Waiver guys?
Bloke
I am wondering which guys would have to clear
waivers (and which ones would not) in order to
be sent down to Hamilton.
interpol
and Plekanec can't be sent back to Hamilton
without clearing waivers ... that's a
problem for Bob Gainey. They have to
stay with Montreal, be traded, or they
risk being lost without anything in return ...
I don't know if we could lose both.
Latendresse, Higgins, and Perezhogin
are safe. Higgins and Perezhogin can
be sent back to Hamilton. Similarly, Latendresse
can be sent back to his junior team.
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Bloke
are safe to stick with the team. It would be a pity
to see Vandermeer stick and Higgins or Perezhogin
have to be sent down. If Latendresse is going to
stay then another forward would have to be sent
down or out. That might make it hard to keep him
up despite his great play. At least they have some
difficult choices to make this season, it is nice to
have some depth up front.
Marty
s...@magma.ca:
>> With respect to the young forwards, Hossa
>> and Plekanec can't be sent back to Hamilton
>> without clearing waivers ... that's a
>> problem for Bob Gainey. They have to
>> stay with Montreal, be traded, or they
>> risk being lost without anything in return ...
>> I don't know if we could lose both.
>>
>> Latendresse, Higgins, and Perezhogin
>> are safe. Higgins and Perezhogin can
>> be sent back to Hamilton. Similarly, Latendresse
>> can be sent back to his junior team.
>>
> Thanks for the info. I think Plekanec and Hossa
> are safe to stick with the team.
Yeah. What might have been a problem isn't a problem. These two have been
the best young guy in the pre-season, along with Latendresse. Montreal
has enough roster spots for these two. They're in.
I'm wondering if Perezhogin might get sent down though. I'm not noticing
him as much as I would have thought, considering he was our highest rated
prospect, supposedly would have been ready last season, and has stiff
competition from the other young guys to make the team. I think there's a
chance they send him down, even just as a wake-up call.
I could even see Latendresse sticking for up to 10 games, if the rules
are as before. I think junior players can play 10 games without losing
junior eligiblity...can someone verify? Anyway, if so, I could see
Perezhogin getting sent down to make room for him, then getting called up
after Latendresses 10 game are up...unless Latendresse shoots the lights
out.
Thats all idle speculation of course, but I think the last few pre-season
games are going to be very meaningful for the young guys.
It would be a pity
> to see Vandermeer stick and Higgins or Perezhogin
> have to be sent down. If Latendresse is going to
> stay then another forward would have to be sent
> down or out. That might make it hard to keep him
> up despite his great play. At least they have some
> difficult choices to make this season, it is nice to
> have some depth up front.
>
>
>
Yep. :)
Marty
Bloke
> are as before. I think junior players can play 10 games without losing
> junior eligiblity...can someone verify? Anyway, if so, I could see
> Perezhogin getting sent down to make room for him, then getting called up
> after Latendresses 10 game are up...unless Latendresse shoots the lights
> out.
>
both Higgins and Perezhogin may need to be sent
down to give Latendresse a shot (unless they decide
to put Sundstrom on waivers, which I think would be
pre-mature).
J.P Paradis
takes him. I think we easily have enough young players to take his roster
spot. The only problem is if no team takes him, we are paying his 1 million
dollar salary to play in the minors.
J.P
"Bloke" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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crussellp
.48 ppg
Guy Carbonneau and Niklas Sundstrom. Are they that unalike? They are
both necessary. Neither really lights up (or lit-up) the scoreboard.
If Sundstrom's name was Jean-Paul Gavreau from Joliet, this would not
even be a conversation.
We need Sundstrom.
End of story.
GoHabsGo
While I agree that Sundstrom is a decent player. There's NO WAY he can be
compared to Carbo. Carbo was loaded with heart and grit, a captain true
team leader. His prowess at face-offs and blocking shots and defending
against the best in the league were tops in the league. Who would you
prefer? Sundstrom in his prime or Carbo in his? No contest. And I don't
care that Sundstrom's first name isn't Jean-Guy! Why do we need to keep
bringing up the damn French/English thing? This is similar to generalizing
that Avery did. It is just plain wrong.
crussellp
non Franco players but should an non Franco suggest that a French
speaking player get out of town, they get called a bigot.
I am not saying Sundstrom is as good as Carbo was, what I am saying is
that they serve the same purpose on the roster.
GoHabsGo
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> It should cut both ways. The Franco's call for the heads of marginal
> non Franco players but should an non Franco suggest that a French
> speaking player get out of town, they get called a bigot.
They should not be called a bigot just for suggesting getting rid of a
player that is not of the same ethnic background as they are unless their
reasons are prejudiced. IE He's not as good as player B because he's not
.. <my ethnicity>
If it is because he doesn't fit in due to incomplete skills or if someone
with better skills can relpace them, ethnicity has no bearing. The
Francophone media in Montreal, however DOES play favourites. Look at the
case of Latendresse. Hossa has been very good in the preseason also but
has he gotten even a fraction of the coverage?
> I am not saying Sundstrom is as good as Carbo was, what I am saying is
> that they serve the same purpose on the roster.
Not the same purpose. They are both playing defensive roles, but Carbo
played center - Sundstrom the wing. Sundstrom does more or less what he is
told. Carbo took the bull by the horns and directed his line mates.
Give me Carbo back anyday!
jon
Not sure, but the CBA says this:
WAIVER DRAFT
Will there continue to be a Waiver Draft?
The CBA does not provide for the continuation of the Waiver Draft.
J.P Paradis
replace him on the 3rd line. Carbonneau was a leader on and off the ice.
Sundstrom is a defensive forward. I don't know why this is a language thing.
I don't know many people who wanted to keep Juneau around as a defensive
forward.
J.P
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crussellp
going to make me sick.
I promise to stop with the English v French crap... (I reread my post
and decided that I was... off.. I was bitchy and tired OK?!)
But seriously, do you think that Carbo would be playing for us for
$988k in this current NHL economic structure?
People keep bitching an whining that he is taking the place of a
younger and more talented player who could score goals. That is not his
job! If he can chip in 10 or 12 goals a year than great! But his job is
not scoring goals. He has to shut down the other teams top forwards on
the PK. What kind of ice time does he get? 10-15 min a game? What
younger player would benefit from that role and ice time? (Not to
mention playing with Bégin!)
As for Sunddies leadership qualities, how on earth do you know he
isn't a leader in the locker room? What number do you wear? How many
guys on our team can have the experience of playing on the same line as
Wayne Gretzky? Do you think that perhaps he has a few things to teach
our younger players? The guy is a tenacious penalty killer, and usually
comes to the game with a lunch box.
I am not on his fan club and I don't call him Sunny (That's his nick
name...), but I can recognise that we need him with Bégin as a good
penalty kill duo that costs us around $1.6 a year.
Hey, I suppose I am the only one who feels this way.
Over and out.
CRP
Bloke
>
other hand is available and under contract. He is not
the player Carbo was, or Gainey or other greats but
he does serve a role.
-TGP-
Over and out.
CRP
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Nope. I also agree with you...we can't have all small offensive forwards,
we need a defensive guy, and Sundstrom does his job well.
Jim Bauch
"jon" <j...@canada.ca> wrote in message
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> Not sure, but the CBA says this:
It's actually the CBA FAQ on NHL.com that you're quoting
> WAIVER DRAFT
>
> Will there continue to be a Waiver Draft?
>
> The CBA does not provide for the continuation of the Waiver Draft.
You're talking about two different things.
The waiver draft was a once-a-year thing, where each team could only protect
a fixed number of players, and all other players with more than a certain
amount of NHL experience were available to be drafted by another team.
The original poster was asking which players will have to clear waivers if
they are sent down to the minors. As far as I know, this system is still in
place.
barber_...@ns.sympatico.ca
"-TGP-" <axxerd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Other teams, top teams are able to muster up some offence from their
checking lines such as shorthanded goals, scoring chances created by their
checking skills but, in the past Sundstroms line has gone a few games with
hardly a shot on goal.
-TGP-
> checking lines such as shorthanded goals, scoring chances created by their
> checking skills but, in the past Sundstroms line has gone a few games with
> hardly a shot on goal.
First off...who was on his line?
And either way, who cares?? It is a defensive line...he does his job well.
Would it be better to load all of our young offensive guys on the checking
line and watch their +/- sink ?
barber_...@ns.sympatico.ca
I would rather take the Detroit approach to defence where the best defence
is maintaining possession and control of the puck. The Canadian approach has
been more to disrupt the offensive play of the other team, breaking up
passing, stopping the movement of the puck into the Montreal zone. That
approach allows the other team to maintain control of the flow of the game,
shots on Theodore remain high. I would rather see the team trying to get 2
goal leads rather then thinking they can go into a shell and sit on a 1 goal
lead.
Yes I would like to see younger players on the line , but ones with the
skills to develop into good two way players.