Habs Will Move
The Habs
The city of Montreal can't afford a cup winner anymore. I say we let
them leave ASAP. Being in the bottom is not where a team with it's
history should be. Molsons knows it, hell even the Mayor knows it. Thats
why he won't lower the realty tax on the Molson centre. He knows they
will leave soon so lets get as much money as possible. As a Habs fan of
33 years I am saddened by this but it is for the best. I predict within
10 years only Toronto will have a team and it will act like a farm team
for the american teams.
Navindra Persaud
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Yves
bankrupcy!! You just don't know....they will NOT leave MTL.
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Fred Lavoie
Anyway, I'm now living in Ottawa with the Sens ;) but for how long????
Fred Lavoie
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A. Dimitri
history of sports. No one would dare buy the team to move it to another
city. I can't even begin to imagine the riots that would cause. None of the
original 6 teams will ever move.
Raymond Chénier
state of Montreal fans ... ??? Another few years of this crap and you never
know ... If Québec became a State ... hey! ... finally, a good reson to
separate ! LOL
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Lauri Tarkkonen
Say someone from the US would buy the Canadiens and after some work
with his Excel spreadhseet he would end up with the conclusion that
it would not be profitable to keep the team in Montreal, but to make
a few bucks he has to sell the team to Paul Allen from Seatle.
Why should he care if the people in Montreal smash a few windows?
Why should he care if they say, they will never pay for another ticket?
By the way, why should he believe there will be a riot, as the people
do not care about their team to support it, when it needs some support?
You might say, the Canadiens of to day do not deserve your support,
but you cannot say, they do not need it. They need it mentally and
they need it financially.
They say, every medal has two sides. The Canadiens have been succes-
full for some time. Some might even say, that the Canadiens fans are
a bit spoiled as they have been able to gloat more often than most
other sportsfans. There are a number of fans that are in larger
extent fans of winning and the Canadiens have happened to be on
the same ticket. Now when the mighty have fallen, we have plenty
of disgruntled fans shouting: we are robbed. Some of the fans are
not used to loose and they are so frustrated that they have to
start to boost their egos by bashing the team they ones worshipped.
By telling everybody, how much better the team would be if they
were allowed to run the team or if their sound advice would be
used. Still most of these people would have ruined the team
already decennies ago, if they were allowed to be in charge.
- Lauri Tarkkonen
Raymond Chénier
stats, you are good at those. I am a fan of the Montreal Canadiens and I am
in mourning, but you say I was never a fan of theirs and you bring ego into
it ... I would say get a clue, but I don't think there are any to be had on
your planet. Is it a language barrier, or are you really that clueless ?
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Sam Impastato
CheGueVerra
Sincerly, I really don't think that it would be a good move for the nhl if
the have to move their most succesful franchise because of 3 to 5 years of
misery... we will rebuild and become a dynasty again I'm sure.
CheGueVerra
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as long as they stay in this poor city?? Come on, think about it.
Fred Lavoie
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CheGueVerra
your eyes closed... this city is rich, it's just that who wants to spend
200$ to go see some loosers play.
If you are a true HAb fan you should know that every game they lose makes me
sick ...
CheGueVerra
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Gary L. Dare
: I predict within 10 years only Toronto will have a team
: and it will act like a farm team for the american teams.
You're assuming that the NHL is doing well in the US? (-;
I can see only Toronto having a Canada-based NHL team
if there is a catastrophic league collapse after 2010.
It will be one of six teams with the Rangers, Flyers,
Red Wings, Kings and London (UK) Knights.
And a 7th if Ellman and Gretzky meet their 67th sale
extension on March 15, 2012 to bring the Coyotes out
of suspended animation. (-; (-; (-;
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"Je me souviens"
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> I can see only Toronto having a Canada-based NHL team
> if there is a catastrophic league collapse after 2010.
beginning of Armageddon for this league. If attendance keeps slip-sliding
in the expansion markets, if there's any more relocations/bankruptcies, the
owners are going to take a much harder stance. I don't see the NHLPA
wanting to budge one inch from the status quo by then since I doubt we'll
actually see any franchise folding. It's gonna be a hell of a fight.
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richard
Don't be so sure about that. All it takes to get a team into trouble is
making
the fans endure a few years of having to put up with a consistently bad team
run by incompetent management. Back in the late '70's, both Chicago and
Detroit had serious problems filling their arenas. Fortunately, both
franchises
managed to turn their problems around before they actually went belly up.
With regards to the Canadiens, Montreal has always had the reputation
for being a city of fair weather fans, a reputation that I think is well
deserved.
You can hear the crickets chirping when the mediocre Expos play in Olympic
stadium. The Alouette's football team went from drawing 60,000 during their
championship years in the '70's, to 3,000 once they hit the skids, and that was
after only having 2 losing seasons. The typical response to this is "Montreal
is a hockey town". However, what most people fail to consider is that it
has been quite a long time since the Canadiens have tested the loyalty of
their fan base by icing a lousy team for several years in a row. The last
time the Canadiens had a losing record for 3 consecutive years was in the
late 1930s - early 1940s. What was the fan response at the time? The team
almost went under. Luckily for the Canadiens, "Rocket" Richard came to
the rescue. Unfortunately, I think it's unlikely that the Canadiens will
manage to find another superstar to save their butts this time around.
If the Canadiens have a long bad run like the Leafs did in the '80's, or
the Red Wings in the '70's, I think it is highly likely that they would
end up having move.
Richard
Ian Merrithew
richard <ric...@nospam.edu> wrote:
> You can hear the crickets chirping when the mediocre Expos play in
> Olympic stadium.
in hockey, but that's besides the point.
> If the Canadiens have a long bad run like the Leafs did in the '80's,
> or the Red Wings in the '70's, I think it is highly likely that they
> would end up having move.
You stated your position well, I will give you that. However I think
you fail to take into consideration this: the Canadiens are to the NHL
what the Yankees are to MLB, the Celtics to the NBA, the ... Cowboys?
Steelers? ... well, never mind the NFL (Bears, maybe?). The single
most successful franchise in the sport's history. The franchise
responsible for many of the game's legendary players. No sports league
could expect to survive long in this world by giving the collective
finger to such a long-standing and rich history, that the Canadiens
represent. The long-time fans of the game simply wouldn't stand for
it. The Canadiens suck now, yes. Ask any 100 hockey fans, any 1000,
if they feel the team should move. Then, ask them if they would still
support the NHL if they did move. I'd be stunned if the answers to the
former weren't nearly unanimously "No!", and equally stunned if less
than 2/3 of the latter were "No!". The NHL's aware of this, I would
hope. I don't think they'd ever let the situation in Montreal
deteriorate to that point, hell even the NHLPA would have to take
notice.
It wouldn't be a shot in the foot to the NHL if the Canadiens ever
left; it would be a double-barreled shotgun blast to the head.
*That's* why the Canadiens won't move.
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fans who watched the Baltimore Colts pick up in the middle of the night and
make the long trek to Indiana. Or watched the Cleveland Browns go to
Baltimore. There is nothing special about the Canadiens in the here and now.
They are just another mediocre team with bad management like the Lightning,
the Islanders, the Kings or the Calgary Flames.
The only people this would really affect at an emotional level are Canadians
and old school fans in the USA of the Original Six. And they don`t matter AT
ALL.
Of course, I think the possibility of them moving is predicated on the idea
that hockey will bust out of its` regional status and break through to the
NASCAR audience in the Southern US. That isn`t going to happen and actually,
after the strike wipes out some of the teams teetering on the edge of
solvency, we might see a return to a more manageable league of 15 or so
teams.
We`d better hope so (as Canadian fans) because if they do end up with a
national TV contract (by changing the game into an XFL clone...
cheerleaders, staged fights, orange pucks, wrestling rings :) we will
definately be cheering the Wilkes Barre Canadi (a) ns on to victory. And
enjoying the "halftime" belly dancers!!
Sentiment and history is nice. But it means doodleysquat in todays
entertainment industry boardrooms.
Robert J Dewar
(just having a little fun)
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Raymond Chénier
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are a little more importent to the city the GNR.
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Raymond Chénier
place, affected by the unlikely event of such an announcement. Your logic is
non-existant.
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of Canada ) franchises like Ottawa, Clagary, Edmonton, Columbus, ATltanta,
Nashville etc.. will disappear.
Tha Habs are in a good market. Attendance last year was 3rd in the league.
According to Molson(as heard on TQS) the molson centre is occupied has
often or close to Madison Square Garden. The tax with the city is a problem
but it seems it will be resolved in a few months where the Molson centre
will see their taxes cut in half to about 5 million a year.
Where wouldl they move ? to hockey hotbeds like Houston, New Orleans ??
I am still confused to how Carolina, Nashville and ATlanta are surviving.
There dos not seem to be high attendance...
N Ray
Phoenix, T Bay, Miami, and other places where hockey is only a concept,
while Winnipeg, and Quebec City lose their truly beloved franchises.
To clarify your confusion and to make sense of other puzzling issues, I
suggest that you pose your questions to Gary Bettman or other US based NHL
brass.
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Sam Impastato
Agaguk wrote:
> The tax with the city is a problem
> but it seems it will be resolved in a few months where the Molson centre
> will see their taxes cut in half to about 5 million a year.
Since the city of Montreal renegged on its deal with the Habs to only tax $5
million dollars a year for the Molson Centre the Habs should get back all of the
over taxing which means over 20 million dollars. I wonder if they would use the
money they get back to sign UFA (there's and others).
Gary L. Dare
: Agaguk wrote:
Le Canadien is the only team in Canada with a valid tax complaint.
All the others pay a fair property tax rate on their own property.
The problem with the US comparison is that their figures are AFTER
corporate welfare is factored in.
RBR
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>"Je me souviens"
Please explain the above phrase SVP.
Rob
Raymond Chénier
Are you serious ? In terms of Québec history ?
Raymond
RBR
alt.sports.hockey.nhl.mtl-canadiens "Raymond Chénier"
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Yes, I'm serious.
Rob
Remember to remove "mypants" before e-mailing me.
Raymond Chénier
famed Plains of Abraham by the English, has been the strongest source of
nationalistic thought in Québec. "Je me souviens" means "I Remember" this
... That I will not give up my culture and be assimilated ... Québec remains
somewhat culturally independent, with all that entails, some of it very
negative yet most of it very beautiful.
Here is a good link:
http://www.thehistorynet.com/HistoricTraveler/articles/1998/1198_text.htm
Raymond
Bruce Johnstone
>"The Conquest" of 1759, resulting from the invasion of Quibec City in the
>famed Plains of Abraham by the English, has been the strongest source of
>.... That I will not give up my culture and be assimilated ... Quibec remains
>somewhat culturally independent, with all that entails, some of it very
>negative yet most of it very beautiful.
>
>Here is a good link:
>http://www.thehistorynet.com/HistoricTraveler/articles/1998/1198_text.htm
>
>Raymond
And you should never give in too assimllation, some of us think
QuiBec culture makes us better. But that doesn't mean we have to
have Quibec culture forced on us. When somebody push's me I push
back and that has nothing to do with Language!!! French language
and culture can stand up for itself, it doesn't need some Idiots
to prove it has merit !!!
Bruce
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>> >Raymond
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>> Yes, I'm serious.
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lightning seed
they get what they want. Thank God the rest of the country has learned how
to ignore them. Between Parizeau blaming the "immigrants" for the last
referendum loss and Bouchard stepping down as an utter failure we're finally
seeing the sovereignists for what they really are, petulant quitters.
Hmm , petulant quitters describes the Habs fans to a t as well....,
coincidence?
No wonder the French Canadian culture is dying faster than any other culture
in the western hemisphere.
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Montreal Bob
"No
wonder the French Canadian culture is dying faster than any other culture
in the western hemisphere."
......I guess the disapperence of a culture makes you happy?....nazi
"The French Canadian culture is a bunch of petulant children that whine till
they get what they want."
......... Like what ...separation?....what make you think us french
quebecois are all separatist?
Cheers,
Montreal Bob
"Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens."
- Jimi Hendrix
Ian Merrithew
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> ......... Like what ...separation?....what make you think us french
> quebecois are all separatist?
Diving into Quebec politics and culture is off-topic, not to mention a high
potential for degenerating into a flamewar.
Montreal Bob
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