Hey, look at this!
Malcolm
Don't see that every day, do ya?
Look, by the way he's holding it you'd think he knows how to use it.
Malcolm
Bruce McKinnon
the Wings and the Avalanche next week..
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Dave Feher
> AFLAC! If the Stars don't play better than this they will be golfing with
> the Wings and the Avalanche next week..
WOW... you gleaned that from "10-15 years of losing and suffering".
You must be a "real fan".
--
Well, you're the expert at nonsense. And you're right, we will hear a
lot about Dallas this season. We'll hear how much of a disappointment
they are when they lose in 5 games in the first round of the playoffs.
--Tony M. Soprano
--November 17, 2002
B-Mac
resent us for being more knowledgeable than you?
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Llama
I have not noticed any knowleged. I have noticed your arrogance. It
is amazing to me that Dave and I have been fans of professional hockey
for more than 30 years, yet you make insolent comments like this.
B-Mac
supporting the Stars for 30 years. I apoligize if I have insulted good fans
from Minnesota.
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Llama
>You and Dave? Am I talking to a tag-team duo? But I have to commend you for
>supporting the Stars for 30 years. I apoligize if I have insulted good fans
>from Minnesota.
I'm tired of your smart ass. I'm going to bed.
B-Mac
HockeyGuy
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Dave Feher
> How long have you suffered Dave? I hear a lot of pain in there... Do you
> resent us for being more knowledgeable than you?
Hey, Mr. Top-poster...
WTF are you talking about? Or are you Malcolm's alter ego?
Can you show me ONE OUNCE of knowledge you have infused into this group?
Oh, I'm sorry... I just realized your pompus, arrogant, over-inflated,
self-proclamation of you being the only one who apparently knows the NHL
started with six teams is all you need to say.
S'matter... did some of your original six not make it again this year?
Speaking of pain...
Troll.
Dave Feher
B-Mac wrote:
> You and Dave? Am I talking to a tag-team duo? But I have to commend you for
> supporting the Stars for 30 years. I apoligize if I have insulted good fans
> from Minnesota.
You have some real reading comprehension problems, dude. Let me help
you a little bit:
Llama said: "Dave and I have been fans of professional hockey for more
than 30 years"
B-Mac said: "But I have to commend you for supporting the Stars for 30
years"
Are you retarded? Or just a smart-ass? Or both?
For the record... the Stars haven't been in existence for 30 years.
That is, unless you think they were one of the original six. If that's
the case, please display some more of your superior hockey knowledge,
because I'm sure there are far more people than Llama and me that would
love to know WTF is inside your head beside jello.
HTH
nJb
>
snip
>
> For the record... the Stars haven't been in existence for 30 years.
> That is, unless you think they were one of the original six. If that's
> the case, please display some more of your superior hockey knowledge,
> because I'm sure there are far more people than Llama and me that would
> love to know WTF is inside your head beside jello.
>
> HTH
>
Ever follow the Dallas Black Hawks? Seems I also remember a Fort Worth
team. The Texans? The NHL not being the only professional hockey league.
Jack
SKORp
SKORp
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Bob
> B-Mac wrote:
> > You and Dave? Am I talking to a tag-team duo? But I have to commend you
for
> > supporting the Stars for 30 years. I apoligize if I have insulted good
fans
> > from Minnesota.
>
> You have some real reading comprehension problems, dude. Let me help
> you a little bit:
>
> Llama said: "Dave and I have been fans of professional hockey for more
> than 30 years"
>
> B-Mac said: "But I have to commend you for supporting the Stars for 30
> years"
>
> Are you retarded? Or just a smart-ass? Or both?
>
> For the record... the Stars haven't been in existence for 30 years.
For the record the "Dallas Stars" have not been in existance for 30 years
BUT the Stars franchise has (roughly 35 years actually).
> That is, unless you think they were one of the original six.
30 years ago would have been 1973. In 1973 there were 16 teams in the league
having just added the Islanders and Atlanta Flames that year (72/73). In
70/71 they had added the Canucks and Sabres and in 67/68 ( 35 years ago) the
league had doubled from the "original 6" to 12 with the
Flyers,Penguins,Seals,Blues,Kings and of course the North Stars. so is was a
wee bit longer than 30 years ago when it was just the "original 6" and it
does include a time when the Stars franchise was around. That being said I
think he was being a smart-ass
Bob
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> B-Mac wrote:
> > How long have you suffered Dave? I hear a lot of pain in there... Do you
> > resent us for being more knowledgeable than you?
>
> Hey, Mr. Top-poster...
>
> WTF are you talking about? Or are you Malcolm's alter ego?
>
> Can you show me ONE OUNCE of knowledge you have infused into this group?
> Oh, I'm sorry... I just realized your pompus, arrogant, over-inflated,
> self-proclamation of you being the only one who apparently knows the NHL
> started with six teams is all you need to say.
The NHL didnt start with 6 teams it started with 5. Only 4 of which played
the first year. Only 3 of which finished the first year. Only 2 of which
have been in operation every year of the NHL and only one of which never
changed its name. There were a few teams in the NHL prior to the original 6
that never lasted til today such as: the original Ottawa Senators/ St Louis
Eagles, Montreal Wanderers, Quebec Bulldogs/Hamilton Tigers, Montreal
Maroons, Pitsburgh Pirates/Philadelphia Quakers, and the NY
Americans/Brooklyn Americans.
Llama
That was my team, the Dallas Blackhawks. My first date was to a hawks
game. My first beer was at a hawks game. I lost my virginity at a
hawks game. We had some great hockey in Dallas in those days.
BTW, at one point several years ago, when counting the WPHL (which
partially folded and merged with the CHL), the CHL, IHL or AHL
depending on which year we are talking about, there are more
professional teams in Texas than there are in Canada. Of course there
will never be as many junior teams here, and probably not as good as
the great junior hockey leagues in Canada. But it seems odd to me
that there ARE more professional teams here in this state "full of
dumnassed rednecks" than there are in the nation where "hockey is
religion."
Llama
wrote:
>
<snip
>30 years ago would have been 1973. In 1973 there were 16 teams in the league
>having just added the Islanders and Atlanta Flames that year (72/73). In
>70/71 they had added the Canucks and Sabres and in 67/68 ( 35 years ago) the
>league had doubled from the "original 6" to 12 with the
>Flyers,Penguins,Seals,Blues,Kings and of course the North Stars. so is was a
>wee bit longer than 30 years ago when it was just the "original 6" and it
>does include a time when the Stars franchise was around. That being said I
>think he was being a smart-ass
>
I figured that was his point, but I'm weary of trying to discuss
hockey with people who just want to be smart asses.
>
nJb
That had to be rough on you when the Hawks folded. Blackhawks didn't get
my cherry, but they screwed us out of getting our third consecutive cup
in the '82 playoffs. We were heavily favored and I remember the Hawks
waving good-bye to us after they went up 3-2 after game 5. They were
right. I don't remember who went on to win the cup, hell I can't even
remember the name of the cup. I had season tickets, $7.50 on the blue
line 8 rows off the glass. Beer was a buck.
--
Jack
Llama
You were in Tulsa then?
I made up the part about my virginity, although I came close one night
in the upper stands after my date and I downed a large quantity of
cheap beer. I loved the $2.00 seats. Heck, the beer was almost as
expensive as the seats.
Dave Feher
Actually, I didn't follow them as near as Llama did, but by now, you
know that story. I had a little aversion to anything named "Blackhawk"
back then (hell, that hasn't changed today) because I was not a fan of
Chicago. I did follow the CHL and the NHL back then.
Despite the fact that my radio waves (at the time) were infiltrated with
Wings hockey (coming out of Windsor and across Lake Erie), I think I
learned to hate them 30-40 years ago.
I really got pushed over the edge when the Freeze started to play here
(for doing the seasons's ticket thingee), and despite the fact they
literally played in a barn (Fair Park), it was a blast watching guys
like Troy Binnie and Dean Shmyr. If I am not mistaken, he is the son of
Paul Shmyr who was a solid defenseman of Cleveland Crusaders fame from
the WHA in the 70's.
And in fact, the biggest kick I got was to see Chris Chelios' little
brother NEVER make it to the NHL. He musta been so frustrated over that
he actually played in Roller Hockey leagues in the mid-90's. What a
look-a-like, though.
Shane Crowe
wrote:
>And in fact, the biggest kick I got was to see Chris Chelios' little
>brother NEVER make it to the NHL. He musta been so frustrated over that
>he actually played in Roller Hockey leagues in the mid-90's. What a
>look-a-like, though.
Man, I was a penalty box official one season for a pro roller hockey
league. I've never seen so many fights. My first game, there were
something like 150 PIMs given to each team. And IIRC, these were only
45 minute games and minors were only 90 seconds. (This game was an
exception - the rest were bad, but not that bad)
One guy on the visiting team (so help me, I think it was Anahiem) was
convinced the officials were against them. When he got in a big brawl
and came to the box (ie: was wrestled by the linesman into the box), I
made sure not to make eye contact with him. LOL.
B-Mac
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nJb
I was in Salt Lake, still am. Tulsa had the oilers.
--
Jack
TJ
> > >
> > >Ever follow the Dallas Black Hawks? Seems I also remember a Fort Worth
> > >team. The Texans? The NHL not being the only professional hockey
league.
> > >
> >
> > That was my team, the Dallas Blackhawks. My first date was to a hawks
> > game. My first beer was at a hawks game. I lost my virginity at a
> > hawks game. We had some great hockey in Dallas in those days.
> >
>
Ah yes, the old CHL. Talk about going to a fight and a hockey game breaking
out. I was just a squirt back then. I loved the Blackhawks and the Texans
always kicked thier ass it seemed. Blackhawks had cooler jerseys and so i
was fan of course. About 3 years ago my mom found a old program from the
Fort Worth Wings! (pre Texans) They were the Detroit Red Wings farm team
then and what a riot to look at. Old Schlitz beer ads and Shakeys Pizza
coupons. Even a coupon for the Arby's in Haltom City (which is still there).
The coupon had no experation date so i was tempted to take it and get my
sandwich and Pepsi for 99 cents! It had an article about the new ultra
modern Olympia (i think?) coloseaum that was just built for the Red Wings. I
was just in 4 th grade at the time but it seems the players were much much
older than the CHL now. Maybe it was the sideburns and beards.
As far as junior teams go we have the Texas Tornado, they must be pretty
damn good becasue they make it to the top every year. I think they won it
all last year and just lost to the Pittsburgh team this year. They say the
Tornado players are "prospects" and the Chl players are "suspects." A
Tornado player once said they would beat the CHL teams on the ice but after
they got up 2-3 goals they CHLrs would beat the shit out of them. Sounds
good to me...
nJb
>
> nJb wrote:
> > Dave Feher wrote:
> >
> > snip
> >
> >>For the record... the Stars haven't been in existence for 30 years.
> >>That is, unless you think they were one of the original six. If that's
> >>the case, please display some more of your superior hockey knowledge,
> >>because I'm sure there are far more people than Llama and me that would
> >>love to know WTF is inside your head beside jello.
> >>
> >>HTH
> >>
> >
> >
> > Ever follow the Dallas Black Hawks? Seems I also remember a Fort Worth
> > team. The Texans? The NHL not being the only professional hockey league.
> >
> > Jack
>
> Actually, I didn't follow them as near as Llama did, but by now, you
> know that story. I had a little aversion to anything named "Blackhawk"
> back then (hell, that hasn't changed today) because I was not a fan of
> Chicago. I did follow the CHL and the NHL back then.
>
> Despite the fact that my radio waves (at the time) were infiltrated with
> Wings hockey (coming out of Windsor and across Lake Erie), I think I
> learned to hate them 30-40 years ago.
>
Maybe it was you last week that I was telling about picking up WMMS when
I lived on Lake Erie. So why the Dallas affiliation?
Jack
nJb
The new arena you read about would be Joe Louis. I think Olympia was
built in the 20's. What a place that was. Very steep so you hung over
the ice.
I saw a guy once with a jersey that had an iguana on it. San Antonio or
San Angelo. Sure was a nice jersey.
--
Jack
Dave Feher
> Dave Feher wrote:
>
<snip>
>>Despite the fact that my radio waves (at the time) were infiltrated with
>>Wings hockey (coming out of Windsor and across Lake Erie), I think I
>>learned to hate them 30-40 years ago.
>>
>
> So are you in Cleveland now?
No... my "at the time" comment was pre-1978. Got to Texas by choice in
'78. My "first" hockey love was the original (AHL) Cleveland Barons.
Back in '64 I was in hog heaven... the Barons won the "Cup" (talk about
an incredibly balanced scoring team) and the Browns beat the Colts.
(And unfortunately, people were still dwelling like they are today about
the '48 Indians). Good stuff.
>
> Maybe it was you last week that I was telling about picking up WMMS when
> I lived on Lake Erie. So why the Dallas affiliation?
No, not me, but I do remember the Cleveland rock station WMMS.
106.something?
>
> Jack
--
Well, you're the expert at nonsense. And you're right, we will hear a
lot about Dallas this season. We'll hear how much of a disappointment
they are when they lose in 5 games in the first round of the playoffs.
Tony M. Soprano
November 17, 2002
Bob
> Thanks Bob! I knew some dickhead out there would agree with me.
Wow I was complimented and insulted in the same 1 sentence post. Im
impressed LOL :-)
Dave Feher
<snip>
> For the record the "Dallas Stars" have not been in existance for 30 years
> BUT the Stars franchise has (roughly 35 years actually).
Which was *exactly* my point.
Not directed at you, but I get sick and tired of trolls coming in here
to piss and moan about how Dallas "stole" this franchise but don't have
a frickin clue as to how this franchise arrived here.
There were quotes from guys like Courtnall, Cavallini, and even Modano,
IIRC about the attendance up North. The crowds were typically announced
at 8k+ per game, but in reality, they talked about how depressing it was
to play in front of 3500 fans in an 18k seat arena, despite some decent
success near the end. They have Norm Green to thank for that, who was
distracted by two things that both brought him down and caused his
attention over marketing his franchise to diminish.
He invested so heavily into Western Canada real estate that he used the
Stars as collateral for $60mm in bank notes. And he couldn't keep his
zipper in the "up" position regarding his secretary. When he combined
nobody wanting to invest and develop his land with the pathetic
attendance (which is pretty ironic considering how the Wild have been
embraced), he was running out of money and his hockey team wasn't the
cash cow he thought it should be to get him thru. Based on a couple of
NHL "demo" games that had previously filled Reunion Arena, he brought it
here.
Things only got worse for him and better for us fans since. The banks
called in their notes, and he had to sell the Stars for $84mm, most of
which went to pay off those loans. And not keeping his zipper closed
cost him about $500k to make it "go away". However, he has given me a
new career goal - to be an EX-franchise owner. The Stars put him on as
a "consultant" for 5 years at $500k/year after the sale.
Had not Hicks come along with the sweet media deal he put together (and
then sold), combined withe some hockey marketing savvy, I'm convinced we
might have ended up with a "small market" team in a major city... with
the popularity of possibly the Sidekicks.
I know marketing is a two way street (and a hell of a lot more difficult
here, down "south" for the NHL) but for Minnesota folks to get all pissy
about Dallas "stealing" their team is a deaf argument to me. A case of
"you don't know what you had until you've lost it". If you don't
support it, of course it's going to go away. They need to stop acting
like we stole this thing - they didn't want it, period.
--
Well, you're the expert at nonsense. And you're right, we will hear a
lot about Dallas this season. We'll hear how much of a disappointment
they are when they lose in 5 games in the first round of the playoffs.
Tony M. Soprano
November 17, 2002
Dave Feher
The sad thing is he didn't say anything that would lead one to believe
you've agreed with him. If anything, you've corrected him. Oopsss...
maybe THAT qualifies you as a "dickhead".
;-)
--
Well, you're the expert at nonsense. And you're right, we will hear a
lot about Dallas this season. We'll hear how much of a disappointment
they are when they lose in 5 games in the first round of the playoffs.
Tony M. Soprano
November 17, 2002
nJb
> up. A Salt Lake resident who is not also Stars fan? Interesting. Do
> you go to the Griz. games?
Spring of 82. Salt Lake going for 3peet. Pretty sure it was Dallas that
took us out in first round. I quit local hockey when Larry Miller took
over and built the Delta Center. There were many seats where you could
only see one goal. They play at the E Center now and I probably see 3-4
games a season.
Stars fan? I was born and raised in Detroit. In the early 70's I used to
listen to all the games on radio, suffered through many years. The name
South Stars just came into my head. CHL. Where was that team?
--
Jack
nJb
>
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:50:53 -0600, nJb <bobo...@xmission.com> wrote:
> <snip>
> >I saw a guy once with a jersey that had an iguana on it. San Antonio or
> >San Angelo. Sure was a nice jersey.
>
>
> Odessa has the Jackalopes. My wife still thinks I'm f@$*ing with her
> when I say that there really is a Jackalope. Where do all those
> jackalope trophies come from if there is no such animal?
State bird of Wyoming.
--
Jack
Dave Feher
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:25:47 -0500, Dave Feher <djf...@GO-Stars.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>I really got pushed over the edge when the Freeze started to play here
>>(for doing the seasons's ticket thingee), and despite the fact they
>>literally played in a barn (Fair Park), it was a blast watching guys
>>like Troy Binnie and Dean Shmyr. If I am not mistaken, he is the son of
>>Paul Shmyr who was a solid defenseman of Cleveland Crusaders fame from
>>the WHA in the 70's.
>>
>
> games in '93 than I went to Stars games. BTW, that 'barn' at Fair
> Park was the same Colosium where the Blackhawk played. It just seemed
> a lot smaller 25 years later.
Yes, indeedy. I thought it was kinda like an "over 40" league, but
definitly cut out of the "Slapshot" style of play. $10 for seats on the
glass - couldn't beat that deal. But if you liked 100 PIMs a night, it
was great entertainment. Where could you see bench-clearing brawls and
goalies fighting every other night at center ice?
Were you there for the "fog game"? Between periods, I don't know what
the zam guy did, but he created such dense fog on the ice, it was about
4' high and thick as pea soup. They couldn't start the next period, so
some genius figured, "heck, I'll just open all the barn doors and pour
some MORE hot, moist air in here to "blow" this fog away". D'oy...
wrong answer.
Never saw a fog delay before. When they started using "Fast Ice" at the
AAC, I had a flashback the first time I saw it until I realized they
were spraying water from the back-end of the zam.
--
Well, you're the expert at nonsense. And you're right, we will hear a
lot about Dallas this season. We'll hear how much of a disappointment
they are when they lose in 5 games in the first round of the playoffs.
Tony M. Soprano
November 17, 2002
Dave Feher
<snip>
> I think Jim Lites deserves some credit for marketing the Stars. He
> never did well with the Texas Rangers, but he really has understood
> how to market Hockey in Dallas.
I'll even go further than that. I'm thanking his ex-daddy-in-law,
Illitych (sp). Man... even before the personal bottom fell out, ole Jim
thought he was next in line in Detroit. Then he gets snubbed for the
job. Just another reason for me to dislike the Wings, but I am very
happy he's sharing his expertise here. I still want to know what that
little Coyote departure-thingee was all aboot last year - bizarre.
>>I know marketing is a two way street (and a hell of a lot more difficult
>>here, down "south" for the NHL) but for Minnesota folks to get all pissy
>>about Dallas "stealing" their team is a deaf argument to me. A case of
>>"you don't know what you had until you've lost it". If you don't
>>support it, of course it's going to go away. They need to stop acting
>>like we stole this thing - they didn't want it, period.
>
>
> I think they support the Wild now because they learned what it was
> like to lose a team for non-support. Sure they hated us, because they
> did not want to look at themselves who were really to blame.
/ref rant
Speaking of the Wild... did you catch McGoo's call on Bertuzzi last
night w/about 8 minutes left? Bertuzzi tackles a guy behind the net,
McGoo really does have to make the call, and Bertuzzi (who reminds me of
Forsberg when he gets caught - I guess they both think they are Lady
Byng candidates) slams his stick across the back of the goal. The blade
of his stick goes flying and almost hits McGoo. No further calls. What
a picture of sportsmanlike conduct THAT was. Nucks were down 3-1 at the
time, so I guess making the right call didn't serve to narrow that gap
*in* Vancouver.
I guess you really do have to make sexual references to a ref's mother
to be "unsportsman like". Or be Hatch?
Whatawip.
/rant
nJb
> >listen to all the games on radio, suffered through many years. The name
> >South Stars just came into my head. CHL. Where was that team?
>
> moved here in '82. Most are Dallas fans now, except on nights when
> the Wings are in town. It's amazing to see all the red in the Arena
> on fans who are Stars season ticket holders.
>
> You got on the South Stars. The last time I heard that, it was
> Dominik Hasek saying it when he played for Buffalo.
Check these out:
http://www.geocities.com/texliebmann/hockey/eagles/eagles.htm
http://pages.prodigy.net/oldchl/oldchl.htm
The yearly standings page on the second link is great.
I know a lot of Detroiters migrated to Houston in the 70's. I moved to
Salt Lake in '76. At that time there was no NHL coverage on TV. None. In
1977 we went into a so called sports bar and asked them to turn the All
Star game on and they looked at me like I had two heads. They didn't
want to miss college bouncyball. It was 1983 before I had the NHL in my
living room.
If I lived in an NHL town I'm sure my loyalties could change.
--
Jack
nJb
>
> Were you there for the "fog game"? Between periods, I don't know what
> the zam guy did, but he created such dense fog on the ice, it was about
> 4' high and thick as pea soup. They couldn't start the next period, so
> some genius figured, "heck, I'll just open all the barn doors and pour
> some MORE hot, moist air in here to "blow" this fog away". D'oy...
> wrong answer.
>
Same thing happened in the '75 finals in Buffalo. They kept stopping
play and had the players skate laps to disperse the fog.
Jack
Bluedog
>I think Jim Lites deserves some credit for marketing the Stars. He
>never did well with the Texas Rangers, but he really has understood
>how to market Hockey in Dallas.
That's an interesting statement in light of the recent playoff ticket
price debacle that your intimately familiar with. Said debacle was
followed by complete silence by the Stars organization, until they
took such scathing comments from the media they had to say something.
Not saying I disagree, just interested in your perspective on this.
Bluedog