Calgarypuck.com

[hmmm]

Hey, you guys should just come to Calgarypuck....this group is dead.

[Kona]

nasty site, thanks for all the spyware cookies....just another form of
spam. I will never go there again.... the designer of this site is spamming
the visitor to make a few cents shame on you.

This groups slow because it is September.
"hmmm" <flam...@NOSPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message
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[hmmm]

WTF are you talkin about?

Its a great message board, and with posters such as Roger Millions from
Sportsnet, several Flames employees, probably some players even.

"Kona" <flash...@canada.com> wrote in message
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[Kona]

that part is great but lose the fastclick ads

"hmmm" <flam...@NOSPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message

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[Comic-Kaze]

Man, you are a little paranoid there. ^_^
Ads don't even show up on my computer.

Cookies do you no harm. Just turn them off in your browser. Cookies ARE NOT
spyware.
Even if you are afraid of spyware just use Lavasoft's Ad-Aware.

This newsgroup is really dead. Calgarypuck has 1309 members and even the
media checks it for information.
-Jeremy

"Kona" <flash...@canada.com> wrote in message

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[Lemieux]

The primary function of cookies in the chain of spam is that,
companies can collect some user data and browsing habits from unsuspecting individuals,
and then combine a personal profile from all these datas collected and sell the profile off to a spamer.

So, yes, technically cookies isn't a spyware in itself,
but regardless, the way cookies are designed by MS make itself an easily abused technology.

--
R.I.A.A.
Ripping Individuals And Advancements
-- Lemieux

"The problem is that the RIAA has the kind of money that,
whether you're right or wrong, you're out of business.
It's not whether you win or lose, but whether you survive the litigation."
-- Lance Cottrell, founder and president of Anonymizer.com

"It is time for the RIAA to be held accountable for years of manipulating an
entire industry in order to stifle the growth of independent music and control
Internet content and distribution channels."
-- Ann Gabriel, president of the Webcaster Alliance

"Comic-Kaze"

[Richard]

Exactly, there are so many flashing ads on the site I thought I was going to
have a seizure. Such a waste of bandwidth

The bottom line is that the content of the site is great....maybe sell ad
space to local companies.

Cookies can be harmless but with fastclick they track where you go and use
that info to customize the type of ads (popups) you will see. Anything that
happens on my computer without my knowledge is wrong.

I think you have a nice site and a great idea, with that many people
visiting your site you could make more money selling space to companies in
and around Calgary....the blinking ads take away from your content.

Kona
"Lemieux" <lemieux_kamiu@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[Sinfire]

Don't forget about all the extra ads that pop up when you read posts
by the so called famous people. I clicked on a post by Roger
Millions, and I had popups popping up all over the place.

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 02:34:37 GMT, "Richard" <flash...@canada.com>
wrote:

[Comic-Kaze]

I don't know where you guys are seeing these ads because my pop-up stopper
is killing them all before they even reach me.
Heck even my banner ads say: "Page Cannot be Displayed".

The fact is that the content is really good (well for game updates at least,
I'm following the Flames/Knuckleheads game right now because I simarily
don't want to install the spyware that comes with the chaincast radio
player.

You really should get some anti-ad/privacy protection tools on your computer
nowadays because you are assaulted from almost every site you visit. 99.99%
of websites will send you cookies. Get some good ad blocking software and
the forum is a great place.

But yes, I know the ads can be a pain, especially if I'm browsing it from
the University which has no anti-ad software.

-Jeremy

"Sinfire" <sin...@nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message
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[hmmm]

there is ONE pop up on the page load. oooooooh what a bandwidth waste...

"Richard" <flash...@canada.com> wrote in message
news:1Nrdb.34781$I36.25686@pd7tw3no...

[hmmm]

Sounds like these guys might need to clean up their systems, they should run
adaware and run a firewall.

I have never seen a pop-up while reading through the postings at
Calgarypuck..

"Comic-Kaze" <comic...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:jitdb.25363$O85.519@pd7tw1no...

[Jay Random]

hmmm wrote:
> Sounds like these guys might need to clean up their systems, they should run
> adaware and run a firewall.

First off, firewalls don't stop popups or cookies.

Second, if a site is TRYING to install spyware on my system & deluge me
with popup ads, I give them full marks for effort -- that is to say, I
blame THEM, not me. I use a browser that stops all popups & an operating
system that will not allow any spyware to run, but I consider such
tactics sleazy in themselves & prefer not to patronize any site that
inflicts such things on the public.

Thanks, all, for letting me know these things about Calgarypuck. They're
on my personal blacklist now.

[Doug Norris]

Jay Random <jra...@bondwine.com> writes:

>Second, if a site is TRYING to install spyware on my system & deluge me
>with popup ads, I give them full marks for effort -- that is to say, I
>blame THEM, not me. I use a browser that stops all popups & an operating
>system that will not allow any spyware to run, but I consider such
>tactics sleazy in themselves & prefer not to patronize any site that
>inflicts such things on the public.

Agreed with Jay completely. If a company's trying to harm you as a
customer (and I consider popups, spyware, et al. to be just that), and
you successfully avoid that through use of countermeasures, that doesn't
mean that everything's alright. The company *still* tried to do those
things to you; you can't just say "ah well, good try" and move along.

I won't support websites that kill you with popups and spyware because
I don't believe in those tactics (even if they don't affect me personally).
Supporting such tactics will only lead to more of them.

Doug

[hmmm]

"Jay Random" <jra...@bondwine.com> wrote in message
news:3f76f352$1...@news.nucleus.com...

> hmmm wrote:
> > Sounds like these guys might need to clean up their systems, they should
run
> > adaware and run a firewall.
>
> First off, firewalls don't stop popups or cookies.

Wrong, a firewall will stop a lot of spyware intrusions if it detects them.
And is it so hard to turn cookies off?

>
> Second, if a site is TRYING to install spyware on my system & deluge me
> with popup ads, I give them full marks for effort -- that is to say, I
> blame THEM, not me. I use a browser that stops all popups & an operating
> system that will not allow any spyware to run, but I consider such
> tactics sleazy in themselves & prefer not to patronize any site that
> inflicts such things on the public.
>
> Thanks, all, for letting me know these things about Calgarypuck. They're
> on my personal blacklist now.
>

suck Jay. Not much of a Flames fan... oh well - you stay here with the other
3 users and talk about how dead it is.

[Comic-Kaze]

The guy has to pay for his webhosting somehow. It's not like his an evil
bastard who is raking in millions from the ads and cookies. I bet he's
hardly even getting his costs back.

If you have a problem with a guy paying his bills, then I just don't know
what to say anymore.
If you can block everything the site sends at you, then who cares? It's the
same thing.

Calgarypuck.com is just a site made by a Flames fan for Flames fans. If
you've got a problem with ads and cookies and
blacklist every site that does that to you then you might as well get off
the damn internet and live in a glass house.

-Jeremy

[Jay Random]

hmmm wrote:
> "Jay Random" <jra...@bondwine.com> wrote in message
> news:3f76f352$1...@news.nucleus.com...
>
>>hmmm wrote:
>>
>>>Sounds like these guys might need to clean up their systems, they should
>
> run
>
>>>adaware and run a firewall.
>>
>>First off, firewalls don't stop popups or cookies.
>
>
> Wrong, a firewall will stop a lot of spyware intrusions if it detects them.
> And is it so hard to turn cookies off?

Spyware, yes. Cookies, no. Cookies are not spyware as such. They are
received via HTTP, & if you have your firewall set to stop them, you
will not receive web data at all. Stopping cookies is a browser issue.

> suck Jay. Not much of a Flames fan... oh well - you stay here with the other
> 3 users and talk about how dead it is.

If all the people on Calgarypuck are as rude as you, that's yet another
reason to stay away.

[Jay Random]

Comic-Kaze wrote:
> The guy has to pay for his webhosting somehow. It's not like his an evil
> bastard who is raking in millions from the ads and cookies. I bet he's
> hardly even getting his costs back.

Most people don't get their costs back from websites. This is my problem
how?

> If you have a problem with a guy paying his bills, then I just don't know
> what to say anymore.

I don't have a problem with a guy paying his bills. I have problems with
intrusive advertising & spyware.

> If you can block everything the site sends at you, then who cares? It's the
> same thing.

I don't believe in encouraging that kind of behaviour by anyone.

> Calgarypuck.com is just a site made by a Flames fan for Flames fans.

If it were truly a fan site, they wouldn't be so concerned about
revenue. It's a commercial site. I choose not to be a customer. Deal
with it.

> If you've got a problem with ads and cookies and
> blacklist every site that does that to you then you might as well get off
> the damn internet and live in a glass house.

I have no problem at all with cookies. I don't even have a problem with
ads. Actual spyware I have a problem with, & I have a problem with the
intrusive, annoying popup, pop-under, pop-wherever ads that are so
common on the net now. I choose not to play. And having snooped around
Calgarypuck a little before I heard about these things, I don't think
I'm missing much.

[Doug Norris]

"Comic-Kaze" <comic...@shaw.ca> writes:

>If you have a problem with a guy paying his bills, then I just don't know
>what to say anymore.

There are other ways to do it. I run a site without popups, so I've got no
sympathy at all.

Besides, it's my economic freedom, right? If I don't want to go somewhere,
then I don't go there.

Doug

[Sinfire]

You are missing the popups that pop up when you read messages,
especially messages by the so called pro writers that visit the group.

Personally, I find it a nieusance to have to click exit all those
popups, I didn't really mind that flashing ad in the top right corner
of the webpage.

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 06:44:39 GMT, "hmmm" <flam...@NOSPAMshaw.ca>
wrote:

[Comic-Kaze]

Okay okay, I don't want to start a flame-war here (too late I guess ^_^) but
suit yourself.

Calgarypuck does get a lot of traffic and forums are real stenuous on
bandwidth and server space but to each his own.
My philosophy is that the internet is full of ads and spyware these days so
there's no point complaining when I can just protect my own computer with my
own tools.

It's just a good place for Flames discussion and indepth inside information.
But of course there are always the trolls just like you get on here but it
is more controlled becauase of forum moderation and registration.

Even Roger Millions from Sportsnet posts on there now and I'm certain all
the sports media are on there lurking in some form or another.

-Jeremy

[Lemieux]

Thank you for your needless concern.
I can assure the state of my system is in a much better shape than yours.
You are a computer idiot if you think firewall and Adaware are all you need.

You cannot see the popups (me neither, which is one of the reason why I still visit them) is not equal to them not running popups.
This is like saying you did not see a murderer murders someone so he is innocent.
Problem here is, there are others who have experienced the ads.
Hence, witnessed the mruder.

Live with it and deal with it.
Whatever wrap up reason you can think of such as paying for hosting.
Ads, especially nowadays that they have become more and more intrusive, is resent and unwelcome by the general public.

--
R.I.A.A.
Ripping Individuals And Advancements
-- Lemieux

"The problem is that the RIAA has the kind of money that,
whether you're right or wrong, you're out of business.
It's not whether you win or lose, but whether you survive the litigation."
-- Lance Cottrell, founder and president of Anonymizer.com

"It is time for the RIAA to be held accountable for years of manipulating an
entire industry in order to stifle the growth of independent music and control
Internet content and distribution channels."
-- Ann Gabriel, president of the Webcaster Alliance

"hmmm"

[Lemieux]

I visit Calgarypuck very often before they become so ad intensive.
Now, I visit less.
Tell me if you are an admin there or not please.
If yes, I will visit even less, thank you very much.

And before you start flaming again, I have Norton Internet Security installed,
which is a software based firewall for my Win98.
It can potentially blocks all ads and pop-whatever provided you have given the appropriate information to it.
Is it convinent? No.
One reason I personally am offended by pop-whatever is that, most of them are java script based.
Most ad-blocking technology simply turn off java script pop up in order to block these pop-whatever.
Problem is that, this will cause a lot of legitimate site with legitimate information poping blocked too.

And get your terminologies right before you even start flaming.
Most firewalls do NOT block the installation of adware/spyware.
Some of them, occasionally, will only block their access when they try to return information to those companies.
Adaware is a passive approach to fight ad-technologies.
The free version will only remove adware/spyware when you run it, it will not block the installation either.
Hell, IIRC, adaware would NOT even block date being sent back to those companies.
Cookies, try to turn them all off and have fun visiting internet sites.
And why the hell do I need all of these, if in the first place, the internet is not filled with all these fucking junk ads and spams?
I surely do NOT need any ad blocking a few years ago when I enjoy my browsing.
What a SERIOUS waste of my CPU and RAM power.
(Yes, programs that run in the backgroud hinder your CPU performances in a VERY HUGE way, just in case you do not know.)

If you are truely into fighting against adware/spyware.
I suggest you first, stay up to date with what softwares are being known to practice such grief (Real media once spy you without your concent but was discovered and since then, ask you during installation if you care to not keep clicking next next next).
Next, install a firewall to block potentially harmful programs already installed sending data out from your computer.
Then, get some installation monitor software so that you can always go back to the logs to find out exactly what has been installed.
Run BOTH adaware and Spypot Search and Destroy (something like that, sp) often to remove harmful cookies and adware/spyware.
One function that is really nice for Spypot is that it has an immune system which will block up some offensive known adware/spyware when they try to install themselves jsut from you browsing a site (of couse, without your consent).

O yeah, and you know what?
The more effective the ad-blocking software is, the more it slows down your CPU and your browsing.
Think of a filter where everything has to run through it and being checked, "is this ad? is this ad? is this ad?"
Turn it off, your pages load up much faster now.
However, now the ads, especially those java scripted based and/or flash based, slow it down again.
Either way, these ads just make daily broswing a pain in the ass with or without the blocking technologies.

Think of whatever you want.
But pop-whatever, ad banners, cookies feeding idiots such as Gators along with spam are a VERY big waste of bandwidth.
The internet is not just about you and the site, there is a whole backbone there and everyone is running through that.
One popup multiple by 10000 visitors = 10000 popups.
Multiple yet again with all the other sites utilizing popups = huge useless junk regarding bandwidth and contents.
One of the reasons that internet connectivities keep getting slower and slower IS pop-whatever ads, especially those java script based.

You come here trying to promote Calgarypuck.com.
Whatever you are trying to do now, you are making yourself and the site look worse.
If driving people away from the site is your intention, you are very successful.
My suggestion, get some advices from Marc Cimpa (sp).
He occasionally come here pormoting the website, by is still very welcome and is never a flames subject nor a subject of flames.

By the way, call me whatever you want.
I still do not like the way topics are being sorted and shown by most website forums.
I prefer my Outlook Express's way of how they show up.
And just to let you know so that you can STFU with your flames.
I run and am an admin of a PHP based forum.

--
R.I.A.A.
Ripping Individuals And Advancements
-- Lemieux

"The problem is that the RIAA has the kind of money that,
whether you're right or wrong, you're out of business.
It's not whether you win or lose, but whether you survive the litigation."
-- Lance Cottrell, founder and president of Anonymizer.com

"It is time for the RIAA to be held accountable for years of manipulating an
entire industry in order to stifle the growth of independent music and control
Internet content and distribution channels."
-- Ann Gabriel, president of the Webcaster Alliance

"hmmm"

[Buff]

You pretty much summed it up! Thanks! I kept delaying posting about this
topic and now you did exactly what I was going to say and more. You
pretty much got everything correct. And no I'm not backing up Lemieux
because I'm trying to get involved in this little calgarypuck.com vs
a.s.h.n.clgry-flames war. I'm agreeing with him because he's right.
Those who post/lurk in here will know that because I've had my issues
with Lemieux in the past.

[hmmm]

I am logged in right now and I am not getting any pop-ups while reading
posts. you guys need to learn how to setup up your internet explorer
security settings properly.

"Sinfire" <sin...@nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message

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[Jason Hebert]

So, get a firewall...

"Lemieux" <lemieux_kamiu@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7Vpdb.34457$I36.31990@pd7tw3no...

[Jason Hebert]

What flashing ads are you talking about? I have only seen one ad at the top
of the page and one ad at the bottom. Sometimes they are animated but if
that causes you to have a seizure then I would suggest upping your tegritol
levels...

"Richard" <flash...@canada.com> wrote in message
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[Jason Hebert]

Dude, you need to get Adaware and a firewall if that's happening to you...

"Sinfire" <sin...@nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message

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[hmmm]

you use norton firewall and run win98? lol... ya you are running such a
secure system...

"Lemieux" <lemieux_kamiu@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:UAMdb.29154$O85.6489@pd7tw1no...

[Jason Hebert]

Firewalls don't stop pop-ups? Then you are running a shitty firewall. A
good firewall should have a pop-up killer. Mine does.

CalgaryPuck does not try to install spyware. If you think that it is, then
you should invest in some computer training courses...

"Jay Random" <jra...@bondwine.com> wrote in message
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[Jason Hebert]

"Lemieux" <lemieux_kamiu@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:UAMdb.29154$O85.6489@pd7tw1no...

> And before you start flaming again, I have Norton Internet Security
installed,
> which is a software based firewall for my Win98.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Norton Internet Security? What a joke!

Windows 98? That's probably one of the worst OS's for stability that I've
ever used. BTW...come join the rest of us in the 21st Century.

[Doug Norris]

"hmmm" <flam...@NOSPAMshaw.ca> writes:

>I am logged in right now and I am not getting any pop-ups while reading
>posts. you guys need to learn how to setup up your internet explorer
>security settings properly.

Whatever. I guess we're all just so stupid that I can't understand why
you'd want us there, anyhow. It's amazing we can even type.

Doug

[Jay Random]

Jason Hebert wrote:
> Firewalls don't stop pop-ups? Then you are running a shitty firewall. A
> good firewall should have a pop-up killer. Mine does.

How is a firewall supposed to distinguish between HTTP data (port 80)
for windows you _want_ to display, & HTTP data (port 80) for windows you
_don't_ want to display? They can't. Browsers do that. If you set your
firewall to block port 80, you won't be able to access the Web at all.
If you use a browser that blocks popups, it does so by blocking certain
HTML, Java, & Javascript commands found in the files it receives.

Most people, by the way, use MSIE, which does not block popups at all.

> CalgaryPuck does not try to install spyware. If you think that it is, then
> you should invest in some computer training courses...

I'm going by what people have been saying here. Maybe _they_ should
invest in some courses; it's not _my_ problem.

[Jay Random]

Jason Hebert wrote:
>
> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
>
> Norton Internet Security? What a joke!
>
> Windows 98? That's probably one of the worst OS's for stability that I've
> ever used. BTW...come join the rest of us in the 21st Century.

You mean those of you who need Micro$oft's permission to wipe your nose?

You know, you're behaving like an absolute jerk about this. Not
everybody uses your personal choice of operating system, not everybody
uses your personal choice of security software, & not everybody even has
the time to educate themselves in computer technology sufficiently to
_know_ about your choice of software. Furthermore, your own security
isn't perfect. I guarantee it. So stop being so damned rude about it.

[Jason Hebert]

"Jay Random" <jra...@bondwine.com> wrote in message

news:3f77c1bd$1...@news.nucleus.com...

> Jason Hebert wrote:
> > Firewalls don't stop pop-ups? Then you are running a shitty firewall.
A
> > good firewall should have a pop-up killer. Mine does.
>
> How is a firewall supposed to distinguish between HTTP data (port 80)
> for windows you _want_ to display, & HTTP data (port 80) for windows you
> _don't_ want to display? They can't.

Bullshit. Zone Alarm Pro features ad blocking that you can customize to two
different security levels. It can block pop-ups and block banner ads.

Browsers do that. If you set your
> firewall to block port 80, you won't be able to access the Web at all.
> If you use a browser that blocks popups, it does so by blocking certain
> HTML, Java, & Javascript commands found in the files it receives.
>
> Most people, by the way, use MSIE, which does not block popups at all.

THAT'S WHY YOU GET A GOOD FIREWALL!!!

>
> > CalgaryPuck does not try to install spyware. If you think that it is,
then
> > you should invest in some computer training courses...
>
> I'm going by what people have been saying here. Maybe _they_ should
> invest in some courses; it's not _my_ problem.

So, because you're going by what other people are saying that means that
they should learn more so you know what you're doing?

[Jason Hebert]

"Jay Random" <jra...@bondwine.com> wrote in message

news:3f77c3b4$1...@news.nucleus.com...

> Jason Hebert wrote:
> >
> >
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
> > AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
> >
> > Norton Internet Security? What a joke!
> >
> > Windows 98? That's probably one of the worst OS's for stability that
I've
> > ever used. BTW...come join the rest of us in the 21st Century.
>
> You mean those of you who need Micro$oft's permission to wipe your nose?
>

You can run linux if you don't want to pay for an operating system that is 6
years newer.

> You know, you're behaving like an absolute jerk about this.

Maybe you should write a fantasy story about how this should have went down.

Not
> everybody uses your personal choice of operating system, not everybody
> uses your personal choice of security software, & not everybody even has
> the time to educate themselves in computer technology sufficiently to
> _know_ about your choice of software.

He didn't have to know what I am running. But to make a ridiculous
statement that he guaranteed that his computer running Windows 98 and Norton
Internet Security was guaranteed to be more secure than someone else's
system without even knowing what he was running invites ridicule.

>Furthermore, your own security isn't perfect. I guarantee it.

Wow, that's amazing since NO computer hooked to the internet is 100% secure.
There is always someone who could hack in. What a guarantee...

> So stop being so damned rude about it.

No, fuck off. That is all.

[Sinfire]

Not to take sides, but Zone Alarm pro is not a firewall.

[Mario R]

Well stated and what a poor advertizement these guys are for Calgarypuck.
com. Personally I would rather post on newsgroups where I can download and
read posts quickly with no waste of bandwidth or time waiting for all the
graphics and popups to load. Those websites with the countless graphics and
pop ups, and avatars etc etc. have little to do with communication and
everything to do with ADHD. If the lack of visual stimuli around here keeps
some people away I am glad.
--
Minnesota was Jacques Lemaire and 25 players who got drunk on
his Kool-Aid

Jay Random <jra...@bondwine.com> wrote in message

news:3f76f352$1...@news.nucleus.com...

[Buff]

Sinfire wrote:
> Not to take sides, but Zone Alarm pro is not a firewall.

Oh? What is it then?

[Buff]

Sinfire wrote:
> Not to take sides, but Zone Alarm pro is not a firewall.

Why does it say it is then?

http://www.zonelabs.com/store/application;jsessionid=15dN6yXTC5kGuOV5UYLtIkRFNdHM3bNgP1VEipvz9pEwCthpIrY5!1822958594!-1062696904!7551!7552!-1099138206!-1062696905!7551!7552?namespace=zls_main&origin=global.jsp&event=link.catalogHome&&zl_catalog_view_id=201&lid=nav_ho

Since, I'm too lazy to do the make a shorter link thing this is what is
said at that link above:

"ZoneAlarm Pro is the award-winning PC firewall that keeps your personal
data and privacy safe from Internet hackers and data thieves. Shield
your system with our proven, award-winning personal firewall. Keep
hackers at bay with protection against worms, Trojans, spyware, and 47
types of malicious email attachments. ZoneAlarm Pro includes Cookie
Control and Ad Blocking for a faster, safer Internet experience."

Are you thinking of firewall in the hardware sense? You do realize that
there are software firewalls too don't you?

[hmmm]

oh well, aren't you a Greasers fan, anyhow?

we don't want you at calgarypuck..

"Mario R" <mar...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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[hmmm]

"Mario R" <mar...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Well stated and what a poor advertizement these guys are for Calgarypuck.
> com. Personally I would rather post on newsgroups where I can download and
> read posts quickly

you on dial-up? lol

[Sinfire]

Yes, I did some research onzonealarm, and it is a software based
firewall solution. I was thinking more along the lines of a hardware
based firewall

But since it is software based, what distinguishes it from being a
form of spyware ?

The biggest issues is that it tracks everything you do, has the
possiblity of containing back doors that the average consumer is
unaware of, and ultimately slows down the performance of your pc.

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 06:08:26 GMT, Buff <if.you....@sk.for.it>
wrote:

[Lemieux]

ZoneAlarm and Norton decided to package their software based firewall WITH an ad-blocking technology.
Technically speaking, a firewall do NOT block ads.
That's not what a firewall supposed to do.
Many software and hardware based firewalls out there still do NOT block ads.
Just because some firewalls stop ads do not mean all firewalls block ads.
Ad-blocking was never a concern, especially when firewalls are first designed.
It is only in recent years when ads start to become more and more intrusive,
ad-blocking technology started to blossom because there is a market for it.
You are the one who need some serious computer traning courses before you tell others.

Since firewalls are already scanning all data being sent in and pass out.
Throwing in a little bit of extra work of it to scan for ads isn't that much of a hard work.
That's why you see software based firewall such as ZoneAlarm comes with ad-blocking technology.

Of course, all software based firewall is a huge bruden to your CPU and RAM.
Think of a program constantly feeding bits to your CPU to process and
think of a program constantly storing data, erasing data, residing in your RAM in order to stay active.

--
R.I.A.A.
Ripping Individuals And Advancements
-- Lemieux

"The problem is that the RIAA has the kind of money that,
whether you're right or wrong, you're out of business.
It's not whether you win or lose, but whether you survive the litigation."
-- Lance Cottrell, founder and president of Anonymizer.com

"It is time for the RIAA to be held accountable for years of manipulating an
entire industry in order to stifle the growth of independent music and control
Internet content and distribution channels."
-- Ann Gabriel, president of the Webcaster Alliance

"Jason Hebert"

[Lemieux]

Since when can pop-ups be stop by "learn how to setup up your internet explorer security settings properly."
IE is not built to stop any kind of pop-ups.
You are an idiot.
Stop telling other what to do regarding a technology which you have close to zero knowledge.

--
R.I.A.A.
Ripping Individuals And Advancements
-- Lemieux

"The problem is that the RIAA has the kind of money that,
whether you're right or wrong, you're out of business.
It's not whether you win or lose, but whether you survive the litigation."
-- Lance Cottrell, founder and president of Anonymizer.com

"It is time for the RIAA to be held accountable for years of manipulating an
entire industry in order to stifle the growth of independent music and control
Internet content and distribution channels."
-- Ann Gabriel, president of the Webcaster Alliance

"hmmm"

[Lemieux]

Explain, in clear and understandable computer terms.
How insecure is "norton firewall and run win98".
Specifically, how they operate and what they do that make system insecure.

And get some language lessons along with your computer lessons.
Nowhere in my posts have I said my system is secured.
I was just merely stating a fact that I utilitize an ad-blocking technology (as you have been promoting people to do so hard) on a very common used OS and how inconvinent is it to use an ad-blocking technology.

--
R.I.A.A.
Ripping Individuals And Advancements
-- Lemieux

"The problem is that the RIAA has the kind of money that,
whether you're right or wrong, you're out of business.
It's not whether you win or lose, but whether you survive the litigation."
-- Lance Cottrell, founder and president of Anonymizer.com

"It is time for the RIAA to be held accountable for years of manipulating an
entire industry in order to stifle the growth of independent music and control
Internet content and distribution channels."
-- Ann Gabriel, president of the Webcaster Alliance

"hmmm"

[Lemieux]

All the power to you if you are not running Windows and not using OE when reading this message.
I know what I am doing and know what I am running on my computer.

Nowhere in my post did I say I have a more secure system by running Windows98 and NIS.
I was merely telling the computer idiot that I am utilitizing an ad-blocking technology on a commonly used OS, which is what the computer idiot trying to promote so hard.

Speak to youself, "fuck off".
Nice trying to point the topic into a different direction.
It was originally about Calgarypuck.com and how its ads make people sick,
which can still be justified as a Flames' related topic since Calgarypuck.com is a site about Flames.
It is not about how bad MS's products are.
And by the way, not a single piece of software retailing out there right now do not contain bugs.

--
R.I.A.A.
Ripping Individuals And Advancements
-- Lemieux

"The problem is that the RIAA has the kind of money that,
whether you're right or wrong, you're out of business.
It's not whether you win or lose, but whether you survive the litigation."
-- Lance Cottrell, founder and president of Anonymizer.com

"It is time for the RIAA to be held accountable for years of manipulating an
entire industry in order to stifle the growth of independent music and control
Internet content and distribution channels."
-- Ann Gabriel, president of the Webcaster Alliance

"Jason Hebert" <jason.-no-...@shaw.ca> 在郵件 news:pRPdb.40318$I36.36045@pd7tw3no 中撰寫...

[Lemieux]

Nice, block all your cookies with your firewalls and ENJOY browsing.

--
R.I.A.A.
Ripping Individuals And Advancements
-- Lemieux

"The problem is that the RIAA has the kind of money that,
whether you're right or wrong, you're out of business.
It's not whether you win or lose, but whether you survive the litigation."
-- Lance Cottrell, founder and president of Anonymizer.com

"It is time for the RIAA to be held accountable for years of manipulating an
entire industry in order to stifle the growth of independent music and control
Internet content and distribution channels."
-- Ann Gabriel, president of the Webcaster Alliance

"Jason Hebert"
> So, get a firewall...

> "Lemieux"

[hmmm]

"Lemieux" <lemieux_kamiu@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> You are an idiot.

Says the moron who thinks windows 98 is a perfectly secure OS.

> Stop telling other what to do regarding a technology which you have close
to zero knowledge.

Obviously my knowledge is greater than yours as I don't have any pop-up,
spyware or security issues. I can Securely browse legitimate sites such as
Calgarypuck.com without any annoying ads.

[Mario R]

Do you really require 2 seperate posts in 2 minutes to say essentially
nothing in response to one of my posts or are you just trying to prove my
point about ADHD.
No, I'm not on dial up
Yes, I am an Oilfan.
Intreresting that you say "we dont want you at Calgarypuck" when it is quite
clear from this entire thread that even though you are a Calgary fan nobody
wants you here!

--
Minnesota was Jacques Lemaire and 25 players who got drunk on
his Kool-Aid

hmmm <flam...@NOSPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message
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[hmmm]

"Mario R" <mar...@shaw.ca> wrote in message

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> Do you really require 2 seperate posts in 2 minutes to say essentially
> nothing in response to one of my posts or are you just trying to prove my
> point about ADHD.
> No, I'm not on dial up
> Yes, I am an Oilfan.
> Intreresting that you say "we dont want you at Calgarypuck" when it is
quite
> clear from this entire thread that even though you are a Calgary fan
nobody
> wants you here!

A few people were spouting off ignorant shit, and I pointed it out. Tends to
irritate people when their flaws are made apparent!

[Jason Hebert]

"Sinfire" <sin...@nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message

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> Yes, I did some research onzonealarm, and it is a software based
> firewall solution. I was thinking more along the lines of a hardware
> based firewall
>
> But since it is software based, what distinguishes it from being a
> form of spyware?

(Begin playing X-Files theme music)

[Jason Hebert]

"Lemieux" <lemieux_kamiu@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> ZoneAlarm and Norton decided to package their software based firewall WITH
an ad-blocking technology.
> Technically speaking, a firewall do NOT block ads.
> That's not what a firewall supposed to do.
> Many software and hardware based firewalls out there still do NOT block
ads.
> Just because some firewalls stop ads do not mean all firewalls block ads.
> Ad-blocking was never a concern, especially when firewalls are first
designed.
> It is only in recent years when ads start to become more and more
intrusive,
> ad-blocking technology started to blossom because there is a market for
it.
> You are the one who need some serious computer traning courses before you
tell others.

Before I tell others what? That software based firewalls are not
categorically excluded from ad blocking?

>
> Since firewalls are already scanning all data being sent in and pass out.
> Throwing in a little bit of extra work of it to scan for ads isn't that
much of a hard work.
> That's why you see software based firewall such as ZoneAlarm comes with
ad-blocking technology.
>
> Of course, all software based firewall is a huge bruden to your CPU and
RAM.

A huge burden? If it's a huge burden to your CPU and RAM then you should
seriously consider some upgrades... RAM and CPU's are cheap now. It is
neither hard nor expensive to insure that you have enough power for your
computer.

[Lemieux]

"hmmm"

> Says the moron who thinks windows 98 is a perfectly secure OS.

Says the idiot who has to made up false claim on other.
Says the idiot who try to promote calgarypuck.com but has accomplished the exact opposite.

Re-read the message by the moron who the idiot thinks is a moron.
---Quoting myself---

And before you start flaming again, I have Norton Internet Security installed,

which is a software based firewall for my Win98.
It can potentially blocks all ads and pop-whatever provided you have given the appropriate information to it.
Is it convinent? No.
One reason I personally am offended by pop-whatever is that, most of them are java script based.
Most ad-blocking technology simply turn off java script pop up in order to block these pop-whatever.
Problem is that, this will cause a lot of legitimate site with legitimate information poping blocked too.

---End quote---

> Obviously my knowledge is greater than yours as I don't have any pop-up,
> spyware or security issues. I can Securely browse legitimate sites such as
> Calgarypuck.com without any annoying ads.

Congulation.
You should be consider the top living animal in this planet.
You have just solved a problem many countries and many companies which all haven't been able to solve.

I guess I am really a moron arguring with an idiot like you.
An idiot who's English is even worse than me and have next to nothing knowledge about computer.
What a moron I am.

[hmmm]

"Lemieux" <lemieux_kamiu@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> Says the idiot who has to made up false claim on other.

Who has to made up false claim on other? LMAO what language are you
speaking?

>
> Congulation.
> You should be consider the top living animal in this planet.

LOL Congulation? and it should be "considered"

> You have just solved a problem many countries and many companies which all
haven't been able to solve.
>

> I guess I am really a moron

At least you admit it - I admire your courage!

[hmmm]

"Lemieux" <lemieux_kamiu@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> ZoneAlarm and Norton decided to package their software based firewall WITH
an ad-blocking technology.
> Technically speaking, a firewall do NOT block ads.

Wow, that's technical!

> That's not what a firewall supposed to do.

here we go with that "caveman" english of yours...

> Many software and hardware based firewalls out there still do NOT block
ads.
> Just because some firewalls stop ads do not mean all firewalls block ads.
> Ad-blocking was never a concern, especially when firewalls are first
designed.
> It is only in recent years when ads start to become more and more
intrusive,
> ad-blocking technology started to blossom because there is a market for
it.

> You are the one who need some serious computer traning courses before you
tell others.

No, you need the "traning" courses.. LMAO

>
> Since firewalls are already scanning all data being sent in and pass out.

Should be "data being sent in and PASSED out" not pass out.

> Throwing in a little bit of extra work of it to scan for ads isn't that
much of a hard work.

LOL

[hmmm]

"Lemieux" <lemieux_kamiu@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> Since when can pop-ups be stop by "learn how to setup up your internet
explorer security settings properly."

Should be "STOPPED by" not "STOP by".

> IE is not built to stop any kind of pop-ups.
> You are an idiot.

LOL You don't even understand the english language, and you have the balls
to call someone an Idiot?

[DeeLow]

What a stupid thread.
I don't know about the Spyware ect...I know I get 1 ad when I go to the site
and the odd pop up. It certainly doesn't bother me enough to take a moral
stand against the site. Those dudes put in a lot of work for very little
return. A few pop up ads is a small price to pay for the indepth info that
I've gained there...but that's just my opinion.
No matter what way you look at it this NG cannot be compared with CP in
terms of content.

"hmmm" <flam...@NOSPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message

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> Hey, you guys should just come to Calgarypuck....this group is dead.
>
>

[Doug Norris]

"hmmm" <flam...@NOSPAMshaw.ca> writes:

>LOL You don't even understand the english language, and you have the balls
>to call someone an Idiot?

There are lots of smart people that don't speak English. Did you ever
think of the possibility that the person you're arguing with isn't a native
speaker? In that case, I'd wager that his English is better than your
(French/German/Chinese/whatever).

Doug

[hmmm]

I know he isn't a native speaker. English is the easiest language to learn;
whats his excuse?
The fool opened up a big can of worms when he accused me of poor language
skills.

"Doug Norris" <norr...@rintintin.colorado.edu> wrote in message
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[Jay Random]

hmmm wrote:
> I know he isn't a native speaker. English is the easiest language to learn;

English is one of the most difficult languages in the world. The grammar
is comparatively simple in theory, but riddled with exceptions &
irregular formations. The vocabulary is stupefyingly large & complex.
The system of spelling defies comprehension.

> whats his excuse?
> The fool opened up a big can of worms when he accused me of poor language
> skills.

'Lemieux' may have a poor command of the English language, but you have
an even poorer command of logic & rhetoric. Your English is put together
correctly, but the result rarely makes any sense.

[hmmm]

"Jay Random" <jra...@bondwine.com> wrote in message

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but you have
> an even poorer command of logic & rhetoric. Your English is put together
> correctly, but the result rarely makes any sense.
>

Bullshit.. You need to come back to Reality, your delusional, comic-book
fantasy world is challenging your sense of whats real!

Run along, Star Trek is on!

[Kevin L. Hogg]

well I am sick of this bullshit PLONK

"hmmm" <flam...@NOSPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message

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[Jay Random]

There you go: a perfect example. The sentence is grammatical, but utter
nonsense nevertheless. You have no grounds for calling me 'delusional',
or talking about a 'fantasy world' in connexion with me. As for
'comic-book', I fail to see how that's even relevant. Even as a child I
never liked comic books, & it would not be a great exaggeration to say
that I loathe them. I certainly never read them.

> Run along, Star Trek is on!

Which I don't watch & haven't since I was a kid.

Look, I have a lot of faults. There are probably hundreds of valid
insults you could throw at me, if you only bothered to find out what
they are. But you won't make the effort. Instead, you spout off without
knowing even the most basic facts on the subject -- which seems to me to
be typical of the way you argue.

It's possible that you are not a complete fathead, but appearances are
decidedly against you.

[Buff]

hmmm wrote:
> I know he isn't a native speaker. English is the easiest language to learn;
> whats his excuse?
> The fool opened up a big can of worms when he accused me of poor language
> skills.
>

Actually, English is the hardest language to learn. Just becuase it is
the most "universal" language doesn't mean that it is the easiest to learn

[Buff]

hmmm wrote:

Yes please run along, go back to your website and quite polluting this
NG. I think you're just here to cause problems and bring this NG down so
more people will go to calgarypuck.com. Guess what chuckles, its
backfiring. You are giving calgarypuck a bad name. Do they know what you
are doing?

[hmmm]

Hey buff... *NEWSFLASH* This group was already pure shit. All the good
posters moved over to Calgarypuck last season!

All I did was suggest a good site for Flames Fans. Do you really blame me
for flaming these guys over their spyware ignorance?

This thread is now closed, piss off.

"Buff" <if.you....@sk.for.it> wrote in message
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[Buff]

hmmm wrote:

> Hey buff... *NEWSFLASH* This group was already pure shit. All the good
> posters moved over to Calgarypuck last season!
>
> All I did was suggest a good site for Flames Fans. Do you really blame me
> for flaming these guys over their spyware ignorance?
>
> This thread is now closed, piss off.
>

If all the good posters are gone, then why are you still here? I guess
that means you are pure shit. You just admitted it. Now you piss off you
don't even belong here.

[Doug Norris]

"hmmm" <flam...@NOSPAMshaw.ca> writes:

>English is the easiest language to learn;

My apologies. I didn't know that you were an asshole.

Doug