To hell with (some) of ya
Hawk Guy
football is for entertainment to the public which includes all of us.
Yes, all of us. Everyone has the right to enjoy being all HYPED UP, even
if it means going to another NG cheering for your team, bragging about
your team, whatever about your team....Trying to tell me to stop, thats
like trying to tell people to keep their mouth shut @ home games or
away games just because there is a fan from the rival team next to you.
WELL QUESS WHAT, UP YOUR'S. Im a HAWKS fan..you dont like it THEN PUT ME
ON YOUR GOD DAMN KILL FILE.. you pathetic No-Lifes
~~~~~~ GO HAWKS ~~~~~~
Randy Henderson
says...
>
>some of you guy's are pathetic.
But most of us have ben here long enough to know that sticking your tounge out
at the other newsgroups is a waste of time.
>Football is for fun.
Couldn't agree more. Hawks also have fans in the 10-13 age range that read this
group. Their parents probably aren't wild about having them log on and read
about someones rectum being compared to a wagon wheel.
>The reason we have
>football is for entertainment to the public which includes all of us.
>Yes, all of us.
I notice a disturbig trend lately that says "Hey, I'm a fan-that gives me
license to do whatever I want." Blabbering in a movie theatre during the show,
rioting in the streets after your team wins the big game, rushing the field ater
the winning soccer match and getting people hurt-where does it stop?
>Everyone has the right to enjoy being all HYPED UP, even
>if it means going to another NG cheering for your team, bragging about
>your team, whatever about your team.
.....without regard for anyone around you. Yea, I notice that attitude a lot
lately.
>...Trying to tell me to stop, thats
>like trying to tell people to keep their mouth shut @ home games or
>away games just because there is a fan from the rival team next to you.
>WELL QUESS WHAT, UP YOUR'S. Im a HAWKS fan..you dont like it THEN PUT ME
>ON YOUR GOD DAMN KILL FILE.. you pathetic No-Lifes
Interesting. Two days ago we were your new buddies-all interested in the
Seahawks. Now we are pathetic lowlifes because we aren't wild about you cutting
a swath through the other newsgroups with your mindless garbage, irritating all
the other groups, and bringing the reputation of this group down in the process.
Go figure.
Randy
Rusty Neff
You're right, footbal is fun. However trolling just to troll isn't that
wonderful. We're here for the long haul.....some have been here for the
REALLY long haul...
This newsgroup has a pretty good rep...we're not like the Fader's fans
(thank goodness!).
Talking a little smack with the poor hapless souls who favor other teams is
fine, but why not save it for the regular season. Also, if you troll other
groups to the extent they come back here and trash up this newsgroup you
will find no one reading your posts here.
And before you call group regulars "pathetic No-Lifes", take a minute to
think who started all this.
You're welcome to post, you're welcome to get excited. Just don't forget the
Prozac.
Rusty
Hawk Guy wrote in message
<29789-37A...@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
some of you guy's are pathetic.Football is for fun. The reason we have
football is for entertainment to the public which includes all of us.
Yes, all of us. Everyone has the right to enjoy being all HYPED UP, even
if it means going to another NG cheering for your team, bragging about
your team, whatever about your team....Trying to tell me to stop, thats
like trying to tell people to keep their mouth shut @ home games or
away games just because there is a fan from the rival team next to you.
WELL QUESS WHAT, UP YOUR'S. Im a HAWKS fan..you dont like it THEN PUT ME
ON YOUR GOD DAMN KILL FILE.. you pathetic No-Lifes
~~~~~~ GO HAWKS ~~~~~~
KJW
Hawk Guy <M-A...@webtv.net> wrote in article
<29789-37A...@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
> some of you guy's are pathetic.Football is for fun. The reason we have
> football is for entertainment to the public which includes all of us.
> Yes, all of us. Everyone has the right to enjoy being all HYPED UP, even
> if it means going to another NG cheering for your team,
WRONG. Go read any etiquette faq, what your doing is trolling. And,
trolls are looked upon somewhere beneath a hooker w/ crabs.
Hell must be freezing if I'm telling someone about manners.....
bragging about
> your team, whatever about your team....Trying to tell me to stop, thats
> like trying to tell people to keep their mouth shut @ home games or
> away games just because there is a fan from the rival team next to you.
> WELL QUESS WHAT, UP YOUR'S. Im a HAWKS fan..you dont like it THEN PUT ME
> ON YOUR GOD DAMN KILL FILE.. you pathetic No-Lifes
All I can say is: WEBTV, WEBTV, WEBTV.
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------
- KJW
"There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
liberty."
"Bodybiulding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
--Robert Schuh
" To squat or not to squat that is the
question..."
> ~~~~~~ GO HAWKS ~~~~~~
>
>
The Bird
my fair share of fun, believe me. I'm in no way, shape or form telling
you how to act, cause at games , im the same way( almost ). But the
language could be better. Like that one post , Kids could be in the news
groups seeing whats going on.Heck, i even have a mouth. but there is a
time and place for it. Stay cool my friend. this post is not to
disrespect you but to Enlighten you...
The Bird
webtver's..Because you have a computer i take it that you are a much
better person?(just my thought) you are no different than Hawk Guy when
it comes to your language.No disrespect intended, just the truth. You
should practice what you preach. I dont Agree with the things that Hawk
Guy does but im just stating dont jump on another ship thats sinking
like his( meaning ) your kinda the same way by what i have read in your
earlier post's.
came...@my-deja.com
"KJW" <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hawk Guy <M-A...@webtv.net> wrote in article
> <29789-37A...@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
> > some of you guy's are pathetic.Football is for fun. The reason we have
> > football is for entertainment to the public which includes all of us.
> > Yes, all of us. Everyone has the right to enjoy being all HYPED UP, even
> > if it means going to another NG cheering for your team,
>
> WRONG. Go read any etiquette faq, what your doing is trolling. And,
> trolls are looked upon somewhere beneath a hooker w/ crabs.
> Hell must be freezing if I'm telling someone about manners.....
>
> bragging about
> > your team, whatever about your team....Trying to tell me to stop, thats
> > like trying to tell people to keep their mouth shut @ home games or
> > away games just because there is a fan from the rival team next to you.
> > WELL QUESS WHAT, UP YOUR'S. Im a HAWKS fan..you dont like it THEN PUT ME
> > ON YOUR GOD DAMN KILL FILE.. you pathetic No-Lifes
>
> All I can say is: WEBTV, WEBTV, WEBTV.
>
I have a couple of questions for you:
1. What proportion of trolling or abusive posts on Usenet originate from
webtv vs. "real" computers?
2. Even assuming you could establish a correlation between webtv and a
disproportionate tendency to troll, does the general principle that each
individual should be judged on his own merit still hold?
Keep in mind that your broadbrush defamations of webtv may seem cute and
sarcastic to you, but many individuals face a barrage of these insults daily
on whatever newsgroup they happen to be involved in, so may not share your
sense of humor on the subject.
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> - KJW
> "There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
> liberty."
>
> "Bodybiulding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
>
> --Robert Schuh
> " To squat or not to squat that is the
> question..."
>
> > ~~~~~~ GO HAWKS ~~~~~~
>
> >
> >
>
Steve Sondericker
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
KJW
The Bird <BigFi...@webtv.net> wrote in article
<2127-37A...@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
> KJW.....im just asking a question to your response about
> webtver's..Because you have a computer i take it that you are a much
> better person?(just my thought)
No.
you are no different than Hawk Guy when
> it comes to your language.No disrespect intended, just the truth.
It's not the language, but the content of the post. Specifically, the fact
I don't go trolling other ng's. And, it seems that the vast majority of
WEBTV people tend to do stupid inane things while online, like trolling.
NTM-their relative knowledge of the game seems always to be lacking.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------
- KJW
"There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
liberty."
"Bodybiulding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
--Robert Schuh
"To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
Bill Bessette
The Bird <BigFi...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:2127-37A...@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> KJW.....im just asking a question to your response about
> webtver's..Because you have a computer i take it that you are a much
> it comes to your language.No disrespect intended, just the truth. You
> should practice what you preach. I dont Agree with the things that Hawk
> Guy does but im just stating dont jump on another ship thats sinking
> like his( meaning ) your kinda the same way by what i have read in your
> earlier post's.
WebTV'ers tend to produce poorly formatted posts. They also seem
to misspell a lot of words and engage in run on sentences. Capitalization
can be a problem.
Many times, WebTV'ers will simply type everything in "all caps", giving
folks the impression they are shouting.
Primarily, I suspect this is due to the interface. It also doesn't take much
to use a WebTV system. With a PC, there is usually a bit of effort involved -
a learning curve, if you will - and with that effort a knowledge of internet
etiquette is obtained. Many WebTV'ers are devoid of that etiquette, which
results in innocent peers being subject to prejudice.
AOL'ers suffer a similar fate, although lately to a lesser degree.
The best way to avoid being derided for being a WebTV'er is to take the
time to check your spelling, format your posts properly, and post using complete
sentences.
Refraining from saying stupid things also helps... ;)
Bill
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+=======================+========================================+
| Bill Bessette |"The most merciful thing in the world, |
| +++ | I think, is the inability of the human |
|http://www.squidly.com | mind to correlate all its contents." |
+=======================+========================================+
The Bird
;)...... Well Bill, I can see where that would be a problem BUT there
are some good people out there who dont have the $ to buy a computer.
Such as me. But that doesnt make me a lesser person. My knowledge of
football is above average but like i stated earlier im sure one of you
know quite more than i. But please dont involve webtver's such as myself
into this ( webtv ) bashing. I think i've been doing pretty good trying
to hang in there with you all. You all are great people !!
Bill Bessette
Welp, don't worry then - you won't be lumped in with the losers... :)
Just remember, capitalization, spelling, and *paragraphs*.
wolf bane
like trying to tell people to keep their mouth shut @ home games or
away games just because there is a fan from the rival team next to you.
O thats just pussy hungry kevie. He has a inferiority complex because of
his inferior football and women knowledge so he takes his frustrations out
on webtver's. (Not to mention he'll never make it as a journalist but maybe
as a janitor for some news network. Hell maybe he'll really get lucky when
the *real* journalist run a story about journalist want-ta-bees working as
janitors for news networks. Anythings possible kevie, keep your head up!
WELL QUESS WHAT, UP YOUR'S. Im a HAWKS fan..you dont like it THEN PUT ME
ON YOUR GOD DAMN KILL FILE.. you pathetic No-Lifes
WELL FUCK YOU VERY MUCH AND HAVE A NICE DAY!
wolf bane
Kenneth Kennedy
defense of WebTV. I had a Black Box for 2 years, and used every day, I
posted to this group and others.
WebTv was all I could afford at the time. WebTv is not a PC, nor was it
intended to be. It provides a service to people who can't afford the big
bucks for a 'puter. It does it's job very well. If you are planning to use
HTML or build a web page, I can send you some links via e-mail if you want.
To Hawkboy, grow up! Listen to the folks, they are giving you good
advice.
Go 'Hawks
Ken
The Bird wrote:
> Bill Bessette Wrote: Refraining from saying stupid things also helps...
> ;)...... Well Bill, I can see where that would be a problem BUT there
> are some good people out there who dont have the $ to buy a computer.
> Such as me. But that doesnt make me a lesser person. My knowledge of
> football is above average but like i stated earlier im sure one of you
> know quite more than i. But please dont involve webtver's such as myself
> into this ( webtv ) bashing. I think i've been doing pretty good trying
> to hang in there with you all. You all are great people !!
--
Wealthy people miss one of life's greatest thrills . . . Making the last
car payment
Hawk Guy
~~~~~~ GO HAWKS ~~~~~~
Borg67
football is for entertainment to the public which includes all of us.
Yes, all of us. Everyone has the right to enjoy being all HYPED UP, even
your team, whatever about your team....Trying to tell me to stop, thats
like trying to tell people to keep their mouth shut @ home games or
away games just because there is a fan from the rival team next to you.
ON YOUR GOD DAMN KILL FILE.. you pathetic No-Lifes
OOOOOOkeee dokeeee,
Now please will ya tell us how ya really feel. ;-)
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO LIGHTEN UP!
Or light up if thats your thing.
Doug
aka Borg67
~~~~~~ GO HAWKS ~~~~~~
KJW
Borg67 <ode...@gte.net> wrote in article
<Msrr3.2768$9X.8...@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net>...
> OOOOOOkeee dokeeee,
> Now please will ya tell us how ya really feel. ;-)
>
> EVERYBODY NEEDS TO LIGHTEN UP!
> Or light up if thats your thing.
Fine, load the first bowl, Doug. I'll getcha back. <g>
<My clock reads 4:20, where's my lighter???>
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------
- KJW
"There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
liberty."
"Bodybiulding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
--Robert Schuh
"To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
Chuck Dinsmore
Son.........
Randy Henderson <Randy_...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:7ojvv8$28...@drn.newsguy.com...
> In article <29789-37A...@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
M-A...@webtv.net
> says...
> >
> >some of you guy's are pathetic.
>
> But most of us have ben here long enough to know that sticking your
tounge out
> at the other newsgroups is a waste of time.
>
> >Football is for fun.
>
> Couldn't agree more. Hawks also have fans in the 10-13 age range that
read this
> group. Their parents probably aren't wild about having them log on and
read
> about someones rectum being compared to a wagon wheel.
>
> >The reason we have
> >football is for entertainment to the public which includes all of us.
> >Yes, all of us.
>
> I notice a disturbig trend lately that says "Hey, I'm a fan-that gives me
> license to do whatever I want." Blabbering in a movie theatre during the
show,
> rioting in the streets after your team wins the big game, rushing the
field ater
> the winning soccer match and getting people hurt-where does it stop?
>
> >Everyone has the right to enjoy being all HYPED UP, even
> >if it means going to another NG cheering for your team, bragging about
> >your team, whatever about your team.
>
> .....without regard for anyone around you. Yea, I notice that attitude
a lot
> lately.
>
> >...Trying to tell me to stop, thats
> >like trying to tell people to keep their mouth shut @ home games or
> >away games just because there is a fan from the rival team next to you.
> >WELL QUESS WHAT, UP YOUR'S. Im a HAWKS fan..you dont like it THEN PUT ME
> >ON YOUR GOD DAMN KILL FILE.. you pathetic No-Lifes
>
Dave Holo
argue that one way or the other, but I don't believe it. If, however, you
are saying that most WebTV'ers are trolls, I'd be willing to dispute that. I
know too many that aren't. Face it. With Windows, Outlook Express, IE5.0, it
requires no more sophistication to get online with a PC than it does with
WebTV, just more bucks. That barrier seems to be disappearing, too. I've
seen ads for $199 PCs.
Although PC's are more versatile, they have made the transition from geek
toys to appliances, same as WebTV.
Dave
(geek toy owner since before S-100 bus and CP/M)
KJW <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:01bee1dd$529d11c0$1a2adccf@steen1...
Hawk Guy
giving you good advice.<end>.. Well, i'll take that into consideration.
~~~~~~ GO HAWKS ~~~~~~
Hawk Guy
WolfBane, that was good. That post of mine was directed to the
asshole's that cut webtver's down.!!!. But your funny.
~~~~~~ GO HAWKS ~~~~~~
KJW
Dave Holo <dave...@jps.net> wrote in article <37ae...@news1.jps.net>...
> If what you're saying is that many - most? - trolls are WebTV'ers, I
can't
> argue that one way or the other, but I don't believe it. If, however, you
> are saying that most WebTV'ers are trolls, I'd be willing to dispute
that. I
> know too many that aren't. Face it. With Windows, Outlook Express, IE5.0,
it
> requires no more sophistication to get online with a PC than it does with
> WebTV, just more bucks. That barrier seems to be disappearing, too. I've
> seen ads for $199 PCs.
I never said what I thought the reason was that a fairly high percentage
of WEBTV'ers seem to be doorknobs.
> Although PC's are more versatile, they have made the transition from geek
> toys to appliances, same as WebTV.
>
> Dave
> (geek toy owner since before S-100 bus and CP/M)
Being a geek and acting like a troll are two very different things. I
know lots of computer "geeks" who wouldn't think of acting like such a
moron.
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- KJW
"There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
liberty."
"Bodybiulding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
--Robert Schuh
"To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
>
JPat47
Bill Bessette
<came...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7onvdc$dcg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <rqs79u...@news.supernews.com>,
> "Bill Bessette" <dsquid@*nospam*squidly.com> wrote:
> > Just remember, capitalization, spelling, and *paragraphs*.
>
> Or else what?
Or else people won't take you as seriously as they otherwise might.
Hawk Guy
>Being a geek and acting like a troll are two
> very different things. I know lots of computer
> "geeks" who wouldn't think of acting like such
> a moron.
KJW should know about these thing's. Cause he's referring to himself but
left out the part of him being a MORON too!!!.... He's living proof
afterbirth can live...." IF YOU SLAP IT HARD ENOUGH"....
~~~~~~ GO HAWKS ~~~~~~
Warren Louthan
KJW wrote:
>
> Someone please tell me why I shouldn't automatically think WEBTV is the
> tool of the ignorant?
>
>
Because it would be an assumption, and as a rule its not wise to
live by them.
The Bird
>Someone please tell me why I shouldn't
> automatically think WEBTV is the tool of the
> ignorant?
you know what? If it wasn't for Hawk guy being so polite to me and
helping me learn how to post so everyone could read what i was saying. I
might of thought you were a good person kev.>
It is Kev, Right ? And i know your not here to please us. Im in no way
asking that from you. But i have always been nice to you and yet all you
do is cut people such as myself , Down.>
Why ? Did you have a bad relationship.? Maybe a bad day..Every day.?
Your Webtv Bill went to collection's ?>
Kev.... I'm in no way, shape or form trying to cut you down. But this
problem you have with webtver's from looking @ your much earlier post's
apear to be your doing in getting them mad at you. You are always
cussing in some manner at a webtver. I can see why they put you
down..Cause you act as if you own a webtv yourself....
Borg67
KJW wrote in message <01bee216$bf4858a0$9f2edccf@steen1>...
>
>
>Borg67 <ode...@gte.net> wrote in article
><Msrr3.2768$9X.8...@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net>...
>> OOOOOOkeee dokeeee,
>> Now please will ya tell us how ya really feel. ;-)
>>
>> EVERYBODY NEEDS TO LIGHTEN UP!
>> Or light up if thats your thing.
>
> Fine, load the first bowl, Doug. I'll getcha back. <g>
emm EAR dude
>
> <My clock reads 4:20, where's my lighter???>
>--
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
> - KJW
> "There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
>liberty."
>
> "Bodybiulding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
>
> --Robert Schuh
> "To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
>
>
>
>
came...@my-deja.com
"KJW" <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
> The Bird <BigFi...@webtv.net> wrote in article
> <2127-37A...@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
> > KJW.....im just asking a question to your response about
> > webtver's..Because you have a computer i take it that you are a much
> > better person?(just my thought)
>
>
> you are no different than Hawk Guy when
> > it comes to your language.No disrespect intended, just the truth.
>
> WEBTV people tend to do stupid inane things while online, like trolling.
Document this assertion with evidence or shut your fucking ignorant, bigoted
piehole.
> NTM-their relative knowledge of the game seems always to be lacking.
>
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> - KJW
> "There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
> liberty."
>
> "Bodybiulding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
>
> --Robert Schuh
> "To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
>
> You
> > should practice what you preach. I dont Agree with the things that Hawk
> > Guy does but im just stating dont jump on another ship thats sinking
> > like his( meaning ) your kinda the same way by what i have read in your
> > earlier post's.
> >
> >
>
Steve Sondericker
came...@my-deja.com
"Bill Bessette" <dsquid@*nospam*squidly.com> wrote:
>
> The Bird <BigFi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > Bill Bessette Wrote: Refraining from saying stupid things also helps...
>
> > ;)...... Well Bill, I can see where that would be a problem BUT there
> > are some good people out there who dont have the $ to buy a computer.
> > Such as me. But that doesnt make me a lesser person. My knowledge of
> > football is above average but like i stated earlier im sure one of you
> > know quite more than i. But please dont involve webtver's such as myself
> > into this ( webtv ) bashing. I think i've been doing pretty good trying
> > to hang in there with you all. You all are great people !!
>
>
>
Or else what?
> Bill
>
> --
> +=======================+========================================+
> | Bill Bessette |"The most merciful thing in the world, |
> | +++ | I think, is the inability of the human |
> |http://www.squidly.com | mind to correlate all its contents." |
> +=======================+========================================+
>
>
Steve Sondericker
KJW
came...@my-deja.com wrote in article <7onvaf$dao$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> In article <01bee1dd$529d11c0$1a2adccf@steen1>,
>
> Document this assertion with evidence or shut your fucking ignorant,
bigoted
> piehole.
>
I'm basing this from the fact one of the WEBTV guys just got done flaming
all our rivals NG w/ troll like crap.
WTF you think I'm talking about, or did ya miss that...
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------
- KJW
"There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
liberty."
"Bodybuilding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
KJW
Hawk Guy <M-A...@webtv.net> wrote in article
<2083-37A...@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
Someone please tell me why I shouldn't automatically think WEBTV is the
tool of the ignorant?
wolf bane
Hawk Guy wrote in message
KJW Wrote:>
>Being a geek and acting like a troll are two
> very different things. I know lots of computer
> "geeks" who wouldn't think of acting like such
> a moron.
He's living proof
afterbirth can live...." IF YOU SLAP IT HARD ENOUGH"....
Please don't make fun of kevie like this, he's very sensitive and probly
masterbates hourly.
wolf bane
Chuck Dinsmore
don't take life so seriously after all it is only a ball game. Sounds like
you should be a Mariner and go and fight it out, this will get rid of your
frustration.
Hawk Guy <M-A...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6537-37...@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
wolf bane
The Bird wrote in message
<4625-37A...@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
KJW Wrote:>
>Someone please tell me why I shouldn't
> automatically think WEBTV is the tool of the
> ignorant?
cussing in some manner at a webtver. I can see why they put you
down..Cause you act as if you own a webtv yourself....
Well you see he was violated as a child, a close friend or family member
shoved a small tv up his ass so he hates any words with tv in it I believe.
wolf bane
Mike Kohary
>
> If what you're saying is that many - most? - trolls are WebTV'ers, I can't
> argue that one way or the other, but I don't believe it. If, however, you
> are saying that most WebTV'ers are trolls, I'd be willing to dispute that. I
> know too many that aren't. Face it. With Windows, Outlook Express, IE5.0, it
> requires no more sophistication to get online with a PC than it does with
> WebTV, just more bucks. That barrier seems to be disappearing, too. I've
> seen ads for $199 PCs.
>
> toys to appliances, same as WebTV.
>
> Dave
> (geek toy owner since before S-100 bus and CP/M)
Bunk. If you're a ex-CP/M guy, you should know better.
True, computers have become far easier to use since the "old" days, when
you programmed your own code if you wanted an app. But if I give a
know-nothing a computer with blank OE prefs, and a WebTV, he's going to
get one up and running long before he gets the other. Chances are,
he'll *never* get the other up and running without assistance. It's
become more intuitive, but not *that* intuitive.
This is truly the black spot of WebTV, which I think is otherwise a fine
appliance for folks with very limited computing needs. It allows anyone
to get behind the wheel and cruise the highway. The only reason we
allow that with computers and not cars is because you can't kill anyone
with a computer. But you can make just as big an idiot of yourself.
Are most WebTVers trolls? I kinda doubt that. But the first thing that
should pop up on a WebTV screen, when it's first turned on, is a pointer
to the internet FAQs. If they go on Usenet, they should get a pointer
to the relevant FAQs there, too. Especially the FAQs on netiquette.
Because, for whatever odd reason, it seems the noise-to-signal ratio
takes a nosedive when WebTV is involved. I don't think that's the fault
of WebTV or the user; I think its plain, simple lack of knowing any
better.
Mike
--
內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻齯滌`偕中滌`偕
Mike Kohary Seattle, WA http://kohary.simplenet.com
內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻齯滌`偕中滌`偕
Bill Bessette
Mike Kohary <mko...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:37B0C521...@earthlink.net...
> Are most WebTVers trolls? I kinda doubt that. But the first thing that
> should pop up on a WebTV screen, when it's first turned on, is a pointer
> to the internet FAQs. If they go on Usenet, they should get a pointer
> to the relevant FAQs there, too. Especially the FAQs on netiquette.
> Because, for whatever odd reason, it seems the noise-to-signal ratio
> takes a nosedive when WebTV is involved. I don't think that's the fault
> of WebTV or the user; I think its plain, simple lack of knowing any
> better.
How many people read the instructions before they play a new video game? :)
Warren Louthan
Bill Bessette wrote:
> Mike Kohary <mko...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:37B0C521...@earthlink.net...
>
> > Are most WebTVers trolls? I kinda doubt that. But the first thing that
> > should pop up on a WebTV screen, when it's first turned on, is a pointer
> > to the internet FAQs. If they go on Usenet, they should get a pointer
> > to the relevant FAQs there, too. Especially the FAQs on netiquette.
> > Because, for whatever odd reason, it seems the noise-to-signal ratio
> > takes a nosedive when WebTV is involved. I don't think that's the fault
> > of WebTV or the user; I think its plain, simple lack of knowing any
> > better.
>
> How many people read the instructions before they play a new video game? :)
>
> Bill
>
>
They make those things with instructions?
came...@my-deja.com
"KJW" <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
> came...@my-deja.com wrote in article <7onvaf$dao$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> > In article <01bee1dd$529d11c0$1a2adccf@steen1>,
> >
> > Document this assertion with evidence or shut your fucking ignorant,
> bigoted
> > piehole.
> >
> I'm basing this from the fact one of the WEBTV guys just got done flaming
ONE webtv guy. Brilliant, just fucking brilliant. You fucking "real" PCers
are all the fucking same. Complete IMBECILES when it comes to drawing valid
conclusions. ONE INSTANCE, you nitwit. Get a clue.
> all our rivals NG w/ troll like crap.
>
Do all you idiotic PCers draw general conclusions from ONE FUCKING DATAPOINT?
Christ, you're stoopid.
> WTF you think I'm talking about, or did ya miss that...
>
The irony...
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> - KJW
> "There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
> liberty."
>
> "Bodybuilding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
>
THANK GOD!
> --Robert Schuh
> "To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
>
>
Steve Sondericker
came...@my-deja.com
"KJW" <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hawk Guy <M-A...@webtv.net> wrote in article
> <2083-37A...@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
> > KJW Wrote:>
> >
> > >Being a geek and acting like a troll are two
> > > very different things. I know lots of computer
> > > "geeks" who wouldn't think of acting like such
> > > a moron.
> >
> > afterbirth can live...." IF YOU SLAP IT HARD ENOUGH"....
> >
>
> Someone please tell me why I shouldn't automatically think WEBTV is the
> tool of the ignorant?
>
Seriously? You really can't be seriously asking this question in 1999.
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> - KJW
> "There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
> liberty."
>
> "Bodybuilding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
>
PRAISE ELWAY!
came...@my-deja.com
Warren Louthan <gal...@pacifier.com> wrote:
>
>
> KJW wrote:
>
> >
> > Someone please tell me why I shouldn't automatically think WEBTV is the
> > tool of the ignorant?
> >
> >
>
> live by them.
>
To quote the Talking Heads, stop making sense.
came...@my-deja.com
"KJW" <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hawk Guy <M-A...@webtv.net> wrote in article
> <2083-37A...@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
> > KJW Wrote:>
> >
> > >Being a geek and acting like a troll are two
> > > very different things. I know lots of computer
> > > "geeks" who wouldn't think of acting like such
> > > a moron.
> >
> > KJW should know about these thing's. Cause he's referring to himself but
> > left out the part of him being a MORON too!!!.... He's living proof
> > afterbirth can live...." IF YOU SLAP IT HARD ENOUGH"....
> >
> > ~~~~~~ GO HAWKS ~~~~~~
>
> tool of the ignorant?
>
Seriously? You really can't be seriously asking this question in 1999.
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> - KJW
> "There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
> liberty."
>
> "Bodybuilding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
>
PRAISE ELWAY!
> --Robert Schuh
> "To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
>
> >
>
Steve Sondericker
came...@my-deja.com
"Bill Bessette" <dsquid@*nospam*squidly.com> wrote:
>
> <came...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7onvdc$dcg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > "Bill Bessette" <dsquid@*nospam*squidly.com> wrote:
>
> > > Just remember, capitalization, spelling, and *paragraphs*.
> >
> > Or else what?
>
>
Sounds like a good general rule with no relation to webtv.
Of course, "real" PCers have all sorts of spelling and grammar checks built
in by Microsoft temps to help them look smarter than they really are.
> Bill
>
> --
> +=======================+========================================+
> | Bill Bessette |"The most merciful thing in the world, |
> | +++ | I think, is the inability of the human |
> |http://www.squidly.com | mind to correlate all its contents." |
> +=======================+========================================+
>
>
Steve Sondericker
came...@my-deja.com
Hmm...
> Are most WebTVers trolls? I kinda doubt that. But the first thing that
> should pop up on a WebTV screen, when it's first turned on, is a pointer
Yes. Good idea. Tell them what to say before they say it.
> to the internet FAQs. If they go on Usenet, they should get a pointer
Interesting ideas. Should the same thing be built into all PCs?
> to the relevant FAQs there, too. Especially the FAQs on netiquette.
> Because, for whatever odd reason, it seems the noise-to-signal ratio
> takes a nosedive when WebTV is involved. I don't think that's the fault
> of WebTV or the user; I think its plain, simple lack of knowing any
> better.
>
Right. And the 100,000,000th repition of "typical webtv idiot" has nothing
to do with it.
If only the niggers would conform, then we'd accept them.
> Mike
> --
> 內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻齯滌`偕中滌`偕
> Mike Kohary Seattle, WA http://kohary.simplenet.com
> 內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻齯滌`偕中滌`偕
>
Steve Sondericker
Bill Bessette
<came...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> ONE webtv guy. Brilliant, just fucking brilliant. You fucking "real" PCers
> are all the fucking same. Complete IMBECILES when it comes to drawing valid
> conclusions. ONE INSTANCE, you nitwit. Get a clue.
I'm not condoning the conclusion that Kevin seems to draw about all WebTV'ers,
and I use a PC. Why are you lumping me in with him (or are you simply doing it
for 'effect')?
Bill Bessette
<came...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7oqofh$dbp$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <rqv31h...@news.supernews.com>,
> "Bill Bessette" <dsquid@*nospam*squidly.com> wrote:
> > <came...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7onvdc$dcg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > > In article <rqs79u...@news.supernews.com>,
> > > "Bill Bessette" <dsquid@*nospam*squidly.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Just remember, capitalization, spelling, and *paragraphs*.
> > >
> > > Or else what?
> >
> > Or else people won't take you as seriously as they otherwise might.
> >
>
> Sounds like a good general rule with no relation to webtv.
Who related it to WebTV?
> Of course, "real" PCers have all sorts of spelling and grammar checks built
> in by Microsoft temps to help them look smarter than they really are.
The PC is a superior tool, but WebTV can obvioiusly be used
to post clearly if a person is willing to put forth the effort. As I've said
time and time again - the message is the only thing that's important to me.
I could care less if they post from a high-tech etch-a-scetch.
Derek Lang
>
>How many people read the instructions before they play a new video game? :)
RTFM, always RTFM ;-)
Derek L.
KJW
came...@my-deja.com wrote in article <7oqnqn$cv7$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> In article <01bee2e4$96eeb600$ae28dccf@steen1>,
> ONE webtv guy. Brilliant, just fucking brilliant. You fucking "real"
PCers
> are all the fucking same. Complete IMBECILES when it comes to drawing
valid
> conclusions. ONE INSTANCE, you nitwit. Get a clue.
Dude, 3/4's of the WEBTV geeks that post here do stupid things, and that's
a conservative estimate. You've been here long enough to see that.
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------
- KJW
"There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
liberty."
"Bodybuilding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
KJW
came...@my-deja.com wrote in article <7oqotm$dm5$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> Right. And the 100,000,000th repition of "typical webtv idiot" has
nothing
> to do with it.
>
> If only the niggers would conform, then we'd accept them.
>
If you can't comprehend the gigantic fucking difference between the two
stuations this conversation is over.
KJW
came...@my-deja.com wrote in article <7oqofh$dbp$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>
> Of course, "real" PCers have all sorts of spelling and grammar checks
built
> in by Microsoft temps to help them look smarter than they really are.
This is classic. So you're saying that it's the "environment" that is at
fault for their perceived stupidity.
God forbid we ever let convicts get WEBTV.....
KJW
Bill Bessette <dsquid@*nospam*squidly.com> wrote in article
<rr2lq4...@news.supernews.com>...
>
> I'm not condoning the conclusion that Kevin seems to draw about all
WebTV'ers,
> and I use a PC. Why are you lumping me in with him (or are you simply
doing it
> for 'effect')?
Did I ever say they are all idiots?
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------
- KJW
"There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
liberty."
"Bodybuilding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
--Robert Schuh
"To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
Bill Bessette
KJW <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:01bee433$cc2081a0$1f2edccf@steen1...
> Bill Bessette <dsquid@*nospam*squidly.com> wrote in article
> > I'm not condoning the conclusion that Kevin seems to draw about all
> > WebTV'ers, and I use a PC. Why are you lumping me in with him
> > (or are you simply doing it for 'effect')?
>
> Did I ever say they are all idiots?
You might have said "inbred" or something similar ... ;)
came...@my-deja.com
> > are all the fucking same. Complete IMBECILES when it comes to drawing valid
> > conclusions. ONE INSTANCE, you nitwit. Get a clue.
>
> and I use a PC. Why are you lumping me in with him (or are you simply doing it
> for 'effect')?
>
Yes, obviously, for effect. I'll repeat for the umpteenth time that every
individual must be judged on his or her own merit, not his or her ISP, or
other such accidental features.
> Bill
>
> --
> +=======================+========================================+
> | Bill Bessette |"The most merciful thing in the world, |
> | +++ | I think, is the inability of the human |
> |http://www.squidly.com | mind to correlate all its contents." |
> +=======================+========================================+
>
>
Steve Sondericker
came...@my-deja.com
"KJW" <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
> came...@my-deja.com wrote in article <7oqnqn$cv7$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> > In article <01bee2e4$96eeb600$ae28dccf@steen1>,
> PCers
> > are all the fucking same. Complete IMBECILES when it comes to drawing
> valid
> > conclusions. ONE INSTANCE, you nitwit. Get a clue.
>
> a conservative estimate. You've been here long enough to see that.
>
And you have evidence to back up this bald assertion? Let's see it. C'mon,
it shouldn't be terribly difficult, what with that wonderful PC in front of
you to help you out.
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> - KJW
> "There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
> liberty."
>
> "Bodybuilding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
>
> --Robert Schuh
> "To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
>
>
Steve Sondericker
came...@my-deja.com
"KJW" <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
> came...@my-deja.com wrote in article <7oqotm$dm5$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> > Right. And the 100,000,000th repition of "typical webtv idiot" has
> nothing
> > to do with it.
> >
> > If only the niggers would conform, then we'd accept them.
> >
>
> If you can't comprehend the gigantic fucking difference between the two
> stuations this conversation is over.
>
Am I reading right? The irrespressible KJW is taking his ball and going home?
came...@my-deja.com
"KJW" <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
> came...@my-deja.com wrote in article <7oqofh$dbp$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >
> > Of course, "real" PCers have all sorts of spelling and grammar checks
> built
> > in by Microsoft temps to help them look smarter than they really are.
>
> This is classic. So you're saying that it's the "environment" that is at
> fault for their perceived stupidity.
>
Huh? Where did I say anything about the origins of your perceptions?
> God forbid we ever let convicts get WEBTV.....
>
Can they have PCs?
came...@my-deja.com
> >
> > I'm not condoning the conclusion that Kevin seems to draw about all
> WebTV'ers,
> > and I use a PC. Why are you lumping me in with him (or are you simply
> doing it
> > for 'effect')?
>
>
So sorry, how COULD we have misunderstood such statements as "mongoloid ratio
of 1:1..."
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> - KJW
> "There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
> liberty."
>
> "Bodybuilding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
>
> --Robert Schuh
> "To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
>
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > --
> > +=======================+========================================+
> > | Bill Bessette |"The most merciful thing in the world, |
> > | +++ | I think, is the inability of the human |
> > |http://www.squidly.com | mind to correlate all its contents." |
> > +=======================+========================================+
> >
> >
>
Steve Sondericker
came...@my-deja.com
"Bill Bessette" <dsquid@*nospam*squidly.com> wrote:
>
> <came...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7oqofh$dbp$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > "Bill Bessette" <dsquid@*nospam*squidly.com> wrote:
> > > <came...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7onvdc$dcg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > > > "Bill Bessette" <dsquid@*nospam*squidly.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Just remember, capitalization, spelling, and *paragraphs*.
> > > >
> > > > Or else what?
> > >
> > > Or else people won't take you as seriously as they otherwise might.
> > >
> >
> > Sounds like a good general rule with no relation to webtv.
>
> Who related it to WebTV?
>
Just that the entire discussion is on the webtv issue, and your comments had
a slight air of fatherly advice.
> > Of course, "real" PCers have all sorts of spelling and grammar checks built
> > in by Microsoft temps to help them look smarter than they really are.
>
> The PC is a superior tool, but WebTV can obvioiusly be used
> to post clearly if a person is willing to put forth the effort. As I've said
> time and time again - the message is the only thing that's important to me.
> I could care less if they post from a high-tech etch-a-scetch.
>
Amen, Bill.
KJW
Bill Bessette <dsquid@*nospam*squidly.com> wrote in article
<7osn3m$s5j$1...@usenet46.supernews.com>...
>
> KJW <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:01bee433$cc2081a0$1f2edccf@steen1...
> > Bill Bessette <dsquid@*nospam*squidly.com> wrote in article
>
> > > I'm not condoning the conclusion that Kevin seems to draw about all
> > > WebTV'ers, and I use a PC. Why are you lumping me in with him
> > > (or are you simply doing it for 'effect')?
> >
> > Did I ever say they are all idiots?
>
> You might have said "inbred" or something similar ... ;)
Well, they aren't *all* inbred.
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------
- KJW
"There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
liberty."
"Bodybuilding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
--Robert Schuh
"To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
Bill Bessette
<came...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7osqf1$s8h$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <rr2lq4...@news.supernews.com>,
> "Bill Bessette" <dsquid@*nospam*squidly.com> wrote:
> Yes, obviously, for effect. I'll repeat for the umpteenth time that every
> individual must be judged on his or her own merit, not his or her ISP, or
> other such accidental features.
I don't disagree - NEVER have.
Bill Bessette
<came...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7osrub$t5v$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <rr2lv4...@news.supernews.com>,
> "Bill Bessette" <dsquid@*nospam*squidly.com> wrote:
> > Who related it to WebTV?
> >
>
> Just that the entire discussion is on the webtv issue, and your comments had
> a slight air of fatherly advice.
The folks to whom it was directed evidently needed it the advice - regardless of
their vehicle of posting.
> > > Of course, "real" PCers have all sorts of spelling and grammar checks built
> > > in by Microsoft temps to help them look smarter than they really are.
> >
> > The PC is a superior tool, but WebTV can obvioiusly be used
> > to post clearly if a person is willing to put forth the effort. As I've said
> > time and time again - the message is the only thing that's important to me.
> > I could care less if they post from a high-tech etch-a-scetch.
> >
>
> Amen, Bill.
So do you absolve me?
Mike Kohary
Exactly. :)
Mike Kohary
>
> In article <37B0C521...@earthlink.net>,
> mko...@earthlink.net wrote:
> >
> > Are most WebTVers trolls? I kinda doubt that. But the first thing that
> > should pop up on a WebTV screen, when it's first turned on, is a pointer
>
> Yes. Good idea. Tell them what to say before they say it.
>
> > to the internet FAQs. If they go on Usenet, they should get a pointer
>
> Interesting ideas. Should the same thing be built into all PCs?
Anyone, using any platform, should read netiquette FAQs *before* they go
spouting on Usenet. Anyone. And it's not a matter of "telling anyone
what to say". It's a matter of laying down the ground rules, and
gaining knowledge on the expected behavior and courtesies, just like any
other social function. You don't go into a fancy party in your biker
outfit, dragging a keg and making a ruckus. You don't go into a biker
party in a tux, demanding that everyone put out their cigars. You do as
the Romans do, and if you don't, you're not going to be accepted, simple
as that.
> > to the relevant FAQs there, too. Especially the FAQs on netiquette.
> > Because, for whatever odd reason, it seems the noise-to-signal ratio
> > takes a nosedive when WebTV is involved. I don't think that's the fault
> > of WebTV or the user; I think its plain, simple lack of knowing any
> > better.
>
> Right. And the 100,000,000th repition of "typical webtv idiot" has nothing
> to do with it.
Who said it didn't? Not I. Kevin's antagonism has plenty to do with
it, but he's never shut his flap in the past, so I don't see why he'd do
it now. Deal with it - the rest of us have.
> If only the niggers would conform, then we'd accept them.
Pulling out the racist label is beneath you, Steve. You don't choose to
be born to a race. You choose how you behave on Usenet.
Mike Kohary
>
> Dude, 3/4's of the WEBTV geeks that post here do stupid things, and that's
> a conservative estimate. You've been here long enough to see that.
Kevin, that may or may not be true, but it is NOT because of WebTV.
That is what Steve is trying to point out. It is because the user is an
idiot. It does seem that a preponderance of WebTV users are, shall we
say, not wise to the ways of Usenet. But if they were on a computer,
they'd be just as idiotic.
Frankly, your antagonism is causing as much noise as any of the WebTV
postings. You should lay off until you know a person is spouting, and
then, don't attack their platform, attack the poster. Much more
effective, and then we won't waste our time arguing about things like
this.
Mike Kohary
>
> In article <rqv31h...@news.supernews.com>,
> "Bill Bessette" <dsquid@*nospam*squidly.com> wrote:
> >
> > <came...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7onvdc$dcg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > > In article <rqs79u...@news.supernews.com>,
> > > "Bill Bessette" <dsquid@*nospam*squidly.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Just remember, capitalization, spelling, and *paragraphs*.
> > >
> > > Or else what?
> >
> > Or else people won't take you as seriously as they otherwise might.
>
> Sounds like a good general rule with no relation to webtv.
I see only one person mentioning WebTV here, and it ain't Bill.
> Of course, "real" PCers have all sorts of spelling and grammar checks built
> in by Microsoft temps to help them look smarter than they really are.
That's called "using tools", for those of us who aren't so arrogant as
to think we can do it all for ourselves.
Seems like you have a bone to pick that is also unrelated to WebTV.
ThunderChicken
Mike Kohary
>
> > Frankly, your antagonism is causing as much noise as any of the WebTV
> > postings.
>
> learn any better.
That's fine, but you should leave the WebTV insults out of it. That
just denegrates the other WebTV users who aren't jerks, and that's no
good (resulting in long, meaningless threads like these.....)
KJW
came...@my-deja.com wrote in article <7osqne$sbg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> In article <01bee430$d2041a80$1f2edccf@steen1>,
> "KJW" <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> And you have evidence to back up this bald assertion? Let's see it.
C'mon,
> it shouldn't be terribly difficult, what with that wonderful PC in front
of
> you to help you out.
I thought it a rather bold assumption, though I am bald. <g>
Look, I'm not gonna go track down every GEEKTV post. It's a estimate on
what I remember seeing, and I was being fair, imo.
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------
- KJW
"There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
liberty."
"Bodybuilding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
--Robert Schuh
"To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
>
> > --
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > - KJW
> > "There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
> > liberty."
> >
> > "Bodybuilding with no drugs is like a woman with no
vagina."
> >
> > --Robert Schuh
> > "To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
> >
> >
>
KJW
came...@my-deja.com wrote in article <7osrjp$t27$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> In article <01bee433$cc2081a0$1f2edccf@steen1>,
> "KJW" <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
> So sorry, how COULD we have misunderstood such statements as "mongoloid
ratio
> of 1:1..."
>
I'm sorry, I didn't know I had to say when I was being sarcastic. Everyone
else seems to figure it out....
KJW
Mike Kohary <mko...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<37B213F5...@earthlink.net>...
> KJW wrote:
> >
> > Dude, 3/4's of the WEBTV geeks that post here do stupid things,
and that's
> > a conservative estimate. You've been here long enough to see that.
>
> Kevin, that may or may not be true, but it is NOT because of WebTV.
> That is what Steve is trying to point out. It is because the user is an
> idiot.
I never said it was *because* of GEEKTV. My point still holds, I don't
know what causes it, just that it is that way.
It does seem that a preponderance of WebTV users are, shall we
> say, not wise to the ways of Usenet. But if they were on a computer,
> they'd be just as idiotic.
Huh! You racist, nazi, skinhead, bastard!
> Frankly, your antagonism is causing as much noise as any of the WebTV
> postings.
If you let people say stupid things, w/o calling them on it, they don't
learn any better.
You should lay off until you know a person is spouting, and
> then, don't attack their platform, attack the poster.
I got one one guy, and the other 2-3(?) guys jumped in *AND* proved how
stupid they are. Jesus, Mike!!! They basically proved my point for me.
BTW-Get any good bids on your soul yet??? <g>
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------
- KJW
"There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
liberty."
"Bodybuilding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
--Robert Schuh
"To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
Much more
> effective, and then we won't waste our time arguing about things like
> this.
>
KJW
Mike Kohary <mko...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<37B24EB7...@earthlink.net>...
> KJW wrote:
>
> That's fine, but you should leave the WebTV insults out of it. That
> just denegrates the other WebTV users who aren't jerks, and that's no
> good (resulting in long, meaningless threads like these.....)
But, if I make a point, and *they* start acting like morons. Doesn't that
make them morons? So wasn't I right in the first place?
Yeah, i know I'm being an ass, but it's like picking on the retarded kid.
Just a little bit of a nudge and they spinning off into a rage. <g>
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------
- KJW
"There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
liberty."
"Bodybuilding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
--Robert Schuh
"To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
The Bird
> spelling and grammar checks built in by
> Microsoft temps to help them look smarter
> than they really are.
Webtv has the same thing as well. Spelling check, etc.... Some
webtv-er's are just too lazy to use it.
R.J
aka..The Bird
The Bird
>I got one one guy, and the other 2-3(?) guys
> jumped in *AND* proved how stupid they are.
> Jesus, Mike!!! They basically proved my point
> for me.
KJW, darn, you got me, "im stupid".. Im sorry for not letting you know
sooner. I'll work on my Knowledge of football as well so i can make you
happy... Your Friend,
R.J
aka..The Bird
çhieƒs ƒåñ
Someone please tell me why I shouldn't automatically think
WebTV is the tool of the ignorant?
Well if WebTv were the tool of the ignorant, than KJW would be
using it. By the way I have both a PC and Webtv.
The Bird
>Yeah, i know I'm being an ass, but it's like
> picking on the retarded kid.
HeEeeey, I d.d.d.d.ont L.L.Like W.Whattt You S.s.s.s.aid..... ROFL
R.J
aka..The Bird
The Bird
>Am I reading right? The irrespressible KJW is
> taking his ball and going home?
Dont go home, You're ok in my book.
R.J
aka..The Bird
came...@my-deja.com
"KJW" <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
> came...@my-deja.com wrote in article <7osrjp$t27$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> > In article <01bee433$cc2081a0$1f2edccf@steen1>,
> > "KJW" <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > So sorry, how COULD we have misunderstood such statements as "mongoloid
> ratio
> > of 1:1..."
> >
>
> I'm sorry, I didn't know I had to say when I was being sarcastic. Everyone
> else seems to figure it out....
>
So are all your disparaging remarks about webtvers sarcasm?
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> - KJW
> "There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
> liberty."
>
> "Bodybuilding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
>
> --Robert Schuh
> "To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
>
>
Steve Sondericker
came...@my-deja.com
"KJW" <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
> Mike Kohary <mko...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
> <37B24EB7...@earthlink.net>...
> > KJW wrote:
> >
> > That's fine, but you should leave the WebTV insults out of it. That
> > just denegrates the other WebTV users who aren't jerks, and that's no
> > good (resulting in long, meaningless threads like these.....)
>
> But, if I make a point, and *they* start acting like morons. Doesn't that
> make them morons? So wasn't I right in the first place?
>
About what? If you had said, "you, individual X, acted like a moron" you
might have a point. But you didn't.
> Yeah, i know I'm being an ass, but it's like picking on the retarded kid.
> Just a little bit of a nudge and they spinning off into a rage. <g>
>
Whassamatter, weren't expecting anybody to actually fight back?
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> - KJW
> "There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
> liberty."
>
> "Bodybuilding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
>
> --Robert Schuh
> "To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
>
> > Mike
> > --
> > 內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻齯滌`偕中滌`偕
> > Mike Kohary Seattle, WA http://kohary.simplenet.com
> > 內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻齯滌`偕中滌`偕
> >
>
Steve Sondericker
came...@my-deja.com
"KJW" <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
> came...@my-deja.com wrote in article <7osqne$sbg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> > In article <01bee430$d2041a80$1f2edccf@steen1>,
> > "KJW" <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> > And you have evidence to back up this bald assertion? Let's see it.
> C'mon,
> > it shouldn't be terribly difficult, what with that wonderful PC in front
> of
> > you to help you out.
>
> I thought it a rather bold assumption, though I am bald. <g>
> Look, I'm not gonna go track down every GEEKTV post. It's a estimate on
Of course you aren't. I accept your surrender.
> what I remember seeing, and I was being fair, imo.
>
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> - KJW
> "There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
> liberty."
>
> "Bodybuilding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
>
> --Robert Schuh
> "To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
>
> >
> > > --
> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > - KJW
> > > "There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
> > > liberty."
> > >
> > > "Bodybuilding with no drugs is like a woman with no
> vagina."
> > >
> > > --Robert Schuh
> > > "To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
> > >
> > >
> >
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Mike Kohary
> like? I have webtv and a computer. Does that make a split
> personality??? You are truly showing your ignorance if you lump all
> webtvers in the same category. That's like saying all Seahawks fans are
> idiots because you are acting like an ass.
Here's one place I can lump most WebTVers in: most of you leave on that
wonderful "feature" that posts ridiculously large, irrelevant and
unnecessary plug-ins, html, and all sorts of other assorted garbage,
resulting in a signature that is usually 10 times larger than the actual
content posted. In your case, your sig even prompted me to download the
latest QuickTime - inexcusable. If you would, please remove this
"feature" for future postings, and I hate WebTv forever for allowing
this (even making it the default, I suspect?). Nothing personal; it
just isn't appropriate on Usenet, and WebTv should have known better.
Thanks,
Warren Louthan
Mike Kohary wrote:
> > Why does webtv bite just because somebody posts something that you don't
> > like? I have webtv and a computer. Does that make a split
> > personality??? You are truly showing your ignorance if you lump all
> > webtvers in the same category. That's like saying all Seahawks fans are
> > idiots because you are acting like an ass.
>
> Here's one place I can lump most WebTVers in: most of you leave on that
> wonderful "feature" that posts ridiculously large, irrelevant and
> unnecessary plug-ins, html, and all sorts of other assorted garbage,
> resulting in a signature that is usually 10 times larger than the actual
> content posted. In your case, your sig even prompted me to download the
> latest QuickTime - inexcusable. If you would, please remove this
> "feature" for future postings, and I hate WebTv forever for allowing
> this (even making it the default, I suspect?). Nothing personal; it
> just isn't appropriate on Usenet, and WebTv should have known better.
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
Yeah... what he said!
Brian
Mike Kohary
news:27149-37B...@newsd-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> Maybe you should upgrade to Webtv.
Can I play Quake 3 on it?
The Bird
>Here's one place I can lump most WebTVers
> in: most of you leave on that wonderful
> "feature" that posts ridiculously large,
> irrelevant and unnecessary plug-ins, html,
> and all sorts of other assorted garbage,
But Mike, If only you were capable of seeing our special feature you
would see the advantage of Webtv. I thought PC's could do anything?.>
Please dont tell me Webtv is one step ahead of PC's.. ROFL.. Joking with
ya buddy.. But Webtv is better in some area's. Too bad your PC's Cant
read our "html's" and put them into Picture's like they are meant to be.
R.J
aka..The Bird
The Bird
>Maybe you should upgrade to Webtv.
LMAO brian, that was a good one. How true
R.J
aka..The Bird
The Bird
>For those of you with Web Tv, as a favor to
> the rest of us, please read your manual and
> figure out how to format so we can read what
> you have to say.
Tracy, webtv can format, but we have to do it differently than a PC. If
you notice up top by your name there is a (>) at the end of "wrote".
thats how we code to format and shrink. We do it manualy..>
As for us to do a favor for all of you, which i normally do, it works
both ways.. You should try and figure out how to make your PC's read our
"HTML's". I thought PC's could handle anything. You all act like a PC is
a "God" compared to Webtv. aparently it's not, Maybe their even, but in
their own seperate ways.>
We shouldnt have to come to you and you shouldnt have to come to us. So
lets all work together. We will do our part and you should do your's.
Learn to read HTML's. Remeber, it was you all that claim PC's our more
advanced.>
So i got a webtv that is easy to use, yet sme of you folk's have a PC
that takes a lot of effort to use yet your PC cant read HTML.. Hmmmm,>
I'll stick with the webtv. This is not a Flame war, im just speaking my
peace, to your comment. and im saying it with a KIND smile..>
R.J
aka..The Bird
The Bird
Mike Kohary Wrote:>
>Can I play Quake 3 on it?
Mike, you can "MAKE" a Quake happen!!
R.J
aka..The Bird
MaxFly19
table.I truly can't say a post from this or that ISP will be worth reading.
My main compaint about Web TV are that many of them appear in a format that is
truly hard to read.
If someone continues to clutter a newsgroup with nothing but drivel, I put them
in a kill file. Maybe those of you who cant stand web tv could just add that to
you filter. Dont download anything posted by Web Tv.
For those of you with Web Tv, as a favor to the rest of us, please read your
manual and figure out how to format so we can read what you have to say.
Tracy Burris
Washington State resident. Spam me at your own risk.
Gary Bust
> came...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > In article <37B0C521...@earthlink.net>,
> > mko...@earthlink.net wrote:
> > >
> > > Are most WebTVers trolls? I kinda doubt that. But the first thing that
> > > should pop up on a WebTV screen, when it's first turned on, is a pointer
> >
> > Yes. Good idea. Tell them what to say before they say it.
> >
> > > to the internet FAQs. If they go on Usenet, they should get a pointer
> >
> > Interesting ideas. Should the same thing be built into all PCs?
>
> Anyone, using any platform, should read netiquette FAQs *before* they go
> spouting on Usenet. Anyone. And it's not a matter of "telling anyone
> what to say". It's a matter of laying down the ground rules, and
> gaining knowledge on the expected behavior and courtesies, just like any
> other social function. You don't go into a fancy party in your biker
> outfit, dragging a keg and making a ruckus. You don't go into a biker
> party in a tux, demanding that everyone put out their cigars. You do as
> the Romans do, and if you don't, you're not going to be accepted, simple
> as that.
>
> > > to the relevant FAQs there, too. Especially the FAQs on netiquette.
> > > Because, for whatever odd reason, it seems the noise-to-signal ratio
> > > takes a nosedive when WebTV is involved. I don't think that's the fault
> > > of WebTV or the user; I think its plain, simple lack of knowing any
> > > better.
> >
> > Right. And the 100,000,000th repition of "typical webtv idiot" has nothing
> > to do with it.
>
> Who said it didn't? Not I. Kevin's antagonism has plenty to do with
> it, but he's never shut his flap in the past, so I don't see why he'd do
> it now. Deal with it - the rest of us have.
>
> > If only the niggers would conform, then we'd accept them.
>
> Pulling out the racist label is beneath you, Steve. You don't choose to
> be born to a race. You choose how you behave on Usenet.
>
> Mike
> --
> 內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻齯滌`偕中滌`偕
> Mike Kohary Seattle, WA http://kohary.simplenet.com
> 內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻齯滌`偕中滌`偕
Apollo and Dionnysus man, Apollo and Dionnysus.
On one side, rules, form, order
On the other stream of conciousness, irreverency, chaos.
You come down on the Apollo side most often.
I get a laugh out of this particular thread because
1) net etiquette has changed dramatically since 82 (when I first used usenet),
so in my opinion, there are no absolute standards of etiquette on the net, just
as there are not in social interactions (remember when you took you hat off when
you went in store / restuarant? I do - I grew up with that).
2) there is lots of behaviour by ALL regulars on this group that I consider in
poor taste and poor etiquette, so a lot of what I call the pot and kettle around
here - but really, it is not important enough for me to go all huffy duffy on.
3) I mean really, windoze users going ballistic over webtv? It is to laugh,
since the "rest of us" thought the internet was dead when all you windows people
started popping up....you know, who the "nuevo ignorant" are all depends on
where you are starting from. The truth? some good things on the internet have
died since windows become a broad internet connection.....AND a lot of good
things have happened also.
4) I suspect that 2 years from now, what we define as etiquette will have
changed - largely becuase the dynamics of who is on will have changed ( again!)
- and somethings will be better, and some things worse. Among other things we
all need to start realizing that people from many backgrounds - particularly
children, but not only children - are now here, reading and writing, and we do
not know age or background - that is something that has to be considered.
Bottom line is though, I welcome all the new diversity - just because change and
growth, and new ideas etc, even for a form of communication as old as usenet
(wierd to say that huh? I guess in computer years, it is old), can stand an
influx of energy etc everyonce in awhile.
So, newbies, amaze us with your new ways, new ideas etc. Dont worry Mike etc
will serve as the conservative bastion defending Apollo's temple against the
rising tide of madness......
-gary
Gary Bust
> <came...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
> > ONE webtv guy. Brilliant, just fucking brilliant. You fucking "real" PCers
> > are all the fucking same. Complete IMBECILES when it comes to drawing valid
> > conclusions. ONE INSTANCE, you nitwit. Get a clue.
>
> I'm not condoning the conclusion that Kevin seems to draw about all WebTV'ers,
> and I use a PC. Why are you lumping me in with him (or are you simply doing it
> for 'effect')?
>
> Bill
>
> --
> +=======================+========================================+
> | Bill Bessette |"The most merciful thing in the world, |
> | +++ | I think, is the inability of the human |
> |http://www.squidly.com | mind to correlate all its contents." |
> +=======================+========================================+
Hee Hee Hee!
--gary
Gary Bust
> came...@my-deja.com wrote in article <7oqnqn$cv7$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> > In article <01bee2e4$96eeb600$ae28dccf@steen1>,
> > ONE webtv guy. Brilliant, just fucking brilliant. You fucking "real"
> PCers
> > are all the fucking same. Complete IMBECILES when it comes to drawing
> valid
> > conclusions. ONE INSTANCE, you nitwit. Get a clue.
>
> Dude, 3/4's of the WEBTV geeks that post here do stupid things, and that's
> a conservative estimate. You've been here long enough to see that.
>
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> - KJW
> "There is no war on drugs, but rather a war on personal
> liberty."
>
> "Bodybuilding with no drugs is like a woman with no vagina."
>
> --Robert Schuh
> "To squat or not to squat that is the question..."
>
Alright. There MUST be someone anal enough (not me) to go back thru deja news,
collect all the web tv posts, sort them into "stupid things" and "non-stupid" things,
and see how close Kev's estimate is. I realize we may have a problem defining what
"stupid things" is....but we can only try.
At least I am assuming Kev, you did not do a statistical analysis before that
estimate?
-gary
came...@my-deja.com
mko...@earthlink.net wrote:
> came...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > In article <rqv31h...@news.supernews.com>,
> > "Bill Bessette" <dsquid@*nospam*squidly.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > <came...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7onvdc$dcg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > > > In article <rqs79u...@news.supernews.com>,
> > > > "Bill Bessette" <dsquid@*nospam*squidly.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Just remember, capitalization, spelling, and *paragraphs*.
> > > >
> > > > Or else what?
> > >
> > > Or else people won't take you as seriously as they otherwise might.
> >
> > Sounds like a good general rule with no relation to webtv.
>
> I see only one person mentioning WebTV here, and it ain't Bill.
>
The entire thread (see title) is about the webtv issue, as well as some
previous text that has been snipped above. I also want to point out that I
have not started a single one of these threads, including the one entitled
"Webtv Influx".
> > Of course, "real" PCers have all sorts of spelling and grammar checks built
> > in by Microsoft temps to help them look smarter than they really are.
>
> That's called "using tools", for those of us who aren't so arrogant as
> to think we can do it all for ourselves.
>
> Seems like you have a bone to pick that is also unrelated to WebTV.
>
Yes. I have a bone to pick with persistent repetitions of bigotry which are
often waved off as just the cute ramblings of an ornery cuss. I thank you
for some of the sensible comments you have made here in this regard.
Thank God it's less than 24 hours until a real game, eh?
> Mike
> --
> 內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻齯滌`偕中滌`偕
> Mike Kohary Seattle, WA http://kohary.simplenet.com
> 內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻齯滌`偕中滌`偕
>
Steve Sondericker
MaxFly19
Thu...@webtv.net (The Bird) writes:
>So i got a webtv that is easy to use, yet sme of you folk's have a PC
>that takes a lot of effort to use yet your PC cant read HTML.. Hmmmm,>
>
>I'll stick with the webtv. This is not a Flame war, im just speaking my
>peace, to your comment. and im saying it with a KIND smile..>
>
Bird,
I can set it up to read in one format or the other. I am not going to take the
time in the middle of a thread to dowmload a post a second time in HTML just to
read it unless I know it is something I really want to read.
Personally, I don't care one way or the other. If a majority of webtv folks
post the way you do there would be less complaints from PC folks.
I am not flaming either, I am just trying to point out to a few of the newer
posters how to avoid problems, as a vast majority of people reading and posting
to usenet are using PC's.
I have read comments on how AOL is posters are all idiots so I am somewhat
sensitive to people picking on people just because of their ISP.
Hopefully a few people have learned a few things about usenet and we can about
the business of why we are even in this newsgroup.
ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL ???
The Bird
>Bird,
>I can set it up to read in one format or the
> other. I am not going to take the time in the
> middle of a thread to download a post a
> second time in HTML just to read it unless I
> know it is something I really want to read.>
>Personally, I don't care one way or the other. If
> a majority of webtv folks post the way you do
> there would be less complaints from PC
> folks.>
>ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL
> ???
As for, you can set it up one way or the other and dont want to do that.
Then why are you asking us to set it up to everybody else's
convenience?. Its not easy for us to Remove our special feature either,
you know!!( thats built in ). Why do i feel like a minority.>
I appreciate the compliment about my "posting the way i do". This is how
i see it, " i dont care one way or the other as well". Though some
webtv-er's will argue other wise.>
HELL YEA, IM READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!
R.J
aka..The Bird
Tim Douglass
<mko...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Why does webtv bite just because somebody posts something that you don't
>> like? I have webtv and a computer. Does that make a split
>> personality??? You are truly showing your ignorance if you lump all
>> webtvers in the same category. That's like saying all Seahawks fans are
>> idiots because you are acting like an ass.
>
>Here's one place I can lump most WebTVers in: most of you leave on that
>wonderful "feature" that posts ridiculously large, irrelevant and
>unnecessary plug-ins, html, and all sorts of other assorted garbage,
>resulting in a signature that is usually 10 times larger than the actual
>content posted. In your case, your sig even prompted me to download the
>latest QuickTime - inexcusable. If you would, please remove this
>"feature" for future postings, and I hate WebTv forever for allowing
>this (even making it the default, I suspect?). Nothing personal; it
>just isn't appropriate on Usenet, and WebTv should have known better.
>Thanks,
Mike,
Both I.E. and Netscape went through a period where they did all their
posts in HTML as a default. They both still produce some ugly garbage
if you let them. I refuse to use either one for newsgroup posting for
that reason. Every programmer thinks that his neat formatting trick is
the greatest thing since sliced bread (v-cards anyone?). WebTV will
eventually realize that a minimal, clean, default is the best approach
and let people add the fancy stuff as they learn how. A lower entry
point requires smarter software, and WebTV doesn't have it yet. The
problem is that, in order to compensate for the simpler software, you
need to have *more* educated users, rather than the entry-level users
who are drawn to a < $300 "Internet tool".
Tim Douglass
http://www.ida.net/users/tdouglss/
Tim Douglass
wrote:
>Please dont tell me Webtv is one step ahead of PC's.. ROFL.. Joking with
>ya buddy.. But Webtv is better in some area's. Too bad your PC's Cant
>read our "html's" and put them into Picture's like they are meant to be.
Considering that html was developed for use on text-based unix
workstations back when windows 1 was a hot item I think you are
missing a bit of the point. It is not that a PC can't handle this
stuff, merely that it is annoying to be forced to deal with it. Why
should I download a 50K posting when the same post made in plain text
is only 8K? It may not seem like a big deal if you are where you can
get a cable modem and only download a few things a day, but if, like
me, you rely on a rather poor phone system and can only get 24K
connections on a good day, it starts to make a bit of a difference.
I realize you are being a bit facetious here, but the point truly is
that the extras, no matter how pretty, get in the way of delivering
your message. A picture may be worth a thousand words, but I can read
ten thousand while I'm waiting for your picture to download - if you
get my general drift...
Tim Douglass (When it comes to graphics people used to tell me "you
can't do that on a PC, you have to have a Mac." I figured out ways to
do it on PCs and discovered that the price/performance ratio was all
on the side of the PC. Readily available *generalized* hardware will
ultimately always beat the specialized stuff.)
The Bird
>you need to have *more* educated users,
> rather than the entry-level users who are
> drawn to a < $300 "Internet tool".
Tim, if you happened to notice, im on a webtv. Yet, i can format as
well. In no way, shape or form am i starting a "Flame War". But, dont go
thinking you folk's are better cause you are more educated.>
Hell. i know my HTML's probably just as good as all of you , IF NOT
BETTER. so as for being more educated, please re-think that Remark you
made. And Please dont tell me "im a rare one then".>
I know a lot of webtv-er's that can make awesome looking thing's happen
with their Webtv. Dont underestimate what Webtv can do. Especially since
you dont have one.>
Again, im smiling while typing. Please dont take this comment as me
being mad. It's easy to do.
R.J
aka..The Bird
mia...@webtv.net
>(Mike Kohary): Here's one place I can
>lump most WebTVers in: most of you
>leave on that wonderful "feature" that
>posts ridiculously large, irrelevant and
>unnecessary plug-ins, html, and all sorts
>of other assorted garbage, resulting in a
>signature that is usually 10 times larger
>than the actual content posted.
I'm going to jump in with one comment here. I use webtv at home - and I
hate HTML. Even on webtv, it takes forever to open a post with a HTML
signature. I don't care to see anyone's cute little gif, or the temp in
their home town, or especially hear their midi of the day - at a decibel
level that makes my cat jump. So I don't open them.
If you want to contribute to a newsgroup, and be taken seriously - don't
post with a HTML sig. Simple as that. And, contrary to what others have
said - it's simple to remove that sig - click on the button that says
"remove signature".
Julie
Finster's law: A closed mouth gathers no feet.
came...@my-deja.com
Gary Bust <en...@arlut.utexas.edu> wrote:
> > --
> > 內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻齯滌`偕中滌`偕
> > Mike Kohary Seattle, WA http://kohary.simplenet.com
> > 內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻齯滌`偕中滌`偕
>
>
> On one side, rules, form, order
>
> On the other stream of conciousness, irreverency, chaos.
>
> You come down on the Apollo side most often.
>
> I get a laugh out of this particular thread because
>
> 1) net etiquette has changed dramatically since 82 (when I first used usenet),
> so in my opinion, there are no absolute standards of etiquette on the net, just
> as there are not in social interactions (remember when you took you hat off when
> you went in store / restuarant? I do - I grew up with that).
>
> 2) there is lots of behaviour by ALL regulars on this group that I consider in
> poor taste and poor etiquette, so a lot of what I call the pot and kettle around
> here - but really, it is not important enough for me to go all huffy duffy on.
>
> 3) I mean really, windoze users going ballistic over webtv? It is to laugh,
> since the "rest of us" thought the internet was dead when all you windows people
> started popping up....you know, who the "nuevo ignorant" are all depends on
> where you are starting from. The truth? some good things on the internet have
> died since windows become a broad internet connection.....AND a lot of good
> things have happened also.
>
And it's happened many times over in history. At first only propertied males
could vote, and at every step of widening democracy the "in" group complained
bitterly about the impending doom of civilization. Webtv is somewhat
analagous to the Voting Rights Act. It doesn't matter how smart or dumb or
literate or illiterate or rich or poor you are, you have a right to
participate (having said that, I also want to emphasize that webtv does not
necessarily = tool of the poor and iliterate; there are many different
reasons why people use it).
> 4) I suspect that 2 years from now, what we define as etiquette will have
> changed - largely becuase the dynamics of who is on will have changed ( again!)
> - and somethings will be better, and some things worse. Among other things we
> all need to start realizing that people from many backgrounds - particularly
> children, but not only children - are now here, reading and writing, and we do
> not know age or background - that is something that has to be considered.
> Bottom line is though, I welcome all the new diversity - just because change and
> growth, and new ideas etc, even for a form of communication as old as usenet
> (wierd to say that huh? I guess in computer years, it is old), can stand an
> influx of energy etc everyonce in awhile.
>
Once Ford built the Model T everybody could afford a car, and there's been no
turning back. Everybody on the net is going to have to get used to everybody
else being here.
> So, newbies, amaze us with your new ways, new ideas etc. Dont worry Mike etc
> will serve as the conservative bastion defending Apollo's temple against the
> rising tide of madness......
>
Interesting analysis.
> -gary
Tim Douglass
wrote:
>Tim Wrote:>
>
>>you need to have *more* educated users,
>> rather than the entry-level users who are
>> drawn to a < $300 "Internet tool".
>
>Tim, if you happened to notice, im on a webtv. Yet, i can format as
>well. In no way, shape or form am i starting a "Flame War". But, dont go
>thinking you folk's are better cause you are more educated.>
I didn't express that as well as I should have. Simpler tools (or just
more accessible ones) often require *more* skill on the part of the
user to achieve the same results. You are making the point I intended
because you clearly knowledgeable about your system and its
capabilities, therefore you (and a lot of others) produce good, easy
to read, posts.
> Hell. i know my HTML's probably just as good as all of you , IF NOT
>BETTER. so as for being more educated, please re-think that Remark you
>made. And Please dont tell me "im a rare one then".>
>
>I know a lot of webtv-er's that can make awesome looking thing's happen
>with their Webtv. Dont underestimate what Webtv can do. Especially since
>you dont have one.>
I'm not denigrating WebTV, I really don't know a lot about it's
capabilities, although I did spend a bit of time studying one at
Wal-Mart the other day after this thread started, but I would be
willing to bet that *anything* you can do with WebTV (except buy one
with petty cash) can be done with a PC, and often with a great deal
more flexibility.
Incidentally, when I refer to "educated users" or "knowledgeable
users" it is not a reflection on a person's general knowledge or
education. I know a lot of very highly educated and very knowledgeable
people who don't know anything about computers or the on-line world.
In that arena they are not knowledgable and, if they are wise (a
concept that has nothing to do with knowledge, education or
intelligence) they will take some time to add to their knowledge by
learning about the system they are using and how to best fit into
their new on-line environment.
Again, this really has nothing to do with WebTV, it is just the latest
lowering of the bar for entry to Usenet. That is not necessarily bad,
it simply means that either the culture will change (it has in many
ways already) or the new users will eventually adapt to the existing
standards. My point is that those who know how to do things with WebTV
should be educating those who don't.
>Again, im smiling while typing. Please dont take this comment as me
>being mad. It's easy to do.
I never get mad ;-)
Tim Douglass