My 2 cents on Ryan
Stunning Steve
competition for him in Newfoundland, they quit their jobs and moved the
family to B.C. in hopes of putting Terry Jr. in a more competitive league. A
few years later, the Canadiens drafted him and give him an ungodly contract
with hopes of making the young player a star. Despite numerous chances with
Montreal, Terry Ryan has failed to make it as an everyday NHLer.
It is Terry Ryan's fault, and nobody else's, that he isn't in the NHL. He
was drafted as a power forward, not a fighter. Despite this, every chance he
gets, he drops the gloves, and gets his ass kicked. He then blames the
Canadiens for sending him back to the minors, rather than looking in the
mirror.
Terry Ryan has had numerous chances to make it in the NHL. Deep down, he
knows that. Drafted as a power forward, he's nothing more than an
injury-prone overpaid fighter who loses way too often. While a trade may
indeed help him, it's not the Canadiens' fault that Ryan hasn't lived up to
expectations. Growing up with a silver spoon up his ass makes him think he
can get his way in the NHL. Terry is learning the hard way that his parents
can't help him anymore. He has made his bed, now he has to lie in
it..........
Jason Little
<sdi...@thezone.net> wrote:
>Terry Ryan grew up wealthy. When his parents realized there wasn't enough
>competition for him in Newfoundland, they quit their jobs and moved the
>family to B.C. in hopes of putting Terry Jr. in a more competitive league. A
>few years later, the Canadiens drafted him and give him an ungodly contract
>with hopes of making the young player a star. Despite numerous chances with
>Montreal, Terry Ryan has failed to make it as an everyday NHLer.
Sounds a aweful lot like this guy that used to play for the Habs, but
is now playing for Tampa.
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infinite wisdom decided they needed a goon.Terry is doing what any young guy
trying to keep his job would do....if we had coaches that realized what the
players are capable of doing and not just sitting them the young guys could
develop.Just as Bure had to leave to be decent I hope Ryan does to.Lets just
keep giving away draft picks instead of ruining careers.Do I sound
disappointed??I am .If Habs are going to lose again this year atleast give
the young guys a chance to play.This would also drop the cash problem,trade
all the Corson`s.
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Stunning Steve <sdi...@thezone.net> wrote in message
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> Terry Ryan grew up wealthy. When his parents realized there wasn't enough
> competition for him in Newfoundland, they quit their jobs and moved the
> family to B.C. in hopes of putting Terry Jr. in a more competitive league.
A
> few years later, the Canadiens drafted him and give him an ungodly
contract
> with hopes of making the young player a star. Despite numerous chances
with
> Montreal, Terry Ryan has failed to make it as an everyday NHLer.
>
David Bettschen
>competition for him in Newfoundland, they quit their jobs and moved the
>family to B.C. in hopes of putting Terry Jr. in a more competitive league.
Where did you hear that story?I had heard just the opposite from a couple of
different sources over the years...The version I got was that his family was
very poor and they "sent" Terry to BC while they worked at home on the East
Coast sending what money they could to him.Hockey was the only way for him
to better himself and escape poverty.The story goes that his fortitude and
determination to make it, despite missing his family,was a sign at an early
age that he could be a character player and a team leader.That was the
reason he was drafted so high.Does anybody know the real story?
Marlo Rhuland
Stunning Steve wrote in message <7pnfi7$s8f$1...@nova.thezone.net>...
>Terry Ryan grew up wealthy. When his parents realized there wasn't enough
>competition for him in Newfoundland, they quit their jobs and moved the
>family to B.C. in hopes of putting Terry Jr. in a more competitive league.
>few years later, the Canadiens drafted him and give him an ungodly contract
>with hopes of making the young player a star. Despite numerous chances with
>Montreal, Terry Ryan has failed to make it as an everyday NHLer.
Some of what you say is true, exce[pt the wealthy part, Ryan's dad was & is
a teacher, and his mom a nurse, and he grew up in middle class.
.
>It is Terry Ryan's fault, and nobody else's, that he isn't in the NHL. He
>was drafted as a power forward, not a fighter. Despite this, every chance
he
>gets, he drops the gloves, and gets his ass kicked. He then blames the
>Canadiens for sending him back to the minors, rather than looking in the
>mirror.
Ryan did what the coaches told him to, on a team lackign much physical
presence up front, he did what most Habs forwards were unwilling to do, drop
the gloves, though he could have picked his spots a bit better.
.
>Terry Ryan has had numerous chances to make it in the NHL. Deep down, he
>knows that. Drafted as a power forward, he's nothing more than an
>injury-prone overpaid fighter who loses way too often. While a trade may
>indeed help him, it's not the Canadiens' fault that Ryan hasn't lived up to
>expectations. Growing up with a silver spoon up his ass makes him think he
>can get his way in the NHL. Terry is learning the hard way that his parents
>can't help him anymore. He has made his bed, now he has to lie in
>it..........
Terry Ryan has played a grand total of 8 NHL games over 3 seasons, this
constitutes "numerous chances"? The whole silver spoon thing is way off
base, and since that is the basis of your argument, your whole argument is
weak. True, Ryan was drafted as a power forward, and the Habs probably
took him too high, his average to below average skating will keep him from
being more than a 3rd line grinder with decent enough hands to get 15+
goals/season, this should have been known to Montreal when they picked him.
You don't draft a guy in the top 10, then not give him a real chance in the
NHL, that is what Montreal has done, and though Ryan won't be a superstar,
he will be another in a list of Habs who didn't get a shot in Montreal, only
to prove they could play in the NHL with another team.
MJR
Marlo Rhuland
David Bettschen wrote in message ...
>>Terry Ryan grew up wealthy. When his parents realized there wasn't enough
>>competition for him in Newfoundland, they quit their jobs and moved the
>>family to B.C. in hopes of putting Terry Jr. in a more competitive league.
>
of
>different sources over the years...The version I got was that his family
was
>very poor and they "sent" Terry to BC while they worked at home on the East
>Coast sending what money they could to him.Hockey was the only way for him
>to better himself and escape poverty.The story goes that his fortitude and
>determination to make it, despite missing his family,was a sign at an early
>age that he could be a character player and a team leader.That was the
>reason he was drafted so high.Does anybody know the real story?
Well both stories are wrong, Terry grew up middle class, and his parents
took leave of absences from their jobs to take him to BC to help his hockey
career. His dad was a teacher and mom a nurse, as far as I know, they still
are.
MJR
David Bettschen
REGARDS,
DAVID
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Stunning Steve
Ryan, Mt. Pearl Nfld. His father, Terry Sr., is a former NHLer who also
coached minor hockey, ran several hockey schools, played local senior league
hockey, and also worked as a teacher. The Ryan family was NOT stuck for a
dollar. The Ryans did indeed quit their jobs and move away to BC so Terry
Jr. could develop his hockey skills.
I'm not knocking his parents for the way Terry Jr. turned out-- not many
families would go through what they did to get their son into the NHL. As
for the other Habs picks over the years who he mentioned who are now playing
for other NHL teams, neither of them had to drop their gloves to earn their
NHL jobs. Terry Ryan should have kept playing the same game that got him
drafted, and not that of a fighter. On top of that, he should have kept his
mouth shut and played his ass off every time he was sent to the minors,
rather than bitch and whine all the time.
>
>Where did you hear that story?I had heard just the opposite from a couple
of
>different sources over the years...The version I got was that his family
was
>very poor and they "sent" Terry to BC while they worked at home on the East
>Coast sending what money they could to him.Hockey was the only way for him
>to better himself and escape poverty.The story goes that his fortitude and
>determination to make it, despite missing his family,was a sign at an early
>age that he could be a character player and a team leader.That was the
>reason he was drafted so high.Does anybody know the real story?
>
Where did YOU get that story?
optim...@my-deja.com
"Stunning Steve" <sdi...@thezone.net> wrote:
> Terry Ryan grew up wealthy. When his parents realized there wasn't
> enough competition for him in Newfoundland, they quit their jobs and
> moved the family to B.C. in hopes of putting Terry Jr. in a more
> competitive league.
this have to do with anything, anyway?
> Despite numerous chances with Montreal, Terry Ryan has failed to make
> it as an everyday NHLer. It is Terry Ryan's fault, and nobody else's,
> that he isn't in the NHL.
That is one of the most laughable statements I've seen in this NG in
years, and I kid you not. "Numerous chances with Montreal" indeed.
He's got more fingers than he has NHL games. Anything else you could
possibly say on this subject is utterly meaningless if you can't grasp
the basic concept that Ryan was *not* given *any* chance with Montreal
*whatsoever*. He didn't even get the best of treatment in Fredericton
either, with Therrien/Houle's preference for playing minor-league
"gunslingers" who have no NHL future (ie Jomphe, Gendron, Morrissette,
Blouin) other than legitimate prospects for the future.
That may sound harsh, but it really burns me up to see people trying to
defend bad management decisions with bogus information, or outright
fantasies. "Numerous chances". I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
:(
(Gerry, AJ, Bill, where are you all? This NG's going to the dogs! :)
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Stunning Steve wrote in message <7pouq5$bcd$1...@nova.thezone.net>...
>Trust me, I know what I'm talking about. I come from the same hometown as
>Ryan, Mt. Pearl Nfld. His father, Terry Sr., is a former NHLer who also
>coached minor hockey, ran several hockey schools, played local senior
league
>hockey, and also worked as a teacher. The Ryan family was NOT stuck for a
>dollar. The Ryans did indeed quit their jobs and move away to BC so Terry
>Jr. could develop his hockey skills.
I don't think you do, my brother in law is good friends with Terry Jr. spent
time with his family growing up and I have met him a few times, and he has
never portrayed the siler spoon type guy you're trying to make him out to
be. Also, there is a big difference between rich an "not being stuck for a
dollar" , they were middle class, and though Terry Sr. played in the minors,
I don't beleive he ever made it ot the NHL.
.
>I'm not knocking his parents for the way Terry Jr. turned out-- not many
>families would go through what they did to get their son into the NHL. As
>for the other Habs picks over the years who he mentioned who are now
playing
>for other NHL teams, neither of them had to drop their gloves to earn their
>NHL jobs. Terry Ryan should have kept playing the same game that got him
>drafted, and not that of a fighter. On top of that, he should have kept his
>mouth shut and played his ass off every time he was sent to the minors,
>rather than bitch and whine all the time.
How about Brad Brown, tucker was always trying to fight in Montreal too,
neither of those guys were given real shots in Montreal, and have developed
into useful NHL players elsewhere. Ryan saw what happened to Brown and
figures that is his only way to the NHL too, and though I never agree with
holdouts, the Habs are as much to blame if not more for the situation. Ryan
may not be a star, but he does work his ass off and played most, if not all
of the AHL playoffs with a badly injured shoulder, and did a lot less
fighting than in Montreal. When you only get a handful of games in the
pros, you want to stand out, and getting 3-4 shifts a game on the 4th line
with players who have little or no offensive skill, there is little else to
do, tough rookies fight all the time to be shown, to prove themselves, Ryan
is hardly the first.
MJR
Bob Prince
>> Despite numerous chances with Montreal, Terry Ryan has failed to make
>> it as an everyday NHLer. It is Terry Ryan's fault, and nobody else's,
>> that he isn't in the NHL.
>That is one of the most laughable statements I've seen in this NG in
>years, and I kid you not. "Numerous chances with Montreal" indeed.
>He's got more fingers than he has NHL games. Anything else you could
>possibly say on this subject is utterly meaningless if you can't grasp
>the basic concept that Ryan was *not* given *any* chance with Montreal
>*whatsoever*. He didn't even get the best of treatment in Fredericton
>either, with Therrien/Houle's preference for playing minor-league
>"gunslingers" who have no NHL future (ie Jomphe, Gendron, Morrissette,
>Blouin) other than legitimate prospects for the future.
I personally didn't care much for Ryan in Fredericton, so I'm
ambivalent about the whole thing, but your point still resonates.
Let's close our eyes and think back to the days of the Sherbrooke
Canadiens, who found a way to dominate AND develop the Brunet's,
Lefebvre's, etc. No mercenaries there, and the fact that Montreal
developed solid players without the relative benefit of *high* draft
picks shows the value of playing the kids as much as possible.
As well, the players seemed to find a way to develop as a cohort,
assuring the parent club of a good supply of position players waiting
for their turn at any one time. Something happens to anyone for any
period of time, we're toast. Then again, if you look around the
league, most teams are in our position, with little depth. The
forecast is for mediocrity, with mild gusts up to
respectable....unless the new prez is a visionary with a plan (and a
SYSTEM)!
>(Gerry, AJ, Bill, where are you all? This NG's going to the dogs! :)
It's not what it used to be...then again it *is* the offseason. Who's
in for a séance, to bring back the long-lost souls?
Bob Prince
Fredericton, NB
Jonesey
make it or at the very least show what you got. And you can rest assured
that Ryan hasn't showed anything out of the ordinary, not even in training
camps let alone the NHL, no matter how many shifts he had. And lets be
honest here, with all due respect to the AHL fans out there, it is a far cry
from the NHL. Patrick Lebeau broke the all time scoring record at that level
when he played there, but yet he is playing in some two bit league in
Europe. I hear a lot about Tucker this, Tucker that, well I only have one
question for all true Habs fans out there who keep harping about the Habs
screwing this one up:
How many of you would actually like to see Tucker as our first line center
man, or even second for that matter. All these young pups get to the NHL and
all they want to do is pound their chests, trying to prove they're tough
with total disregard to discipline and directives.
Dont get me wrong I am not all that happy with the Habs management by any
stretch of the imagination, but i do remember sitting in front of my tube
and swearing at Tucker for taking another one of his stupid penalties. Ryan
on the other hand, I doubt very much the team knowing his concussion
problems, deliberately ask him to go out and fight, just not a good economic
move in my view. I lived in the maritimes for 14 years before moving back to
Montreal, and anyone who is really worth talking about in the maritimes gets
talked about believe me, and the whole time I was there not too many people
mentionned Terry Ryan all that much, so he couldn't be impressing too many
people even at that level plus being a maritimer himself on top of that. And
as far as being a power forward, forget it he just aint big enough, feisty
yes but feisty doesnt always break Physics rules.
Peca Fan
<sdi...@thezone.net> wrote:
>Terry Ryan grew up wealthy. When his parents realized there wasn't enough
>competition for him in Newfoundland, they quit their jobs and moved the
>family to B.C. in hopes of putting Terry Jr. in a more competitive league. A
>few years later, the Canadiens drafted him and give him an ungodly contract
>with hopes of making the young player a star. Despite numerous chances with
>Montreal, Terry Ryan has failed to make it as an everyday NHLer.
8 NHL games over 3 years is hardly what I would call "numerous chances
to make it in the NHL". Gee, he had 3 minutes of ice time this year,
he should have at least scored a hat trick. Send the bum to the
minors.
>It is Terry Ryan's fault, and nobody else's, that he isn't in the NHL. He
>was drafted as a power forward, not a fighter. Despite this, every chance he
>gets, he drops the gloves, and gets his ass kicked. He then blames the
>Canadiens for sending him back to the minors, rather than looking in the
>mirror.
From this description, to me it looks like when he finally gets on the
ice, he knows it's probably his last shift before being sent down to
the minors yet again, so he attempts to get himself noticed by getting
in a scrap. So he grabs the first guy he sees that'll throw 'em, and
often loses.
--
Peca Fan (at no fixed address)
Ian Merrithew
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> I know numerous is a big word, but training camps are usually a chance to
> make it or at the very least show what you got.
the scrap heap because he didn't perform well *in training camp*! So what
if player X was a little slower than his top speed in camp? He's getting
his skating legs back; it's *training camp*, for #@*^ sakes! If Koivu comes
out this year and has a lousy camp, do you want to send him to the minors?
Don't you suppose even the stars of the NHL have had bad training camps, or
*sat them out* altogether?! Of course they have. Sure, if some kid comes
in and plays like a man possessed unexpectedly, he wins his way on the team.
But for the most part, camp is just the time for everyone to get back
together, get back into top shape (off-season workouts can't take the place
of ice-time), and get the team chemistry back. If you know that prospect Y
is ready for a shot at the NHL, even if he doesn't stand out in camp, then
you give him a roster spot and see what he can do with it -- especially when
your alternatives are garbage like Poulin/Zholtok/Cummins.
> And lets be
> honest here, with all due respect to the AHL fans out there, it is a far
cry
> from the NHL.
Of course it is. It's a developmental league. I've never claimed any
different.
> How many of you would actually like to see Tucker as our first line center
> man, or even second for that matter.
[raises hand]
Tucker's not suited to be a first-line center in the NHL, but with our thin
center position, he could very well do a damn good job on our second line.
Even if you plunk Linden in as C2, there's noone around to play C3 or C4,
not counting Zerotok.
> Dont get me wrong I am not all that happy with the Habs management by any
> stretch of the imagination, but i do remember sitting in front of my tube
> and swearing at Tucker for taking another one of his stupid penalties.
I swore more often watching Tucker score goals last season :(.
> I lived in the maritimes for 14 years before moving back to
> Montreal, and anyone who is really worth talking about in the maritimes
gets
> talked about believe me, and the whole time I was there not too many
people
> mentionned Terry Ryan all that much, so he couldn't be impressing too many
> people even at that level plus being a maritimer himself on top of that.
Ryan's not a Maritimer, he's from Newfoundland. (14 years and you can't
remember that? Shame :). I'll admit that Ryan never tore up the AHL. But
he looked good nonetheless, good enough to be given a chance in the NHL.
Sure as *hell* good enough to displace Poulin.
> And as far as being a power forward, forget it he just aint big enough,
feisty
> yes but feisty doesnt always break Physics rules.
I don't think anyone's projecting a first-line power forward any more from
him; but a third-line grinder capable of 15 goals a season would be damn
valuable on this hockey club, don't you think?
--
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Jonesey
Ian Merrithew <optim...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Oh, please. You don't toss a young player of any potential whatsoever on
> the scrap heap because he didn't perform well *in training camp*! So what
> if player X was a little slower than his top speed in camp? He's getting
> his skating legs back; it's *training camp*, for #@*^ sakes!
teams and I really wanted it, I'd try to put all chances on my side and be
ready for it, and besides that is exactly why they hold a two week pre
training camp for prospects, that way they have their legs back before the
real training camp begins and also gives them a longer look at young
rookies.
> But for the most part, camp is just the time for everyone to get back
> together, get back into top shape (off-season workouts can't take the
place
If you're a rookie, how can you get "back together" with people you've never
played with??? And besides Lefebvre (Geatan) gives all player a training
schedule and diet to follow during the summer. The players nowadays come in
training camp in much much better shape than they did in the seventies, but
even training camp doesnt put you in "game shape", this takes a few games
into the season to really happen. And the regulars don't see all that much
ice time in the pre season, they play the young kids, again to see what they
can do.
> If you know that prospect Y is ready for a shot at the NHL, even if he
doesn't stand out in camp, then you give him a roster spot and see what he
can do with it.
So you end up with a young player who is more apt at developing his card
playing skills on the plane than his hockey skills on the ice because
they'll play the guys they think they can win with, and the young guy gets
to watch the games from the stands, how do you develop under these
conditions? They stole a couple good years from Rivet by doing that, he
would be further along if they had developed him properly.
> your alternatives are garbage like Poulin/Zholtok/Cummins.
I know you hate these guys so I wont comment on them :) But I haven't seen
Cummins play yet so I dont know much about him, not enough to comment
anyways.
> I swore more often watching Tucker score goals last season :(.
Lucky you, because the rest of us dont get to see too many Lightning
games, you must have a Satellite dish or something.;)
> Ryan's not a Maritimer, he's from Newfoundland. (14 years and you can't
remember that? Shame
I don't know, being a sailor for almost twenty years I never found anything
more "maritime" than the Rock. :)
> Sure as *hell* good enough to displace Poulin.
Could he play as good a defensive role as Poulin, we got Ryan for his
offensive skills. So why would you want to replace a third line defensive
forward with Ryan. That in itself doesn't make much sense.
> I don't think anyone's projecting a first-line power forward any more from
him; but a third-line grinder capable of 15 goals a season would be damn
valuable on this hockey club, don't you think?
Well in that case play him on the secon line, he would be the top scorer
there wouldn't he? Third liners are supposed to be defensive players for the
most part. But I do understand what you're saying, and it boils down to
management, we keep picking up these offensive players out of the minors and
turn them into third line players, sad but a reality nonetheless. They seem
to have a tendacy to keep top spots for European players.
News
getting nothing in return in just about every trades he makes,please someone
hide his pens.
Jonesey <jonese...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I know numerous is a big word, but training camps are usually a chance to
> make it or at the very least show what you got. And you can rest assured
> that Ryan hasn't showed anything out of the ordinary, not even in training
> camps let alone the NHL, no matter how many shifts he had. And lets be
> honest here, with all due respect to the AHL fans out there, it is a far
cry
> from the NHL. Patrick Lebeau broke the all time scoring record at that
level
> when he played there, but yet he is playing in some two bit league in
> Europe. I hear a lot about Tucker this, Tucker that, well I only have one
> question for all true Habs fans out there who keep harping about the Habs
> screwing this one up:
> How many of you would actually like to see Tucker as our first line center
> man, or even second for that matter. All these young pups get to the NHL
and
> all they want to do is pound their chests, trying to prove they're tough
> with total disregard to discipline and directives.
> Dont get me wrong I am not all that happy with the Habs management by any
> stretch of the imagination, but i do remember sitting in front of my tube
> and swearing at Tucker for taking another one of his stupid penalties.
Ryan
> on the other hand, I doubt very much the team knowing his concussion
> problems, deliberately ask him to go out and fight, just not a good
economic
> move in my view. I lived in the maritimes for 14 years before moving back
to
> Montreal, and anyone who is really worth talking about in the maritimes
gets
> talked about believe me, and the whole time I was there not too many
people
> mentionned Terry Ryan all that much, so he couldn't be impressing too many
> people even at that level plus being a maritimer himself on top of that.
Earl_...@yahoo.com
>the scrap heap because he didn't perform well *in training camp*! So what
>if player X was a little slower than his top speed in camp? He's getting
comes
>out this year and has a lousy camp, do you want to send him to the minors?
>Don't you suppose even the stars of the NHL have had bad training camps, or
*sat them out* altogether?!
And remember not all prospects are created equally.
One just knows that Zubrus, the direct descendant of Mark Recchi,
could come into camp 25 pounds overweight, have a lousy camp, and still
make one of the top 2 lines. Meanwhile, home grown players like Ryan who
have toiled for this organization for years, are left out. Isn't it amazing
the decisions made by incompetence.
News
died after Savard won the cup in 93 with trades, now the fans aren't use to
see a guy develop during 2 or 3 season in the big league. Stevenson and
Brunet are the last ones. Damn shame. I even remember fans wanting to trade
Carbonneau instead of Daoust when he was a youngster, the man went on to
become on of the the best defensive centers in league history. It is
unacceptable coming from this organization.
Poulin,Cummins and Zholtok have no place on this team if Ward,Ryan,Chouinard
and cie rott in the AHL.
This is on f...up organization. I've become a Bruins fan because I enjoy
seeing all these youngsters grow with the team.
Ian Merrithew
news:CGax3.339$3Q4....@cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca...
> It's not trading Tucker that fans mind I think, it's more that Houle keeps
> getting nothing in return in just about every trades he makes,please
someone
> hide his pens.
was that trade that left us foaming at the mouth, especially since it was
right on the heels of the Bure give-away :). Certainly, two of the most
lopsided "trades" I've ever seen the Habs make. Right up there with the
Carbonneau & Chelios fiascos...
(You didn't say you were becoming a *Bruins* fan in your last post, did you?
A thousand lashes with a wet noodle! :)
Ian Merrithew
> So you end up with a young player who is more apt at developing his card
> playing skills on the plane than his hockey skills on the ice because
> they'll play the guys they think they can win with, and the young guy gets
> to watch the games from the stands, how do you develop under these
> conditions?
are being SHAFTED out of regular ice-time for mediocre stiffs who couldn't
help this team beat the damn Lightning! So we lose in the short run, and we
lose even bigger in the long run!
When I say to give prospect X a chance, I mean a REAL chance. Asham is good
enough to have a shot on the club RIGHT NOW. So BANISH Zerotok back to the
IHL, or maybe even Siberia :). Give Asham his spot on the roster, no ifs,
ands or buts. Maybe in the short term, Asham won't be very productive. But
the experience gained by the leap of faith now, could pay BIG dividends in
the future. This applies to ANY prospect. At some point, you're faced with
the decision; play the unproven kid, or play the vet. If you feel the kid's
future potential is greater than your vet, and/or you have a need to
rebuild, you go with the kid. This equally applies to Delisle over Cummins,
Nasreddine over Ulanov, and Theodore over Chabot.
> They stole a couple good years from Rivet by doing that, he
> would be further along if they had developed him properly.
You mean by letting him waste away in the AHL where there was nothing
further for him to learn or accomplish -- much like the situation Ryan and
Theodore are in now? Sure, he'd have played more; but he wouldn't have been
CHALLENGED to improve his skills, to get better at the game. I firmly
believe that the earlier you challenge young players to perform, the better.
If you let them waste away at a level that doesn't challenge them, it will
affect their attitude, their desire, everything.
> I know you hate these guys so I wont comment on them :) But I haven't seen
> Cummins play yet so I dont know much about him, not enough to comment
> anyways.
What's there to know? He's a thug, in the Vukota mold. Trash.
> Could he play as good a defensive role as Poulin, we got Ryan for his
> offensive skills. So why would you want to replace a third line defensive
> forward with Ryan. That in itself doesn't make much sense.
Because I believe Poulin's "defensive skills" are vastly overrated. Poulin
is very uninvolved out on the ice. Not very physical, doesn't hustle,
minimal offensive skills, no better than adequate defensively. Given some
on-the-ice training, I think Ryan could easily pick up some improved
defensive skills, plus he's got a much better work ethic and is probably
already better offensively than Poulin.
> Well in that case play him on the secon line, he would be the top scorer
> there wouldn't he?
Sure, why not? :) I'm no great fan of Rucinsky.
> Third liners are supposed to be defensive players for the
> most part.
Oh, don't get started on any "two-line scoring system" stuff, I had someone
(Blake?) foaming at the mouth about that once ;).
Blake Goodman
> > Third liners are supposed to be defensive players for the
> > most part.
> Oh, don't get started on any "two-line scoring system" stuff, I had
someone
> (Blake?) foaming at the mouth about that once ;).
>
> --
> Ian Merrithew - FCC Engineering, Saint John, NB
> (use my first name.my last na...@ieee.org to email)
>
>
Lets just say some of us just refuse to believe the league has changed so
much. I'm still wishin' things in Habland are rosy. That is until i look at
our roster, coaches and management again and wonder what the @#$%.
I only wish we had 2 good scoring lines now. Some sort structure would be
nice also.I'm just used to watching too much junior hockey where there is
alot more role playing i geuss. It's getting bad when The Kamloops Blazers
Pro-Am game makes the Canadiens roster look week.
It's even funnier when Reggie Houle has already decide before camp what the
roster will be. Why go through the motions? It ought to be funny after this
little Canadian Pre-season round-robin thingy thats guna happen this year.
What kind of start to the season will it be if we finish the pre-season
being the worst team in Canada. WOW does that sound crappy. And think, no
Hitchcock for coach, we got Alain Vaignault... He couldnt coach the hockey
school here let alone the team.
Blake G.
Funniest things i've heard from Montreal this summer
1. Habs sign Jim Cummins. i like goons, but hey, lets get real... He's
horrible. I'd take a broken Twister over him anyday
2. Saku Koivu, Knee surgery or not? After avoiding the topic for most of the
summer they come out and say yes. Not Good!
3. King now a scout. In Europe, Lookin for cheaper older talent, Fire Houle,
hire Mike Smith and do the job right.
4. Quintal goes to the Rangers. We got to play these guys this year!!! There
freakin stacked!!!
5. Benoit Brunet. WOW Back troubles now. He must rest for 2 months? what
about the last 4 years? Hello!!!! Terry Ryan!!! let the kids play!!!