I'm curious to find out what fans from both sides of the fence think. I
haven't given much thought to this trade since I just heard it a couple
of minutes ago, but here are some preliminary reactions:
1. Wow, what a line a Neely-Oates-Stevens line would be! I guess Mats
Naslund would be pushed down to the second line with Shawn McEachern or
Ted Donato at center.
2. Smolinski would be a hard-hitting third line center who doesn't take
too many penalty minutes. Although I would have loved to see Richard
Park playing center at this line next year, Bryan is a proven player. He
will certainly add depth to the Pens offense, especially when Super
Mario isn't playing. Hmm... I'm wondering what a Smolinski-Sandstrom
line would do.
3. Who's going to protect Mario when he plays? Moreover, aside from Luc,
who's going to play left wing for the Pens? Is it me, or is Jim McKenzie
and Jeff Christian the only left wingers the Pens have if the trade goes
through? The Pens could be in trouble here.
4. I like McEachern, but his production seemed to have gone down last
year (26 pts. in 44 games). I figure he would be a bargaining chip.
5. What do Bruins fan think of Murray? I've seen only a few games with
him playing, but can't remember much other than his +/- rating being
around -10 this past season.
6. The Pens should have get some D already!
Off the top of my head,
ed
This was a rumor several years ago, back when Stevens was still the best
power forward in the NHL (which I think he can still be.) It never happened,
though. Craig wasn't that stupid.
>3. Who's going to protect Mario when he plays? Moreover, aside from Luc,
>who's going to play left wing for the Pens? Is it me, or is Jim McKenzie
>and Jeff Christian the only left wingers the Pens have if the trade goes
>through? The Pens could be in trouble here.
Nobody. This trade would be the stupidest move Craig has made yet (and he's
made some stupid ones.) Stevens is one of the best goal scorers in the NHL
(yes, despite having two bad seasons, I still say this, and especially with
Mario back), and he's also intimidating physically when he chooses to play
that way. By trading him, we're losing a player who would likely have another
50 goal/100 point season on Mario's line, and someone who could help protect
Mario, for a third line center that we don't really need (how many centers
are in the Pens' system now?!?!) and a defenseman that's not any better than
what we have now. If we got Iafrate for him, it might start to make a little
more sense (and Boston ought to be able to afford to lose him, with Bourque
on their team).
--
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ma...@sumac.digex.net o Think for yourself, and feel the walls...
Let's Go Pens! o become sand beneath your feet. -Queensryche
The trade is sickeing. I hope it does not go through. Kevin
Stevens is one of the pens's best players. That line of
Stevens Francis and Jagr was unstoppable. I think that EJ
should consider this before making a mistake. Think about it,
since Mario is coming back, do not break up the most successful
line in hockey last season. Now you can have TWO number
one lines.
Robitaille Lemieux Sandstrom
Stevens Francis Jagr
There is no point in breaking up the second line. And it is
obvious that in Los Angeles, Robitaille and Sandstrom made
up the first line with Gretzky. Hey, If you cannot have
Gretzky at centre, put the second best playmaker in the game
there, Lenieux.
Its obvious that Luc and Tomas' production has gone down since
they were moved away from Gretzky. Maybe what they need
is another superstar at centre to kick start them up again.
Lemieux is the man to do it. But it will screw everything up
if Stevens is traded. You are right, the pens should be
trying for Defence rigth now.
>As most of you know by now, the Pens are in the process of trading Kevin
>Stevens (and maybe Shawn McEachern) for Boston's Bryan Smolinski and
>Glen Murray.
>I'm curious to find out what fans from both sides of the fence think.
Sure I would love to give you mi insight. :)
>1. Wow, what a line a Neely-Oates-Stevens line would be!
Yup. Sure would be formidable. But as New Jersey has shown this past
year, you need to have more than one big line.
>I guess Mats Naslund would be pushed down to the second line with Shawn
>McEachern or Ted Donato at center.
Well Mats still has not said wheather he will return or not.
>2. Smolinski would be a hard-hitting third line center who doesn't take
>too many penalty minutes. Although I would have loved to see Richard
>Park playing center at this line next year, Bryan is a proven player. He
>will certainly add depth to the Pens offense, especially when Super
>Mario isn't playing. Hmm... I'm wondering what a Smolinski-Sandstrom
>line would do.
I think Brian Smolinski has been (Just slightly) over rated in the crash
department. But you are right, He does not take too many stupid penalties.
>3. Who's going to protect Mario when he plays? Moreover, aside from Luc,
>who's going to play left wing for the Pens? Is it me, or is Jim McKenzie
>and Jeff Christian the only left wingers the Pens have if the trade goes
>through? The Pens could be in trouble here.
Have not followed the Pens off season so I can not answer this question.
>4. I like McEachern, but his production seemed to have gone down last
>year (26 pts. in 44 games). I figure he would be a bargaining chip.
I think last year had some weird chemistry in the NHL, as witnessed by
the Devils Stanley Cup Win. :) :) :)
>5. What do Bruins fan think of Murray? I've seen only a few games with
>him playing, but can't remember much other than his +/- rating being
>around -10 this past season.
He is terrible.
I'll give you my honest assesment. I have season tix, and attend training camp
every year, I can tell you he is a waste of a roster spot. He has had chance
after chance to produce, and has not. He hardly ever hits. He is not a sniper.
And he is by no way an enforcer, or instigator. Former assistant coach Tom
McVie has been quoted in the Boston papers as saying that they always wonder
which Glenn Murray will show up. Maybe a change of scenery would do him some
good. Harry is trying to pull off a Public Relations Coup up here by getting a
couple of local college heros back.
BTW last year they tried to send him to Providence, and he refused to go.
>6. The Pens should have get some D already!
That's why I am suprised that one of the B's defenseman prospects is not being
discussed. John Rohloff (Other than the Blooper in the Playoffs) has shown
some real promise.
>Off the top of my head,
Me too.
>ed
Chuck
mcgi...@ll.mit.edu
Here in St.Louis we are hearing similar versions of this trade but with one
big exception.....Smolinski would then be traded by Pitt to Stl for Al
McInnis. (pure rumor though.)
Jim Hensley
Icebugh
|> >3. Who's going to protect Mario when he plays? Moreover, aside from Luc,
|> >who's going to play left wing for the Pens? Is it me, or is Jim McKenzie
|> >and Jeff Christian the only left wingers the Pens have if the trade goes
|> >through? The Pens could be in trouble here.
|>
|> Nobody. This trade would be the stupidest move Craig has made yet (and he's
|> made some stupid ones.) Stevens is one of the best goal scorers in the NHL
|> (yes, despite having two bad seasons, I still say this, and especially with
|> Mario back), and he's also intimidating physically when he chooses to play
|> that way. By trading him, we're losing a player who would likely have another
|> 50 goal/100 point season on Mario's line, and someone who could help protect
|> Mario, for a third line center that we don't really need (how many centers
|> are in the Pens' system now?!?!) and a defenseman that's not any better than
|> what we have now. If we got Iafrate for him, it might start to make a little
|> more sense (and Boston ought to be able to afford to lose him, with Bourque
|> on their team).
Stevens has never recovered his 50-goal form since the face injury. He is
no longer a physical force and instead is whining to the ref all the time.
Smolinski is better than a 3rd line center. He's a good combination of
skill and size and will give the Pens some depth down the middle in case
mario has to sit out some games. Looking to the future, Mario and Francis
can't be around for too many more years and Smolinski should be able to come
in and pick up some of the slack. Wait until Boston realizes they got a
whiny crybaby in Stevens instead of a power forward. I don't really like
dealing McEachern though. He's still kind of young and has the ability to
get back to his rookie season form.
Michael
* Michael Novean : Virginia Polytechnic Institute *
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: Michael
--
I agree with alot you've said Michael. Didn't Smolinski spend
part of this season at LW? How about these Pen Combos:
Robitaille-Lemieux-Naslund
Murray-Francis-Jagr
Smolinski-Park-Sandstrom
I have no idea who'll be on the 3rd line- Mullen's gone, so is
Murray, McKenzie, everyone hates Cullen, and Barrie was signed to
a termination deal so they might buy him out and make him go
away. Will Wells or Pittis make the jump? An Iafrate throw-in
could be possible if Patrick promise to Pick up half of Stevens' contract.
"Going through life is like driving on a crowded street,
don't worry about what you missed, just clean off what
you hit, and make sure you repair any dents left behind"
and another thing....
JAGR and Mario belong on the same bloddy LINE!!!
and one more thing:
Bring back Troy Loney!!!! (or is he destined to become stay a NY Fisherman er um Islander)
Tim was with Ducks but they released him last April & he fin. season in Prov.
playing for our Steve Kasper - lead AHL scorers in playoffs - he did.
He is also resigned by Bruins as far as I know. Expect him to get a good
shot with Big Bad Bruins this year.
>
>jc...@jax.jaxnet.com
Wait. I thought that the Blues were trying to win? Don;t you
think it would be a good idea for them to keep macinnis until
they take their shot? He is one of the best and they do not
need Stevens that badly so as to trade Macinnis IMO.
Well, I agree that the Penguins need a defenseman for Stevens, but let's face
it, Stevens has been a lazy, non-backcheckin, non-forecheckin, non-bodychecking
pussy for the last 2 years. He's redeamed himself somewhat by having 40+ goal
seasons, (if you extrapolate this year's stats), but we already have a harder
playing left winger in Luc Robitaille (hard to believe, but true). The player
that protected Mario was Stevens to a limited extent, but really was Rick
Tocchet, who may or may not ever get over his injuries. I STILL think that the
Penguins need to get a Paul Kruse, a Darren McCarty, a Matthew Barnaby, to
skate on Marios line and take care of business, Stevens never would have
anyway.
--------------------------------
Toki Barron
GM/Coach Hornets (ISHHL version)
http://www.pitt.edu/~thbst8
Smolinski will help the Pens also. As we know, Lemieux will only play
part-time (provided he can). Ron "Can He Pull Yet Another Great Season
Out of His Hat" Francis has played, what, 15 years now.
I think Hartford is REALLY helping themselves. If healthy, Shanahan could
take LOTS of pressure off Sanderson and Cassels. They can still use help
on D.
Tom
the deal is for smolinski and murray. no mention of iafrate.
> we will pull off the biggest steal since Recchi
> for DeJardins,
> Leclair and Dionne.
>
> and another thing....
>
> JAGR and Mario belong on the same bloddy LINE!!!
there's not enough puck to go around for these 2 on the same shift.
maybe this would have worked when jags was still learning the trade, but
he's a superstar in his own right now, and far too similar a player to
Mario in terms of carrying the puck for them to work well together.
derek
>
Really? And just who will play on the second line? No, Jagr
and Lemieux do not belong on the same line. They both are
playmakers and they both need the puck. How can you have
two players that both need the puck to maket he play on the
same line. They tried it in the allstar game 3 years ago and
Lemieux and Jagr were crap together.
>As most of you know by now, the Pens are in the process of trading Kevin
>Stevens (and maybe Shawn McEachern) for Boston's Bryan Smolinski and
>Glen Murray. Looks like it might be finalized this evening once Stevens
>contract is settled; Boston wants the Pens to pick up part of his $3M
>salary. After all these years, Stevens is finally going to be traded.
>I'm curious to find out what fans from both sides of the fence think. I
>haven't given much thought to this trade since I just heard it a couple
>of minutes ago, but here are some preliminary reactions:
>1. Wow, what a line a Neely-Oates-Stevens line would be! I guess Mats
>Naslund would be pushed down to the second line with Shawn McEachern or
>Ted Donato at center.
>2. Smolinski would be a hard-hitting third line center who doesn't take
>too many penalty minutes. Although I would have loved to see Richard
>Park playing center at this line next year, Bryan is a proven player. He
>will certainly add depth to the Pens offense, especially when Super
>Mario isn't playing. Hmm... I'm wondering what a Smolinski-Sandstrom
>line would do.
>3. Who's going to protect Mario when he plays? Moreover, aside from Luc,
>who's going to play left wing for the Pens? Is it me, or is Jim McKenzie
>and Jeff Christian the only left wingers the Pens have if the trade goes
>through? The Pens could be in trouble here.
>4. I like McEachern, but his production seemed to have gone down last
>year (26 pts. in 44 games). I figure he would be a bargaining chip.
>5. What do Bruins fan think of Murray? I've seen only a few games with
>him playing, but can't remember much other than his +/- rating being
>around -10 this past season.
>6. The Pens should have get some D already!
>Off the top of my head,
>ed
Murray is a enigma, he needs to get tough. He was expenable when Kevin
Adams graduated from college. He could be a decent foward. I hate to
lose Smolinki (sp) he was a young promising player who was the only
loss. Getting two massachusetts natives was a smart move by O'Connel and
Sinden. Harry finally made a trade that will help this team.
abg
i don't know if i like this deal or not, but this point is way out
there. i think just about everybody connected with the penguins in any
way has said at least once since the playoffs that, Mario or no Mario,
center is THE weakest spot on the team. think about it...last year they
had Saint Ron and nobody else, so now they have Mario, St. Ron, and
nobody. St. Ron ain't getting any younger, and Mario is still a HUGE
question mark, so the "third line" center on this team is crucial. on
any given night, he could be playing second or even first line. richard
park might be a good player in a year or 2, but smolenski is a "rising
star" (quoted from clarinet), who brings a proven player to the
position. like i said, i don't know if i like the deal or not, and i
think we could at least try to get more for stevens, but we DEFINITELY
need centers.
besides, it ain't like kevin has been having monster seasons lately, he
was one of the guys who REALLY disappeared in the playoffs (as opposed
to the ones who just disappeared) and his checking and defense have been
junk since the Hit; i still think he's a fine player, but his trade
value is pretty low.
oh, and rusty fitzgerald can play all 3 forward positions. i've heard
patrick liken him to a young St. Ron, so i guess they're looking at him
to play center eventually, but for now, he'll be on left wing.
derek
why is everbody forgetting rusty?
> An Iafrate throw-in
> could be possible if Patrick promise to Pick up half of Stevens'
> contract.
highly unlikely. let's face it, part of this deal is to cut costs, so
why would we pay half of stevens' contract AND iafrate's salary?
derek
> Since Pittsburgh is in need of defense (supposedly) why not give
them
> Al "wild thing" Iafrate and 1 or 2 of those Hartford picks plus Murray
or
> Tim Sweeney for Stevens and McEachern.
I wouldn't take Iafrate if you wanted nothing in return...
Buy a clue. They're cheap nowadays, I hear.
>and another thing....
>
>JAGR and Mario belong on the same bloddy LINE!!!
Well, if the statement about Stevens above didn't already prove your complete
and utter lack of any understanding of what you're talking about, this most
certainly does. If you're going to put Mario and Jagr on the same line, you'd
better put two pucks out on the ice.
>As most of you know by now, the Pens are in the process of trading Kevin
>Stevens (and maybe Shawn McEachern) for Boston's Bryan Smolinski and
>Glen Murray. Looks like it might be finalized this evening once Stevens
>contract is settled; Boston wants the Pens to pick up part of his $3M
>salary. After all these years, Stevens is finally going to be traded.
>I'm curious to find out what fans from both sides of the fence think.
It's official now, I guess. Most of the B's fans I know are in favor of
the deal, as am I.
>2. Smolinski would be a hard-hitting third line center who doesn't take
>too many penalty minutes. Although I would have loved to see Richard
>Park playing center at this line next year, Bryan is a proven player. He
>will certainly add depth to the Pens offense, especially when Super
>Mario isn't playing. Hmm... I'm wondering what a Smolinski-Sandstrom
>line would do.
A lot of us are a lot more upset about losing Smolinski than Glenn
Murray. Murray first came up at the very end of two seasons ago, and he
looked to have real touch around the net. Nice hands. Good size. I
thought he couldn't miss. He was a no-show for a lot of last season,
though. Stiffed out, maybe? Hard to tell. I think he was trying to be
Cam Jr, tossing his shoulder into everyone and he just ended up falling
behind plays. And he must not have liked taking abuse in the slot, cause
he really seemed to have scoring potential at one point--but he seemed to
miss the net from close in a lot, then he lost confidence and started
taking lotsa low-percentage shots from outside. He may come around. I
doubt it, though.
Smoke will be missed. He had a mean streak and a great shot from
outside. I guess Ted Donato or Steve Heinze or a banged-up Iafrate wasn't
gonna cut it as a deal-sweetener. If you look at it as Murray for
McEachern and Stevens for Smolinski, the B's almost definitely come out
ahead on the first count. Time will only tell on the second.
>6. The Pens should have get some D already!
Kevin "I never met a camera I didn't like" Dupont of the Boston Globe
wrote that the Pens were dumping Stevens' salary so they could sign
Ulfie "I never met a cheap shot I didn't like" Samuelsson. Hey, it's your
money. I don't know anyone from Pittsburgh but I'd rather see Kevin pop
in 25 or 30 goals a year than Ulfie sitting in the sin bin for that great
(but illegal) slash across the hands. You want D? You got it, dudes. Have
another Iron City and hope that Mario and Jaromir show up this year.
"Well, Fred, the keys to tonight's game are offense, defense,
goaltending, and special teams, and if the Bruins can put the puck in the
net more times than the other guys they'll probably win this one." -Turk
: >1. Wow, what a line a Neely-Oates-Stevens line would be!
: Yup. Sure would be formidable. But as New Jersey has shown this past
: year, you need to have more than one big line.
Do you folks honestly think that the Bruins will keep Neely?
Adding another multi-million salary to the payroll means that Sinden is
probably going to dump somebody and it will probably be Cam. I hope it
doesn't happen, but I have a bad feeling about it.
Mark in Montreal
Yes, Neely wil be re-signed it was part of Stevens' contract, in a matter
of speaking. Stevens insisted that for him to come to Boston Neely must
be re-signed, now it's only a matter of time.
--
Stan Wendt | "Teacher stands in front of the class, but the
Faculty of Commerce | lesson plan he can't recall. The student's
Concordia University | eyes don't perceive the lies, bouncing off every
Montreal, Quebec | fuckin' wall!" -Rage Against The Machine
Harry has stated on local TV the Cam Neely and Ray Bourque are not tradable
commodities. Harry is a cheap penny pinching tight wad, but he learned from his
Orr mistakes. He knows who fills the seats.
If you do not believe me, just take a look at the autograph lines at the
wives charity carnival. The lines for Neely's autograph were closed off 1&1/2
hours before the end of the event because of its size. No one was really
interested in anything except for Neely, Borque, and Orr.
And some mild intrest in Lacher.
Chuck
mcgi...@ll.mit.edu
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>Mark in Montreal
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