Savage to Avalanche???
DANIELB777
unlikely to return this season. Any thoughts on who would be Montréal-bound
under such a scenario?
Doug Norris
>Rumour has it that Pierre Lacroix is looking @ Savvy now that Forsberg seems
>unlikely to return this season. Any thoughts on who would be Montreal-bound
>under such a scenario?
Can't comment on that, but I can confirm that Michael Farber (SI) was on
the Denver sports radio station today talking about the likelihood of a
Savage->Colorado trade.
Earl
blindsided.
Who'da thunk? If Montreal can get a body that can make the roster then all
the power to Savard.
Listening to most here, Savage is not all that valuable. In his free agent
year, he'll be a giveaway. Take your pick of third/fourth liners from the
Av's prospect list - Larsen, Willisie, don't matter - they won't make an
impact.
Here's an idea - sign Savage and his .336 GPG to a contract.
DANIELB777 <danie...@aol.com> wrote in message
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<norr...@rintintin.colorado.edu> wrote:
> Can't comment on that, but I can confirm that Michael Farber (SI) was on
> the Denver sports radio station today talking about the likelihood of a
> Savage->Colorado trade.
just for fun Savard should ask for an "experienced" goaltender :-)
Doug Norris
Rick F. aka. Winkie
on this team who can get the same goal per game rate. Most nights he just
occupies space. Some nights he is a good finisher but when the bottom line
comes in he is not worth what we are paying him as he was being paid for
production that isn't there.
Tanguay is possible and I think given the right amount of ice-time and
people to play with will more than make up any loss we have in Savage.
Pretty much anyone from the Colorado roster will do. The one safe bet is
that we win on that trade
Savage will do very well in Colorado being fed with the puck and not having
to generate any offence on his own. As with any good trade it will be a
win-win for both clubs
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GrrWrnr
>
>Rumour has it that Pierre Lacroix is looking @ Savvy now that Forsberg seems
>unlikely to return this season. Any thoughts on who would be Montréal-bound
>under such a scenario?
The Avs have a lot of top line talent who would be untouchable under any such
scenario. And then they have a lot of lower line grinders and place-fillers
who wouldn't do us an iota of good. Obviously, Savage isn't going to fetch us
the top-liners. So it would be a tricky deal. I think we have to look purely
at picks and/or prospects, because we can't get any useful players from them,
and their depth forwards and depth defenders, even the young ones like Larsen
and Willsie, are no good to us.
Lacroix hasn't hesitated to deal his picks and prospects in UFA deals in the
past, so it isn't all bad. The Avs have had a chance to showcase quite a few
of their AHL prospects this season. Nedorost, Hahl, and Moore have had looks.
I don't think any of those players project as having an offensive impact of any
kind in the NHL. But I like them all as young depth components of a winning
team. Obviously, if Nedorost is offered, I'd take it from the Habs
perspective. Hahl or Moore, maybe. Kuleshov or Krestanovich, sure. But
putting all of these names into the hat, I'm still going to hope to pick out
the absolute wildest card from the Avs' prospect list... Marek Svatos.
Or give us their 1st pick. (No point in taking a lower pick for Savage, since
we'll get a 2nd or 3rd rounder as compensation if he walks as a UFA).
Basically, there is a lot of prospect ammunition that the Avs can offer, and
I'd be all for taking some combination of it.
Earl
Rick F. aka. Winkie <spo...@startrekmail.com> wrote in message
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> Still cant agree. If you match opportunity with the stats there are
people
> on this team who can get the same goal per game rate. Most nights he just
> occupies space. Some nights he is a good finisher but when the bottom
line
> comes in he is not worth what we are paying him as he was being paid for
> production that isn't there.
> Tanguay is possible and I think given the right amount of ice-time and
> people to play with will more than make up any loss we have in Savage.
Ok, this is where these trade discussions get out of hand. Are you
suggesting that Tanguay=Savage.Do you think Lacroix has had a labotomy?
Tanguay is one of the young bright
lights of this game, and Savage is a UFA in a few months. According to you,
Savage is useless, and I would place bets that Lacroix and his scouting
staff watch Savage more closely than you do.
So, there are only three ways to reconcile all of this, either you feel Alex
Tanguay is a fourth line hockey player, or that Colorado management can't
scout and can't assess talent (yeah right) and would vastly overpay for
Savage's service, or you slag Savage publicly, but somehow feel he is worth
one of the best young players in the NHL.
> Pretty much anyone from the Colorado roster will do. The one safe bet is
> that we win on that trade
> Savage will do very well in Colorado being fed with the puck and not
having
> to generate any offence on his own. As with any good trade it will be a
> win-win for both clubs
How does any player generate offense on his own? Who is feeding Savage for
those high percentage scoring chances?
Answer: Pretty much nobody Who on Savage's line is the sniper who can fill
the net from Savage's passing work
Answer: Pretty much nobody. So, apart from walking through the team and
scoring on his own, how can Savage generate offense beyond what he is
already generating?
By the way, Savage is still outperforming your beloved Vincent Lecavalier.
Rick F. aka. Winkie
stated publicly they are not happy with Tanguay this year so it is certainly
doable with the right components. Savage as you well know is incapable of
generating his own offence (that means taking the puck down the ice and
setting up a play). He has played with both Gilmour and Perrault and yet
has not been able to capitalise on his own opportunities. His stats reflect
someone with a very borderline shooting percentage for a top goal scorer.
Maybe it is the lack of quality feeds but the bottom line is that for the
amount of ice-time he has not been productive. With better feeds and
playing with another player who can score, he will do much better.
Well I am no big fan of any ex-leaf, Gilmour can field a pass and has found
the net in years past and when he was playing with Perrault seemed to play
much better...Leaf to Leaf maybe.
In recent times Savage has not been a liability which is a significant
improvement so lets hope we can get something for him. The Avs want him and
God knows they owe us big time so it is time to pay the piper and give us
tanguay...no not for nothing but for something they can sell. Savage and a
prospect seems to fit the bill.news:NQW08.19534$4i5.1...@news20.bellglobal.com...
SamSportsfan
Doug Norris
>When was the last time SI was right about anything?
Irrelevant. My point was that people are talking about it publicly. And
Farber generally knows his stuff.
Doug
George O'Reilly
Av's want goals and Tanguay is one of their current roster that has the ability
to do it. Doubt if they would trade him merely to get another guy that
can/should produce but isn't/may not. I would do the deal in a second even if
the Av's want someone else to boot eg. Chouinard. Savage is playing the worst
ever. Last night he was pitiful, Gilmour must be saying under his breathe
"please put someone on my line that can score". Seconds before Petrov's 2nd
goal Gilmour treated Savage to an easy slot chance and he let the thing simply
go through his legs, didn't even touch it, and he's supposed to be a sniper
looking for 5 million!
Earl
> goal Gilmour treated Savage to an easy slot chance and he let the thing
simply
> go through his legs, didn't even touch it, and he's supposed to be a
sniper
> looking for 5 million!
>
Let's be fair and stop this rumour here, it was reported that Savage turned
down 3 million, and Red Fisher compared him to the 5 million dollar
Lapointe, but Savage has never demanded 5 million.
marty
Earl wrote:
> Pretty much anyone from the Colorado roster will do. The one safe bet is
> > that we win on that trade
> > Savage will do very well in Colorado being fed with the puck and not
> having
> > to generate any offence on his own. As with any good trade it will be a
> > win-win for both clubs
>
> How does any player generate offense on his own? Who is feeding Savage for
> those high percentage scoring chances?
> Answer: Pretty much nobody Who on Savage's line is the sniper who can fill
> the net from Savage's passing work
> Answer: Pretty much nobody. So, apart from walking through the team and
> scoring on his own, how can Savage generate offense beyond what he is
> already generating?
>
Ask Petrov, who is now outscoring him. Or as Perreault. The point we've all made
is that Savage is supposed to be some sort of sniper, and he is not doing it.
For the second season in a row his +/- is atrocious. Whatever center gets paired
with him goes into a slump.
The knock against Savage is simple. All he does is shoot. He rarely carries the
puck, nor does he pass in the offensive zone. He shots from bad angles, from far
out, and essentially does little to generate offense beyond what he does for
himself. He does little grinding. So, at the end of the day, he must score. To
be valuable to a team, that is what he must do. He isn't doing enough of it.
This is why he could fit with a very top end center who would do almost all the
work, and he could get away with just skating and shooting. This is why he could
fit with a superior team who can pair him with two forwards who do all the other
stuff. Rob Brown used to score 50 goals with Lemieux but could do little with
average linemates. This is the type of player Savage is. Other players who are
more rounded could help Montreal better, because they could help generate
offense by more effective grinding, or making a smart pass rather than always
shooting. That is how they can generate more offense that Savage does, even with
a similar skill level. A player like I just described would create more chances
for his teammates.
Savage is a useful player, but circumstances have to be perfect to get maximum
benefit from a player who plays the way he does. In Montreal, without superstars
that can carry the play by themselves, Savage's finishing abilities are not of
much use. A team like Colorado could exploit his ability. As for Montreal, they
need a more rounded player, who might not score as many goals as Savage could
with a top flight center, but who could generate more offense overall by playing
a complete game, and creating chances and opportunities for other players.
marty
>
> By the way, Savage is still outperforming your beloved Vincent Lecavalier.
I know you're digging at Winkie, but even I got to address this. A 31 year old
UFA who should be playing his heart out for a new contract vs. a 22 year old
disgruntled center who wants to be traded. I'd say Lecavalier will have the
greater upside once the dust settles.
Vox
Savage for Drury straight accross. Av's would have to be drunk but I'd love
it.