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Robin Miller
Nov 16, 2012, 1:06:56 PM11/16/12
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Chargers look to pressure Peyton Manning this time
Corey Liuget: 'Close is never good enough'
By Michael Gehlken
Thursday, November 15, 2012
First up: Donald Butler.
Last month, the Chargers linebacker blitzed through the gap between left
guard and tackle, had Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning in his sights,
and as he dove in the air, Manning dodged, his eyes locked downfield.
Next up: Corey Liuget.
The Chargers end bull-rushed a center but tripped over a flattened
guard, falling toward Manning a moment after he evaded Butler. Liuget
reached out his arms, and Manning hop-scotched over them, his eyes still
downfield.
Defensive coordinator John Pagano has a four-letter word to salute plays
like these, which Manning ended by throwing a 7-yard completion with
outside linebacker Melvin Ingram in his face.
"We call them 'mops,'" Pagano said. "Missed opportunities."
On Sunday, San Diego looks to put more pressure on Manning than it did
their first meeting when Manning found a rhythm. He completed 13 of 14
second-half passes for 167 yards and three touchdowns to help guide a
come-from-behind win.
One of those touchdowns came the play after Manning, 36, avoided Butler
and jumped over Liuget.
"It was such an athletic move by Peyton," Pagano said, "where one guy is
coming in, he fell down, he jumped over the other guy. We had the
opportunity to contain it, but that is a missed opportunity to make a
sack in a game-changing play.
"Manning is still very athletic in the way he moves. He works at it.
That�s what he does and it shows out there on the field.�
The Chargers haven't been able to consistently get to the quarterback
this year.
The team had three sacks in the fourth quarter of its season opener
against the Raiders. It has 11 in the other 35 quarters. The total of 14
is tied for third lowest in the NFL.
It wasn't a lack of aggression against the Broncos.
In that second half, the Chargers sent at least five rushers on 10 of 16
pass plays, including those nullified by penalty. They rushed six twice,
one on a play Denver was flagged for holding and the other on a pass
that safety Eric Weddle tipped behind the line of scrimmage. Manning
threw the ball out quicker to counter the attack, and he wasn't sacked
all game.
Pagano mixed it up on 3rd-and-16 to start the fourth quarter, showing
blitz pre-snap with two linebackers. They bailed into coverage at the
snap, and against a three-man rush, Manning converted a 25-yard pass to
tight end Jacob Tamme.
Liuget said it was "sickening" how the defense nearly got to Manning in
their first matchup.
"We were close, but we didn't get there," Liuget said. "Close is never
good enough. This game, we have to finish. We have to finish and get him
to the ground. ... You just have to get back to it and know, 'Hey, I was
that close last time. Now, I got to get him this time.' It's that
mindset of effort, action and just controlling what you can control."
The Chargers can't send five-plus pass rushers every down.
They need to improve at creating pressure when it's just four.
Outside linebacker Antwan Barnes said he hopes to be a "major help" in
that category. After missing last week's game against the Buccaneers, he
may return Sunday from a hamstring injury.
"We need to get after him," said Barnes, who practiced Thursday for the
first time in nearly two weeks. "Not be close like what happened last
time. ... It's just beating the guy in front of you. Win the one-on-one
(matchups)."
A lot goes into creating a pass rush.
Cornerbacks Quentin Jammer and Antoine Cason both said Thursday they
have to stay physical at the line of scrimmage, jamming the Broncos'
receivers to disrupt the timing of route development.
Outside linebacker Shaun Phillips says getting to the quarterback starts
with him.
"That's my job, and I haven't done a good enough job," said Phillips,
who has a team-high five sacks. "I'm working my (tail) off, and I need
to do a little more. It's a little bit of both. The secondary has to
cover, and we've got to rush. We'll continue to get better.
"The one thing about this team is we work at it at practice. All the
guys are pass rushing their butts off at practice and working and trying
to get better. As long as we keep that attitude, we're going to be OK."
Corey Liuget: 'Close is never good enough'
By Michael Gehlken
Thursday, November 15, 2012
First up: Donald Butler.
Last month, the Chargers linebacker blitzed through the gap between left
guard and tackle, had Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning in his sights,
and as he dove in the air, Manning dodged, his eyes locked downfield.
Next up: Corey Liuget.
The Chargers end bull-rushed a center but tripped over a flattened
guard, falling toward Manning a moment after he evaded Butler. Liuget
reached out his arms, and Manning hop-scotched over them, his eyes still
downfield.
Defensive coordinator John Pagano has a four-letter word to salute plays
like these, which Manning ended by throwing a 7-yard completion with
outside linebacker Melvin Ingram in his face.
"We call them 'mops,'" Pagano said. "Missed opportunities."
On Sunday, San Diego looks to put more pressure on Manning than it did
their first meeting when Manning found a rhythm. He completed 13 of 14
second-half passes for 167 yards and three touchdowns to help guide a
come-from-behind win.
One of those touchdowns came the play after Manning, 36, avoided Butler
and jumped over Liuget.
"It was such an athletic move by Peyton," Pagano said, "where one guy is
coming in, he fell down, he jumped over the other guy. We had the
opportunity to contain it, but that is a missed opportunity to make a
sack in a game-changing play.
"Manning is still very athletic in the way he moves. He works at it.
That�s what he does and it shows out there on the field.�
The Chargers haven't been able to consistently get to the quarterback
this year.
The team had three sacks in the fourth quarter of its season opener
against the Raiders. It has 11 in the other 35 quarters. The total of 14
is tied for third lowest in the NFL.
It wasn't a lack of aggression against the Broncos.
In that second half, the Chargers sent at least five rushers on 10 of 16
pass plays, including those nullified by penalty. They rushed six twice,
one on a play Denver was flagged for holding and the other on a pass
that safety Eric Weddle tipped behind the line of scrimmage. Manning
threw the ball out quicker to counter the attack, and he wasn't sacked
all game.
Pagano mixed it up on 3rd-and-16 to start the fourth quarter, showing
blitz pre-snap with two linebackers. They bailed into coverage at the
snap, and against a three-man rush, Manning converted a 25-yard pass to
tight end Jacob Tamme.
Liuget said it was "sickening" how the defense nearly got to Manning in
their first matchup.
"We were close, but we didn't get there," Liuget said. "Close is never
good enough. This game, we have to finish. We have to finish and get him
to the ground. ... You just have to get back to it and know, 'Hey, I was
that close last time. Now, I got to get him this time.' It's that
mindset of effort, action and just controlling what you can control."
The Chargers can't send five-plus pass rushers every down.
They need to improve at creating pressure when it's just four.
Outside linebacker Antwan Barnes said he hopes to be a "major help" in
that category. After missing last week's game against the Buccaneers, he
may return Sunday from a hamstring injury.
"We need to get after him," said Barnes, who practiced Thursday for the
first time in nearly two weeks. "Not be close like what happened last
time. ... It's just beating the guy in front of you. Win the one-on-one
(matchups)."
A lot goes into creating a pass rush.
Cornerbacks Quentin Jammer and Antoine Cason both said Thursday they
have to stay physical at the line of scrimmage, jamming the Broncos'
receivers to disrupt the timing of route development.
Outside linebacker Shaun Phillips says getting to the quarterback starts
with him.
"That's my job, and I haven't done a good enough job," said Phillips,
who has a team-high five sacks. "I'm working my (tail) off, and I need
to do a little more. It's a little bit of both. The secondary has to
cover, and we've got to rush. We'll continue to get better.
"The one thing about this team is we work at it at practice. All the
guys are pass rushing their butts off at practice and working and trying
to get better. As long as we keep that attitude, we're going to be OK."
ScottW
Nov 16, 2012, 8:15:14 PM11/16/12
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On Nov 16, 10:06 am, Robin Miller <complex....@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> A lot goes into creating a pass rush.
>
> Cornerbacks Quentin Jammer and Antoine Cason both said Thursday they
> have to stay physical at the line of scrimmage, jamming the Broncos'
> receivers to disrupt the timing of route development.
Exactly....rushing LBs does nothing if the corner is 10 yards off the
>
> A lot goes into creating a pass rush.
>
> Cornerbacks Quentin Jammer and Antoine Cason both said Thursday they
> have to stay physical at the line of scrimmage, jamming the Broncos'
> receivers to disrupt the timing of route development.
LoS giving Manning a simple easy out or cross. He'll take that all
and never make the mistake most teams...and the Chargers....depend on
for the stop.
That ain't no Rivers throwing the ball. Manning will execute the 10+
play drive and do it in hurryup leaving our D laid out and gasping in
Denver's thin air.
Take the risk of being burned and man up tight.
Against Manning it's better to give up the quick strike rather than
being bled to death and wasted for the day after a long drive.
In this game giving up the big play is not as bad as being ground into
little pieces and left gasping. You'll still have some gas to bring
the heat next series.
ScottW
Swillabrew
Nov 17, 2012, 11:40:51 AM11/17/12
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"ScottW" <Scot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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will be a miracle, & the first time they've played that way in the 21st
century. Of all the things that piss me off about this team, this is one of
the most egregious. We have to be the worst team in the league at bumping
guys off the line & it shows. No bump means the QBs get to roll through the
plays like it's a freaking walkthrough & opposing OLs don't have to hold up
for that extra second or 2 that rerouting the receivers causes.
It would be great but it would be a flaming miracle too. I'll believe it
when I see it, consistently, throughout the game, please.
Go Bolts !
news:bb3a5db6-5a2a-4bc4...@uc4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 16, 10:06 am, Robin Miller <complex....@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> A lot goes into creating a pass rush.
>
> Cornerbacks Quentin Jammer and Antoine Cason both said Thursday they
> have to stay physical at the line of scrimmage, jamming the Broncos'
> receivers to disrupt the timing of route development.
If our DBs play bump & run at the line with the opposing WRs this week it
>
> A lot goes into creating a pass rush.
>
> Cornerbacks Quentin Jammer and Antoine Cason both said Thursday they
> have to stay physical at the line of scrimmage, jamming the Broncos'
> receivers to disrupt the timing of route development.
will be a miracle, & the first time they've played that way in the 21st
century. Of all the things that piss me off about this team, this is one of
the most egregious. We have to be the worst team in the league at bumping
guys off the line & it shows. No bump means the QBs get to roll through the
plays like it's a freaking walkthrough & opposing OLs don't have to hold up
for that extra second or 2 that rerouting the receivers causes.
It would be great but it would be a flaming miracle too. I'll believe it
when I see it, consistently, throughout the game, please.
Go Bolts !
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