Who's next? Kurri or Messier
Chris Piper
Now that they've retired #99 I'd like to see them retire #17 for
Jari Kurri.
He obviously deserves it, but I fear they are going to wait for
#11 Mark Messier to retire before they do any more Oiler numbers.
My vote for sequence of Oilers numbers to retire:
#3 - Al Hamilton (c'mon guys, put it up)
#99 - Wayne Gretzky
#17 - Jarri Kurri
#11 - Mark Messier
#7 - Paul Coffey
#31 - Grant Fuhr
#9 - Glenn Anderson
#2 - Lee Fogolin
#27 - Dave Semenko
#4 - Kevin Lowe
#35 - Andy Moog
#39 - Vladimir Vorobiev (gotcha, HL)
--
Chris
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> My vote for sequence of Oilers numbers to retire:
> #3 - Al Hamilton (c'mon guys, put it up)
> #99 - Wayne Gretzky
> #17 - Jarri Kurri
> #11 - Mark Messier
> #7 - Paul Coffey
> #31 - Grant Fuhr
> #9 - Glenn Anderson
> #2 - Lee Fogolin
> #27 - Dave Semenko
> #4 - Kevin Lowe
> #35 - Andy Moog
> #39 - Vladimir Vorobiev (gotcha, HL)
You want the Oilers to have ELEVEN retired numbers?!?!
Come on...even the Montreal Canadiens only have seven and they have had
a hell of a lot more great players over the years than Edmonton has.
Drop some names off that list above...like Fogolin, Semenko, and Moog
for sure. Those guys aren't even going to make the Hall of Fame, why
retire their numbers.
Alan
James
Oilers played back then. If not for his toughness Gretzky and all the rest
would have been gooned and cheap-shotted all the time.
Retire Semenko's number!!!
Alan Caldwell wrote in message <3873D1...@home.com>...
Douglas Hafichuk
than "Filler" on a team that hardly needed them. Some of the other boys
would be nice, Mess in particular. Grant Fuhr should be a no. Look at his
numbers, not very special. Sure Coke helped him stand out, but he was below
average more than he was ever brilliant. Jari, I'm sitting on the fence.
Could go either way. And besides, number retirement is for the most amazing
players. The players that meant the most to the team. How many Canadiens
numbers have been retired - I would guess less than 10 or so. It's not like
the 1950's Montreal team all had their numbers retired, and they would
probably smoke the 80's Oilers. (It hurts to admit it I know) Almost all
of these guys should probably be tossed into "The Hall" without any
questions, but don't start retiring numbers because it's fashionable.
Later Fella.
"Chris Piper" <cpi...@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
news:3873CD45...@telusplanet.net...
>
> Now that they've retired #99 I'd like to see them retire #17 for
> Jari Kurri.
>
> He obviously deserves it, but I fear they are going to wait for
> #11 Mark Messier to retire before they do any more Oiler numbers.
>
> My vote for sequence of Oilers numbers to retire:
>
> #3 - Al Hamilton (c'mon guys, put it up)
> #99 - Wayne Gretzky
> #17 - Jarri Kurri
> #11 - Mark Messier
> #7 - Paul Coffey
> #31 - Grant Fuhr
> #9 - Glenn Anderson
> #2 - Lee Fogolin
> #27 - Dave Semenko
> #4 - Kevin Lowe
> #35 - Andy Moog
> #39 - Vladimir Vorobiev (gotcha, HL)
>
>
Douglas Hafichuk
"He had a great deal to do with the way that the Oilers played back
That's priceless!! Have you ever considered a a job in Stand Up Comedy?
"James" <ja...@spaceports.com> wrote in message
news:r%Qc4.88636$n3.11...@news0.telusplanet.net...
> Semenko should be retired!! He had a great deal to do with the way that
the
> Oilers played back then. If not for his toughness Gretzky and all the
rest
> would have been gooned and cheap-shotted all the time.
>
> Retire Semenko's number!!!
>
>
> Alan Caldwell wrote in message <3873D1...@home.com>...
> >Chris Piper wrote:
> >
> >> My vote for sequence of Oilers numbers to retire:
> >> #3 - Al Hamilton (c'mon guys, put it up)
> >> #99 - Wayne Gretzky
> >> #17 - Jarri Kurri
> >> #11 - Mark Messier
> >> #7 - Paul Coffey
> >> #31 - Grant Fuhr
> >> #9 - Glenn Anderson
> >> #2 - Lee Fogolin
> >> #27 - Dave Semenko
> >> #4 - Kevin Lowe
> >> #35 - Andy Moog
> >> #39 - Vladimir Vorobiev (gotcha, HL)
> >
Miranda
Douglas Hafichuk
deserves to have his number retired is silly. He wasn't even remotely good
at anything other than fighting. And the Oilers would have won cups even
without Semenko as the enforcer, they were too good to be stopped, we all
know that.
Later
"Miranda" <mgu...@home.com> wrote in message
news:38738316...@home.com...
The Marginet Family
Douglas Hafichuk wrote in message ...
>Dave Semenko!! Lee Fogolin!! Not a chance. These guys were nothing more
>than "Filler" on a team that hardly needed them. Some of the other boys
>would be nice, Mess in particular. Grant Fuhr should be a no. Look at his
>numbers, not very special. Sure Coke helped him stand out, but he was
below
>average more than he was ever brilliant. Jari, I'm sitting on the fence.
>Could go either way. And besides, number retirement is for the most
amazing
>players. The players that meant the most to the team. How many Canadiens
>numbers have been retired - I would guess less than 10 or so. It's not
like
>the 1950's Montreal team all had their numbers retired, and they would
>probably smoke the 80's Oilers. (It hurts to admit it I know) Almost all
>of these guys should probably be tossed into "The Hall" without any
>questions, but don't start retiring numbers because it's fashionable.
I vote for Kevin Lowe, he was the first ever Oiler draft pick, scored the
first Oiler goal. He also had played the most games as an Oiler.
What I like best about Kevin is that the Calgary Flames offered him a
contract before his second stint with the Oilers and he said that it would
not feel right to play for the Flames.
heath99
>
>Later Fella.
>
>"Chris Piper" <cpi...@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
>news:3873CD45...@telusplanet.net...
>>
>> Now that they've retired #99 I'd like to see them retire #17 for
>> Jari Kurri.
>>
>> He obviously deserves it, but I fear they are going to wait for
>> #11 Mark Messier to retire before they do any more Oiler numbers.
>>
>> My vote for sequence of Oilers numbers to retire:
>>
>> #3 - Al Hamilton (c'mon guys, put it up)
>> #99 - Wayne Gretzky
>> #17 - Jarri Kurri
>> #11 - Mark Messier
>> #7 - Paul Coffey
>> #31 - Grant Fuhr
>> #9 - Glenn Anderson
>> #2 - Lee Fogolin
>> #27 - Dave Semenko
>> #4 - Kevin Lowe
>> #35 - Andy Moog
>> #39 - Vladimir Vorobiev (gotcha, HL)
>>
>>
Christopher Reich
The Marginet Family wrote in message ...
I vote against him because even though I like him, loyalty is not reason
enough for a number to be retired.
The Marginet Family
Christopher Reich wrote in message ...
>
>The Marginet Family wrote in message ...
No, but history and tradition is, Al Hamilton was not a great player, but
his jersey is retired. Scoring the first goal in the NHL for the Oilers,
being the first draft pick, and playing the most games as an Edmonton Oiler
has merit. Besides, no other player has ever been given #4 or #11.
This tells me that these numbers are headed to the rafters.
Chris Piper
> Dave Semenko!! Lee Fogolin!! Not a chance. These guys were nothing more
> than "Filler" on a team that hardly needed them. Some of the other boys
> would be nice, Mess in particular. Grant Fuhr should be a no. Look at his
> numbers, not very special. Sure Coke helped him stand out, but he was below
> average more than he was ever brilliant. Jari, I'm sitting on the fence.
> Could go either way. And besides, number retirement is for the most amazing
> players. The players that meant the most to the team. How many Canadiens
> numbers have been retired - I would guess less than 10 or so. It's not like
> the 1950's Montreal team all had their numbers retired, and they would
> probably smoke the 80's Oilers. (It hurts to admit it I know) Almost all
> of these guys should probably be tossed into "The Hall" without any
> questions, but don't start retiring numbers because it's fashionable.
Without Semenko, you'd have seen Gretzky's career over in less than 8 years
because he'd have been slashed and cross-checked senseless. Look at Mario who
retired mainly because of the vicious stick work laid on his back.
Without Fogolin and to a lesser extent Lowe, Huddy, and Gregg, the Oilers would
have lost a lot of games 8-7 instead of winning them 7-4.
Chris Piper
> I vote for Kevin Lowe, he was the first ever Oiler draft pick, scored the
> first Oiler goal. He also had played the most games as an Oiler.
>
> What I like best about Kevin is that the Calgary Flames offered him a
> contract before his second stint with the Oilers and he said that it would
> not feel right to play for the Flames.
Good point.
Chris Piper
> You want the Oilers to have ELEVEN retired numbers?!?!
>
> Come on...even the Montreal Canadiens only have seven and they have had
> a hell of a lot more great players over the years than Edmonton has.
> Drop some names off that list above...like Fogolin, Semenko, and Moog
> for sure. Those guys aren't even going to make the Hall of Fame, why
> retire their numbers.
I'd say Lowe and Moog are borderline. Perhaps even Anderson.
Semenko and Fogolin deserve it as much as Coffey or Messier.
Consider this list:
Gretzky - Oilers all time best scorer
Coffey - Oilers all time best scoring d-man
Semenko - Oilers all time best enforcer
Fogolin - Oilers all time best defensive d-man
Rod Gramlich
and Fuhr
Ted Soutar
a very real leader on the team in their NHL development years, and every
bit as worthy as Al Hamilton, who was a leader in their WHA years, (and
has already had his number retired to reflect that). I'd say Fogolin's
contribution even outshines Hamilton's.
I wouldn't want to see Semenk, Fuhr or Moog's numbers retired, but
Anderson, Coffey, Kurri & Mess definitely deserve the honour.
And as to the 50's Habs "smoking" the 80's Oilers, I refer you to every
poll by sportswriters that picked the Oilers of the 1980's as the
second-best team of the century, behind Team Canada '72 - nuff sed.
Douglas Hafichuk wrote:
>
> Dave Semenko!! Lee Fogolin!! Not a chance. These guys were nothing more
> than "Filler" on a team that hardly needed them. Some of the other boys
> would be nice, Mess in particular. Grant Fuhr should be a no. Look at his
> numbers, not very special. Sure Coke helped him stand out, but he was below
> average more than he was ever brilliant. Jari, I'm sitting on the fence.
> Could go either way. And besides, number retirement is for the most amazing
> players. The players that meant the most to the team. How many Canadiens
> numbers have been retired - I would guess less than 10 or so. It's not like
> the 1950's Montreal team all had their numbers retired, and they would
> probably smoke the 80's Oilers. (It hurts to admit it I know) Almost all
> of these guys should probably be tossed into "The Hall" without any
> questions, but don't start retiring numbers because it's fashionable.
>
> Later Fella.
>
> "Chris Piper" <cpi...@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
> news:3873CD45...@telusplanet.net...
> >
> > Now that they've retired #99 I'd like to see them retire #17 for
> > Jari Kurri.
> >
> > He obviously deserves it, but I fear they are going to wait for
> > #11 Mark Messier to retire before they do any more Oiler numbers.
> >
> > My vote for sequence of Oilers numbers to retire:
> >
> > #3 - Al Hamilton (c'mon guys, put it up)
> > #99 - Wayne Gretzky
> > #17 - Jarri Kurri
> > #11 - Mark Messier
> > #7 - Paul Coffey
> > #31 - Grant Fuhr
> > #9 - Glenn Anderson
> > #2 - Lee Fogolin
> > #27 - Dave Semenko
> > #4 - Kevin Lowe
> > #35 - Andy Moog
> > #39 - Vladimir Vorobiev (gotcha, HL)
> >
> >
Jeremy Schmuland
Coffey left some bad blood behind when he quit the Oilers. Still, with a
guaranteed HoF nod, he will probably be up there. The rest will not be
raised. Anderson blew it when the Oilers grabbed him off of waivers 4 (maybe
5) seasons ago and all he did was cry and whine that he wanted to go to
Vancouver. He never bothered to put in an effort in his second stint as an
Oiler. Fogolin did a great job here, but he is not remembered (outside of
Edmonton) as an Oiler.
And to the guy who said Fuhr just didn't have the numbers, find me a goalie
through the 80's who had better numbers across the board. The entire decade
was hard on goalies and their stats. Grant Fuhr was often incredible in the
Oiler's net, and he alone let them play the full offensive style that they
played. Gretzky, Coffey, Messier, Kurri, Anderson and the rest are why that
system worked, but they got to play it because they had Coco backing them
up.
As for Al Hamilton, his number is already retired, but not for his services
to the team while in the NHL. His number was a WHA retirement, and that is
why it isn't up in the rafters. It should be, but probably won't, at least
not until the rest of the big names are up.
-Jeremy
Chris Piper
> Filler? Hmmm.....maybe, maybe not. Especially in Fogolin's case. He was
> a very real leader on the team in their NHL development years, and every
> bit as worthy as Al Hamilton, who was a leader in their WHA years, (and
> has already had his number retired to reflect that). I'd say Fogolin's
> contribution even outshines Hamilton's.
>
> I wouldn't want to see Semenk, Fuhr or Moog's numbers retired, but
> Anderson, Coffey, Kurri & Mess definitely deserve the honour.
>
> And as to the 50's Habs "smoking" the 80's Oilers, I refer you to every
> poll by sportswriters that picked the Oilers of the 1980's as the
> second-best team of the century, behind Team Canada '72 - nuff sed.
They believe Team Canada '72 would win a 5 or 7 games series against the Oilers of
the mid-80's ???
I must have missed how good they were in '72 cause I'd think the Oilers would win
that one too.
If they were voting on the greatest 'Canadian' teams based on achievement, I could
agree. I suppose.
Chris Piper
> As for Al Hamilton, his number is already retired, but not for his services
> to the team while in the NHL. His number was a WHA retirement, and that is
> why it isn't up in the rafters. It should be, but probably won't, at least
> not until the rest of the big names are up.
Hamilton played 31 games for the Oilers in their first NHL season. Was his
number already retired as a WHA player or did that come after he retired from
the NHL?
Jeremy Schmuland
itself was a WHA jersey retirement. In any case, seeing as the number 3
cannot be worn again by any Oiler, even in the NHL, I guess the jersey is
unofficially retired in the NHL as well. It may go up into the rafters one
day, but not before Moose, Kurri and Lowe are up there.
Chris Piper <cpi...@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
news:38750F48...@telusplanet.net...
cu...@magiczone.com
wearing it, so if it goes Kurri next they must wait unless Rem changes
Chris Piper wrote in message <3873CD45...@telusplanet.net>...
>
>Now that they've retired #99 I'd like to see them retire #17 for
>Jari Kurri.
>
>He obviously deserves it, but I fear they are going to wait for
>#11 Mark Messier to retire before they do any more Oiler numbers.
>
>My vote for sequence of Oilers numbers to retire:
>
>#3 - Al Hamilton (c'mon guys, put it up)
>#99 - Wayne Gretzky
>#17 - Jarri Kurri
>#11 - Mark Messier
>#7 - Paul Coffey
>#31 - Grant Fuhr
>#9 - Glenn Anderson
>#2 - Lee Fogolin
>#27 - Dave Semenko
>#4 - Kevin Lowe
>#35 - Andy Moog
>#39 - Vladimir Vorobiev (gotcha, HL)
>
>
Jeremy Schmuland
guarantee that. So Rem has a couple of seasons before he has too worry about
changing numbers. When the time comes, I wouldn't be suprised to see them
request a number change for Murray.
-Jeremy
<cu...@magiczone.com> wrote in message news:8535le$tb4$1...@burn.ab.videon.ca...
Steve McIsaac
We all need to pull over until the 'ludes wear off. No way no how now
chance.....
Semenko c'mon boys....it's enough that the Oilers still pay him to be the head
of corporate hockey tape buying.
Kurri no brainer....Messier no-brainer....Andy I'm on the fence (the deadgay
guy in his pool?)...Lowe yes...Fuhr yes...
Coffey...nope too long with other teams...same with Moog, and had more succes
with Dallas....
But GOD Lee Fogolin!! Why not Dave Lumley too...
Ted Soutar
>
> Jeremy Schmuland wrote:
>
> > As for Al Hamilton, his number is already retired, but not for his services
> > to the team while in the NHL. His number was a WHA retirement, and that is
> > why it isn't up in the rafters. It should be, but probably won't, at least
> > not until the rest of the big names are up.
>
> Hamilton played 31 games for the Oilers in their first NHL season. Was his
> number already retired as a WHA player or did that come after he retired from
> the NHL?
>
> --
>
> Chris
Hamilton played most of his career with the Oilers in the WHA. He
retired following an injury in January, 1980, and the Oilers retired his
number as a "tribute" to his years of service.
I believe, based on Fogolin's years of service, and his dedication in
helping mold the team in its infancy, not to mention his selfless act of
giving up the Captain's "C" following the 1981-82 season, earns him the
right to have his number raised to the rafters.
Chris Piper
(as I put my pipe down)
Did you see anything other than scoring highlights of the 80's Oilers?
Yes, they scored a lot but a very real reason they weren't outscored was the rock
solid defense of Fogolin. I seriously can't see retiring Lowe if not Fogolin, who
taught Kevin EVERYTHING he ever knew about defensive play.
It's not enough to retire Lowe's number just because he was the first NHL Oiler
draft and scored the first ever Oiler goal. His hard work and dedication had a lot
to do with it too.
Have you forgotten that Fogolin was the Oilers CAPTAIN for a long time leading up
to their Stanley Cups. He was the first Oiler ever to raise the Cup above his
head.
It's called leadership. There isn't a stat for it in the weekly NHL listing. But
it sure means a hell of a lot to a Championship team.
Chris Piper
> I believe, based on Fogolin's years of service, and his dedication in
> helping mold the team in its infancy, not to mention his selfless act of
> giving up the Captain's "C" following the 1981-82 season, earns him the
> right to have his number raised to the rafters.
I am quite certain Fogolin was the captain when the Oilers won their first cup in
'84.
Ted Soutar
>
> Ted Soutar wrote:
>
> > I believe, based on Fogolin's years of service, and his dedication in
> > helping mold the team in its infancy, not to mention his selfless act of
> > giving up the Captain's "C" following the 1981-82 season, earns him the
> > right to have his number raised to the rafters.
>
> I am quite certain Fogolin was the captain when the Oilers won their first cup in
> '84.
>
> --
>
> Chris
Nope. He gave it up after their debacle in L.A. in '82. I remember it
well. He voluntarily stepped aside in favour of Gretz, stating Gretz was
the inevitable choice, and that his (Gretzky's) time had come to assume
the leadership of the team. He went on to say something to the effect of
sacrificing personal status for the greater good of the team and taking
the team to the next level. Classy move by a classy inidvidual.
As to raising the cup, I believe Wayne handed it over to Fogolin first.
Rick Watson
Chris Piper wrote:
>
>
> Have you forgotten that Fogolin was the Oilers CAPTAIN for a long time leading up
> to their Stanley Cups. He was the first Oiler ever to raise the Cup above his
> head.
>
Actually, Wayne was. I think Fogey's last year as captain was 82-83.
>
> It's called leadership. There isn't a stat for it in the weekly NHL listing. But
> it sure means a hell of a lot to a Championship team.
>
CHAD JENKINS
the numbers that cannot be worn: 3,99,11,4. I read that in a book
somewhere, I think I would add 31,7,17,9, and that's probably it.
Chris Piper wrote:
>
> Alan Caldwell wrote:
>
> > You want the Oilers to have ELEVEN retired numbers?!?!
> >
> > Come on...even the Montreal Canadiens only have seven and they have had
> > a hell of a lot more great players over the years than Edmonton has.
> > Drop some names off that list above...like Fogolin, Semenko, and Moog
> > for sure. Those guys aren't even going to make the Hall of Fame, why
> > retire their numbers.
>
> I'd say Lowe and Moog are borderline. Perhaps even Anderson.
>
> Semenko and Fogolin deserve it as much as Coffey or Messier.
>
> Consider this list:
>
> Gretzky - Oilers all time best scorer
> Coffey - Oilers all time best scoring d-man
> Semenko - Oilers all time best enforcer
> Fogolin - Oilers all time best defensive d-man
>
CHAD JENKINS
was never that great, but they played a pretty much NO DEFENCE style and
he face alot of tough shots. No matter what happened throughout the
game, he always made the big save with the game on the line.
Douglas Hafichuk wrote:
>
> Dave Semenko!! Lee Fogolin!! Not a chance. These guys were nothing more
> than "Filler" on a team that hardly needed them. Some of the other boys
> would be nice, Mess in particular. Grant Fuhr should be a no. Look at his
> numbers, not very special. Sure Coke helped him stand out, but he was below
> average more than he was ever brilliant. Jari, I'm sitting on the fence.
> Could go either way. And besides, number retirement is for the most amazing
> players. The players that meant the most to the team. How many Canadiens
> numbers have been retired - I would guess less than 10 or so. It's not like
> the 1950's Montreal team all had their numbers retired, and they would
> probably smoke the 80's Oilers. (It hurts to admit it I know) Almost all
> of these guys should probably be tossed into "The Hall" without any
> questions, but don't start retiring numbers because it's fashionable.
>
> Later Fella.
>
> "Chris Piper" <cpi...@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
> news:3873CD45...@telusplanet.net...
> >
> > Now that they've retired #99 I'd like to see them retire #17 for
> > Jari Kurri.
> >
> > He obviously deserves it, but I fear they are going to wait for
> > #11 Mark Messier to retire before they do any more Oiler numbers.
> >
> > My vote for sequence of Oilers numbers to retire:
> >
> > #3 - Al Hamilton (c'mon guys, put it up)
> > #99 - Wayne Gretzky
> > #17 - Jarri Kurri
> > #11 - Mark Messier
> > #7 - Paul Coffey
> > #31 - Grant Fuhr
> > #9 - Glenn Anderson
> > #2 - Lee Fogolin
> > #27 - Dave Semenko
> > #4 - Kevin Lowe
> > #35 - Andy Moog
> > #39 - Vladimir Vorobiev (gotcha, HL)
> >
> >
Ted Soutar
to "clutch" situations, your 'tender has to rise to the occasion and get
you the win. And Fuhr did that time and again.
CHAD JENKINS
CHAD JENKINS
Bourque, he use to wear 7 and then they retired it, so he wears 77 now.
Jeremy Schmuland wrote:
>
> Kurri won't be retired until after Messier and Lowe, I can pretty much
> guarantee that. So Rem has a couple of seasons before he has too worry about
> changing numbers. When the time comes, I wouldn't be suprised to see them
> request a number change for Murray.
>
> -Jeremy
>
> <cu...@magiczone.com> wrote in message news:8535le$tb4$1...@burn.ab.videon.ca...
> > Quick Problem, they aren't going to retire a number if a current oiler is
> > wearing it, so if it goes Kurri next they must wait unless Rem changes
> >
> > Chris Piper wrote in message <3873CD45...@telusplanet.net>...
> > >
Chris Piper
> That's happened with other teams in the past, one that comes to mind is
> Bourque, he use to wear 7 and then they retired it, so he wears 77 now.
So Rem could wear, what. . . 71?
Alan Caldwell
> I'd say Lowe and Moog are borderline. Perhaps even Anderson.
> Semenko and Fogolin deserve it as much as Coffey or Messier.
> Consider this list:
>
Yeah, but is that really worthy of NUMBER RETIREMENT?
> Fogolin - Oilers all time best defensive d-man
I'd definitely put Lowe ahead of him in that category. Maybe Charlie
Huddy too. Plus, Huddy's kid is better than Fogolin's kid. :-)
Alan
CHAD JENKINS
The Marginet Family
Alan Caldwell wrote in message <387832...@home.com>...
How can Lowe be borderline? They have never given anyone his number.
The Lowe File, this is taken directly from the Edmonton Journal
First player drafted by the Oilers
Scored Edmonton's first goal
Holds OILERS franchise record for most regular season games, 1037, and most
playoff games, 172.
ONE OF ONLY 27 PLAYERS TO PLAY 1000 GAMES WITH ONE TEAM.
Played on all five of the Oilers Stanley Cup wins
A SEVEN TIME ALL STAR, people sometimes forget this.
Played on the 1984 Canada Cup team
Received The King Clancy Memorial Trophy and the Man of the Year Award in
1990.
No player will ever again be the first player drafted and score the first
ever goal in the NHL for the Oilers.
Some player may again play over 1000 games as an Edmonton Oiler, but he will
be the first.
Kevin Lowe is the ultimate Edmonton Oiler, Kevin Lowe could have made more
money in Calgary but refused to play there, because as he said "Once an
Edmonton Oiler always an Oiler, I couldn't see myself in Flames colors"
All these reasons above epitomize why Kevin Lowe should be the next player
retired. Though I wouldn't be really surprised if Messier is second.
As I mentioned only Messier's and Lowe's number have never been given to
another Oiler and never will be. These numbers will obviously be retired.
The only question I have is whether Sather will wait until Messier retires
and retire them together. I think it would be more special to do a separate
ceremony for both. They certainly both deserve it.
>
>
> Alan
Chris Piper
> How can Lowe be borderline? They have never given anyone his number.
Hey, I put him on my original list and his number should be retired. I just
don't know how soon it will happen. Probably not until after Mess and Jari.
> No player will ever again be the first player drafted and score the first
> ever goal in the NHL for the Oilers.
By this logic, the Sharks will retire Falloon.
The Marginet Family
Chris Piper wrote in message <38794A7C...@telusplanet.net>...
>The Marginet Family wrote:
>
>> How can Lowe be borderline? They have never given anyone his number.
>
>Hey, I put him on my original list and his number should be retired. I just
>don't know how soon it will happen. Probably not until after Mess and Jari.
>
>> No player will ever again be the first player drafted and score the first
>> ever goal in the NHL for the Oilers.
>
>By this logic, the Sharks will retire Falloon.
I said in my post and I quote "all the above fact epitomize why Lowe's
number be retired." When did Falloon play 1000 games as a Shark? Has he
ever been a seven time all-star? Does he hold any franchise records as a
Shark? What trophies has he won?
If the first ever draft pick on the Oilers and the person that scored the
goal was Blair Macdonald, I would not say we should retire his number. My
reasoning on Lowe's retirement is a package deal.
Jim Harnock
Leafs shouldn't have any numbers retired with the exception of #5, and Ray
Borque would still be wearing #7.
Darren Brown wrote:
> If you don't recall the Oilers allowed Valeri Segiov to wear number 17 in a
> game a few years back. It's highly unlikely they will retire kurri's number
> if they have already leant it out.
Darren Brown
Ted Soutar
for the Oilers, much less wore #17.
The only players to ever wear #17 in a regular season NHL game for the
Oilers are, starting from most recent, Rem Murray, 1996 to Present;
Scott Thornton, 1993-1996;
Jari Kurri, 1980-1990;
and Cam Connor, 1979-80.
Moreover, I have found nothing to suggest this player ever played in the
NHL, period. Do you have some information re this player?