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montreal teams.
Montreal Expos: Good Gm in Jim Beattie, Great manager in Felipe Alou.
The person screwing this up is Claude Brochu (french)
Montreal Alouettes: People running the team are not from quebec and
are english speaking, only exception here is Jacques Dussault and I
think the only reason why he's there is to attract the french fans.
Montreal Canadiens: Ever since Sam Pollack and Scotty Bowman left,
this team has been on a steady decline. Trying to be politically
correct in hiring incompetent coaches and GM's and keeping pylons such
as Brisbois and getting rid of good talent for mediocre french
players.
Finally my point is until the canadiens realize that unless they go
after real talent behind the bench, in the GM's booth and on the ice
instead of always trying to stay politically correct this team will
continue to be mediocre
Armand Rock
totally aggree with you....what yo want is the best man for the job thats
available not the best french man available for the job....that might have
worked in the past and got the job done (as 24 stanley cup is proof) but
as they say the times are changing
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comments like that were made. Regrettably, now, I do see that that bullshit
politics have tainted the once greatest hockey club in the world.
Yet one must also realize that what has made the habs great throughout the
ages was mostly the French players ( Richard brothers, Plante, Beliveau,
Geoffrion, Cournoyer, Lafleur, Roy ect...) so severring that tie will be a
long ands gradual process.
What we have to look at is a blend of the best players we can get whatever
the background. Though with Peanut Houle in the office forget it !
Ganney for pres!
Armand Rock a écrit dans le message <37822702...@geocities.com>...
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saying that the canadiens have to start looking for the BEST people
and forget about politics.
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>Don't get me wrong here. I'm not bashing the french people. I'm just
Jason Little
<rlo...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>I have heard this before and as a french man I use to freak out when
>comments like that were made. Regrettably, now, I do see that that bullshit
>politics have tainted the once greatest hockey club in the world.
>
>Yet one must also realize that what has made the habs great throughout the
>ages was mostly the French players ( Richard brothers, Plante, Beliveau,
>Geoffrion, Cournoyer, Lafleur, Roy ect...) so severring that tie will be a
>long ands gradual process.
But you tend to forget the Habs had dibs on the french talent back in
the old days, there werent as many teams either...so the talent pool
to pull from, this cant be used as a excuse now
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Nigel & Nancy Sellars
I disagree. This is almost exactly the same problem the Nordiques had.
But let's face it, there are plenty of superb French Canadian players in
the NHL, but they are no longer generally accessible because they start
for, and are well paid by, other teams. The Habs do need a more
diversified group of players, but it's time they start scouting more for
the better young Francophone players in the juniors, hang onto the best
ones, and stop trying to trade for a player just because he's
French-Canadian. We all too often seem to have better French-Canadian
players who are left to languish in the minors until they are traded or
have the chance to jump to another team.
You see, there's another name for "political correctness" in this case:
bad management.
Nigel Sellars
Pete
Nigel & Nancy Sellars wrote in message <378382...@telepath.com>...
True, but I think the argument about the 'political correctness' can be
relevant as a part of the problem, not the entire problem. Would Corey
have stuck around that long on any other team? Would Houle still have a
job on any other team? Would Brisebois even be a 6th defenseman on any
other team? (Well, maybe the Thrashers or another expansion team?). I
think that the suggestion that there is something going on there is
justifiable. It appears that the Canadiens organization is going to
great lengths to make sure that a French Canadian element is part of the
organization when it might be apparent they are not the best personnel
for the job, French Canadian or not. Perhaps, it is to satisfy the
media or perhaps it is to satisfy the bureaucrats, I don't know. I'm
just saying that it is not outside the realm of possiblity that one
could make the argument looking from the outside.
As for player personnel, the Canadiens had automatic access to the best
French Canadians way back for many years. As Jason Little suggested,
the number of teams were much lower for a time so the Habs had the
exclusive privelege to choose amongst the current talent pool at the
time. Now, it is more difficult to grab star NHL players let alone star
French Canadian players. Then you factor in the currency discrepancies,
the economic disadvantages, and the respective greed displayed by the
players and owners, and it is difficult for the team to construct a
solid team on a consistent basis (and simultaneously obtain solid French
Canadian players while doing it). Of course, you should also factor in
the corporate-type of leadership of Molsons. Would another franchise's
management at the top hold on to guys like Corey and Houle for so long?
Well, maybe 'Ballard-like' ownerships.
Pete
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>relevant as a part of the problem, not the entire problem. Would Corey
>have stuck around that long on any other team?
Tough question. Having a Quebecois executive heading a Quebec "company" is
certainly
not an oddity. Corey did turn a profit, did oversee the construction of
the Molson Centre,
and by some grand fluke of nature, hired a GM who drafted Patrick Roy which
lead to 2 Stanley
Cups
Would Houle still have a
>job on any other team?
No, but other teams have hired former players as GM's who turned out to be
incompetent.
The fact that he is french is inconsequential.
Would Brisebois even be a 6th defenseman on any
>other team?
Yes, Breezy would make most if not all NHL rosters. He might be
inept at times, but so was Quintal, and he's earning over $3mil a year.
(Well, maybe the Thrashers or another expansion team?). I
>think that the suggestion that there is something going on there is
>justifiable. It appears that the Canadiens organization is going to
>great lengths to make sure that a French Canadian element is part of the
>organization when it might be apparent they are not the best personnel
>for the job, French Canadian or not. Perhaps, it is to satisfy the
>media or perhaps it is to satisfy the bureaucrats, I don't know. I'm
>just saying that it is not outside the realm of possiblity that one
>could make the argument looking from the outside.
>
>As for player personnel, the Canadiens had automatic access to the best
>French Canadians way back for many years. As Jason Little suggested,
>the number of teams were much lower for a time so the Habs had the
>exclusive privelege to choose amongst the current talent pool at the
>time. Now, it is more difficult to grab star NHL players let alone star
>French Canadian players. Then you factor in the currency discrepancies,
>the economic disadvantages, and the respective greed displayed by the
>players and owners, and it is difficult for the team to construct a
>solid team on a consistent basis (and simultaneously obtain solid French
>Canadian players while doing it). Of course, you should also factor in
>the corporate-type of leadership of Molsons. Would another franchise's
>management at the top hold on to guys like Corey and Houle for so long?
>Well, maybe 'Ballard-like' ownerships.
>
>Pete
I offer the following as signs things are changing.
1) Ronald Corey, and his patriarchal people managing practices has been put
to pasture.
2) The replacement of Jocelyn Thibault with Jeff Hackett and the signing of
Hackett.
3) The replacement of Vincent Damphousse with Trevor Linden and the signing
of Linden.
4) The "release" of Quintal.
5) The selection of 2nd round pick Matt Carkner and Alexander Buturlin over
Martin Grenier, much to the dislike of Franco media members.
I believe all this signals that the Habs are looking for good people,
period.
Lauri Tarkkonen
>As for player personnel, the Canadiens had automatic access to the best
>French Canadians way back for many years. As Jason Little suggested,
>the number of teams were much lower for a time so the Habs had the
>exclusive privelege to choose amongst the current talent pool at the
>time.
The Canadiens have never had an automatic acces to French Canadians.
Before the -67 expansion there was no draft, all the teams scouted
the juniors and got the names of the players they liked on the so
called C-form and the player were their property. Look for example
the Rangers had some French Canadians, do the names of RoD Gilbert
and Camille Henry ring a bell.
With the expansion the Canadiens got as a compensation for their
junior development system the privilege to pick two French Canadians
if they used their two first picks on them. This means they got the
possibility to pick six players during three years and the about
the only players with some impact were Rejean Houle and Marc Tardiff.
Tardif had some scoring talent, but Reggie had to work his but out
to earn a permanent post on the roster.
One could say, that Toronto got as good right to all Ontario players
than Canadiens got in Quebec.
>Now, it is more difficult to grab star NHL players let alone star
>French Canadian players.
The Canadiens have been drafting at average somewhere around #18,
meaning that it is not enough to spot the talent, you have to get
your hands to it early enough. How many years in a row did Quebec
have a pick among the top three or five and then they got the jack-
pot in picking Lindros and they could capitalize on it by lucky
trading. How many years did Ottawa pick among the top five?
> Then you factor in the currency discrepancies,
>the economic disadvantages, and the respective greed displayed by the
>players and owners, and it is difficult for the team to construct a
>solid team on a consistent basis (and simultaneously obtain solid French
>Canadian players while doing it). Of course, you should also factor in
>the corporate-type of leadership of Molsons. Would another franchise's
>management at the top hold on to guys like Corey and Houle for so long?
>Well, maybe 'Ballard-like' ownerships.
I think Ballard changed coaches like some people change undervear.
If you feel that the revolving door policy shows some class, you
are mistaken.
- Lauri Tarkkonen