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Earl
Sloppy , disorganized, sometimes clueless play, Jose Theodore first star.
Some things never change.
Ken Hitchcock could straighten this mess out and get the team into the
playoffs :)
Rhysred
two-way players. Then they'll whine and because of his stature they'll be
traded. Hitch got his way too long. Fuck having him as our coach. We're lucky
we tied today. We gave Ottawa enough time to come back, but tomorrow is another
chance to gain ground (look out for Pittsburgh).
Earl
2 trips to the Cup
1 Stanley Cup
5th best winning percentage in coaching.
If "having his way" is accomplishing the above, then I say let him have it
his way.
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Rhysred
too often. Modano is just like that anyway. Most of their successful forwards
play a tough, two-way style but guys like Hull, Audette, Turgeon, Kamensky, all
were forced to try his style but it didn't work. All of them left town anyway.
Hitchcock did his own undoing in that sense. Yet to fire him after all this
success is a bit puzzling to me, nonetheless.
A.J. Bassett
Couple of glaring mistakes that cost the team a precious point in the
standings:
1) Player error: Petrov failing to cover his man (Alfredsson) in the
slot. Oleg appears to have been drifting around somewhere in the corner
- in other words, not doing his job.
2) Coaching error: Putting defensively weak players like Petrov on the
ice with less than 3 minutes to play while holding a tenuous one goal
lead. It was a fundamental strategic gaffe. Stick with your checking
line and two way players.
It's the little things that add up over an 82 game season that, for a
mediocre team like the Canadiens, can make the difference between making
or missing the post season.
Oh yeah … you might have missed the fact that Berezin played today if it
weren't for his name in the lineup. You're right Earl, same players,
different day.
A.J.
Mike Chamberlain
"Earl" <earl_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Same Shit Different Game
>
> Sloppy , disorganized, sometimes clueless play, Jose Theodore first star.
> Some things never change.
Earl, you were watching a replay of a different game.
>
> Ken Hitchcock could straighten this mess out and get the team into the
> playoffs :)
>
Oh yeah, if Hitch had been coaching, the Habs would have won by at least
3 goals, maybe 4 or 5.
--Mike
Mike Chamberlain
"A.J. Bassett" <tone...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Couple of glaring mistakes that cost the team a precious point in the
> standings:
>
> 1) Player error: Petrov failing to cover his man (Alfredsson) in the
> slot. Oleg appears to have been drifting around somewhere in the corner
> - in other words, not doing his job.
Petrov screwed up. But the only reason you knew it was Petrov's mistake
is that he was about half a step away from Alfredsson. If he'd been in
the corner, you'd a blamed it on someone else.
>
> 2) Coaching error: Putting defensively weak players like Petrov on the
> ice with less than 3 minutes to play while holding a tenuous one goal
> lead. It was a fundamental strategic gaffe. Stick with your checking
> line and two way players.
I agree. They should have kept Juneau and Dackell out there for the
last 10 minutes of the game. Oh, was that the same Petrov who had a
breakaway in the first period on the PK? Nah, I'm wrong, it was the
other Petrov.
>
> It's the little things that add up over an 82 game season that, for a
> mediocre team like the Canadiens, can make the difference between making
> or missing the post season.
>
> Oh yeah … you might have missed the fact that Berezin played today if it
> weren't for his name in the lineup.
You must have gone to the fridge for a lot of beers today. Berezin had
three shots today. I also saw him make at least 4--yes, I was
counting--pretty good passes. Course he didn't score, so I guess the
trade is even at this point. Hell, it would be even if he did nothing
more than answer a few questions in French during the post game
interviews. Berezin will have to work on that aspect of his game.
>You're right Earl, same players,
> different day.
Same A.J., different sport.
--Mike
Mike Chamberlain
"Earl" <earl_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Five straight Division titles
> 2 trips to the Cup
> 1 Stanley Cup
>
> 5th best winning percentage in coaching.
>
> If "having his way" is accomplishing the above, then I say let him have it
> his way.
>
I have two words for you, Earl: Mike Modano.
--Mike
DANIELB777
the Habs scored 5 goals.
1st period was very entertaining. Habs came out confident, skating well &
passing sharply. Aside from Zednik's goal, the crispness & skating tailed off
in the 2nd & 3rd periods.
One thing I am concerned about with Therrien is the dump & chase system he's
using to try to generate scoring chances.
With the speed & skill we have up front, we should be gaining the offensive
zone in full flight WITH THE PUCK. Having our smaller forwards trying to grind
it out in the corners against bigger defencemen is a strategical mistake. One
that I believe will eventually cost Michel his job as André continues to trade
for & draft smaller, highly-skilled forwards who possess excellent speed.
GoHABS
the cup again. Theodore reminds me of Roy and what he did for The Habs. The coach
is fine. Like our Prime Minister said once "les Canadien allways find a way to win"
Stay tuned for 25!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
marty
Mike Chamberlain wrote:
> In article <3C533D...@hotmail.com>,
> "A.J. Bassett" <tone...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > 2) Coaching error: Putting defensively weak players like Petrov on the
> > ice with less than 3 minutes to play while holding a tenuous one goal
> > lead. It was a fundamental strategic gaffe. Stick with your checking
> > line and two way players.
>
> I agree. They should have kept Juneau and Dackell out there for the
> last 10 minutes of the game.
Hehehe! I was hoping someone would bring that up. You can complain who's on
the ice in the last 90 seconds or so, but until then you got to roll the
lines. The Habs only got Dackell, Juneau and Gilmour who are know for
defensive play. They can't play the last 4 minutes!
marty
zip by
<danie...@aol.com> wrote:
1st period was very entertaining. Habs came out confident, skating
well &
> passing sharply. Aside from Zednik's goal, the crispness & skating tailed off
> in the 2nd & 3rd periods.
true - I tuned in at the beginning of the 2nd and thought that the Habs
looked sluggish.
>
> One thing I am concerned about with Therrien is the dump & chase system he's
> using to try to generate scoring chances.
>
> With the speed & skill we have up front, we should be gaining the offensive
> zone in full flight WITH THE PUCK. Having our smaller forwards trying to
> grind
> it out in the corners against bigger defencemen is a strategical mistake. One
> that I believe will eventually cost Michel his job as André continues to trade
> for & draft smaller, highly-skilled forwards who possess excellent speed.
good points - one thing I think they need to develop is a quicker
transition game - this is something that Quinn has done very well with
the Laffs - as you say the habs have the forwards to do it.
I am also still bothered by Therrien's line changes - always
interrupting the attack
Rick F. aka. Winkie
this coach so much. The just get rid of it Rick Greene style defence is
tragic with so much mobility on the d. They are constantly flatfooted in
the neutral zone so in spite of having one of the fastest teams in the
league, we look slow. The 40 second shifts mean no sustained offence and I
have seen him call in on a 3 on 1 break...totally insane.
I know there are worse things out there...Hitchcock comes to mind who hates
offence and hates players who think about goalscoring....but there has to be
away to fix Therrien. The bad parts of his game should just be a matter of
management saying knock it off and hiring a better defensive co-coordinator.
President Pig has out-lived his usefulness and should be sent back to the
meat packing plant and give Gainey the job of president...maybe then a
little pressure from above might solve all our problems.
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Earl
Mike Chamberlain <mi...@rocler.qc.ca> wrote in message
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I absolutely agree with you Mike Modano is one of the premier players in the
game, and underated if there is such a thing at the super-hyped star player
level. But Mike, come on, there has been NO coach over the past 5 years
who has got more from his players, and has got more from what he had than
Hitch. He may be a tyrant by today's NHL standards, but all his Dallas
teams have had a shot at the Stanley Cup every year. His departure will
coincide with a downturn in the fortunes of the Dallas club.
robhy...@yahoo.com
>
>I absolutely agree with you Mike Modano is one of the premier players in the
>game, and underated if there is such a thing at the super-hyped star player
>level. But Mike, come on, there has been NO coach over the past 5 years
>who has got more from his players, and has got more from what he had than
>Hitch. He may be a tyrant by today's NHL standards, but all his Dallas
>teams have had a shot at the Stanley Cup every year. His departure will
>coincide with a downturn in the fortunes of the Dallas club.
>
Wow Earl, what a bold prediction.
His departure also coincided with the same season Brett Hull left
Dallas and the same year that Ed Belfour ceased to be a reliable
netminder.
Opps, and he also left the same year the entire Dallas defense took a
giant step backwards.
>
Earl
> In article <W2F48.16459$Ii5.4...@news20.bellglobal.com>,
> "Earl" <earl_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Same Shit Different Game
> >
> > Sloppy , disorganized, sometimes clueless play, Jose Theodore first
star.
> > Some things never change.
>
> Earl, you were watching a replay of a different game.
>
Really, I thought I saw an Ottawa team get many high quality scoring
opportunities in the first period off poor coverage and sloppy turnovers.
Did you not see this? The score flattered the Habs in every way, and
Theodore alone kept this game close.
> >
> > Ken Hitchcock could straighten this mess out and get the team into the
> > playoffs :)
> >
> Oh yeah, if Hitch had been coaching, the Habs would have won by at least
> 3 goals, maybe 4 or 5.
>
> --Mike
Try to keep up with the smilies and tongue in cheek humour, but there is a
great deal of truth in what I say.
Earl
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So, what are you saying Rob, that Hitchcock is NOT a good coach, that his
availability is NOT an opportunity for this team to upgrade at the coaching
position. Are you agreeing that his record is COMPLETELY due to the magic
of Mike Modano?
I don't think you're saying all this, because I know you're not an idiot, I
think you're just a little gnarly today.
Mike Chamberlain
"Earl" <earl_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <robhy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3c547b7f...@news1.on.sympatico.ca...
> >
> > >
> > >I absolutely agree with you Mike Modano is one of the premier players in
> the
> > >game, and underated if there is such a thing at the super-hyped star
> player
> > >level. But Mike, come on, there has been NO coach over the past 5
> years
> > >who has got more from his players, and has got more from what he had than
> > >Hitch. He may be a tyrant by today's NHL standards, but all his Dallas
> > >teams have had a shot at the Stanley Cup every year. His departure will
> > >coincide with a downturn in the fortunes of the Dallas club.
> > >
> >
> > Wow Earl, what a bold prediction.
> >
> > His departure also coincided with the same season Brett Hull left
> > Dallas and the same year that Ed Belfour ceased to be a reliable
> > netminder.
> >
> > Opps, and he also left the same year the entire Dallas defense took a
> > giant step backwards.
> > >
Good points by Rob. Hull left, so Gainey went out and got Audette and
Turgeon. But Hitchcock tried to use them to replace Mike Keane, who
also left. Bad idea.
The Stars are going to decline, but they are in decline with or without
Hitchcock.
>
> So, what are you saying Rob, that Hitchcock is NOT a good coach, that his
> availability is NOT an opportunity for this team to upgrade at the coaching
> position.
You know how I feel about this. Hitchcock is NOT the right coach for
the Habs right now. Not because he instills discipline, but because he
doesn't know how to coach a bunch of small, fast forwards who aren't
classic grinders.
>Are you agreeing that his record is COMPLETELY due to the magic
> of Mike Modano?
Can't speak for Rob, but without Modano, the Stars are a second rank
team.
>
> I don't think you're saying all this, because I know you're not an idiot, I
> think you're just a little gnarly today.
>
Thanks, Earl.
--Mike
marty
robhy...@yahoo.com wrote:
Yeah, and finally he ran almost every free agent they signed out of town because
he expects all his players to play one way. There is a dangerous inflexibility
there for sure. Hitchcock will be a coach again very soon. It will be interesting
to see him take over a team without Modano, Niewendyke (how the hell do you spell
this guy's name???), Hatcher, and Hull and see what he can do with it. Fact is,
he inherited a team ready for greatness and ran with the ball quite well, but
there is no reason to think he's Scotty Bowman yet, despite his record. Bowman
was the master of getting the most out of any type player. Bowman never liked
Paul Coffey, yet coached two teams to Stanley Cups with him, and used him in a
prominent role! He could use guys whose style he didn't even like, and still put
them in a position to succeed. Hitchcock could use a lesson there.
Didn't Mike Keenan have a terrific record for a while??? Stanley Cup ring and
all, does anyone want him coaching the Habs? I don't. Why? Because he runs half
the players out of town if he stays too long. So is Hitchcock going to follow the
path of a Bowman or a Keenan?
marty
marty
Earl wrote:
> M
> > Oh yeah, if Hitch had been coaching, the Habs would have won by at least
> > 3 goals, maybe 4 or 5.
> >
> > --Mike
>
> Try to keep up with the smilies and tongue in cheek humour, but there is a
> great deal of truth in what I say.
Yes, oh Swami.
marty
Earl
Well, Marty if you're going to short change Hitchcock this way, then to be
fair you need to point out that some of Bowmans teams, namely his Habs,
Penguins, and REd Wings teams, could have won Stanley Cups with a propped up
broom behind the bench.
Hitchcock is widely considered one of the best in the Biz, and the
absolutely best currently available. My point is not rocket science, you
can only hire a great coach when he becomes available, and Hitch is
available NOW. This is not a "Therrien sucks" smear campaign but rather a
"Hitch is available let's get him" campaign. But my campaign is over,
because there is no appetite for it here, but rest assured when Hitch is
leading the Caps or the Devils or whatever team he choses to the Stanley
Cup, and Habs fans are lamenting over the current 5 game winless skid and
the lack of discipline and want to skin alive their coach, I may reserve the
right to point out the incredibly obvious - that Hitchcock was there for the
taking and this team would have none of it.
David Bernardi
"Earl" <earl_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
This is not a "Therrien sucks" smear campaign but rather a
> "Hitch is available let's get him" campaign. But my campaign is over,
> because there is no appetite for it here, but rest assured when Hitch is
> leading the Caps or the Devils or whatever team he choses to the Stanley
> Cup, and Habs fans are lamenting over the current 5 game winless skid and
> the lack of discipline and want to skin alive their coach, I may reserve
the
> right to point out the incredibly obvious - that Hitchcock was there for
the
> taking and this team would have none of it.
All due respect to Hitchcock, but I don't think he's a good fit for the Habs
right now. The Devils, sure, but not the Habs (unless you trade half the
team). Robinson, on the other hand, is a guy I'd like to see behind the
bench. I say make he and Carbo co-head coaches next season, and send
Therrien back to Quebec. Not something that would ever happen, but wouldn't
that be interesting?
Mike Chamberlain
"Earl" <earl_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
rest assured when Hitch is
> leading the Caps or the Devils or whatever team he choses to the Stanley
> Cup, and Habs fans are lamenting over the current 5 game winless skid and
> the lack of discipline and want to skin alive their coach, I may reserve the
> right to point out the incredibly obvious - that Hitchcock was there for the
> taking and this team would have none of it.
>
You will have every right to say "I told you so" if this happens.
--Mike
Mike Chamberlain
Mike Chamberlain <mi...@rocler.qc.ca> wrote:
Just to add to that, if it does happen, Earl, I will anoint you my own
personal god, I will buy you drinks, I will introduce you to attractive
young women.....
Earl
> personal god, I will buy you drinks, I will introduce you to attractive
> young women.....
Crown Royal with Sleeman Cream Ale chasers, bring your credit card.
If you are making introductions she had better be blonde, attractive, and oh
yah, she had better be my current girlfriend, otherwise there may be 2
Hitchcocks looking for work (if you know what i mean) .
marty
Mike Chamberlain wrote:
Ack! No he doesn't! Not if he picks teams that have a similar record to Montreal
despite the fact they are vastly underachieving. Not teams with a load of talent
but who seem to have completely lost their way. If he takes over a team like
Phoenix and leads them to Stanley Cup territory within a few years, then I'll tip
my hat to Earl and Hitch!
marty
Mike Chamberlain
marty <marty...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You have a point Marty, but a promise is a promise.
--Mike