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Airyx
May 8, 2013, 11:23:08 AM5/8/13
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I have seen a lot of buzz in the media about how D.C.s are coming up with ways to stop the Read-Option offense.
This is silly.
The read-option is a play, not an offense, and its a play that the 'skins don't run all that often. This is an approximate breakdown of the 'skins percentage of play types.
Runs
- About 55% zone-stretch (Shanahan's bread and butter)
- About 35% read-option (Mostly from Oregon's, not Baylor's playbook)
- About 10% point-of-attack (From Gibbs, leading FB, trap blocking)
Passes
- About 55% play-action
-about 50% of PA off zone-stretch (usually using an Air-Coryell design)
-about 50% of PA off read-option (more taken from Oregon)
- About 40% quick-read WCO (Bill Walsh, 3-step-drop, long hand-off type passes)
- About 5% straight-up Air Coryell (5-step, turn the safety, deep)
Its a very diverse offense. I find it funny that the media keeps calling the 'skins, 49ers, Seahawks, and Panthers read-option offenses. If you had to pick, I'd still call it a zone-stretch / WCO offense.
This is silly.
The read-option is a play, not an offense, and its a play that the 'skins don't run all that often. This is an approximate breakdown of the 'skins percentage of play types.
Runs
- About 55% zone-stretch (Shanahan's bread and butter)
- About 35% read-option (Mostly from Oregon's, not Baylor's playbook)
- About 10% point-of-attack (From Gibbs, leading FB, trap blocking)
Passes
- About 55% play-action
-about 50% of PA off zone-stretch (usually using an Air-Coryell design)
-about 50% of PA off read-option (more taken from Oregon)
- About 40% quick-read WCO (Bill Walsh, 3-step-drop, long hand-off type passes)
- About 5% straight-up Air Coryell (5-step, turn the safety, deep)
Its a very diverse offense. I find it funny that the media keeps calling the 'skins, 49ers, Seahawks, and Panthers read-option offenses. If you had to pick, I'd still call it a zone-stretch / WCO offense.
sbsde...@gmail.com
May 8, 2013, 12:29:20 PM5/8/13
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Great analysis! But based on those numbers, if I'm calculating correctly, total read option run and pass plays would account for about 45% of all plays, which is still a very large chunk.
Valjean
May 10, 2013, 1:07:02 AM5/10/13
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Airyx
May 10, 2013, 10:19:56 AM5/10/13
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On Friday, May 10, 2013 12:07:02 AM UTC-5, Valjean wrote:
> But I'd call it what most produces its outcome, won't you...
Yes, I did.
> But I'd call it what most produces its outcome, won't you...
Airyx
May 10, 2013, 10:20:31 AM5/10/13
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On Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:29:20 AM UTC-5, sbsde...@gmail.com wrote:
> Great analysis! But based on those numbers, if I'm calculating correctly, total read option run and pass plays would account for about 45% of all plays, which is still a very large chunk.
Its a little less then that because they run more often then they pass.
> Great analysis! But based on those numbers, if I'm calculating correctly, total read option run and pass plays would account for about 45% of all plays, which is still a very large chunk.
Rast
May 10, 2013, 3:38:19 PM5/10/13
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Airyx wrote...
resource online whihc has them?
> Its a very diverse offense. I find it funny that the media keeps calling the 'skins, 49ers, Seahawks, and Panthers read-option offenses. If you had to pick, I'd still call it a zone-stretch / WCO offense.
Thanks for those numbers... did you compile them yourself or is there a
resource online whihc has them?
Valjean
May 10, 2013, 5:35:22 PM5/10/13
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it does. There is an overarching concept too, that's the read option
threat, and it's dependent on a quarterback who can read and run it
when he does. To see how meaningful it is all one had to do, for
example, was review what happened when Cousins replaced RGIII the
first time, and the playcalling tried to rely just on Alfred, versus
how the offense functioned in Cousins second game appearance, when
Cousins ran more and threw better, then, for it. You just want system,
and not the way its being implemented, to be the whole show, don't
you.
Walter Bushell
May 10, 2013, 11:18:39 PM5/10/13
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In article
<78dd8733-b0e0-40ea...@m7g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
Remember a threat can be stronger than its execution.
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<78dd8733-b0e0-40ea...@m7g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
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Airyx
Jun 12, 2013, 1:29:43 PM6/12/13
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On Wednesday, May 8, 2013 10:23:08 AM UTC-5, Airyx wrote:
Some Video Evidence...fun to watch.
This is a collection of Alfred Morris' longer runs. Tough dude, fun to watch.
http://youtu.be/1y03-lYvJjE
Lets categorize each play and see how many Read-Option plays there are...
1 = Point Of Attack Counter - Not R/O - Gibbs Style
2 = Inside Zone - Not R/O...Shanny/Terrell Davis Style
3 = Outside Zone - Not R/O...More Terrell Davis Style...awesome toughness
4 = Inside Zone - Bounced Out - Not R/O
5 = Read-Option!
6 = Inside Zone
7 = Screen - CB's nightmare
8 = Outside Zone...knocking Panthers over like bowling pins
9 = Inside Zone - Eagles afraid to hit Morris
10 = Point of Attack = Gibbs Style
11 = Outside Zone
12 = Read Option...only the 2nd one on this list.
13 = Read Option
14 = Point of Attack with an H-Back...Gibbs patented this one
15 = Outside Zone
16 = Inside Zone - Outstanding downfield blocking against Eagles
17 = Fake Outside, then Inside zone
18 = Outside Zone
19 = Inside Zone, Bounced
20 = Outside Zone
21 = Read Option
22 = Outside Zone
23 = Outside Zone
24 = Inside Zone
25 = Outside zone = Leonard Hankerson downfield block cleared the path
Of these 25:
3 = Gibbs Style
4 = Read Option
18 = Shanahan standard zone-stretch
Four out of 25 hardly is enough to call this a read-option offense.
Now, to be fair...early in the season, DE's and OLBs would bite on the hand-off almost every time, so RG3 ended up keeping the ball. Only later in the season did the read-defenders start to stay at home and cause the inside hand-off on the option. Still, this is a good sample of runs that worked.
Some Video Evidence...fun to watch.
This is a collection of Alfred Morris' longer runs. Tough dude, fun to watch.
http://youtu.be/1y03-lYvJjE
Lets categorize each play and see how many Read-Option plays there are...
1 = Point Of Attack Counter - Not R/O - Gibbs Style
2 = Inside Zone - Not R/O...Shanny/Terrell Davis Style
3 = Outside Zone - Not R/O...More Terrell Davis Style...awesome toughness
4 = Inside Zone - Bounced Out - Not R/O
5 = Read-Option!
6 = Inside Zone
7 = Screen - CB's nightmare
8 = Outside Zone...knocking Panthers over like bowling pins
9 = Inside Zone - Eagles afraid to hit Morris
10 = Point of Attack = Gibbs Style
11 = Outside Zone
12 = Read Option...only the 2nd one on this list.
13 = Read Option
14 = Point of Attack with an H-Back...Gibbs patented this one
15 = Outside Zone
16 = Inside Zone - Outstanding downfield blocking against Eagles
17 = Fake Outside, then Inside zone
18 = Outside Zone
19 = Inside Zone, Bounced
20 = Outside Zone
21 = Read Option
22 = Outside Zone
23 = Outside Zone
24 = Inside Zone
25 = Outside zone = Leonard Hankerson downfield block cleared the path
Of these 25:
3 = Gibbs Style
4 = Read Option
18 = Shanahan standard zone-stretch
Four out of 25 hardly is enough to call this a read-option offense.
Now, to be fair...early in the season, DE's and OLBs would bite on the hand-off almost every time, so RG3 ended up keeping the ball. Only later in the season did the read-defenders start to stay at home and cause the inside hand-off on the option. Still, this is a good sample of runs that worked.
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