Trade suggestion (Canucks-Habs)
Helene Ducharme
Here is a trade suggestion :
Rucinsky (or Bure), T-Bo and Wilkie
FOR
Kirk Mclean and Alexander Mogilny.
Anaheim has Selanne and Kariya
Colorado has Sakic and Forsberg
Philadelphie has Lindros and Leclair
Pittsburgh has Jagr and Lemieux
Ny Rangers has Gretzky and Messier
Montreal could have Koivu and Mogilny!!
Why not???
Let me know.
Helene
Darren Fraser
- I'd rather see Rucinsky stay and Bure leave if it came sown to that, but I'm not sure if Mogilny is worth chasing after. Coming off a good year last season, he's pretty well been a floater this year. If he *is* really hurting for a high calibre centre, though, he could do much worse than Koivu.
- Interesting...
--
Darren Fraser
darren...@lightspeed.bc.ca
Gerald Olchowy
In article <32ED2D...@reseaubec.com>, Helene Ducharme <hduc...@reseaubec.com> writes:
|> Here is a trade suggestion :
|>
|> Rucinsky (or Bure), T-Bo and Wilkie
|> FOR
|> Kirk Mclean and Alexander Mogilny.
|>
If Tremblay had a personality conflict with a boy scout like Andrei
Kovalenko...Tremblay would be at Mogilny's throat within a week.
--
Gerald
Steve Legault
Helene Ducharme wrote:
>
> Here is a trade suggestion :
>
> Rucinsky (or Bure), T-Bo and Wilkie
> FOR
> Why not???
NOT... simply because Vancouver won't be that stupid!
Beside, Montreal has Koivu and Recchi... and Damphousse, and Richer,
and Corson, and then some...
Montreal needs a goalie.(Belfour would have been good!) <VBG>
Montreal needs defense players, or someone to show them how to play!
Montreal needs to stay healthy, can't do anything about that.
Some will say that the team needs a coach, but start by giving the
coach a team, and then we'll see...
Just my 2 cents...
Steve.
Steve Legault
Lisa Kriwonos
In article <32ED2D...@reseaubec.com> Helene Ducharme <hduc...@reseaubec.com> writes:
>Here is a trade suggestion :
>
>Rucinsky (or Bure), T-Bo and Wilkie
> FOR
>Kirk Mclean and Alexander Mogilny.
You'll have to do better than Rucinsky, T-Bo and Wilkie. I'd want Recchi
if I was Vancouver.
Lisa
Gerry Warner
> Rucinsky (or Bure), T-Bo and Wilkie
> FOR
> Kirk Mclean and Alexander Mogilny.
> Montreal could have Koivu and Mogilny!!
Montreal already has Koviu and Recchi.
> Why not???
Because Mogilny is 100% Pure Cancer from Concentrate, he's
poison, and any team that would take him *even for free* is crazy.
Some guys, no matter how talented, just aren't worth the
trouble. Mogilny's one of 'em. We have offense, we have
flashy heartless players, we may even have some big egos and
selfish boors. So Mogilny doesn't give us anything we don't
already have too much of. Get us a Grade-A tough-as-nails 2-way
d-man, a premier powerforward, or don't get us anything. The only
other thing the Habs need is time and patience.
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happydog
Because pat quinn isn't that stupid
a guy who got 55 goals last year and a top notch goalie for 3 nobodys?
I THINK NOT
In article <5cjrda$2...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>,
gwa...@chat.carleton.ca says...
Marc-P. Roussy
>Here is a trade suggestion :
>
>Rucinsky (or Bure), T-Bo and Wilkie
> FOR
>Kirk Mclean and Alexander Mogilny.
>
>Anaheim has Selanne and Kariya
>Colorado has Sakic and Forsberg
>Philadelphie has Lindros and Leclair
>Pittsburgh has Jagr and Lemieux
>Ny Rangers has Gretzky and Messier
>Montreal could have Koivu and Mogilny!!
>
>Why not???
>
>Let me know.
>
>Helene
Well, it doesn't SEEM too bad, but I think Pavel would be better than
Mogilny, mogilny isnt consistent enough and montreal only has
IN-consistent players.
Shawn Wright
On 28 Jan 1997, Gerry Warner wrote:
> Helene Ducharme (hduc...@reseaubec.com) wrote:
> > Here is a trade suggestion :
>
> > Rucinsky (or Bure), T-Bo and Wilkie
> > FOR
> > Kirk Mclean and Alexander Mogilny.
>
> > Montreal could have Koivu and Mogilny!!
>
> Montreal already has Koviu and Recchi.
>
> > Why not???
>
> Because Mogilny is 100% Pure Cancer from Concentrate, he's
> poison, and any team that would take him *even for free* is crazy.
> Some guys, no matter how talented, just aren't worth the
> trouble. Mogilny's one of 'em. We have offense, we have
> flashy heartless players, we may even have some big egos and
> selfish boors. So Mogilny doesn't give us anything we don't
> already have too much of. Get us a Grade-A tough-as-nails 2-way
> d-man, a premier powerforward, or don't get us anything. The only
> other thing the Habs need is time and patience.
>
I think the media (especially TSN) have destroyed Mogilny's character
unecessarily and distastfully. for example. He had previously said that
it would be nice if Vancouver would go out and get a centericeman that
they have lacked for years (Linden is a true winger) and the Vancouver
media made this statement as HUGE news and everyone jumped on the
bandwagon. Then after the rumor became out of control the media had asked
if he wnated to be traded because of a bad rumor. Alexander convincingly
said (on TV) he did not say that and does not want to be traded. THen of
course TSN on the very next night (who is the most irresponsible media
around) said on national television that he was whinning and demanded a
trade unless Van. got a centerman.
I just couldn't believe it!! I don't know who to blame on TSN.
But I'm sure Bob Mack, and Gord Miller do their own research (or do they?)
I have always thought Alex a great interview being very true in character
and sincere and would not be so low as to demand a trade because of such
minorality.
I for one would love to see him in a Hab uniform. As long as he was traded
for another Euro (for playoff purposes)
Shawn W
Taha, A. Taha
On 28 Jan 1997, Lisa Kriwonos wrote:
> In article <32ED2D...@reseaubec.com> Helene Ducharme <hduc...@reseaubec.com> writes:
> >Here is a trade suggestion :
> >
> >Rucinsky (or Bure), T-Bo and Wilkie
> > FOR
> >Kirk Mclean and Alexander Mogilny.
>
> You'll have to do better than Rucinsky, T-Bo and Wilkie. I'd want Recchi
> if I was Vancouver.
>
i tried to pass this one off on the vancouver newsgroup to test the pulse
about 3 weeks ago. not exactly but something similar.
Bure Bureau + 5th rounder
for
Mogilny
according to most people there, they need a 'big defensive defenceman'
(who doesnt) and a big tough centre. even though we might have Quintal
who fits the bill on big defensive defenceman, we have no big centers.
and the feel i got was that they would not trade Moginly for anything
less than Koivu or Recchi or Damphousse.
so scratch that one
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Gerry Warner
Shawn Wright (v7...@unb.ca) wrote:
> I think the media (especially TSN) have destroyed Mogilny's character
> unecessarily and distastfully. for example. He had previously said that
> it would be nice if Vancouver would go out and get a centericeman that
> they have lacked for years (Linden is a true winger) and the Vancouver
> media made this statement as HUGE news and everyone jumped on the
> bandwagon. Then after the rumor became out of control the media had asked
> if he wnated to be traded because of a bad rumor. Alexander convincingly
> said (on TV) he did not say that and does not want to be traded. THen of
> course TSN on the very next night (who is the most irresponsible media
> around) said on national television that he was whinning and demanded a
> trade unless Van. got a centerman.
> I just couldn't believe it!! I don't know who to blame on TSN.
> But I'm sure Bob Mack, and Gord Miller do their own research (or do they?)
Heh, I don't even get TSN anymore, so there! :) Can't blame those
guys for my negative perspective on Mogilny.
> I have always thought Alex a great interview being very true in character
> and sincere and would not be so low as to demand a trade because of such
> minorality.
I just don't like whiners, whatever they're whining about. Don't
whine. That's all I ask. :) Mogilny had his little temper tantrums
in practise, and it's not his job to tell Pat Quinn what to do
personnel wise. He's not a team player.
> I for one would love to see him in a Hab uniform. As long as he was traded
> for another Euro (for playoff purposes)
Nah, I don't think I'd even trade Bureau or Quintal for Mogilny.
(And for Paul...don't you just wish you were in the UWHP in
the days when I actually had Mogilny on my roster!!! I
single-handedly rebuilt San Jose with one nifty trade! :).
Shawn Wright
On 30 Jan 1997, Gerry Warner wrote:
> Shawn Wright (v7...@unb.ca) wrote:
>
> > I think the media (especially TSN) have destroyed Mogilny's character
> > unecessarily and distastfully. for example. He had previously said that
> > it would be nice if Vancouver would go out and get a centericeman that
> > they have lacked for years (Linden is a true winger) and the Vancouver
> > media made this statement as HUGE news and everyone jumped on the
> > bandwagon. Then after the rumor became out of control the media had asked
> > if he wnated to be traded because of a bad rumor. Alexander convincingly
> > said (on TV) he did not say that and does not want to be traded. THen of
> > course TSN on the very next night (who is the most irresponsible media
> > around) said on national television that he was whinning and demanded a
> > trade unless Van. got a centerman.
> > I just couldn't believe it!! I don't know who to blame on TSN.
> > But I'm sure Bob Mack, and Gord Miller do their own research (or do they?)
>
> Heh, I don't even get TSN anymore, so there! :)
Interesting. You sure wouldn't miss any Hab games :) and you dont
like any other sports:) so good for you...saving those extra pennies:)
Can't blame those
> guys for my negative perspective on Mogilny.
Just pointing out bad journalism tis'all.
> > I have always thought Alex a great interview being very true in character
> > and sincere and would not be so low as to demand a trade because of such
> > minorality.
>
> I just don't like whiners, whatever they're whining about. Don't
> whine. That's all I ask. :) Mogilny had his little temper tantrums
> in practise, and it's not his job to tell Pat Quinn what to do
> personnel wise. He's not a team player.
I don't like whiners either and believe they become detrimental to a team
one way or another. But I must ask when has he whined? Living over here
in the east I may miss the Mogilny outlashes via media. When in Buffalo,
he portrayed himself as a quiet player just loving playing the game. If
you mean this current outlash, the way I see it he only brought the
subject up harmlessly, albeit carelessly; (but I'm sure he'll learn like
most have had to in the past). The fact that he is a rich sports
celebrity seems to give the media a chance to further their own careers
because he or she broke a big story. And Unfortunatly, false print is all
to frequent and forgivable by the fans and celebrities involved.
babble, babble.. like I said I may have missed the boat on Alex if
indeed I have not seen previous Mogilny grevences. But this is the first
I've heard even if it was a misunderstanding.
>
> Nah, I don't think I'd even trade Bureau or Quintal for Mogilny.
Sure. and I suppose if given for free you still wouldn't take Leetch,
Ozolnish or Mario (no matter how much crying this particular player does).
Shawn W
Paul Tanasi
Gerry Warner (gwa...@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> I just don't like whiners, whatever they're whining about. Don't
> whine. That's all I ask. :) Mogilny had his little temper tantrums
> in practise, and it's not his job to tell Pat Quinn what to do
> personnel wise. He's not a team player.
> (And for Paul...don't you just wish you were in the UWHP in
> the days when I actually had Mogilny on my roster!!! I
> single-handedly rebuilt San Jose with one nifty trade! :).
Sort of like what I've done with the Turgeon-Hasek-Smolinski deals :)
I mean I didn't rob anyone but I did walkaway with some decent points.
Funny how I dealt Hirsch and kept McLean and now McLean is the #1 in VAN
again for now :)
--
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Shawn Wright
> Could be. I still don't like him, though. :)
Fair enough :)
> > > Nah, I don't think I'd even trade Bureau or Quintal for Mogilny.
>
> > Sure. and I suppose if given for free you still wouldn't take Leetch,
> > Ozolnish or Mario (no matter how much crying this particular player does).
>
> True. Well, assuming that I wouldn't be allowed to turn around
> and trade those guys somewhere else, that is. I mean, sure, give
> me Leetch for free, and I'll cheerfully send him to some other
> team for a couple of 1st rounders or something like that. But
> I wouldn't want him on my team. Ditto Mario, Jagr, Ozolinsh,
> Housley, Hull, Turgeon, Nedved and a cast of other excellent players
> whom I don't like, for whatever irrational and misguided reasons. :)
> No doubt they're truly all fine fellows IRL, and obviously they're
> fine players. But from the larger-than-life-these-aren't-real-
> people-just-entertainment-icons/media-fabrications perspective, I
> don't like 'em. :)
Does anyone really :) I mean come on it must be nice to work at something
you love for millions of dollars.
But I must ask, how come you loved Patrick so much. He is exactly the
same type. Any player that becomes a star usually enter that
larger-than-life-these-aren't-real-people-just-entertainment-icons/media-
fabrication. The way I see it is that as long as the players don't let it
go to their heads then they are worthy of much higher praise. I'd say
guys like Jagr, and Koivu are good examples whereas someone like Brett may
let his fame endower him and hence his ego shines through.
Good POD BTW.
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Gerry Warner
Shawn Wright (v7...@unb.ca) wrote:
> I don't like whiners either and believe they become detrimental to a team
> one way or another. But I must ask when has he whined? Living over here
> in the east I may miss the Mogilny outlashes via media. When in Buffalo,
> he portrayed himself as a quiet player just loving playing the game. If
> you mean this current outlash, the way I see it he only brought the
> subject up harmlessly, albeit carelessly; (but I'm sure he'll learn like
> most have had to in the past). The fact that he is a rich sports
> celebrity seems to give the media a chance to further their own careers
> because he or she broke a big story. And Unfortunatly, false print is all
> to frequent and forgivable by the fans and celebrities involved.
> babble, babble.. like I said I may have missed the boat on Alex if
> indeed I have not seen previous Mogilny grevences. But this is the first
> I've heard even if it was a misunderstanding.
Could be. I still don't like him, though. :)
> > Nah, I don't think I'd even trade Bureau or Quintal for Mogilny.
> Sure. and I suppose if given for free you still wouldn't take Leetch,
> Ozolnish or Mario (no matter how much crying this particular player does).
True. Well, assuming that I wouldn't be allowed to turn around
and trade those guys somewhere else, that is. I mean, sure, give
me Leetch for free, and I'll cheerfully send him to some other
team for a couple of 1st rounders or something like that. But
I wouldn't want him on my team. Ditto Mario, Jagr, Ozolinsh,
Housley, Hull, Turgeon, Nedved and a cast of other excellent players
whom I don't like, for whatever irrational and misguided reasons. :)
No doubt they're truly all fine fellows IRL, and obviously they're
fine players. But from the larger-than-life-these-aren't-real-
people-just-entertainment-icons/media-fabrications perspective, I
don't like 'em. :) You have to have good guys and bad guys in
this sort of thing...it wouldn't be very entertaining if everybody
was a good guy. :)
Gerry Warner
Shawn Wright (v7...@unb.ca) wrote:
> Does anyone really :) I mean come on it must be nice to work at something
> you love for millions of dollars.
> But I must ask, how come you loved Patrick so much.
I didn't. I'm generally just a touch above indifferent towards
Roy. But in general, he has sort of a good-natured cockiness
that makes him slightly more endearing than the average faceless
netminder.
> He is exactly the
> same type. Any player that becomes a star usually enter that
> larger-than-life-these-aren't-real-people-just-entertainment-icons/media-
> fabrication.
Actually, I count *every* NHL player in that category. From Mike
Keane to Mario Lemeieux, I don't know anything about them beyond
their entertainment personas. Those shallow observations are all
I have to go on in choosing Good Guys and Bad Guys. Not ideal,
but hey, it's all I've got.
> The way I see it is that as long as the players don't let it
> go to their heads then they are worthy of much higher praise. I'd say
> guys like Jagr, and Koivu are good examples whereas someone like Brett may
> let his fame endower him and hence his ego shines through.
And I actually see Jagr in the latter category, so that just
goes to show you how trivial and meaningless such personal
judgements are. But again, they're all we've got.
Vizh
Marc-P. Roussy wrote:
>
> On Mon, 27 Jan 1997 14:32:53 -0800, Helene Ducharme
> <hduc...@reseaubec.com> wrote:
>
> > FOR
> >Kirk Mclean and Alexander Mogilny.
>
> Mogilny, mogilny isnt consistent enough and montreal only has
> IN-consistent players.
The people in this newsgroup really make me laugh sometimes. "Why
settle for Mogilny? Let's get Pavel!"
You want Pavel Bure? OK. Now pretend you're the Vancouver GM, and you
have Pavel on your team. Montreal wants him. What do you ask from
Montreal to make YOUR team better than it is? Would YOU give up Bure
for Rucinsky, T-Bo and Wilkie? No? Then what the hell makes you think
Vancouver would?
Trade talk is only interesting when it remains in the realm of the
possible. Otherwise, we could just fantasize and drool about trading
Rivet for Ozolinsh, Tucker + draft pick for Sakic, and Jablonski for
Osgood.
Man, what a team we'd have then, eh?
--
(c) Vizh 1997
IN DOGS WE THRUST!
Shawn Wright
On 31 Jan 1997, Gerry Warner wrote:
> Shawn Wright (v7...@unb.ca) wrote:
> > Does anyone really :) I mean come on it must be nice to work at something
> > you love for millions of dollars.
> > But I must ask, how come you loved Patrick so much.
>
> I didn't. I'm generally just a touch above indifferent towards
> Roy. But in general, he has sort of a good-natured cockiness
> that makes him slightly more endearing than the average faceless
> netminder.
The original point was why you wouldn't like some of these stars on the
team. And I know you were happy when Patrick was here. for that matter
if Brian Leetch was scoring a hundred points or close to it, you would be
happy with him to. What about Forsberg? You have said you would love to
have him on this team. WHy? Personaly Sakic would be my choice:)
> > He is exactly the
> > same type. Any player that becomes a star usually enter that
> > larger-than-life-these-aren't-real-people-just-entertainment-icons/media-
> > fabrication.
>
> Actually, I count *every* NHL player in that category.
So why say thats the reason why superstars shouldn't play on this
team if Tucker is in that category?
We all (me included) love the checking-role-blue-collar-working players
but a team can't consist of all those types of players and expect to win every
year. This is the point that you comming across with anyways. We won
with such a group in 93 but thats one year because with such a group
theres a need more veterns than not, therefore no long term plans. Its
nearly impossible to put together such a group that works good
enough together while having the perfect coach and lots of luck in the
playoffs. Maybey a somewhat fluke year like Florida. But they will never
get to the next step without a star player other than a goaltender.
Again,, In 93 our star player was in nets but we also had the Forum
boogie men in our corner :)
From Mike
> Keane to Mario Lemeieux, I don't know anything about them beyond
> their entertainment personas. Those shallow observations are all
> I have to go on in choosing Good Guys and Bad Guys. Not ideal,
> but hey, it's all I've got.
>
> > The way I see it is that as long as the players don't let it
> > go to their heads then they are worthy of much higher praise. I'd say
> > guys like Jagr, and Koivu are good examples whereas someone like Brett may
> > let his fame endower him and hence his ego shines through.
>
> And I actually see Jagr in the latter category,
Other than Fox commercials I don't see Jagr doing anything but concentrate
on his game. But on the other hand, some players don't like playing on
Pitts. anyways because there is no intensity. Stu Barns for one who has
said he likes playing there but sees no intensity because they can score
at will. BTW Pitts will lose the first round to Montreal.
Shawn W
James Wells
Gerry Warner <gwa...@chat.carleton.ca> wrote in article
<5ctqi4$g...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>...
> Shawn Wright (v7...@unb.ca) wrote:
> > Does anyone really :) I mean come on it must be nice to work at
something
> > you love for millions of dollars.
> > But I must ask, how come you loved Patrick so much.
>
> I didn't. I'm generally just a touch above indifferent towards
> Roy. But in general, he has sort of a good-natured cockiness
> that makes him slightly more endearing than the average faceless
> netminder.
>
Let the record show that I did not use this opportunity to take a stab at
Tbo. :)
> > The way I see it is that as long as the players don't let it
> > go to their heads then they are worthy of much higher praise. I'd say
> > guys like Jagr, and Koivu are good examples whereas someone like Brett
may
> > let his fame endower him and hence his ego shines through.
>
> And I actually see Jagr in the latter category, so that just
> goes to show you how trivial and meaningless such personal
> judgements are. But again, they're all we've got.
Jagr?? Not letting success go to his head?? Humph! Sorry to burst that line
of reasoning but all 1.8 million people here in Pittsburgh know Jagr is a
walking ego. He make Roy look as humble as a nun. And give Saku time, he
might very well turn into the same.
Tim
But Roy is still God
There are those that think, and those that dream
I, for one, refuse to choose between the two.
Elaine Cunningham - Tangled Webs
Star Wars: See it again..for the First time
May the Force be With You
Gerry Warner
Shawn Wright (v7...@unb.ca) wrote:
> The original point was why you wouldn't like some of these stars on the
> team. And I know you were happy when Patrick was here. for that matter
> if Brian Leetch was scoring a hundred points or close to it, you would be
> happy with him to.
Leetch, maybe. Lemieux...no. I don't think I could like him no
matter where he played.
> What about Forsberg? You have said you would love to
> have him on this team. WHy? Personaly Sakic would be my choice:)
Not that I wouldn't take Sakic too...but Forsberg combines more
of the aggression and physical play that I prefer. 'The Mist'
is rather less involved by nature.
> > > He is exactly the
> > > same type. Any player that becomes a star usually enter that
> > > larger-than-life-these-aren't-real-people-just-entertainment-icons/media-
> > > fabrication.
> > Actually, I count *every* NHL player in that category.
> So why say thats the reason why superstars shouldn't play on this
> team if Tucker is in that category?
No, no, that's not *the reason* why anybody shouldn't play on the
Habs. *All players* are known to me only by their 2-dimensional
media-relayed personalities...actually, make that only 1-dimensional,
since I don't even get to see a fraction of the media reports. It doesn't
matter if it's a star or a grinder, I still don't know them as anything
but entertainment icons/larger than life media fabrications/whatever.
But with such limited views on these players, its hardly any wonder that
I might develop a faulty impression of them...or at least, an impression
that is based only on their style of play, and nothing else. And in
the case of certain of these guys, such as Lemieux, Hull, Turgeon, etc,
I've decided not to like them; but that's just an impression based on
their hockey playing personas....I don't presume to make any lasting
or meaningful judgement on their true characters or personalities.
Nevertheless, I need to have Good Guys and Bad Guys for entertainment
purposes, so I'll go with the hasty and shallow info until something
better comes along.
Being good and on another team helps a guy earn the Bad Guy designation,
btw. It especially helps if I don't have that guy in my pool too. :)
> BTW Pitts will lose the first round to Montreal.
Heh, wanna bet? :)
Shawn Wright
On 1 Feb 1997, Gerry Warner wrote:
> Shawn Wright (v7...@unb.ca) wrote:
>
> > The original point was why you wouldn't like some of these stars on the
> > team. And I know you were happy when Patrick was here. for that matter
> > if Brian Leetch was scoring a hundred points or close to it, you would be
> > happy with him to.
>
> Leetch, maybe. Lemieux...no. I don't think I could like him no
> matter where he played.
I never liked his cockiness as a superstar because I was used to the
humbleness of Wayne and Lafleur and suddenly Mario tells us on air that
he knew that he would score on a breakaway as soon as he hit the blue
line. I'm sure the forementioned thought the same thing but would never
brag about it on HNIC. But any guy that can score 600 goals in under 720
games greatly outweighs his lack of backchecking tenacity :)
> > What about Forsberg? You have said you would love to
> > have him on this team. WHy? Personaly Sakic would be my choice:)
>
> Not that I wouldn't take Sakic too...but Forsberg combines more
> of the aggression and physical play that I prefer. 'The Mist'
> is rather less involved by nature.
There we go:) I thought you were half sane anyways:)
It's just that I think anyone who can score more goals than they cause on
the defensive end by 2-fould they will ALMOST always be there in the
playoffs. Plus there are alot of stars out there now that play good at
both ends of the ice, its just that we don't notice because we are fixated
on the offensive abilities and we don't see them play nearly enough to
judge fairly.
> > > > He is exactly the
> > > > same type. Any player that becomes a star usually enter that
> > > > larger-than-life-these-aren't-real-people-just-entertainment-icons/media-
> > > > fabrication.
> > > Actually, I count *every* NHL player in that category.
>
> > So why say thats the reason why superstars shouldn't play on this
> > team if Tucker is in that category?
>
> No, no, that's not *the reason* why anybody shouldn't play on the
> Habs. *All players* are known to me only by their 2-dimensional
> media-relayed personalities...actually, make that only 1-dimensional,
> since I don't even get to see a fraction of the media reports. It doesn't
> matter if it's a star or a grinder, I still don't know them as anything
> but entertainment icons/larger than life media fabrications/whatever.
> But with such limited views on these players, its hardly any wonder that
> I might develop a faulty impression of them...or at least, an impression
> that is based only on their style of play, and nothing else. And in
> the case of certain of these guys, such as Lemieux, Hull, Turgeon, etc,
> I've decided not to like them; but that's just an impression based on
> their hockey playing personas....
And I don't blame you, especially for someone like Turgeon because you
have seen first hand that his style seems to give him a limited chance at
sucess when the going gets rough, but with a guy like Lemieux who has
ConnSmythed himself to the Hall of fame, I just on't understand your
reasoning especially if you only judge by his play. I'd also say the boat
is still out on Hull because of his showing at the Canada errr..World Cup.
He has seemed to grow up over the years. OK.. OK.. but you have to
remember Keenan hasn't grown up either:)
I don't presume to make any lasting
> or meaningful judgement on their true characters or personalities.
you never do
> Nevertheless, I need to have Good Guys and Bad Guys for entertainment
> purposes, so I'll go with the hasty and shallow info until something
> better comes along.
fair enough, and it probably make you a better read :)
> Being good and on another team helps a guy earn the Bad Guy designation,
> btw. It especially helps if I don't have that guy in my pool too. :)
>
> > BTW Pitts will lose the first round to Montreal.
>
> Heh, wanna bet? :)
Oh ya.... your system.., so I suppose you even know who their 1st opponent
will be:)
Shawn W
Gerry Warner
Shawn Wright (v7...@unb.ca) wrote:
> Gerry said:
> > Not that I wouldn't take Sakic too...but Forsberg combines more
> > of the aggression and physical play that I prefer. 'The Mist'
> > is rather less involved by nature.
> There we go:) I thought you were half sane anyways:)
Hmm, is that a good thing or bad? I can't tell from the way you
said that! :)
> And I don't blame you, especially for someone like Turgeon because you
> have seen first hand that his style seems to give him a limited chance at
> sucess when the going gets rough, but with a guy like Lemieux who has
> ConnSmythed himself to the Hall of fame, I just on't understand your
> reasoning especially if you only judge by his play.
Style of play too...floats, dives, whines...if he'd just shut up and
play, if he'd give a full effort out there and play with some intensity,
he'd be *twice* as good as he is. And then maybe I'd like him.
Maybe not. If he was *that* good, and on an enemy team, I'd probably
have to at least resent him. :)
> I'd also say the boat
> is still out on Hull because of his showing at the Canada errr..World Cup.
> He has seemed to grow up over the years. OK.. OK.. but you have to
> remember Keenan hasn't grown up either:)
Actually, I tend to look at the Canada thing as a *positive* in
Hull's favour.
> > > BTW Pitts will lose the first round to Montreal.
> >
> > Heh, wanna bet? :)
> Oh ya.... your system.., so I suppose you even know who their 1st opponent
> will be:)
Did we ever get around to defining my 'system' last year? :) Heh,
there is nothing but my own wild guesses. And I don't start
guessing until the matchups are set...so naw, I have no idea who
the Pens will play. But whoever they play, part of my system
says that they'll lose. Unless they play the Habs. :) Always
bet against the Pens. That's my general policy. But I could make
an exception if they play a team as bad as the current Habs are. :)
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Taha, A. Taha
On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Marc-P. Roussy wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jan 1997 14:32:53 -0800, Helene Ducharme
> <hduc...@reseaubec.com> wrote:
>
> >Here is a trade suggestion :
> >
> >Rucinsky (or Bure), T-Bo and Wilkie
> > FOR
> >Kirk Mclean and Alexander Mogilny.
> >
> >Anaheim has Selanne and Kariya
> >Colorado has Sakic and Forsberg
> >Philadelphie has Lindros and Leclair
> >Pittsburgh has Jagr and Lemieux
> >Ny Rangers has Gretzky and Messier
> >Montreal could have Koivu and Mogilny!!
> >
> >Why not???
> >
> >Let me know.
> >
> >Helene
>
> Well, it doesn't SEEM too bad, but I think Pavel would be better than
> Mogilny, mogilny isnt consistent enough and montreal only has
> IN-consistent players.
>
Vancouver needs a big centre and a big solid physical stay at home d-man
just to give up Mogilny.
in other words they would take Corson and Baron. but we arent giving
them, so thats about the end of the discussion..
just imagine though. we would have given up Turgeon+fitz+conroy for
Mogilny+5th round pick
ouch
Vancouver has 3 grade-A right wingers and no centers. we could have gone
to them from the beginning. But i wouldnt have given up a Turgeon-center
for a Turgeon-winger.. the only person i would have taken from Vancouver
for Turgeon is Bure. and they arent about to trade him.
Yannick Martin
Why not Damphousse for Mogilny ?
We have enought center with Koivu, Bureau, Tucker and Corson.
Yannick Martin
Gerry Warner
> We have enought center with Koivu, Bureau, Tucker and Corson.
Two of whom are really wingers, and never mind that we have
Savage, Recchi, Rucinsky, Bure, Richer scoring on the wings.
We don't need Mogilny. We don't need *anything*, really.
Just time.
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