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Cindy

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Mar 30, 2003, 2:19:04 AM3/30/03
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The New York Rangers' playoff hopes have been slim for some time.

But after a dismal loss to the undermanned Pittsburgh Penguins on Wednesday
night, those hopes are now all but dead.

As a result, the small-minded and the petty are rejoicing.

They see it as a wonderful development that the Rangers are out of the
picture. Somehow, using that fuzzy thought process that they employ to
compensate for their inability to apply logic, they determine that this is
good for hockey.

At least, that's what they say. There's a good chance that this is nothing
more than a rationalization to justify the most deeply entrenched emotion in
the Canadian psyche -- envy.

If you are truly a hockey fan, you have to put aside the petty prejudices.

What matters is that the huge and influential New York market has just taken
a major hit.

It is irrelevant that the Islanders and the New Jersey Devils will go into
the playoffs. They're not Manhattan teams. Whether we like it or not, in the
United States, the New York market, to usurp a quote from Reggie Jackson, is
the straw that stirs the drink.

Had the Rangers been able to make some sort of playoff run, they could have
dominated the fickle New York market -- and by doing so, given hockey a
boost it so badly needs.

Is it not reasonable to assume that if hockey's popularity grows, especially
in the U.S., the game will be better for it? And is it not reasonable to
assume that New York is the single most important locale to develop that
growth?

http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoSports/ts.ts-03-29-0126.html


EZoto

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Mar 30, 2003, 8:40:49 AM3/30/03
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It is the NHL's fault, Dolan's fault and the city's fault. All they
think about is making as much money as they can and think they can buy
a championship. You can't. Even Steinbrenner had to learn the hard
way that to spend money you have to invest it properly. All those
years steinbrenner spent his money and the Yankees never went
anywhere. Finally he let the real baseball people take over and they
nurtured players from there farm system and they grew up in the Yankee
organization and now they were successful. Problem is that now they
spend their money on there own players and not Free Agents but it
didn't last long and Ol' George is thinking he can buy a championship
again. Nope. His time is past. It is time to nurture players from
the farm system again. Rangers will never do that. And Dolan is
still a psycho who will do everything he can to black out the Devils
and Islanders from TV. Ah yes. The Rangers and Knicks are in good
hands indeed.

EZoto

Roger Sherman

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Mar 30, 2003, 9:16:12 AM3/30/03
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:40:22 -0500, JohnDoe wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:19:04 GMT, "Cindy" <cindy...@att.net> wrote:
>
>>The New York Rangers' playoff hopes have been slim for some time.

> is this the rag$ newsgroup?
> if I want news about the rag$ I'll go to their newsgroup


LOL...man, it's been a while since this dumb bastard has tried to play
newsgroup police. Let's see, the last time was with Katie Baker.

But, there's been plenty posted about the Rangers lately, Marc - most of
it less related to the Devils than what Cindy posted (maybe you're too
dense to see the connection). But you didn't take any of them on - afraid
of taking on someone who isn't a woman?

Pathetic.

Roger Sherman

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Mar 30, 2003, 10:36:17 AM3/30/03
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 09:45:59 -0500, JohnDoe wrote:

> I wouldn't want to embarrass you,


Heh...yeah, of course you don't. Safer to embarrass the ladies.

Keith

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Mar 30, 2003, 11:36:16 AM3/30/03
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With the Rangers and Devils being not only division rivals, but very
close geographic rivals as well, how can we NOT discuss them.

PLUS, given all the crap Devils fans took from Ranger Fans since 1982,
it's only fair. This NG used to be littered with Ranger fans putting us
down and our team down. And this was after the Devils Won their 1st
Stanley Cup, and we still got crap from some Ranger fans. So if we want
to dicuss Rangers issues, what's the big deal?

And the article Cindy posted was about hockey in General, not JUST about
the Rangers. The author was trying to make a point about the overall
popularity of the game, and how the Rangers missing the playoffs could
bring that down. I don't necesarily agree with him there. Just like when
the Yankees played the Mets in the World Series, many folks across the
country were not as interested in the World Series as they would have
been had someone else been playing 1 of those teams. If the Rangers
aren't in the playoffs, how does that affect anyone outside of the NY
market?

JohnDoe wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:19:04 GMT, "Cindy" <cindy...@att.net> wrote:
>
>

>>The New York Rangers' playoff hopes have been slim for some time.
>

> is this the rag$ newsgroup?
> if I want news about the rag$ I'll go to their newsgroup

--


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"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue!"

http://www.justanotherwebsite.com




Al Giglio

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Mar 30, 2003, 12:00:31 PM3/30/03
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If they really want to develop fans, the Rangers should move
to Quebec. Then the NY Media can devote time to promoting
the best hockey team in the area, the Devils. Fans will
flock to the Meadowlands to see quality hockey instead of
expensively futile hockey.

Al G.

Viceroy Of Verbiage

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Mar 30, 2003, 6:30:56 PM3/30/03
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Given the extraordinary glee that fat-walleted, lion-hearted Glen
Sather took last July in lifting the green-eyed Holik from the largest
salary offer the Devils org ever made (more than Brodeur and more than
Stevens) and combine that with how the Rangers stick their third
finger in the eyes of Devils fans with their acquisition of the Devils
telecast rights and the siphoning off of 20+ games annually onto a
channel that's blacked out to a majority of the Devils immediate fan
base.....taking glee at Ranger misfortunes is not only allowed but a
requirement.

Keith <ke...@spamsux.reversethelast2.com.justanotherwebsite> wrote in message news:<42Fha.17379$VM3.5...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...

Bob Levine

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Mar 30, 2003, 6:54:06 PM3/30/03
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Nick Ruchalski wrote:
> On 30 Mar 2003 15:30:56 -0800, viceroyo...@yahoo.com (Viceroy Of

> Verbiage) wrote:
>
>
>>Given the extraordinary glee that fat-walleted, lion-hearted Glen
>>Sather took last July in lifting the green-eyed Holik from the largest
>>salary offer the Devils org ever made (more than Brodeur and more than
>>Stevens) and combine that with how the Rangers stick their third
>>finger in the eyes of Devils fans with their acquisition of the Devils
>>telecast rights and the siphoning off of 20+ games annually onto a
>>channel that's blacked out to a majority of the Devils immediate fan
>>base.....taking glee at Ranger misfortunes is not only allowed but a
>>requirement.
>>
>
>
> Is this a new NG sentence length record?
>
>
If it is, it's only because he broke it own. :)

Bob

Danny D

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Mar 30, 2003, 8:05:40 PM3/30/03
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I've long ago disabused myself of the notion that what's good for the NHL as
a business is good for me as a fan. I think the idea of becoming too "big
league" like the other 3 sports has only served to ridiculously inflate
salaries and in turn drive the cost of the product up - the real reason sell
outs are at a premium - not just in New Jersey but places like Boston, an
original-6 city that has been in a playoff position all year that routinely
draws 13 and 14k? The Rangers being in the playoffs or not is not going to
change the practical fiscal reality of the league - actually the fact that
they DON'T make it and a team Ottawa can succeed may keep some of the these
owners from inflating salaries even more.

So there's a good reason why the Ranger$ shouldn't make the playoffs.

That and it would their golf handicaps...
-Dan


Cindy

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Mar 30, 2003, 8:45:19 PM3/30/03
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you're absolutely right....now run along.

JohnDoe wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:19:04 GMT, "Cindy" <cindy...@att.net> wrote:
>

>> The New York Rangers' playoff hopes have been slim for some time.

Roger Sherman

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Mar 30, 2003, 10:54:21 PM3/30/03
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 01:45:19 +0000, Cindy wrote:

> you're absolutely right....now run along.


ROFL!!!

How you been, Cindy?

Cindy

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Mar 30, 2003, 11:43:12 PM3/30/03
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Doing good, Rog - still hanging out in Nevada....waiting for the snow to
quit in Montana <g> How's the little drummer boy? Read something
interesting about the Baby Devils the other day - Lemaire is a sly fox with
his goalie rotation....

"For the record, Lemaire has played Roloson in all four games against the
Red
Wings, their current first-round opponent. He went 2-2-0. For the record,
Lemaire played Fernandez in all four games against the Stars, another
potential first-round opponent. He went 3-1-0.

Anyone else see a pattern here? While Lemaire says he just throws his
goalies out there and lets them play on whatever date comes up, he has
juggled the schedule perfectly to give his netminders equal opportunities
against the contenders. If the Wild play the Red Wings, Roloson has to be
the goalie. If it's the Stars, count on Fernandez in net."

http://espn.go.com/nhl/columns/heika_mike/1530765.html

Viceroy Of Verbiage

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Mar 31, 2003, 9:30:15 AM3/31/03
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Bob Levine <robjlevi...@netscape.net> wrote in message news:<3E8783A2...@netscape.net>...

Be kind. The Viceroy did perform it as a single paragraph. The ol'
gameshape Viceroy could've followed it with 123 more. Unfortunately
this is the best the ol' shell-of-former-self Viceroy can splice
together these days.

Roger Sherman

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Mar 31, 2003, 2:35:32 PM3/31/03
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 04:43:12 +0000, Cindy wrote:

> Doing good, Rog - still hanging out in Nevada....waiting for the snow to
> quit in Montana <g> How's the little drummer boy?

Heh...doing OK! Hanging out in Jersey, biding my time...;-)

> Read something
> interesting about the Baby Devils the other day - Lemaire is a sly fox with
> his goalie rotation....
>
> "For the record, Lemaire has played Roloson in all four games against the
> Red
> Wings, their current first-round opponent. He went 2-2-0. For the record,
> Lemaire played Fernandez in all four games against the Stars, another
> potential first-round opponent. He went 3-1-0.
>
> Anyone else see a pattern here?


You mean like when he was in Jersey, and played Brodeur and Terreri in the
same amount of games, but gave Brodeur the important ones? Nah, not at
all! ;-)

Rob 7ManUtd

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Apr 2, 2003, 1:24:43 AM4/2/03
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>If they really want to develop fans, the Rangers should move
> to Quebec. Then the NY Media can devote time to promoting
>the best hockey team in the area, the Devils. Fans will
>flock to the Meadowlands to see quality hockey instead of
>expensively futile hockey.

when did it become the medias job to promote NHL teams?

Al Giglio

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Apr 3, 2003, 5:48:39 PM4/3/03
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I was responding to the post which said that the promotion
in the NY Area was vital to league growth.
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