Simon Gagne signing
Earl
seems rather remarkable that Richard Zednik is still putting his 44 point
performance forward and demanding $2M+ dollars per year. I think it's time
for Richard to strike a compromise on a one year deal, score 70 points in
the regular season, an additional 15 points in the playoffs and come back to
the table in one year's time.
Marty
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Gagne scored exactly 50% more than Zednik, and, like Zednik, had an equal
split between goals and assists. Both were second on their team in scoring.
So, I suppose it isn't much of a leap to argue that Gagne deserves about
50% more money, meaning a fair contract for Zednik would be about $1.67
million, or you could round that up a bit since both players were equal in
terms of team scoring. $1.7 to $1.8 million sound like a fair compromise.
That's lower than I thought, but as you point out, Zednik would have ample
opportunity to score more this year and give himself better numbers to
negotiatate with next season.
Marty
Earl
> Gagne scored exactly 50% more than Zednik, and, like Zednik, had an equal
> split between goals and assists. Both were second on their team in
scoring.
> So, I suppose it isn't much of a leap to argue that Gagne deserves about
> 50% more money, meaning a fair contract for Zednik would be about $1.67
> million, or you could round that up a bit since both players were equal in
> terms of team scoring. $1.7 to $1.8 million sound like a fair compromise.
> That's lower than I thought, but as you point out, Zednik would have ample
> opportunity to score more this year and give himself better numbers to
> negotiatate with next season.
>
> Marty
I read on TSN that Montreal is believed to have offered $1.5M and Zedniik
wants closer to $2M.
I suppose I can sympathize with Zednik, when players like Juneau, Quintal,
and Mckay are making around $2M, and you're being offered significantly less
than that, I can see why a hold might happen.
Conga
league. Zednick is a group two like Gagner and Tangay...
I think they call it putting in your time...
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couple of the others I mentioned).
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Earl
While I agree with your point of view to an extent, if these rules are
applied universally, Jose Theodore doesn't get a 16Million dollar deal, but
rather he's told he's a 25 year old with one good season under his belt and
offered a take-it-or-leave-it 2 million dollar contract. However, in the
big picture of the Canadiens, generosity seems to be extended only to key
names who can help in ticket sales.
Juneau, Quintal, and Gilmour are all making over the league average, and
given that all three were league cast offs sent a life line by the Habs, I
find it hard not finding anything wrong with this. No,.wait, let me
rephrase, I have a problem with it as long as Richard Zednik is sitting out
and fighting to get a comparable salary. Sure, Juneau and Quintal have
high appeal in Quebec and contribute to ticket sales. Gilmour is a
hall-of-famer, and that can't hurt ticket sales either. However, as a
hockey asset, none of these players remotely compare to Zednik, and yet
Zednik appears to be getting nickel and dimed like a rookie. It's the same
old problem of bad value systems for players in Montreal. The cynical side
of me thinks that were Zednik born and raised in Quebec, he'd be signed for
2.2 million by now.
I realize that playing some form of hardball with RFA's is about the only
way to keep salaries somewhat under control, however management has to be
consistent in how they value players. Juneau, Quintal, Brisebois, Perreault
and Gilmour are good examples of how the team brought in recognizeable names
to help market the team. I would argue that the first 3 are overpaid for
what they bring to the team, and IMHO are easily replaced. Zednik is not.
He's the second most valuable hockey asset on this team. He's proven enough
IMHO and I hope they sign him soon.
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Marty
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> I hit the send button before I completed this thought.
>
> While I agree with your point of view to an extent, if these rules are
> applied universally, Jose Theodore doesn't get a 16Million dollar
> deal, but rather he's told he's a 25 year old with one good season
> under his belt and offered a take-it-or-leave-it 2 million dollar
> contract. However, in the big picture of the Canadiens, generosity
> seems to be extended only to key names who can help in ticket sales.
You've clearly simplified this too much. Theodore was judged to be the
best player in the league at his position last year, and most valuable
player of all. There's no way a $2 million deal would suffice in
anyone's books. Look at the other MVP winners from the last few years.
Even though many haven't yet qualified for UFA status, they are getting
far more than $2 million dollars a season. Jose hit his peak at just the
right time, and as a result, Habs had no choice but to give him a
significant raise immediately, no matter the fact that he was still just
a RFA.
>
> Juneau, Quintal, and Gilmour are all making over the league average,
> and given that all three were league cast offs sent a life line by the
> Habs, I find it hard not finding anything wrong with this.
Firstly, Habs aren't responsible for Quintal's contract. In fact,
Quintal had the renegotiate his contract downward before Montreal
completed the trade for him.
Gilmour ended up being a bargain. He had just 3 points less than Zednik,
despite his well documented late start, and ended up providing grit and
leadership qualities that were very helpful for this team's growth. In
fact, Zednik seemed to pick up his game once he started playing with
Gilmour. I think he is a very poor example to make you point.
Juneau is the only guy who the Habs actually signed, and seems somewhat
overpaid even as a free agent. He still helped more than Darby would
have.
At the end of the day, I know your are generally loathe to signing free
agents from your past comments. However, in retrospect you now have to
admit that Savard must have dome something right last season, and his
free agent acquisitions were a big part of that. Does anyone believe the
Habs make the play-offs last season without Perreault, Juneau, and
Gilmour? At the end of the day, you pay more than you do for your own
RFA's, but that's the cost of obtaining a player for nothing but money.
Comparing the older, UFA eligible players to Zednik and his current
contract negotiation is pointless. They are not comparable, and it
confuses the issue.
Still, regarding Zednik's contract negotiation's I think that the
difference between $1.5 million and $2 million is an amount that should
be easy enough to close. I do think Zednik's back-to-back 20 goal
seasons make him worth closer to $2 million than 1.5, and I'm a guy who
rarely ever bothers commenting of contracts like this, especially siding
slightly with the player, as I am in this case. So I agree Savard should
be making more of an effort to get Zednik signed than we've been
hearing, but I think comparing the numbers thrown at him to our UFA
signing is irrelevant.
Marty
p.s. Oh, and by the way, last numbers I heard being thrown at Jose were $4
million per season, then he signed for abouyt $5.5 million, so sometimes it
is all about posturing...though it is getting kinda late for that.
George O'Reilly
important is how he performed down the stretch and in the playoffs. After all
he was the leagues leading scorer when he was assassinated. Yes maybe his was
a career year, then again, maybe it was a breakout year. Time will tell.
Whichever, his performance warrants him an increased salary. Using Gagne as a
guage is not a good comparasion IMO. Gagne is worth significantly more than
the Flyers signed him for. This excellent player was stiffed big time.
Winkie
players in the NHL. Zednick is poised to become the second best player on a
team with only one extra-talented player. Savard's offer of 1.73 is pretty
generous although I don't understand why he couldn't throw in the extra 20gs
to make it 1.75. Unless it is as I said before a dodge to protect Ribeiro
on the roster
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Winkie wrote:
> Unless it is as I said before a dodge to protect Ribeiro on the roster
Sorry, missed this earlier point. Could you enlarge on this for me and tell how
this situation will protect Ribeiro?
Winkie
if unprotected. RFAs unsigned are not part of the waiver draft as they are
theoretically available. If Zed is unprotected then there is a spot for
Ribby. Given that Zed's agent used to be Savard's my theory is that after
the waiver draft, Zed will be on the plane to habtown because of a
pre-cooked deal by Savard and his former agent.
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Conga
David Bernardi
does come back, doesn't someone have to go to the miniors to make room for
him, meaning they will have to clear waivers anyway?
I'm not sure how this works.
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> I would like it, too, but I've been thinking about this a bit. If
> Zednik does come back, doesn't someone have to go to the miniors to
> make room for him, meaning they will have to clear waivers anyway?
Not necessarily. They could be on the injured reserve list. Souray, for
example.
Souray will need to be protected even though he is injured, right? Koivu
was given an exemption last season due to his illness and did not need to
be protected - but did Habs have to waive someone for him to return late
last season?
Lauri Tarkkonen
What I was reading before his return, it was told that someone has to
be waived for Saku to come back, but as it was very late in the season,
there was not much interest to pick up some new faces. I do not remember
who was waived, if anyone.
It is diccicult to believe that Andre Savard would go in such compli-
cated coreographics to postpone waiving someone. If this is a use of
some loophole in the wording of the rules, it will certaincly cause
some baad blood and will come back. The only explanation I can under-
stand is that Zednik's agent, old buddy of Andre, actually his old
agent from the early Boston days, has been milking the price up, by
insinuating that: ... one more 100k, and we will sign... Andre has
given in, perhaps that has been repeated, and now Andre is upset.
Perhaps the agent has been working on good faith, promised Andre to
get the signature on a bit beefed up offer and then Richard Zednik,
has been sulking and upset as it has taken so long for Andre to pay
attention to him, and he has asked for one more hike, and Andre feels
that he did it once too much.
The information on the various alternatives Zednik has, has been very
indefinite and as I wrote in one earlier message, they are not very
convincing. They are just something that is thrown into the discussion
as counter arguments. Looks like it takes some time, before one can
cave in without loosing face. As, many have already said, the diffe-
rence is so small, that it is ridiculous to keep Zednik sulking at
home because of that. If Zednik is paid 1.7 million for the first
season, it makes a bit less than 21000 per game and if he sits out
about 5 games, he has lost the difference 100000 they are arguing
about. This is not at all businesslike.
- Lauri Tarkkonen