend.. He was forced to leave
> >dumb-ass Neil Smith.. If it were up to him he would still be a Ranger to
>
> I don't know why so many Rangers fans are this mad at N. Smith. Okay, I
> understand how much it hurts to watch a great player such as a Messier
> walk away but I tend to look at it further. Personally as a Flyers fan,
> I would have LOVED to see the Rangers give Messier 6 million a year over 3
> years. 6 Million for a 36 year old Messier is okay but 6 million for a
> 38-39 year old Messier is downright crazy. The Rangers are an aging team
> and is in need to start rebuilding. I think it was a good move for Smith
> to bite the bullet and walk away now so he can take that $ and use it for
> a younger player.
>
> Also, I don't blame Messier one bit for going to Vancouver. Think of it
> this way....say you are one year away from retirement and for some crazy
> reason you want to continue to work ;). Your present employer will only
> give you one year while a rival company will give you 3 years. What would
> you do? I'd walk no matter how loyal I may have been to my company. Same
> goes for Messier.
>
> Just my opinion but I think both sides did what they needed to do.
>
> Lisa
Rangers need to start rebuilding....ya and they are still adding 30+
year old players to their team. If I were a Ranger Fan I would be one
to start questioning Neil Smith and what he's thinking. He's still in
that Cup NOW mode. But Skrudland...Keane and now LaFontaine?
Jeff Gest
Meg wrote:
Who asked you? Go to alt.sports.hockey.filly.losers
Lisa Kriwonos
Mark Dodd
David, since you brought it up.....
David Glantz wrote:
>
> Ned B. wrote:
>
> > hey pin-head... why would you want one of our guys going after Mess ?
>
> Good question, why would _ANY_ hockey player go after another?
>
> > He
> > did not want to leave NY my violent friend.. He was forced to leave
> > because of management...
>
> Pure nonsense. You have paid too much attention to the media wars and
> in the hopes of coming to the meaning of life, you have believed every
> word of the media hype that Mess provided.
C'mon, David. Noone put a gun to Mess's head but we've been over this
ground ad naseum. The fact is the Rangers get the players they
want....and they no longer wanted Mess. Ask Brian Leetch or do you
think his take is less informed than yours or mine?
>
> > He has no ill feelings towards the team, just
> > dumb-ass Neil Smith..
>
> If anything, I give Smith credit for being intelligent enough to realize
> that Mess' services (3 lousy points in the playoffs) did not warrant $20
> million.
The Rangers would've never had to spend $20 million and of course, we'll
never know what it would've taken as Smith wasn't negogiating beyond his
take-it-or-leave-it 4.6. MSG told the media it was 10.5 so - you're
right, the media did misinform - though not their fault.
Oh, worried about history? Before you bother with a reply,
> check out 1996 and 1995 first. Obtaining Mess was the best move Smith
> ever made... letting him go was his second best.
You make Ned's point about Neil wanting him out. If you think "letting
Mess go" was his second best move, I'm not sure I'd want to see the
third, fourth and fifth.. Didn't Mess lead the team with 35 goals and
something like 46 assists? Preseason looks good, but are you ready to
say the Rangers have now solved their void at first line center?
>
> > If it were up to him he would still be a Ranger to
GretzkyGrl
>Rangers need to start rebuilding....ya and they are still adding 30+ year
old players to their team. If I were a Ranger Fan I would be one to start
questioning Neil Smith and what he's thinking. He's still in that Cup NOW
mode. But Skrudland...Keane and now LaFontaine? >
The "Cup NOW" mode has left us exactly in the same position as most of our
rivals who are "rebuilding"...trying hard but still without a Cup in the
past three years. Well, actually, the Flyers haven't won a Cup in 22
years, the Isles in 14 (the Devils, of course, won the Cup in '95).
What exactly is wrong with 30+ year old players? I haven't seen a team
comprised of mostly young pups win the Cup lately, have you? The past two
Cup winners have had youngsters but also a generous sprinkling of the "old"
guys. I don't know how old you are but 32 and 33 are not old (the ages of
Keane and LaFontaine, and Skrudland, respectively), not even for hockey players.
Gretz...@aol.com
2,705 points and counting
Meg
No early thirties is not old by any means. What I'm saying is that like
most teams Flyers included they are bringing in youth, acquiring youth
and mixing them in with the more seasoned players.
Granted it's rare to bring in an 18 year old such as Zubrus for the
Flyers and have them play as well as he did. Normally a player his age
is still in the Jr's. My thoughts were that Neil Smith seems
determined to bring in the more seasoned players.
Recently he was willing to trade a 20 year old player in favour of a 32
year old player. Granted LaFontaine was and I say was because no one
really knows for sure what he will do or how well he will play.
It's not me that's just saying this I'm sure you read last year over and
over again that the Rangers are an older team. And so far prior to the
season starting they haven't gotten any younger.
GretzkyGrl
>It's not me that's just saying this I'm sure you read last year over and
over again that the Rangers are an older team. And so far prior to the
season starting they haven't gotten any younger.>
Everyone says it which is why it annoys me so much. Actually, without
Messier, the average age of the Rangers must have decreased. It was 31.6
last year; let's see where it ends up.
en4cer
In article <6076ct$98g$2...@news.goodnet.com>,
ej2...@pop.goodnet.com (Ned B.) wrote:
>hey pin-head... why would you want one of our guys going after Mess ? He
>did not want to leave NY my violent friend.. He was forced to leave
>because of management... He has no ill feelings towards the team, just
>dumb-ass Neil Smith.. If it were up to him he would still be a Ranger to
>this day. So don't go crazy sitting there at your computer thinking of
>ways to hurt one of the greatest players to wear the blue sweater.. Find
>some other hobby to keep that mind of yours occupied.. Take it easy, and
>stay away from sharp pointy objects, you'll end up hurting yourself
>instead and we wouldn't want that to happen now would we ?
>Let's go Rangers !!!
>
>Ned
>
Helloooooooo, mcfly......
The Messier files.....
1.) wait to do my contract
2.) Money does not matter
3.) Wayne, come to NY so we can end our careers together
4.) I want to play in NY
All said by Messier. All apparently lies.
I for one am glad he did not come back. He used to lead by example. But for
the last season and a 1/2 it was do as I say, not as I do.
En4cer
2 time RSPWWCW tag Team Champions
That's very funny Mr. Scott, now beam down my clothes
1997 record 7-2 3.36 era, .476 b
Ebase
> >
> > Rangers need to start rebuilding....ya and they are still adding 30+
> > year old players to their team. If I were a Ranger Fan I would be one
> > to start questioning Neil Smith and what he's thinking. He's still in
> > that Cup NOW mode. But Skrudland...Keane and now LaFontaine?
> This advice coming from a Philly fan? For starters Skrudland and Keane were brought in
> not for their offensive prowess but for their checking abilities. Keane is fierce and was
> clearly one of the top 3 most sought after prizes this summer. Why? The answer is simple,
> because he is so damn good. Every team in the NHL wants a Mike Keane on it. A guy who
> will play with guts and determination every night. A guy with a mean streak and the
> skills to shut down anyone in the NHL. Skrudland although, less reliable is a solid third
> round center who is one of the top 10 faceoff guys in the NHL, an experienced and capable
> center who had field day on Lindros two years ago. Skrudland for years has been making
> life hell for the big guns of the NHL. Come playoff time, no one is going to want this
> tandem + Berg up against them. They may very well prove to be the best checking unit in
> the NHL and that is what you need to win. The Rangers had a pitiful unit last season.
> They went from a dismal unit to a great unit overnight.
As far as being in cup mode? The Rangers since 91 are always in cup mode. Granted we
have seen some blunders but last season playoff drive was nothing short of spectacular
considering who they had on the ice. This season the Rangers are again fused with great
talent, and don't give me that old shit because second to Gretzky, Driver, and Lidster we
are a young team with most of our best players hitting prime right now. And anyone who
wants to second guess Gretzky had better look at the numbers. I hope you think he will
fall, because once again, he will overcome. that is why he is the greatest ever. Add that
we have drafted very strong to fill in our weaknesses now and we need a center which we
will get, and we will ice a team that can muck with any in the NHL including the all mighty
Flyers. That being said, I say if the Flyers want the cup, let them come through us to get
it!!! E
Meg
What have you been smoking? You have tried to go thru us to get it.
Two failed attempts within the last three years.
And when was Keane so high on everyones list??? I know Luke Richardson
was a player that was in demand this summer. And that's not blowing
hot air that's a fact Jack.. Wether he'll meet expectations that yet to
be seen.
Think you better jump down from the pulpit now or you'll break a leg.
GretzkyGrl
>And when was Keane so high on everyones list??? >
I clearly remember Keane being touted as a very valuable free agent even
before July 1st came upon us.
>I know Luke Richardson was a player that was in demand this summer. >
He was, but his stock was not as high as Messier's, Keane's or
Skrudland's. And, don't forget Glen Sather said "he's not worth it".
Steve Zipser (Sunshine Stereo, Inc.)
Mr. Ranger wrote:
>
> >
> >What have you been smoking? You have tried to go thru us to get it.
> >Two failed attempts within the last three years.
> It didn't last long. Mr. Neil Smith grabbed BOTH
> highly coveted "UNRESTRICTED" free agents this summer.
> Leaving none for the slower, stupider GM's
>
> > I know Luke Richardson
> >was a player that was in demand this summer. And that's not blowing
> >hot air that's a fact Jack.. Wether he'll meet expectations that yet to
> >be seen.
> seasons ago. Everyone said philly was to too SLOW, BIG and STUPID.
> they made it past a several highly injured teams last year and were
> destroyed by the QUICKER, MORE TALENTED Red Wings.
> So what do they do ?
> Go out and get 2 more BIG, SLOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW,
> STUPID, players.
> You have NO SPEED, and NO TALENT.
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GretzkyGrl wrote:
>
> >And when was Keane so high on everyones list??? >
>
> before July 1st came upon us.
>
>
> Skrudland's. And, don't forget Glen Sather said "he's not worth it".
>
> Gretz...@aol.com
> 2,705 points and counting
Well from what I know Keane took the first offer that came along and
that was thru the New York Rangers. Colorado didn't even tender an
offer to him. He's pretty much been a checking forward and not much of
a goal producer. You might want to check but I don't think he's scored
much than 16 goals a season. Him being (30) years old he wouldn't have
been on my list as a must have. Skrudland (34) pretty much the same and
he's scored less than Keane.
Sather said that then yes I read that about Luke Richardson and he's
still complaining today about losing him, just couldn't afford to keep
him on. Richardson is known as a tuff blueliner. How he will work out
and did we get our money's worth I guess we'll have to wait and see.
GretzkyGrl
>Well from what I know Keane took the first offer that came along and that
was thru the New York Rangers. Colorado didn't even tender an offer to
him. He's pretty much been a checking forward and not much of a goal
producer. You might want to check but I don't think he's scored much than
16 goals a season. Him being (30) years old he wouldn't have been on my
list as a must have. Skrudland (34) pretty much the same and he's scored
less than Keane.>
Keane and Skrudland were not acquired to score goals. They were acquired
to form a tough checking third line. They are known for their defense and
character. I refer you to a story in The Hockey News (current issue)
regarding "Character Players". Out of the top 10, three are New York
Rangers...and Keane & Skrudland are two of them, with Adams Graves rounding
out the group (and leading the NHL is this THN category).
You're right; we'll have to wait and see whether these acquisitions pan
out. But I have a feeling the Keane acquisition is the one all fans will
be talking about come playoff time.
Mr. Ranger
>
>What have you been smoking? You have tried to go thru us to get it.
>Two failed attempts within the last three years.
>And when was Keane so high on everyones list???
From the time he announced he was going free agent.
It didn't last long. Mr. Neil Smith grabbed BOTH
highly coveted "UNRESTRICTED" free agents this summer.
Leaving none for the slower, stupider GM's
> I know Luke Richardson
Meg
HIGHLY injured teams....lol. Don't forget also that the FLyers were
suffering from injury going into the series with Detroit were missing
players on our defense that were hurt..
So you want to use that excuse than both can play that way !!
Ebase
>
>
> What have you been smoking? You have tried to go thru us to get it.
> Two failed attempts within the last three years.
Just to comment on that, to me it is all about cups. I do not care who we fell to, only that we
fell. If Philly is in the path than we have to go through them to get to the next level? So be
it. A cup is all that matters as it should be the only thing that matters to you. In my eyes both
teams are in the same boat, they lost. How or why is not important but the Wings have the cup and
I did not get to celebrate. I will not subscribe to the all mighty Flyer hysteria. Any team can
be beat. It's a matter of icing your team and cheering for them through the drama of it all. I
make no excuses for our failures, you beat us. Keep in mind though that now we are a deeper club
and far more defensively sound. If you do not see that then I don't know what to say but rest
assured the Rangers will be in your face win or lose.
> And when was Keane so high on everyones list??? I know Luke Richardson
> was a player that was in demand this summer. And that's not blowing
> hot air that's a fact Jack.. Wether he'll meet expectations that yet to
> be seen.
>
No Meg, it is you that needs to get down. Richardson was not the ticket this summer, Keane was.
Anyone with half a brain knew that Keane was going to be the big deal. Skrudland was not in the
same league but Keane clearly was the piece that everyone wanted. Luke Richardson was a nice pick
up and as it turns out a bidding war erupted on him, which drove his price tag up. Many teams
want a big solid defensive stay at home defensmen. Philly scored on him but also paid the price
which I think was ludicrous (but we don't pay the bills so who really cares) We got ours in
Buekeboom and frankly, Buek is the mold for that type of player. Going into battle I still would
take Buek over Richardson not because of homerism but because of experience. I will not diminish
the value of Richardson to a club but he is not the kind of player that Keane is. The Rangers
have coveted this guy for years to no avail and before it got messy he was signed, sealed and
delivered to NY. The only thing that shadowed over this signing was the Messier fiasco and the
events that followed with Sakic and Gratton. Keane was the ticket, if you read scouting reports,
free agent reports and are just educated beyond the realm of Philly (which I think you are) you
would know the interest in Keane was massive dispite the fact that it never erupted into a frenzy
like it did with Richardon. The Rangers clearly got a great piece with him. He is a firecracker
and brings up everyone's intensity. A good on ice war crier. Remember the way he called Detroit
gutless? The mark of a ballsy hockey player. He would have thrived in the original 6 league and
Meg, remember his name because he has made a career out of shutting down superstars, and he wins
the battles more then he loses them. The same goes for Skrudland.
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