Corson vs Turgeon
Paul Tanasi
Nice job Reggie!
Corson since the trade 13gp 4g 5a
Turgeon since the trade 11gp 1g 3a
And imagine, Keenan even threw Baron in!
(ok, Conroy has 3 goals and Fitzpatrick has yet to prove himself, but for
now it looks JUST GREAT!)
--
Paul Tanasi 11-21-10 24-19 33 pth...@intranet.ca
Steve Ranta
In article <57b8cq$5...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
bn...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Paul Tanasi) wrote:
> Nice job Reggie!
>
> Corson since the trade 13gp 4g 5a
> Turgeon since the trade 11gp 1g 3a
>
I don't see how Turgeon playing worse than anyone expected since the trade
makes Reggie look better. How do Corson's recent numbers compare to
Turgeon's before the trade?
--
Steve Ranta
Mark Christopher Flick
Paul Tanasi (bn...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
: Nice job Reggie!
: Corson since the trade 13gp 4g 5a
: Turgeon since the trade 11gp 1g 3a
: And imagine, Keenan even threw Baron in!
: (ok, Conroy has 3 goals and Fitzpatrick has yet to prove himself, but for
: now it looks JUST GREAT!)
: --
Yeah, but this trade isn't supposed to be offense for offense (like Recchi
for Leclair). This was to get the habs toughness and defense. But it is an
added bonus!
--
LaTeR.
****************************************
*"Lovely Party, Pity I wasn't invited"***
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Gerry Warner
> > Nice job Reggie!
> >
> > Corson since the trade 13gp 4g 5a
> > Turgeon since the trade 11gp 1g 3a
> I don't see how Turgeon playing worse than anyone expected since the trade
> makes Reggie look better. How do Corson's recent numbers compare to
> Turgeon's before the trade?
What about Turgeon's numbers before he came to the Habs? Hey, the
guy lost it after 1994, and the talented Habs had been propping
him up ever since. Now that he's on the Blues he has reverted
to the form of his '95 season with the Isles...basically he's just
a 60-pt floater. :)
BTW, Steve, how can you complain about the Corson/Turgeon swap?
I thought "Mr. Corey's policy" of dealing troublemaker heart-and-soul
types like Corson and picking up "nice" PR guys like Turgeon was
supposed to be what has sunk the Habs in recent years. Now they
reverse the trend, dealing a softie for a brawling heart-and-soul
character, and you're still complaining?! Can't please you, eh?
****************/CCCCCCCCCCC|*****************************************
Gerry Warner |C|~~|H__H|~~~ 17 11 42 Player Of The Day:
AE, CU |C|__|H~~H|___ 34 52 Shayne Corson
****************\CCCCCCCCCCC|******* 41 ******************************
Paul Tanasi
Mark Christopher Flick (mfl...@is.dal.ca) writes:
> : --
> Yeah, but this trade isn't supposed to be offense for offense (like Recchi
> for Leclair). This was to get the habs toughness and defense. But it is an
> added bonus!
And it has added toughness! Notice when Corson's on the ice the other
teams tends to turn away from any after the play BS. Corson's well
respected in the league which makes him an even bigger asset.
Paul Tanasi
Steve Ranta (sra...@macwest.org) writes:
> In article <57b8cq$5...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Paul Tanasi) wrote:
>
>> Nice job Reggie!
>>
>> Corson since the trade 13gp 4g 5a
>> Turgeon since the trade 11gp 1g 3a
>>
>
> I don't see how Turgeon playing worse than anyone expected since the trade
> makes Reggie look better. How do Corson's recent numbers compare to
> Turgeon's before the trade?
Before the trade Turgeon was 11gp 1g 10a
Before the trade Corson was 10gp 1g 2a
(or there abouts)
That's proof enough that Reggie gets two thumbs up on this deal.
Plus we get rid of a floater and get two gritty players who've helped this
team both offensively and defensively. Corson can even kill penalties and
win faceoffs, something Turgeon wasn't too good at.
Vizh
Marc Caron wrote:
>
> I'm not happy with that trade at all, I like Corson, but I feel we got
> robbed on it. We could've taken MUCH more and I feel that other GMs
> are taking advantage of Houle's lack of experience.
I'm getting pretty sick of hearing how the big bad GM's are taking
advantage of poor little Rejean. Did Pierre Lacroix get taken for a
ride in his first couple of seasons as GM? Did Pierre Gauthier over in
Ottawa? You get taken for a ride if you set yourself up for one,
regardless of who you are and how long you've been around.
GMs aren't going to pass up a trade that could help their teams just
because the other guy's a rookie and they wanna go all-or-nothing. I
suspect GMs couldn't care less who they're negociating trades with, they
just look at what they're getting and what they're giving up.
Now if you wanna say Houle made bad trades due to his inexperience, then
you may or may not have a case. But there's no conspiracy in the NHL
against rookie GMs, as far as I know.
--
(c) Vizh 1996, all rights reserved.
IN DOGS WE THRUST
Steve Ranta
In article <57ddo5$r...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>, gwa...@chat.carleton.ca
(Gerry Warner) wrote:
. . .
> BTW, Steve, how can you complain about the Corson/Turgeon swap?
> I thought "Mr. Corey's policy" of dealing troublemaker heart-and-soul
> types like Corson and picking up "nice" PR guys like Turgeon was
> supposed to be what has sunk the Habs in recent years.. . .
I agree that this year's Habs need players like Corson more than they need
players like Turgeon.
What bothered me about the original post was that it seemed to
congratulate Houle for making a deal in which the other team appears to
have lost badly, and it expressed satisfaction about Turgeon playing
badly.
It's better to make people happy to trade with you by making sure both
sides get a good deal. Also, if a player has a rough ride with one team,
I wish that he would do better after a trade, not worse.
I wish Turgeon luck with his new team.
--
Steve Ranta
Steve Ranta
In article <57fgmj$h...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>, gwa...@chat.carleton.ca
(Gerry Warner) wrote:
. . .
> I think the idea is to nail the other side
> to the wall, to burn them as badly as possible on the deal, and
> to hell with making them happy. Seriously, if we can trade junk
> for quality players, then so much the better. . . . There's nothing
special to be gained by
> making the other team happy, and you're just increasing the odds
> of losing on a deal by even trying to.
Your naive attitude towards deal-making certainly does a lot to explain
why you seem unable to appreciate other aspects of mismanagement, such as
Corey's power-tripping.
--
Steve Ranta
Gerry Warner
Steve Ranta (sra...@macwest.org) wrote:
> In article <57ddo5$r...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>, gwa...@chat.carleton.ca
> (Gerry Warner) wrote:
> > BTW, Steve, how can you complain about the Corson/Turgeon swap?
> > I thought "Mr. Corey's policy" of dealing troublemaker heart-and-soul
> > types like Corson and picking up "nice" PR guys like Turgeon was
> > supposed to be what has sunk the Habs in recent years.. . .
> I agree that this year's Habs need players like Corson more than they need
> players like Turgeon.
> What bothered me about the original post was that it seemed to
> congratulate Houle for making a deal in which the other team appears to
> have lost badly, and it expressed satisfaction about Turgeon playing
> badly.
O-kay...
> It's better to make people happy to trade with you by making sure both
> sides get a good deal.
(Good grief...do I detect an attempt to criticize Reggie for making
*too good* a trade here?!!?)
I think the idea is to nail the other side
to the wall, to burn them as badly as possible on the deal, and
to hell with making them happy. Seriously, if we can trade junk
for quality players, then so much the better. If the average
GM is around for 5 years, and the average team makes 10 trades of
significance during that time...what are the odds that you ever
want to deal with the same GM again anyway? (Unless you can
smoke him again! :). There's nothing special to be gained by
making the other team happy, and you're just increasing the odds
of losing on a deal by even trying to.
> Also, if a player has a rough ride with one team,
> I wish that he would do better after a trade, not worse.
Depends on the player and the reasons for the rough ride.
> I wish Turgeon luck with his new team.
I'm happy enough to see Turgeon flounder. Serves him right for
thinking that he's too good for the Habs.
****************/CCCCCCCCCCC|*****************************************
Gerry Warner |C|~~|H__H|~~~ 17 11 42 Player Of The Day:
AE, CU |C|__|H~~H|___ 34 52 Brian Savage
Gerry Warner
Steve Ranta (sra...@macwest.org) wrote:
> Your naive attitude towards deal-making certainly does a lot to explain
> why you seem unable to appreciate other aspects of mismanagement, such as
> Corey's power-tripping.
Power-tripping? Whatever. I suppose I'd rather be cheerfully naive
than obsessively paranoid like some people on this thread, though. :)
Steve Ranta
In article <329b65f6.14924770@news>, qn...@accent.net (Marc Caron) wrote:
> >I don't see how Turgeon playing worse than anyone expected since the trade
> >makes Reggie look better. How do Corson's recent numbers compare to
> >Turgeon's before the trade?
> >
> >--
> >Steve Ranta
>
> And why not compare Corson's stats in the last game to Turgeon's TOTAL
> years in PeeWee then? . . .
It seems to me that one of the most obvious ways to determine whether a
team gained from a trade is to see how much the new players are producing
for the team compared to what the old players did for the team before the
trade.
There are certainly other measures, but this one shouldn't be ignored.
--
Steve Ranta
Dave St.Onge
In article <329b65f6.14924770@news>, qn...@accent.net (Marc Caron)
wrote:
>
>>I don't see how Turgeon playing worse than anyone expected since the
trade
>>makes Reggie look better. How do Corson's recent numbers compare to
>>Turgeon's before the trade?
>>
>>--
>>Steve Ranta
>
>And why not compare Corson's stats in the last game to Turgeon's
TOTAL
>Turgeon's #s BEFORE THE TRADE MORON!
>I'm not happy with that trade at all, I like Corson, but I feel we
got
>robbed on it. We could've taken MUCH more and I feel that other GMs
>are taking advantage of Houle's lack of experience.
We really didn't need Turgeon because he wasn't a team player. He
started to complain right away after he found out he wasn't the first
line centre and demanded a trade. Any unselfish player would have
been accepted being on the third line and played there. By trading
him, we get an aggressive forward who is not selfish and a stay at
home type defenseman who can help clear the front of the net. I am
glad he is gone because now we don't have to listen to him whine about
his playing time...that is St. Louis' problem now....
>
>Marc
Stormwalker
Gerry Warner wrote:
>
> Steve Ranta (sra...@macwest.org) wrote:
> > In article <57ddo5$r...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>, gwa...@chat.carleton.ca
> > It's better to make people happy to trade with you by making sure both
> > sides get a good deal.
>
> (Good grief...do I detect an attempt to criticize Reggie for making
> *too good* a trade here?!!?)
>
Now theres something a Habs GM is not often accused of. :)
> I think the idea is to nail the other side
> to the wall, to burn them as badly as possible on the deal, and
> to hell with making them happy. Seriously, if we can trade junk
> for quality players, then so much the better.
Hey, wait..isnt that what most GMs said when Savard offered a trade?
If the average
> GM is around for 5 years, and the average team makes 10 trades of
> significance during that time...what are the odds that you ever
> want to deal with the same GM again anyway? (Unless you can
> smoke him again! :). There's nothing special to be gained by
> making the other team happy, and you're just increasing the odds
> of losing on a deal by even trying to.
>
> > Also, if a player has a rough ride with one team,
> > I wish that he would do better after a trade, not worse.
>
> Depends on the player and the reasons for the rough ride.
>
> > I wish Turgeon luck with his new team.
>
> I'm happy enough to see Turgeon flounder. Serves him right for
> thinking that he's too good for the Habs.
Hmmm....vindictive, arent we??
I thought you just hated Malakhov. What had turgeon done to deserve your
ire, Gerry?
>
> ****************/CCCCCCCCCCC|*****************************************
> Gerry Warner |C|~~|H__H|~~~ 17 11 42 Player Of The Day:
> AE, CU |C|__|H~~H|___ 34 52 Brian Savage
> ****************\CCCCCCCCCCC|******* 41 ******************************
The Rootbeer line strikes again!!
Tim
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I have no rival. No man can be my equal.
We've got to be the rulers of your world.
Here we are. Born to be kings.
We're the Princes of the universe. --- Queen, Highlander
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Gerry Warner
Stormwalker (stor...@trib.infi.net) wrote:
> Hmmm....vindictive, arent we??
> I thought you just hated Malakhov. What had turgeon done to deserve your
> ire, Gerry?
Nothing! (Literally :). I just generally don't like Turgeon's
type, that's all. Floaty offensive guys (with the notable exceptions
of Richer and Lafleur) have always been low on my list of favoured
players. Turgeon seemed like a nice enough guy...until he selfishly
decided he should be playing elsewhere. Mind you, I would have
traded him off in the summer for Konowalchuk or Gelinas even before he
made the request. And I would have wished him well at that time. But
not now. Here's hoping that he maintains his current scoring pace
as a Blue and finds himself cast loose as an UFA in the summer.
Steve Ranta
In article <57hmlh$8...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>, gwa...@chat.carleton.ca
(Gerry Warner) wrote:
> Steve Ranta (sra...@macwest.org) wrote:
>
> > Your naive attitude towards deal-making certainly does a lot to explain
> > why you seem unable to appreciate other aspects of mismanagement, such as
> > Corey's power-tripping.
>
> Power-tripping? Whatever. I suppose I'd rather be cheerfully naive
> than obsessively paranoid like some people on this thread, though. :)
You certainly must be naive if you think that the best way to be a good
trader as a G.M. is to rip off the G.M.s you trade with.
--
Steve Ranta
Gerry Warner
Steve Ranta (sra...@macwest.org) wrote:
> You certainly must be naive if you think that the best way to be a good
> trader as a G.M. is to rip off the G.M.s you trade with.
It is the best way, though. It's perfect. You get some good players,
and if everything goes amazingly well, you scare away the rest of the
GMs and you never have to make a trade again. That would be ideal.
Imagine if it really worked that way...Savard nabs Courtnall for
Kordic, severely ripping off the Leafs in the process. Now if only
the rest of the GMs had decided to tremble in fear at his trading
prowess instead of ripping the likes of Chelios, Lemieux, Skrudland,
Corson, Gilchrist, Schneider, etc, etc, off him. Ah, if only it
worked that way. Sorry to be naive, Steve, but nobody cares about
yesterday...rip 'em off while you can today, 'cuz it will all be
forgotten by the rest of the GMs tomorrow. Seriously, I think you're
the one that's a bit naive if you think otherwise.
Marc Caron
On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 22:20:59 -0500, Vizh <vi...@total.net> wrote:
>Marc Caron wrote:
>>
>> I'm not happy with that trade at all, I like Corson, but I feel we got
>> robbed on it. We could've taken MUCH more and I feel that other GMs
>> are taking advantage of Houle's lack of experience.
>
>I'm getting pretty sick of hearing how the big bad GM's are taking
>advantage of poor little Rejean. Did Pierre Lacroix get taken for a
>ride in his first couple of seasons as GM? Did Pierre Gauthier over in
>Ottawa? You get taken for a ride if you set yourself up for one,
>regardless of who you are and how long you've been around.
>
I'm basing this on a INTERVIEW he gave. This was about the same time
as the Odelein-Richer trade. He said that he was disapointed with the
other GMs lack of professionalism. Remember the Pitsburgh GM telling
reporters that Houle promissed Odelein to him. Houle also said that
ever since he started, GMs were trying to get advantage of his
inexperience. When he talked to Dallas for Darrian Hatcher, Dallas' GM
offered him Kevin Hatcher, who is very old, for Vincent Damphousse,
Brian Savage and someone else. That is SO stupid. He was insulted by
that offer. And he said every GM has been handling him the same way,
except for Pierre Lacroix in Colorado. He said that BECAUSE Lacroix
respected him, he decided to deal Roy with him. And this is all a
personal interview that he did on RDS. I'm not making this stuff up.
As for the Turgeon trade, that is my personal opinion, and I noticed
that the way I wrote it, it sounds like he was taken advantage of. I
meant to put it as two different points. The Turgeon trade was, in my
opinion, bad judgement by Houle. I believe that he underestimated the
value of Turgeon. I don't mind that we got Corson back, but I believe
that we could've gotten a better defenceman from another team maybe.
Sorry if I made it sound like Houle was Jack and he was sold a bunch
of bad magic beans, it wasn't my intent.
Marc
N Persaud
In article <sranta-2711...@van-pm-0522.direct.ca>,
sra...@macwest.org (Steve Ranta) wrote:
>In article <57hmlh$8...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>, gwa...@chat.carleton.ca
>(Gerry Warner) wrote:
>
>> Steve Ranta (sra...@macwest.org) wrote:
>>
>> > Your naive attitude towards deal-making certainly does a lot to explain
>> > why you seem unable to appreciate other aspects of mismanagement, such as
>> > Corey's power-tripping.
>>
>> Power-tripping? Whatever. I suppose I'd rather be cheerfully naive
>> than obsessively paranoid like some people on this thread, though. :)
>
>trader as a G.M. is to rip off the G.M.s you trade with.
>
What if you end up facing the team you traded with in the Playoffs and because
you made them better you end up in the golf course. Do you think the Flyers GM
lost sleep over ripping Montreal off over the Recchi trade, or the Blackhawks
GM over the Savard-Chelios trade, how about the Savard over the Kordic trade.
When GM's make trade like these it shows how good they are because they got
what is best for their team. I just hope that if you end up as a GM one
day(not for Montreal) you get ripped on your first trade just to prove to you
that the the only thing you have to do is get the most for the least.
N Persaud
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N Persaud
Habs Rule
"Everyone is born right-handed, only the greatones can overcome it."
...
Gerry Warner wrote:
> Nothing! (Literally :). I just generally don't like Turgeon's
> type, that's all. Floaty offensive guys (with the notable exceptions
> of Richer and Lafleur) have always been low on my list of favoured
> players. Turgeon seemed like a nice enough guy...until he selfishly
> decided he should be playing elsewhere. Mind you, I would have
> traded him off in the summer for Konowalchuk or Gelinas even before he
> made the request. And I would have wished him well at that time. But
> not now. Here's hoping that he maintains his current scoring pace
> as a Blue and finds himself cast loose as an UFA in the summer.
How come it would be perfectly fine for a team to trade its captain at it
whim, but it terrible if the player requests a trade??? I know we hate it
when a player seems to reject "our" team, but why is it perfectly fine for a
team to reject it players and send them packing, oh, say when the team even
guarentees the player won't be traded (a la Muller!!!)?
Anyways, even though I liked Turgeon in Montreal once I found out he
requested the trade I didn't miss him anymore. He wanted out and he got out.
However, I do respect the fact he kept the trade request secret, even when
the rumors were swirling. By doing so he didn't undermine Montreal trade
position. It was classy to keep the request between him and Houle. But now
that he's gone I neither wish hime the best or the worst. I just hope Corson
and Richer start clicking like the old days...Does anyone remember Richer's
last 50 goal season? The line was him, Corson, and Skrudeland. Isn't Bureau a
lot lot Skrudeland in many way??? To me, the line is like a time warp to 6-7
years ago.
One final question...what the hell is Turgeon doing in St. Louis???
Turgeon is better than THAT no matter what you say! Mike Keenan must going
nuts by now.Turgeon isn't worth much if he don't score.
marty
Gerry Warner
... (emul...@AURACOM.COM) wrote:
> How come it would be perfectly fine for a team to trade its captain at it
> whim, but it terrible if the player requests a trade??? I know we hate it
> when a player seems to reject "our" team, but why is it perfectly fine for a
> team to reject it players and send them packing, oh, say when the team even
> guarentees the player won't be traded (a la Muller!!!)?
Perfectly fine? Not with me! I think it was classless and disgusting
the way Muller was treated by Savard. Thankfully Savard is history
now, though, and I won't hold anything Savard did against the current
team management. Other traded captains? Carbo, Chelios, Keane...
more big mistakes. There's nothing "perfectly fine" about the team
trading them either, and I think I've voiced my discontent on those
topics often enough in the past.
As to the general concept of teams rejecting players via trade...
I think that gets back to the whole issue of the fundamental player-
management issue. It seems like more and more players (and fans!)
are forgetting who the real bosses are. The spiralling salaries
seem to have blurred the dividing lines in the players' perception.
Most of them truly think that they should be/are their own bosses.
Personally, I don't think that should be so. If they wanted to
be bosses, they could start their own leagues and be bosses. But
as long as they're playing in somebody else's league, they should
be obedient little foot soldiers, and happily take home the nice
big paychecks they're getting.
> One final question...what the hell is Turgeon doing in St. Louis???
> Turgeon is better than THAT no matter what you say! Mike Keenan must going
> nuts by now.Turgeon isn't worth much if he don't score.
Heh, and the Blues will have to match his current salary or let him
walk in the summer, eh? Take that Mr. Keenan. That's the risk you
take with a 1-dimensional player like Turgeon. Without scoring, he's
nothing. With Corson, even if he's not scoring he contributes in
many other ways.
Marc Caron
On Wed, 27 Nov 96 19:52:02 GMT, dst...@vianet.on.ca (Dave St.Onge)
wrote:
>We really didn't need Turgeon because he wasn't a team player. He
>started to complain right away after he found out he wasn't the first
>line centre and demanded a trade. Any unselfish player would have
>been accepted being on the third line and played there. By trading
>him, we get an aggressive forward who is not selfish and a stay at
>home type defenseman who can help clear the front of the net. I am
>glad he is gone because now we don't have to listen to him whine about
>his playing time...that is St. Louis' problem now....
>>
I agree, we don't need Turgeon, I'm just saying that we didn't get
enough out of the deal. I don't like Turgeon's "floating" style, and
it's not the fact that he wanted to get traded that bothered me. I
found him very professional, he said it privately, and never said a
word to reporters. It got leeked to the media by Houle or a player,
can't remember exactly. Much better then just not playing right? He's
a class guy, and he was a nice guy, but he didn't fit our style. He'd
probably do good in the western teams where they play more openly.
Marc
Steve Ranta
In article <57pcms$r...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>, gwa...@chat.carleton.ca
(Gerry Warner) wrote:
. . .
> as long as they're playing in somebody else's league, they should
> be obedient little foot soldiers, and happily take home the nice
> big paychecks they're getting. . . .
Even if power-tripping management is ruining the team's performance?
Surely most people would recognize the right of players to speak out
against bosses who make a team worse and remove the joy of the game from
both players and spectators.
--
Steve Ranta
Gerry Warner
> . . .
> > as long as they're playing in somebody else's league, they should
> > be obedient little foot soldiers, and happily take home the nice
> > big paychecks they're getting. . . .
> Even if power-tripping management is ruining the team's performance?
It depends. I don't think there's any such thing as "power-tripping
management", though. Not just in regards to the Habs, who obviously
don't have such management, but in general. The worst-case management
scenario I can think of these days is probably in Boston. And I'd
hardly call that "power-tripping". Smart buisness practice, maybe,
"power-tripping", no.
> Surely most people would recognize the right of players to speak out
> against bosses who make a team worse
In certain instances, yes. For example...if Ray Bourque chose to
speak out against the Jacobs/Sinden management of mediocrity in Boston,
I think he has earned the right. No other player has, though. Bourque
has demonstrated loyalty and dedication above and beyond the call of
duty. If he says anything, it's worth hearing. If anybody else
speaks, it's just empty complaining. So there you have it: there
is one case in the entire NHL for which I think a player has earned
the right to speak out against management. In all other cases, and
especially in Montreal where there's nothing at all wrong with the
management, my quote from the previous followup applies.
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Gerry Warner |C|~~|H__H|~~~ 17 11 42 Player Of The Day:
AE, CU |C|__|H~~H|___ 34 52 Patrice Brisebois
Y. Tremblay
In article <57cnbu$k...@news.dal.ca>,
Mark Christopher Flick <mfl...@is.dal.ca> wrote:
>Paul Tanasi (bn...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>: Corson since the trade 13gp 4g 5a
>: Turgeon since the trade 11gp 1g 3a
>Yeah, but this trade isn't supposed to be offense for offense (like Recchi
>for Leclair). This was to get the habs toughness and defense. But it is an
>added bonus!
>
No offense :-) but I have always thought that the Leclar-Desjardin for
Recchi trade was a thoughness+some goals and good defenseman for
offense. They never imagined that Leclair would outscore Recchi.
Pretty similar to a Corson-Baron for Turgeon (and more...) before
Leclair broke through.
Yannick
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Y. Tremblay