'05 Steelers v/s '08 Steelers
Bill Cable
the '08 Steelers..
In '05, I didn't expect them to win in the post season. Every
victory, while not exactly a "surprise," was something of a gift. And
that was one hell of a ride to live through.
The '08 Steelers feel more as if they're meeting expectations, rather
than exceeding them. With their defense, which may be the best
defense I've ever seen take the field, I expect them to win. During
tonight's game I had some doubts... in the 4th quarter I felt they
lost the momentum and were set to lose... but the defense came through
like they're supposed to.
I don't know what to expect from the Cards, since I haven't followed
them AT ALL. So I don't think I'll go into Superbowl Sunday expecting
a victory, so much as I'll go in feeling the Steelers have an
excellent chance at victory. But the Bolts and Ravens... the Steelers
just took care of business. Anything else would have been a
disappointment.
--
Bill Cable - Steelers Fan & Star Wars Collector
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ca...@creaturecantina.com
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Coach Tomlins first draft of woodley and timmons - GREAT!
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Brian Allen
> victory, while not exactly a "surprise," was something of a gift. And
> that was one hell of a ride to live through.
I know what you mean. I remember after the Bengals victory thinking, "Well,
this was a great season. We can build for next year." Because there was NO
WAY anybody thought they'd beat the Colts. That was the real Super Bowl.
And then I remember not being too excited going into the Denver game because
hell, Cowher never wins AFCC games. It wasn't until halftime of the Broncos
game that I really thought they were gonna do it. There was such a huge
discrepency between the AFC and NFC that year, but I don't think that exists
this year.
unklbob
> One thing strikes me as a big difference between the '05 Steelers and
> the '08 Steelers..
>
> In '05, I didn't expect them to win in the post season. Every
> victory, while not exactly a "surprise," was something of a gift.
SuperBowl XL was certainly a "gift", courtesy of the referees.
Brian Allen
Wow, we just found a timewarp to February '06! Pile in, fellas!
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Group: alt.sports.football.pro.pitt-steelers
Date: Mon, Jan 19, 2009, 10:55am (PST+3)
From: Brian Allen <bl...@blah.com>
>SuperBowl XL was certainly a "gift", courtesy of the referees.
It's always great to hear from members of the Flat Earth Society. Stop
by anytime, we love to here from you. You receive a free Tin Foil hat
for your comment.
Schmuck!
unklbob
> > SuperBowl XL was certainly a "gift", courtesy of the referees.
>
> Wow, we just found a timewarp to February '06! Pile in, fellas!
The OP brought it up, and has to accept the fact that most (75%) NFL
fans believe the "one for the thumb" carries a huge asterisk. Take
away the bad calls--Rothlisberger's phantom touchdown, the ticky tack
OPI in the endzone, the "illegal block" on Hasselback, etc., and the
Steelers may still have won, but we will never know, will we?
A travesty that every real Steeler fan understands and has to live
with. The most controversial and ill-officiated championship game
since the 1972 US-USSR Olympic gold medal basketball game.
Brian Allen
> fans believe the "one for the thumb" carries a huge asterisk.
50% of statistics are pulled out of peoples' asses.
> Take
> away the bad calls--Rothlisberger's phantom touchdown,
He broke the plane.
> the ticky tack
> OPI in the endzone,
He pushed off.
> the "illegal block" on Hasselback,
The same call was made in the regular season against the Steelers versus the
Colts.
> etc., and the
> Steelers may still have won, but we will never know, will we?
The calls were all correct. Anything else?
> A travesty that every real Steeler fan understands and has to live
> with.
Yeah, it's tough living with highlights and such from a championship team.
> The most controversial and ill-officiated championship game
> since the 1972 US-USSR Olympic gold medal basketball game.
Hyperbolize much? Seriously, your post has been done before and done
better.
Rocky
(Cross posting deleted)
Sorry uncle bob but you're wrong, we don't "understand and have to live
with" your fantasy of the Steelers winning SB XL because of the officiating.
What you and many others (but certainly not 75% of all NFL fans) fail to
address is the bad calls that went both ways in that game. The Steelers did
benefit from more of them, we know that, but not game deciding ones. The
officials didn't let Willie Parker run for 75 yards from the line of
scrimmage on a single play. The Steelers won that game, and it's not tainted
by the poor excuses the NFL calls refs for any of us. Your whining and
crying, three years later, just continue to bring a smile to our faces!
Prior to SB XL I didn't have much of an opinion on the Seahawks one way or
another. No one really did, because they sucked and didn't ever pose any
real interest to anyone outside of their few fans. When they made it to the
SB I was happy for their fans and the team, and that only changed after I
saw what whiny little pansies their fans, coaches and QB really are. That's
something YOU have to live with, and we'll continue to celebrate being fans
of the greatest franchies in the NFL.
:-)
unklbob
Sure, and your "is not, is too" rebuttal doesn't change what 3 out of
4 fans watching the game know is true.
I said this at the time, and I'll say it again:
If the Steelers had won that game fair and square, I would have given
them their props as one of the best teams of all time. I grew up
loving the Steelers, the great teams of Lambert, Greene, Bradshaw and
Swan--I saw the Immaculate Reception live and almost jumped through
the ceiling as the hated Raiders took it on the chin.
But SBXL, and the incessant inability of Steeler apologists like you
to admit that the Seahawks got screwed has made me and a lot of other
fans who formerly rooted for the Steelers very bitter. Admit that you
got away with one, and maybe the rest of the country would look upon
the Steeler nation as a group with integrity, instead of bunch of
mindless homers.
I still have that game Tivo'd and periodically I pull it up and show
the controversial calls in slo mo frame by frame to guys who didn't
have a dog in that fight--I have yet to find someone who didn't feel
the calls were bad, and were obvious momentum breakers that came at
crucial points during the game.
In the next two weeks as the media beats the crap out of every angle
including what Warner and Rothlisberger eat for dinner and where they
buy their gas, some sharp will pull up footage of SBXL and go over the
disputed calls. Take off your black and gold tinted glasses, look
again, and realize what everyone else in the country knew four years
ago. Don't expect the NFL to talk about it on their network or during
the pre-game--its a black mark they'd prefer to forget about and sweep
under the rug.
Jefferson N. Glapski
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---------------------
Raiders fans still consider the Immaculate Reception to be poorly reffed,
even though it has been verified that some Ohio State Thug touched the ball
first. It was verified on a Physics journal. That is less controversial than
any call in XL.
The Steelers were fucked out of two fumbles that game.
Offensive interference is a penalty.
What else are you whining about?
unklbob
<jeffersonWE...@PENNSTATEglapski.com> wrote:
> "unklbob" <mcgrisw...@aol.com> wrote in message
I am not whining about Texas, Oklahoma, Florida or USC being ranked
higher than my school, that's for damn sure.
I am talking about real life true facts stuff.
Brian Allen
No you're not. You're talking about showing Tivo footage of a random game
to complete strangers and taking their opinions as facts.
unklbob
Funny thing is, all the "whiners" you speak of weren't remotely
confined to Seattle. They included Viking fans, Patriot fans, Charger
fans, Dolphin fans, Redskin fans, 49er fans, Titans fans, ad
infinitum. Unless you were a hillbilly from WV or had black lung
disease, or were laid off by Bethlahem and managed to scrape up the
scratch to buy some trailer in a Florida swamp you "whined", because
you knew that the either the refs were exceedingly incompetent that
day, or if you were a conspiracy buff thought that the fix was in--
what a huge shot in the arm to NFL coffers for another Pittsburgh win!
Its also funny that you decide to attack Seattle and its team when
last I checked, ESPN, USA TODAY, CNN, SI, and The Sporting News are
not located there, yet columns from all of those respected sources
attacked the officiating of that game. Polls from those same sources
showed that an overwhelming majority outside of northern Appalachia
felt the same way.
unklbob
Not really, Brian.
Everyone I've shown the game to has been a football fan, and since I
was living in Detroit during SBXL, I was the only Seahawk fan I knew
of where I lived--the same goes for where I live now. I've shown it
to (among others) Lions fans, Packers fans, Buccaneer fans, AND a good
friend of mine who is a dyed in the wool Steeler fan who was pretty
hammered during the game. All of them agreed with me.
According to Google Groups, this Steeler group has over 400
subscribers which is not inconsiderable given the state of Usenet
today. Probably 2/3 of them only lurk, but I would guess that more
than a few agree with me that the game was poorly officiated and the
outcome of the game was likely affected by that poor officiating.
Google "superbowl XL officiating" and fully 48 of the first 50 hits
are critical.
Coincidentally, I'll be in Tampa (not going to the game) for this
upcoming game, maybe I'll find some Steeler fans and give them a hard
time about their last SuperBowl "win", but if they beat Arizona
without any help from the refs, they'll get my congratulations.
Zaphod Beeblebrox
1/19/2009 3:19 PM???
Oh puh-lease! I suppose you always start with the assumption that when
people win it's generally with the help of referees? Look - bad calls
go both ways. I'm yet to see ANY evidence that the refs are biased
against any particular team. All this bullshit about "asterisks" is
just that - bullshit.
--
I'm so hip I have trouble seeing over my pelvis.
I'm so cool you can keep a side of meat in me for months.
unklbob
wrote:
Dude, I didn't know that you were a Steeler fan!
You know I don't feel that way in general, but SBXL was a special
case, and most fans agreed with me. Even if you winnow out the
Seahawk homers (if Slick was a Seahawk fan, for instance) and the
Pittsburgh haters, according to the post game polls anywhere from 2/3
to 3/4 of fans polled thought the Hawks got hosed, bigtime. And it
wasn't just bad calls, but calls that occurred at critical points in
the game. Here's a team that is tied for the least amount of
penalties in the regular season, and they rack up 3/4 of the penalties
in the SB?
And just about every penalty came at a critical juncture--nullifying a
good play, eliminating good field position, taking away points.
I am guessing most Steelers fans had their beer goggles on during the
game, and won't accept what every one else in the country knew was
true.
Natha...@rocketmail.com
I'm sorry but you are totally biased about the XL game because your
team 'won.' Same goes for Seahawk fans due to the fact their team got
screwed. Your opinion means nothing. If this was a murder trial by
jury in a court of law and your conflict of interest knowing the
defendant and the judge was aware of this you wouldn't be on that
jury, peroid. Again, the same is true of Seahawk fans. This is basic
to comprehend.
Jaybyrd
> On Jan 19, 3:33 pm, Zaphod Beeblebrox <victor.ki...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> You know I don't feel that way in general, but SBXL was a special
> case, and most fans agreed with me.
that it's the only time we'll see seattle have a shot at the top spot
for a loooooong time, hence the bitterness and sour grapes from the
pacific NW.
Even if you winnow out the
> Seahawk homers (if Slick was a Seahawk fan, for instance) and the
> Pittsburgh haters, according to the post game polls anywhere from 2/3
are you kidding about slick and his feeling towards the steelers?
Come on now.
> to 3/4 of fans polled thought the Hawks got hosed, bigtime. And it
> wasn't just bad calls, but calls that occurred at critical points in
> the game. Here's a team that is tied for the least amount of
> penalties in the regular season, and they rack up 3/4 of the penalties
> in the SB?
>
if you polled all NFL fans probably more than 3/4 are jealous of the
steeler success so your stats make sense.
> And just about every penalty came at a critical juncture--nullifying a
> good play, eliminating good field position, taking away points.
>
> I am guessing most Steelers fans had their beer goggles on during the
> game, and won't accept what every one else in the country knew was
> true.
the truth: most NFL fans are jealous of the long term steeler
success. It's similar to baseball fans and the yankees. This is the
true motivation for your poasts.
>
Jaybyrd
> On Jan 19, 1:15 pm, "Brian Allen" <b...@blah.com> wrote:
>
> team 'won.' Same goes for Seahawk fans due to the fact their team got
> screwed. Your opinion means nothing. If this was a murder trial by
> jury in a court of law and your conflict of interest knowing the
> defendant and the judge was aware of this you wouldn't be on that
> jury, peroid. Again, the same is true of Seahawk fans. This is basic
> to comprehend.
how about then if a trained and experienced official that was standing
right next to the plays has a shot at it then? Why would that be
biased?
unklbob
Let me add this: I probably hate Orrygun only marginally more than
Oklahoma, but would you agree with me that OU got hosed during its
last meeting with the Ducks? Likewise, did you hear me crying my eyes
out when Locker got penalized for excessive celebration in the last
seconds of the UW BYU game? No, you didn't despite the fact that I
bleed purple and gold.
So please don't call me a whining homer, I call them like I see them.
Chuck_Gr...@hotmail.com
That's what its really all about...YOUR congratulations. In fact, the
Steelers want to have the Trophy renamed "The Uncle Bob Trophy"!
And let me get this straight...you stopped being a Steelers fan
because of some bad calls the refs made?
So I'm guessing that the team you cheer for has never had a bad call
go their way?
Jaybyrd
>
> - Show quoted text -
you call them as a result of whining "group think"; instead of the
facts:
http://checkraise.com/rants2/archive3/xl.html
TWO SHOOTERS KILLED JFK!!
James Gibson
Interesting link. The biggest ones that I still remember are Jackon's
PI call and Locklear's hold. The Roethlisberger TD, I think, was a
judgment call that people largely let go of. I think Locklear's hold
is problematic to people because Seattle had a TD on that play.
However, the flag was thrown way before the pass was even made, so the
refs couldn't possibly be conspiring on the play and Locklear was one
most penalized linemen for holding that season, so the refs were
probably paying special attention to him. On the Jackson PI, I think
that was the correct call, but it often does not get made, which is
the real problem.
Rocky
> Coincidentally, I'll be in Tampa (not going to the game) for this
> upcoming game, maybe I'll find some Steeler fans and give them a hard
> time about their last SuperBowl "win", but if they beat Arizona
> without any help from the refs, they'll get my congratulations.
LOL! I'll be very surprised if you're the kind of person who would say
anything disparaging to a Steeler fan in person, unk. Just sip on your latte
and enjoy the game.
Bobs yer uncle
funny how of the first 50 google hits on XL officiating you got one of
two that support the Steelers position.
this is actually how it really went down:
John Peterson
"Bobs yer uncle" <mcgri...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Jaybyrd
> Steeler fans, you GOTTA read this one! It's *PRICELESS*! :-D
>
>
This is pretty funny. It is that guy's OPINION but it doesn't show
the actual proof. THis one especially: "Analysis – The contact
between Jackson and Hope was mutual and incidental to the TD."
Look again and have some more cheese with that whine!
Bobs yer uncle
>
Lighten up, gasbag.
Jaybyrd posted the biggest homeristic apology on the net as fact, and
I gave him the same treatment to chew on.
Jaybyrd
>
It isn't the same treatment. It's your sour grapes. With your logic
anyone can just say: "the ref missed a fumble that the steelers
recovered... add 7 points to the steelers and take away 7 from
seattle". Your silly analysis just doesn't hold water. It's simply
bitterness and sour grapes. There is no factual basis just "we're mad
cause we should have won!! WAAAAAAAH!"
John Peterson
the Seahawks' ass in SBXL, or that Seahawks fans are still complaining about
it!
Talk about the gift that keeps on giving! I love it! X-D
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John Peterson
times he claims that the exact same sequence of events would happen if a
particular penalty didn't occur. In other words he'll discuss a "phantom"
penalty on the Seahawks during a punt/kickoff return costing the Seahawks
"X" yardage. Then the Seahawks will get to the 40-yard line of the Steelers
in some number of plays, and then either miss the FG or punt. He says that
if you added that "X" delta yardage that the Seahawks lost due to penalty
many plays earlier, they would have been much closer to making the FG!
As I said -- this is *PRICELESS*! I was already feeling great about the
Steelers being back in the Super Bowl, but this article has put the cherry
on top of the day! X-D
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Bobs yer uncle
As I said above, its not my analysis--its just a rejoinder to your
silly post.
Want objective?
OK, then here's some for you:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/columns/story?columnist=smithmichael&id=2320683
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/oconnor/2006-02-06-oconnor-xl_x.htm
http://www.patsfans.com/bob/display_story.php?story_id=2933
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1682568/posts
fandude
loose (would that even be possible)?
unklbob
Lighten up, Rock, its a game. Pretty much every Steeler fan I know
gets the business from me--just like every Florida fan gets to hear me
talk up Utah. I've yet to have anyone take a swing at me, that would
be kind of stupid, don't you think?
unklbob
Yup, I have. My teams have "gotten lucky", "backed into (a playoff or
championship)", "had the stars line up just right", etc. I have joked
with opposing fans that we cut the refs a bigger check when bad calls
favored us. That's the difference between a real fan and a homer.
Homers "see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil" when it comes to
their team. Some fool on this board actually claimed that the
Steelers "kicked Seattle's ass", when no such thing happened.
Last night, The Ravens played like crap, but towards the end of the
game they were only down by two points and had the opportunity to
drive down the field and kick the go ahead field goal. Had they done
that, and held on to win, I would have told any Baltimore fan that
they were lucky as hell given how they played. (Thanks the USC thug,
it wasn't to be.) And while I didn't see the play in detail, I would
have at least entertained Steeler claims that the touchdown that was
called back was a bad call.
When much of the country (as shown by the poll results posted above)
agreed with me about the officiating, it has to make you wonder if its
not just *you*. And claims of "Steeler envy" nationwide are
ridiculous--an entire generation could have grown up, graduated from
college and started a family between Steeler Super Bowl victories. To
anyone under 30 outside of Pittsburgh, their entire frame of reference
regarding the Steelers was that one tainted victory--the earlier
history of the Steelers would have about as much relevance as the
Brooklyn Dodgers would have to my generation.
Patrick Volk
wrote:
>On Jan 19, 11:52 am, "Brian Allen" <b...@blah.com> wrote:
>> > The OP brought it up, and has to accept the fact that most (75%) NFL
>> > fans believe the "one for the thumb" carries a huge asterisk.
>>
>> 50% of statistics are pulled out of peoples' asses.
>>
>> > Take
>> > away the bad calls--Rothlisberger's phantom touchdown,
>>
>> He broke the plane.
>>
>> > the ticky tack
>> > OPI in the endzone,
>>
>> He pushed off.
>>
>> > the "illegal block" on Hasselback,
>>
>> The same call was made in the regular season against the Steelers versus the
>> Colts.
>>
>> > etc., and the
>> > Steelers may still have won, but we will never know, will we?
>>
>> The calls were all correct. Anything else?
>>
>> > A travesty that every real Steeler fan understands and has to live
>> > with.
>>
>> Yeah, it's tough living with highlights and such from a championship team.
>>
>> > The most controversial and ill-officiated championship game
>> > since the 1972 US-USSR Olympic gold medal basketball game.
>>
>> Hyperbolize much? Seriously, your post has been done before and done
>> better.
>
>Sure, and your "is not, is too" rebuttal doesn't change what 3 out of
>4 fans watching the game know is true.
Are these the same "fans" who were arguing about Jackson's catch being
inbounds because he hit the pylon?
>
>I said this at the time, and I'll say it again:
>
>If the Steelers had won that game fair and square, I would have given
>them their props as one of the best teams of all time. I grew up
>loving the Steelers, the great teams of Lambert, Greene, Bradshaw and
>Swan--I saw the Immaculate Reception live and almost jumped through
>the ceiling as the hated Raiders took it on the chin.
You would rather grasp at officiating calls. I would've sworn
Roethligberger was in (curious how the complainers posted pictures
well after the forward progress).
The same grasping that doesn't dispute the OPI, but that the ref
waited a 'suspicious' amount of time before reaching for the flag.
In the meantime, you'd rather not talk about the atrocious clock
management, the missed field goals, and the big plays given up.
Bad fans blame the refs, because they can't accept their team got
outplayed.
>
>But SBXL, and the incessant inability of Steeler apologists like you
>to admit that the Seahawks got screwed has made me and a lot of other
>fans who formerly rooted for the Steelers very bitter. Admit that you
>got away with one, and maybe the rest of the country would look upon
>the Steeler nation as a group with integrity, instead of bunch of
>mindless homers.
The Seahawks screwed themselves. I doubt you were a steeler fan...
ever.
>
>I still have that game Tivo'd and periodically I pull it up and show
>the controversial calls in slo mo frame by frame to guys who didn't
>have a dog in that fight--I have yet to find someone who didn't feel
>the calls were bad, and were obvious momentum breakers that came at
>crucial points during the game.
Ah, but we're the homers... Do you freeze the Roethligberger TD 2
seconds after Tatupu contacted him, and not before where he has the
ball high up on his chest, over the goal line?
One thing the whiners gloss over is, on the OPI call, the next play
was a run (for a loss), run, incompletion, followed by the field goal.
Same thing happened to the Steelers in the game. They got sacked, and
then passed to Ward at the 3.
Even Holmgren couldn't admit he screwed up the clock.
Second offensive play in the second half, 75 yard TD run... I know,
thanks to the *cheating* refs... uh-huh... riiight. Whatever.
>
>In the next two weeks as the media beats the crap out of every angle
>including what Warner and Rothlisberger eat for dinner and where they
>buy their gas, some sharp will pull up footage of SBXL and go over the
>disputed calls. Take off your black and gold tinted glasses, look
>again, and realize what everyone else in the country knew four years
>ago. Don't expect the NFL to talk about it on their network or during
>the pre-game--its a black mark they'd prefer to forget about and sweep
>under the rug.
>
Hell, ESPN is digging up 2-year-old stories about a doctor associated
with the Steelers buying HGH who was let go. He didn't have any new
information, and says that the $150,000 he bought from a medical
company had a "street value" of a million dollars.
Hey, it's easier to talk about how "we wuz robbed" than try and be
competitive...
Maybe there's not much to dispute. You can poll the yutzes all you
want, it doesn't change that. Learn the rules!
Patrick Volk
wrote:
>On Jan 19, 3:33 pm, Zaphod Beeblebrox <victor.ki...@verizon.net>
Ah, so it wasn't necessarily the calls, it was when they happened. So
they're not supposed to call egregious fouls because they can change
the game.
LOL!
>
>And just about every penalty came at a critical juncture--nullifying a
>good play, eliminating good field position, taking away points.
>
>I am guessing most Steelers fans had their beer goggles on during the
>game, and won't accept what every one else in the country knew was
>true.
Hardly. I TiVo'ed the Ben TD, and saw it. The positioning on the OPI
made it pretty obvious (both arms, the defender jumping back).
One thing I argued is, last time we played the Ravens, there was a
controversial TD. You'd be amazed how many people don't know the
difference between the goal line, and a dead-ball line.
Best part was, there was a very similar situation in the HS state
championship game. QB scramble (in double OT), got tripped. His legs
cross the goal line. No TD, because the ball didn't.
Ref gave the wrong explaination, but ultimately the right call (they
saw ball over plane, and two feet down). If his feet are in bounds,
it's where the ball is.
You know how many homers argued that
(:54) (No Huddle) M.Hasselbeck pass incomplete to D.Jackson. Ball
caught out-of-bounds.
Timeout #1 by PIT at 00:48.
2nd and 10 at PIT 40 (:48) S.Alexander left tackle to PIT 36 for 4
yards (B.Keisel).
Timeout #2 by PIT at 00:13.
3rd and 6 at PIT 36 (:13) M.Hasselbeck pass incomplete to D.Jackson.
Ball caught out-of-bounds.
4th and 6 at PIT 36 (:07) J.Brown 54 yard field goal is No Good, Wide
Right, Center-J.Darche, Holder-T.Rouen
The first play was actually in-bounds because he hit the pylon with
his foot.
Start a petition, why don't you....
Patrick Volk
<j0...@comcast.net> wrote:
Too funny... Waaaaaah!
>
>MIME-Version: 1.0
Bruce Harper
have the balls to do it, but he was still able to post this:
> When much of the country (as shown by the poll results posted above)
> agreed with me about the officiating, it has to make you wonder if its
> not just *you*. And claims of "Steeler envy" nationwide are
> ridiculous--an entire generation could have grown up, graduated from
> college and started a family between Steeler Super Bowl victories. To
> anyone under 30 outside of Pittsburgh, their entire frame of reference
> regarding the Steelers was that one tainted victory--the earlier
> history of the Steelers would have about as much relevance as the
> Brooklyn Dodgers would have to my generation.
OK, so you've whined all day -- tell us how you would fix this. You want
Stiller fans to boycott this Super Bowl? You want the NFL to nullify the
win over the Seahawks, or revise history and award the Seahawks the
trophy? Or do you just want to be disgruntled and get your jollies by
trying to make the Stillers and their fans look bad?
Patrick Volk
<mcgri...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>Want objective?
>
>OK, then here's some for you:
>
>http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/columns/story?columnist=smithmichael&id=2320683
He drank the NE Kool-aid. Doesn't really describe anything.
>
>http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/oconnor/2006-02-06-oconnor-xl_x.htm
Love how every reporter used the term of the announcing crew...
ticky-tack. News flash, ticky-tack fouls are still considered fouls.
Next, they'll be saying how the face mask was a ticky-tack call.
>
>http://www.patsfans.com/bob/display_story.php?story_id=2933
Heh... No push, no mention of the defender getting backed up.
>
>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1682568/posts
Appeal to public opinion.
>
>http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/100317
They're interviewing Seattle people...
>
>http://www.slate.com/id/2135435/
John Madden don't hate the Steelers.... no.... (Immaculate Reception)
Let me know when you get those objective links... I'm curious to see
the non-partisan side.
Patrick Volk
wrote:
>On Jan 19, 12:04 pm, "Rocky" <some...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> unklbob wrote:
>> > On Jan 19, 10:55 am, "Brian Allen" <b...@blah.com> wrote:
>> >>> SuperBowl XL was certainly a "gift", courtesy of the referees.
>>
>> >> Wow, we just found a timewarp to February '06! Pile in, fellas!
>>
>> > The OP brought it up, and has to accept the fact that most (75%) NFL
>> > fans believe the "one for the thumb" carries a huge asterisk. Take
>> > away the bad calls--Rothlisberger's phantom touchdown, the ticky tack
>> > OPI in the endzone, the "illegal block" on Hasselback, etc., and the
>> > Steelers may still have won, but we will never know, will we?
>>
>> > A travesty that every real Steeler fan understands and has to live
>> > with. The most controversial and ill-officiated championship game
>> > since the 1972 US-USSR Olympic gold medal basketball game.
>>
>> (Cross posting deleted)
>>
>> Sorry uncle bob but you're wrong, we don't "understand and have to live
>> with" your fantasy of the Steelers winning SB XL because of the officiating.
>> What you and many others (but certainly not 75% of all NFL fans) fail to
>> address is the bad calls that went both ways in that game. The Steelers did
>> benefit from more of them, we know that, but not game deciding ones. The
>> officials didn't let Willie Parker run for 75 yards from the line of
>> scrimmage on a single play. The Steelers won that game, and it's not tainted
>> by the poor excuses the NFL calls refs for any of us. Your whining and
>> crying, three years later, just continue to bring a smile to our faces!
>>
>> Prior to SB XL I didn't have much of an opinion on the Seahawks one way or
>> another. No one really did, because they sucked and didn't ever pose any
>> real interest to anyone outside of their few fans. When they made it to the
>> SB I was happy for their fans and the team, and that only changed after I
>> saw what whiny little pansies their fans, coaches and QB really are. That's
>> something YOU have to live with, and we'll continue to celebrate being fans
>> of the greatest franchies in the NFL.
>>
>> :-)
>
>Funny thing is, all the "whiners" you speak of weren't remotely
>confined to Seattle. They included Viking fans, Patriot fans, Charger
>fans, Dolphin fans, Redskin fans, 49er fans, Titans fans, ad
>infinitum. Unless you were a hillbilly from WV or had black lung
>disease, or were laid off by Bethlahem and managed to scrape up the
>scratch to buy some trailer in a Florida swamp you "whined", because
>you knew that the either the refs were exceedingly incompetent that
>day, or if you were a conspiracy buff thought that the fix was in--
>what a huge shot in the arm to NFL coffers for another Pittsburgh win!
>
>Its also funny that you decide to attack Seattle and its team when
>last I checked, ESPN, USA TODAY, CNN, SI, and The Sporting News are
>not located there, yet columns from all of those respected sources
>attacked the officiating of that game. Polls from those same sources
>showed that an overwhelming majority outside of northern Appalachia
>felt the same way.
>
How did the announcers announce it? John Madden ain't biased against
the Steelers, heck no! Funny how the term ticky-tack was used, and
everybody was saying the calls were ticky-tack.
I don't know, when I look at penalties, I generally look at how it
could've been called that way (I'm not popular on my soccer team when
I say I would've given you a yellow card for that tackle myself). I
don't see what I want to see.
I'm amazed how many people don't understand the rules. They're
generally called when it affects the play (generally how it works in
hockey, soccer, and football).
The pushoff looked pretty obvious (two people together, a pushing
motion, and they go in opposite directions.. Why would the ref come to
a conclusion that a pushoff occurred?) . Argue they're not supposed to
call it because it takes a TD away, then you get into silly-land. Like
I said, we had an OPI call, and we got a TD on the drive. Seattle got
a field goal. It was downhill from there.
Fact is, neither team really wanted it. Seattle wanted it less.
Pittsburgh got a few big plays, and that was the difference.
I don't care how many polls you come up with. Not proof.
Bryon Lape
0fb856...@z27g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
> On Jan 19, 12:12 am, Bill Cable <billca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> One thing strikes me as a big difference between the '05 Steelers and
>> the '08 Steelers..
>>
>> In '05, I didn't expect them to win in the post season. Every
>> victory, while not exactly a "surprise," was something of a gift.
>
> SuperBowl XL was certainly a "gift", courtesy of the referees.
It was, but Stealer fans are too small to admit it.
Jefferson N. Glapski
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On Jan 19, 12:49 pm, "Jefferson N. Glapski"
<jeffersonWE...@PENNSTATEglapski.com> wrote:
> "unklbob" <mcgrisw...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a4ccd3e9-543d-417c...@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 19, 11:52 am, "Brian Allen" <b...@blah.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > The OP brought it up, and has to accept the fact that most (75%) NFL
> > > fans believe the "one for the thumb" carries a huge asterisk.
>
>
> > > away the bad calls--Rothlisberger's phantom touchdown,
>
>
> > > the ticky tack
> > > OPI in the endzone,
>
>
> > > the "illegal block" on Hasselback,
>
> > the
> > Colts.
>
> > > Steelers may still have won, but we will never know, will we?
>
>
> > > with.
>
> > team.
>
> > > since the 1972 US-USSR Olympic gold medal basketball game.
>
> > better.
>
> Sure, and your "is not, is too" rebuttal doesn't change what 3 out of
> 4 fans watching the game know is true.
>
>
> If the Steelers had won that game fair and square, I would have given
> them their props as one of the best teams of all time. I grew up
> loving the Steelers, the great teams of Lambert, Greene, Bradshaw and
> Swan--I saw the Immaculate Reception live and almost jumped through
> the ceiling as the hated Raiders took it on the chin.
>
> to admit that the Seahawks got screwed has made me and a lot of other
> fans who formerly rooted for the Steelers very bitter. Admit that you
> got away with one, and maybe the rest of the country would look upon
> the Steeler nation as a group with integrity, instead of bunch of
> mindless homers.
>
> the controversial calls in slo mo frame by frame to guys who didn't
> have a dog in that fight--I have yet to find someone who didn't feel
> the calls were bad, and were obvious momentum breakers that came at
> crucial points during the game.
>
>
> Raiders fans still consider the Immaculate Reception to be poorly reffed,
> even though it has been verified that some Ohio State Thug touched the
> ball
> first. It was verified on a Physics journal. That is less controversial
> than
> any call in XL.
>
> The Steelers were fucked out of two fumbles that game.
>
> Offensive interference is a penalty.
>
> What else are you whining about?
I am not whining about Texas, Oklahoma, Florida or USC being ranked
higher than my school, that's for damn sure.
I am talking about real life true facts stuff.
-----------------
I'm not whining about any of those schools being ranked higher than my
school, either.
You aren't talking about real life true facts if you ignore two fumbles,
offensive PI and the fact that you need a better TV capable of telling that
Ben had crossed the plane.
Jefferson N. Glapski
>
> to complete strangers and taking their opinions as facts.
Not really, Brian.
Everyone I've shown the game to has been a football fan, and since I
was living in Detroit during SBXL, I was the only Seahawk fan I knew
============
Case closed.
You're a shithawk fan.
Care to argue about a game not decided by two TDs?
Jefferson N. Glapski
On Jan 19, 3:33 pm, Zaphod Beeblebrox <victor.ki...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> Disculpa Senora unklbob, pero did you really mime the following on
> 1/19/2009 3:19 PM???
>
>
>
> >>> I am talking about real life true facts stuff.
> >> No you're not. You're talking about showing Tivo footage of a random
> >> game
> >> to complete strangers and taking their opinions as facts.
>
> > Not really, Brian.
>
> > Everyone I've shown the game to has been a football fan, and since I
> > was living in Detroit during SBXL, I was the only Seahawk fan I knew
--------------------
Polls that Seahawks NGs votebomb? I wish Ron Paul had won the election, but
those polls were inaccurate. And aside from Mike Holmgrem's whining, I
haven't seen any serious complaint.
I have seen lots of Seahawks fans whine about it, but never in person oddly
enough.
Slick's a fan of the Old Brownies. Same thing as a Seahawk fan for that
game.
Everyone else in the country? Sure.
Jefferson N. Glapski
On Jan 19, 3:55 pm, unklbob <mcgrisw...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jan 19, 3:33 pm, Zaphod Beeblebrox <victor.ki...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> You know I don't feel that way in general, but SBXL was a special
> case, and most fans agreed with me.
that it's the only time we'll see seattle have a shot at the top spot
for a loooooong time, hence the bitterness and sour grapes from the
pacific NW.
Even if you winnow out the
> Seahawk homers (if Slick was a Seahawk fan, for instance) and the
> Pittsburgh haters, according to the post game polls anywhere from 2/3
are you kidding about slick and his feeling towards the steelers?
Come on now.
------------------
You know you've lost an argument when Appealing to Slick (a logical fallacy)
is employed.
Jefferson N. Glapski
On Jan 19, 3:55 pm, unklbob <mcgrisw...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jan 19, 3:33 pm, Zaphod Beeblebrox <victor.ki...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Seahawk homers (if Slick was a Seahawk fan, for instance) and the
> Pittsburgh haters, according to the post game polls anywhere from 2/3
> wasn't just bad calls, but calls that occurred at critical points in
> the game. Here's a team that is tied for the least amount of
> penalties in the regular season, and they rack up 3/4 of the penalties
> in the SB?
>
> good play, eliminating good field position, taking away points.
>
> I am guessing most Steelers fans had their beer goggles on during the
> game, and won't accept what every one else in the country knew was
> true.
Let me add this: I probably hate Orrygun only marginally more than
Oklahoma, but would you agree with me that OU got hosed during its
last meeting with the Ducks? Likewise, did you hear me crying my eyes
out when Locker got penalized for excessive celebration in the last
seconds of the UW BYU game? No, you didn't despite the fact that I
bleed purple and gold.
---------------
You do admit to bleeding teal, green, UCLA blue and gray and whatever other
colors the Seahawks are.
But no, you're not biased in the least.
Jefferson N. Glapski
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================
The interesting thing is Locklear's hold only became problematic because of
Madden, a Raider coach and lifelong Steeler hater, said it wasn't. He still
thinks the Immaculate Reception was cheating, too.
Jefferson N. Glapski
============
My favorite is the logic that you can't have a hold and a sack on the same
play.
Jefferson N. Glapski
----------------------
2 fumbles.
Jefferson N. Glapski
Want objective?
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?page=thepulse060206
Do you think officiating mistakes affected the outcome of Super Bowl XL?
(103,167 votes)
61.7% Yes
38.2% No
There you go.
Jefferson N. Glapski
news:0525016c-91c1-45bf...@w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com...
=================
Do you think officiating mistakes affected the outcome of Super Bowl XL?
(103,167 votes)
61.7% Yes
38.2% No
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?page=thepulse060206
That's a minority, and it was certainly well-stuffed by Seahawk fans.
Jefferson N. Glapski
> >>> SuperBowl XL was certainly a "gift", courtesy of the referees.
>
>
> > away the bad calls--Rothlisberger's phantom touchdown, the ticky tack
> > OPI in the endzone, the "illegal block" on Hasselback, etc., and the
> > Steelers may still have won, but we will never know, will we?
>
> > since the 1972 US-USSR Olympic gold medal basketball game.
>
---------------------
Yes, those have been the only ones whining.
Rocky
Big difference between giving "the business" to Steeler fans you know and
doing it with random people at the stadium during the Super Bowl... don't
you think?
I do agree, fighting over a game is stupid, especially when we're just fans
and not actually playing in the game. That doesn't change the fact that it
happens, all too often. But maybe I misjudged you on that one, so as you
suggest I'll lighten up! Peace.
unklbob
> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:29:23 -0800 (PST), unklbob <mcgrisw...@aol.com>
OJ's criminal defense team would have loved you on their jury.
Bill Cable
<jeffersonWE...@PENNSTATEglapski.com> wrote:
> Last night, The Ravens played like crap,
I'm sure the Steelers' defense had absolutely nothing to do with
that... *sigh*
> but towards the end of the
> game they were only down by two points and had the opportunity to
> drive down the field and kick the go ahead field goal. Had they done
> that, and held on to win, I would have told any Baltimore fan that
> they were lucky as hell given how they played.
Their game plan was to stay close and wear down the Steelers' defense,
towards an eventual come-from-behind victory. That's how they play on
offense in the hopes of shielding Flaco. It's how they played all
year. And it was close to working Sunday, if not for a fantastic play
by Polamalu. The Steelers just did a better job through the first
three quarters preventing them from doing anything at all on offense
than I think the Ravens anticipated.
> (Thanks the USC thug,
> it wasn't to be.) And while I didn't see the play in detail, I would
> have at least entertained Steeler claims that the touchdown that was
> called back was a bad call.
It was the right call, and pretty obvious in slow-mo. Though I would
like to see some clarification on it. A touchdown is scored as soon
as the ball crosses the goal line. Why if a player catches it in the
field of play and falls into the end zone must he retain control after
he hits the ground? I thought a TD was possession and crossing the
line. If he caught it at the 10, danced into the end zone, and had
the ball fall out of his hands after it crossed the goal line, but
before he stepped into the end zone, I think it would still be a TD.
So what's the difference?
> When much of the country (as shown by the poll results posted above)
>
> =================
>
> Do you think officiating mistakes affected the outcome of Super Bowl XL?
> (103,167 votes)
> 61.7% Yes
> 38.2% No
>
> http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?page=thepulse060206
>
> That's a minority, and it was certainly well-stuffed by Seahawk fans.
Online polls are worse than useless... they're blatantly corrupt.
--
Bill Cable - Steelers Fan & Star Wars Collector
http://CreatureCantina.com <----- funny!
ca...@creaturecantina.com
unklbob
Well, first of all, I have to admit I am guilty of projection--the
Steeler fans didn't officiate the game but there is no
alt.sports.football.pro.NFL-referees, AFAIK.
I realize what a huge deal Steeler football is to people in Western
PA, (parts of ) Eastern Ohio, Kentucky and West VA., but you've got to
understand where *I* am coming from. I am a Space Needle/747
Seattlite, not a Starbucks/Microsoft/Amazon Seattlite. In my lifetime
my town has won *1* professional championship, the 1979 NBA title. I
watched the the Mariners win 116 games but lose to the boutique
pitching staff of the Yankees in the ALCS. During the years Jordan
was playing baseball, the Sonics won 62 games one year and 57 the
next, but lost (despite having a winning record against every NBA
team) in the first round because Gary Payton "was trippin'". During
the Seahawks AFC years they made it to the playoffs regularly under
Chuck Knox, but lost some heartbreaking (but undisputed) games.
I watched the Seahawks get sold to a California realtor who did
everything in his power to emasculate the team so he could trigger an
attendance based escape clause so he could move the team to L.A.
And, although it is not a professional sport, I watched my 1991 UW
Husky football team, one of the most dominant college football teams I
have ever seen be forced to share a national championship with a
vastly inferior Miami team, thanks to East Coast AP voters.
So when my 12-4 Seahawks beat Carolina decisively, shut down Steve
Smith--I ponied up the equivalent of two mortgage payments and headed
down to Ford Field. I was surrounded by black and gold--Steeler fans
probably outnumbered us 4-1 at least. The guys around me were a good
bunch of guys, no one there was an asshole, and we bantered back and
forth the whole game. Even though there were few of us, you Steelers
got a taste of how loud Seattle fans can be. If you were there, you
know what I am talking about.
The Steelers couldn't do a damn thing. Three and out twice, while the
Seahawks moved the ball well with a good mix of pass and run. Your
loudmouth Porter was essentially shut down by the Seahawk OL, despite
his big talk before the game, and the guys around me started to look a
little sick. Eventually the Hawks work their way down into the red
zone--I see our receiver hand fighting with the Steeler defender, he
gets grabbed twice, but wiggles away, the pass comes--TD! A few
seconds later, the flag comes out, and I am thinking, we'll decline it
of course. Suddenly the ref announces OPI and the entire Seahawk
faithful jump to their feet and boo. The guys around me look like
they've been pulled back from a precipice--dodged a bullet.
And on it went. When Rothlisberger made his dive, I was on the phone
to a buddy of mine in Seattle who said he never made it, but the Ford
Field people didn't show the replay. (When I saw Ben on Letterman a
few days later, I almost puked). Seahawks would make a big play and
the flag comes out, again and again. When Stevens finally caught a
ball inside the five, I knew that Shaun wouldn't be denied the
endzone--it was as good as gold, but out comes another flag.
I left that place not with the hollow empty feeling one has when their
team is beat, but feeling angry and ripped off. I couldn't watch the
Tivo for three days until I had calmed down, and in the interim the
national press had a field day with the officiating.
For the rest of the country who agreed with the Seahawk faithful that
bad officiating affected the outcome of the game, this is ancient
history, and is forgotten. For a Seattle fan like me, who has been to
the mountain but couldn't make it to the top so many times, it was a
bitterness I'll take to my grave.
So those of you who say its all sour grapes--I'm not on the Yankee
group complaining about the umpiring in the 2000 ALCS, I'm not on the
Denver Nugget group complaining about '92 NBA playoffs, I am not on
the Chicago group complaining about the Bulls/Sonics final--why would
I? All those games were fairly played and the other teams won fair
and square. Those losses bother me, but not like this.
You Steeler fans know what it is like to live and die with a team--you
might have blinders on in regards to that SB, but at least appreciate
what Seattle fans are feeling, and will feel, the rest of their lives.
Bruce Harper
> You Steeler fans know what it is like to live and die with a team--you
> might have blinders on in regards to that SB, but at least appreciate
> what Seattle fans are feeling, and will feel, the rest of their lives.
Yeah, yeah, nice long post about why you are bitter, but you still
haven't explained what you want to do to "fix" that SB game that you
feel was so screwed up.
Bruce in Blacksburg (but a native of the 'Burgh)
Matt Davis
this was cross-posted and is still cross-posted by a troll. Nothing we can
do about that. The score still remains the same and Seattle still lost.
Here's to you having a long-life to live with the results. :)
"unklbob" <mcgri...@aol.com> wrote in message
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James Gibson
>
>
>
>
>
> > > The OP brought it up, and has to accept the fact that most (75%) NFL
> > > fans believe the "one for the thumb" carries a huge asterisk.
>
>
> > > away the bad calls--Rothlisberger's phantom touchdown,
>
Even if he didn't, how do we know how the game would have progressed
from that point? Maybe the Steelers score a TD on 4th down. Maybe
Seattle, having to start from their 1 cm line, gets sacked in the
endzone, Pittsburgh gets a safetly and then returns the free kick for
a TD. I've seen lots of failed TDs near the endzone that have worked
out a drive later.
unklbob
<jeffersonWE...@PENNSTATEglapski.com> wrote:
I know you are mildly retarded, but those numbers seem to support my
position. You know as well as I do that that poll had a breakdown by
state, and the number of votes from Washington state weren't
significantly higher than anywhere else.
unklbob
> On Jan 20, 2:36 am, "Jefferson N. Glapski"
>
> <jeffersonWE...@PENNSTATEglapski.com> wrote:
> > Last night, The Ravens played like crap,
>
> I'm sure the Steelers' defense had absolutely nothing to do with
> that... *sigh*
Don't be silly. The Steelers have one of the best defenses in the
league. But given Balmer's dearth of offense, they'v got to execute
the rare open play when it occurs--they didn't.
If its flat numbers that's true, but most of the polls I saw had a
breakdown by state. The better polls (ESPN, SI) record your IP and
don't let you re-vote from that IP.
Not totally infallible, but reasonably accurate.
Do your own google search--there's plenty of commentary from across
the nation that supports my position.
unklbob
> Hey Unk, why come into the Steelers NG to cry? Keep it in Seattle. I can see
> this was cross-posted and is still cross-posted by a troll. Nothing we can
> do about that. The score still remains the same and Seattle still lost.
> Here's to you having a long-life to live with the results. :)
>
So what if I x-posted it? Its not like its OT here or in either group
I added. Besides, the only people who have joined from those groups
are Steeler fans and morons like Glapski. Besides, I didn't come in
here to start a fight, just to check up on what you guys were saying
about the upcoming trip to the Super Bowl. When the OP said he felt
like every victory from '05 was a "gift", I couldn't resist a little
dig.
If no one had replied, I probably wouldn't have pursued it.
Anthony Summers
> Husky football team, one of the most dominant college football teams I
> have ever seen be forced to share a national championship with a
> vastly inferior Miami team, thanks to East Coast AP voters.
With all due respect, the above sort of nonsense is exactly what
marginalizes the whining West Coast sports fans.
"vastly inferior"? Get serious.
(Note: I despise Miami as a football program.)
--
A. Summers || summerstorm0007-->at<--yahoo.com
unklbob
Whatever, Bruce.
Unless there is a deathbed confession from one of the refs that the
fix was in, there's not much I can do, save help you Steeler fans keep
a check on your hubris over the results of that contest.
unklbob
A team like that 91 UW team comes around rarely. Miami has had teams
like that--among the best of all time--but the 1991 Miami team was not
one of them.
Besides, you were still sucking at your mama's teat in 91, so what the
hell do you know?
Tad Perry
"Brian Allen" <bl...@blah.com> wrote in message
news:pd2dl.16801$Ew6....@newsfe22.iad...
> > The OP brought it up, and has to accept the fact that most (75%) NFL
> > fans believe the "one for the thumb" carries a huge asterisk.
>
> 50% of statistics are pulled out of peoples' asses.
>
> > Take
> > away the bad calls--Rothlisberger's phantom touchdown,
>
> He broke the plane.
As for me, I'm not going to be one of those Seahawk fans that holds a grudge
forever, but as for this touchdown thing: A molecule or two of the tip of
the ball may well have crossed the goal line. If so, then it really is a
touchdown. No argument. But it would be nice if the other side admitted that
even given that, this would have to count as probably the closest touchdown
in the history of the league. (But you can all pretend that he ran it out of
the back of the endzone if you want.) My stance has always been: some of the
calls were highly debatable and controversial, but the Seahawks *still* had
a chance to win that game and failed to do so. If we had won, it would have
been indisputable. As it is, bitching, whining, and arguing over details
will never turn that loss into a win.
tvp
Anthony Summers
> On Jan 20, 3:45 pm, Anthony Summers <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:23:33 -0800 (PST), unklbob wrote...
> > > Husky football team, one of the most dominant college football teams I
> > > have ever seen be forced to share a national championship with a
> > > vastly inferior Miami team, thanks to East Coast AP voters.
> >
> > With all due respect, the above sort of nonsense is exactly what
> > marginalizes the whining West Coast sports fans.
> >
> > "vastly inferior"? Get serious.
> >
> > (Note: I despise Miami as a football program.)
> >
> > --
> > A. Summers || summerstorm0007-->at<--yahoo.com
>
> A team like that 91 UW team comes around rarely. Miami has had teams
> like that--among the best of all time--but the 1991 Miami team was not
> one of them.
Ah, so... the AP, Eck, Football Research, National Championship
Foundation, New York Times, and Sporting News were all in cahoots
against the mighty Washington Huskies, eh? All just bias, was it?
> Besides, you were still sucking at your mama's teat in 91, so what the
> hell do you know?
Come now... you can do better than to employ such a fallacy. (Besides,
I'm not from West Virginia... I was 18 in 1991, you prevert!)
Jaybyrd
Is THAT why all those people think the 69ers are the best ever in
2006?
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Re: '05 Steelers v/s '08 Steelers
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Date: Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 10:23am
From: unklbob <mcgri...@aol.com>
On Jan 19, 10:48�pm, Bruce Harper <vtweb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's not that unklbob did not know how to juggle, he just didn't have
the balls to do it, but he was still able to post this:
When much of the country (as shown by the poll results posted above)
agreed with me about the officiating, it has to make you wonder if its
not just *you*. �And claims of "Steeler envy" nationwide are
ridiculous--an entire generation could have grown up, graduated from
college and started a family between Steeler Super Bowl victories.
�To anyone under 30 outside of Pittsburgh, their entire frame of
Aw, blow it our yer pompous ass. There were judgment calls that could
have gone either way in SB 40. But Roethlisberger was blatantly clipped
on the INT return, and that wasn't called. If it had been, the Hawks
wouldn't have gotten close enough to get even the field goal.
As far as the NFL not talking too much about the game because it didn't
want to blacken the sport, that is pure bullshit. Why would they want to
cover it up? Did baseball cover up Mark McGwire and Barry Bonds? And
Pete Rose? If there are scandals/improprieties, major sports
organizations will go out of their way to expose them, not cover them
up.
Schmuck!.
Matt Davis
So you admit your a troll! I guess you missed the left handed compliment
that I gave you.
Matt Davis
Dude, get a life. The Seahags lost! Nothing you write is going to change
that. By the way, the same survey if taken in PA would say that everything
was just fine with the officiating! Now go blow it out your ass. I'll bet
your a real drag; especially when you're out with family. I doubt if you
have any friends. Again, I hope you have a long life to continue your
whining ways! Bottom line, you have NO LIFE!
Matt Davis
So, you're trying to prove Tropic Thunder incorrect and show that you CAN go
full retard!
Attaboy! Something that Seattle can be truly proud of. The first FULL
RETARD...unklbob!!!
Tank McGee
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>
> As for me, I'm not going to be one of those Seahawk fans that holds a
> grudge forever, but as for this touchdown thing: A molecule or two of
> the tip of the ball may well have crossed the goal line.
LOL! Still whining no matter how you spin it.
Tad Perry
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Are you telling me that you can't even admit that it was extremely close?
Because it was close, my friend. Oh, yes, it was close.
tvp
John Peterson
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There's no doubt that the quarterback sneak TD was close. The ref ruled a
TD, and there wasn't enough video evidence to overturn it. That's how close
it was. I personally don't think that the ball crossed the plane.
Jefferson N. Glapski
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Sure. But I wasn't the tool claiming a vast majority of Seahawks fans
thought it changed XL. It didn't. But when that's your only time going, I
guess they have to whine.
Jefferson N. Glapski
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That poll doesn't support your position. A majority think that the Steelers
destroyed your Shithawks.
And what online polls don't do is measure geographic concentration. That's
why the Montreal Canadiens somehow swept into the NHL All Star game.
Compare those paltry numbers with numbers of actual robberies - like the
Sabres in 1999 or Roy Jones Jr. in Seoul. No contest.
Jefferson N. Glapski
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38.2 support your position. You claimed a majority. In the real world,
that's nowhere close to a majority.
That poll didn't have a breakdown by state.
Jefferson N. Glapski
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Central and Eastern PA too, as well as everywhere.
You don't realize what a big deal Stiller football is.
So when my 12-4 Seahawks beat Carolina decisively, shut down Steve
Smith--I ponied up the equivalent of two mortgage payments and headed
down to Ford Field. I was surrounded by black and gold--Steeler fans
probably outnumbered us 4-1 at least. The guys around me were a good
bunch of guys, no one there was an asshole, and we bantered back and
forth the whole game. Even though there were few of us, you Steelers
got a taste of how loud Seattle fans can be. If you were there, you
know what I am talking about.
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Why didn't we hear or see you on the TV then?
And on it went. When Rothlisberger made his dive, I was on the phone
to a buddy of mine in Seattle who said he never made it, but the Ford
Field people didn't show the replay. (When I saw Ben on Letterman a
few days later, I almost puked). Seahawks would make a big play and
the flag comes out, again and again. When Stevens finally caught a
ball inside the five, I knew that Shaun wouldn't be denied the
endzone--it was as good as gold, but out comes another flag.
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Perhaps you shouldn't be on the phone during the football game next time. He
broke the plane.
I left that place not with the hollow empty feeling one has when their
team is beat, but feeling angry and ripped off. I couldn't watch the
Tivo for three days until I had calmed down, and in the interim the
national press had a field day with the officiating.
You Steeler fans know what it is like to live and die with a team--you
might have blinders on in regards to that SB, but at least appreciate
what Seattle fans are feeling, and will feel, the rest of their lives.
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You don't know what it is like to have your team lose because of refereeing.
Have the rules of the sport changed because of shitty calls against the
Seahawks? No. Why do you suppose that is?
Meanwhile, the NHL changes its replay rules after fucking up in 1999, and
the Big Ten introduces instant replay after fucking up in 2002.
And when the Sabres were fucked by the NHL, there was actually extended
coverage. That didn't happen in the Super Bowl. It wasn't like a bad call
happened on the last play of the game (they were actually imagined shitty
calls). And I watched the replay again and again and again.
Jefferson N. Glapski
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I have a proposal. He apologizes for insulting the 2005 Steelers.
Jefferson N. Glapski
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Fuck you you didn't start a fight.
Gift? The only gift was letting the Colts back into the game with two
interceptions against Manning that weren't called.
Next time, worry about a game you don't lose by 2 TD.
Anthony Summers
> That poll doesn't support your position. A majority think that the Steelers
> destroyed your Shithawks.
Am I the only one who finds it curious that Jefferson supports or has
supported:
- the Philadelphia 76ers
- the Philadelphia Phillies
- the Philadelphia Stars, for fuxake...
...and:
- the Pittsburgh Steelers?
Question for you, Glapski: by your own words a long time ago, you were a
Cowboys fan until they headed into the toilet. What led you to go
against your usual Philadelphia bent and choose the Steelers?
Anthony Summers
> 38.2 support your position. You claimed a majority. In the real world,
> that's nowhere close to a majority.
>
> That poll didn't have a breakdown by state.
A bit more data from that article:
Do you think the official made the right call on Darrell Jackson's
offensive pass interference in the endzone, negating a Seattle touchdown
in the first quarter? (118,130 votes)
73.8% No
20.5% Yes
5.7% I'm not sure
Do you think the official made the right call on Sean Locklear's holding
penalty in the fourth quarter, negating an 18-yard reception to the one-
yard line by Jerramy Stevens? (118,130 votes)
74.3% No
15.3% Yes
10.4% I'm not sure
Tad Perry
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I can see where one or two molecules might have...
tvp
Patrick Volk
wrote:
>
>Well, first of all, I have to admit I am guilty of projection--the
>Steeler fans didn't officiate the game but there is no
>alt.sports.football.pro.NFL-referees, AFAIK.
>
>I realize what a huge deal Steeler football is to people in Western
>PA, (parts of ) Eastern Ohio, Kentucky and West VA., but you've got to
>understand where *I* am coming from. I am a Space Needle/747
>Seattlite, not a Starbucks/Microsoft/Amazon Seattlite. In my lifetime
>my town has won *1* professional championship, the 1979 NBA title. I
>watched the the Mariners win 116 games but lose to the boutique
>pitching staff of the Yankees in the ALCS. During the years Jordan
>was playing baseball, the Sonics won 62 games one year and 57 the
>next, but lost (despite having a winning record against every NBA
>team) in the first round because Gary Payton "was trippin'". During
>the Seahawks AFC years they made it to the playoffs regularly under
>Chuck Knox, but lost some heartbreaking (but undisputed) games.
I'm 7 miles from the stadium. Lived here all but 3 of my 42 years.
Since I've been a kid, Pittsburgh teams (in the NFC, I'm a Lions fan,
had a lot of cousins there). Big on the Pens (and endured quite a bit.
I remember being up on the Isles 3-1, and losing the series). The
Superbowls were when I was young. My dad never was into baseball too
much.
I went to a lot of high school games (my Mom worked the concessions).
I did a lot of official-type stuff as a kid, and am looking forward to
being a ref. Played soccer in college (little bit of hockey, my high
school didn't have a team in either). Even in college, we'd go watch
the Titusville Rockets.
I also feel for the Canucks... Tiger Williams was a brute, and they
knocked on the door a few times. Ken Griffey Jr. was a classy guy.
Even the Zorn/Largent Seahawks, I could respect them.
Dallas, not so much. Same with the Eagles and Giants. Had family in
Cleveland, and Baltimore (later), so I don't hate our rivals (it
sucked when the Browns left).
We in Pittsburgh have had our share of droughts. I'm worried now with
the talent we have if we'll make the playoffs (we're 8th now).
After I saw the slo-mo on that, I can see why the ref called it. Push,
and the defender jumped back. Thank Michael Irvin if anyone.
>
>And on it went. When Rothlisberger made his dive, I was on the phone
>to a buddy of mine in Seattle who said he never made it, but the Ford
>Field people didn't show the replay. (When I saw Ben on Letterman a
>few days later, I almost puked). Seahawks would make a big play and
>the flag comes out, again and again. When Stevens finally caught a
>ball inside the five, I knew that Shaun wouldn't be denied the
>endzone--it was as good as gold, but out comes another flag.
>
>I left that place not with the hollow empty feeling one has when their
>team is beat, but feeling angry and ripped off. I couldn't watch the
>Tivo for three days until I had calmed down, and in the interim the
>national press had a field day with the officiating.
>
>For the rest of the country who agreed with the Seahawk faithful that
>bad officiating affected the outcome of the game, this is ancient
>history, and is forgotten. For a Seattle fan like me, who has been to
>the mountain but couldn't make it to the top so many times, it was a
>bitterness I'll take to my grave.
As a Pens fan, I've sat through many a beatdown. I was at the 2004
AFCC, it was cold, and we laid an egg. Beating Indy in 2005 was as
close as it could be.
I watched Detroit hoist the cup in our arena. Just had to shake my
head, and know we have to be better next year.
This year for the Steelers is somewhat of a surprise. Last year, they
went out with a whimper.
>
>So those of you who say its all sour grapes--I'm not on the Yankee
>group complaining about the umpiring in the 2000 ALCS, I'm not on the
>Denver Nugget group complaining about '92 NBA playoffs, I am not on
>the Chicago group complaining about the Bulls/Sonics final--why would
>I? All those games were fairly played and the other teams won fair
>and square. Those losses bother me, but not like this.
>
>You Steeler fans know what it is like to live and die with a team--you
>might have blinders on in regards to that SB, but at least appreciate
>what Seattle fans are feeling, and will feel, the rest of their lives.
When the Steelers lost to Dallas in SB XXX, I had a job interview in
Virginia. He was a Dallas fan. I flat-out told him that the Cowboys
were probably gonna win, but don't take the points. Man, we were in
that game.
I was on a hockey team, and we went 1-9. That was the worst feeling.
We had some close ones, even the lead late, and we'd lose it. I'm on a
soccer team now, and we're 3-0. I've had to make the painful
realization that they're not going to win with me in goal (in my
defense, I did have a heart attack last year, so I quit smoking,
changed my diet, and am about 20 pounds lighter now. But I can't be
the kamekaze I used to be, and I know that's the difference. I'm in
better shape now - I'm a little over 190).
If the Steelers lose, at least I'm in good enough shape to play
forward now (I can't ever forget that. Can't wish a heart attack on
anyone... Let me tell you they suck). My NFC favorite has been in a
coma now for what, 2 decades?
At least Lindros never hoisted the cup.
At least we did twice.
Seattle hoisted the cup.
They'll hoist a Lombardi trophy, once they get a good system in place.
Look at what the Cubs, and Indians have had to go through. How about
the Blackhawks. Would you trade places with a Bills fan (4 straight
SB's, you had Norwide, Thomas losing his helmet, and 2 blowouts. Now
they're moving games to Toronto)? How about the Lions? The Eagles
(chokers, Reid is an idiot)?
The Houston Oilers (I remember playing them twice to go to the SB.
They were a tough bunch, but had to play us. Then they went in the
tank, and in the moving van).
The Cleveland Browns, and the Baltimore Colts, who basically had their
teams stolen from LOYAL fan bases, basically kneecapped so they could
be moved (Irsay tried I swear for 15 years to make them bad enough to
move). Then they win championships after they move.
Madden is still upset about the Immaculate Reception. Buffalo had the
Music City Miracle. Cleveland? The drive.
I guess I'm saying, you can't look at what they accomplished that
year?
You also get into what-if territory. The Steelers did get some big
plays on them. Another thing is, take away any two of the calls, and
the outcome doesn't change, does it?
And as a fan of football, I have to say look at the play calling. Like
I've said before, we had an OPI call also, except we got a touchdown
(and the play after the penalty was a sack no less). Seattle ran
twice, threw an incompletion, and kicked a field goal.
Seattle seemed to move, but the way the plays were going, they'd
eventually end up with 3rd and long (and generally going incomplete,
or missing a field goal).
The best way I know to deal with it, is to try again. The NFC West is
definitely undergoing a sea change. SF is getting better. AZ got
better. SEA needs to keep up with the competition (STL I think is in
the crapper for a while). In 2-3 years, I expect it to be the group of
death.
That level of competition actually makes you stronger.
Patrick Volk
<bill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 20, 2:36 am, "Jefferson N. Glapski"
><jeffersonWE...@PENNSTATEglapski.com> wrote:
>> Last night, The Ravens played like crap,
>
>I'm sure the Steelers' defense had absolutely nothing to do with
>that... *sigh*
>
>> but towards the end of the
>> game they were only down by two points and had the opportunity to
>> drive down the field and kick the go ahead field goal. Had they done
>> that, and held on to win, I would have told any Baltimore fan that
>> they were lucky as hell given how they played.
>
>Their game plan was to stay close and wear down the Steelers' defense,
>towards an eventual come-from-behind victory. That's how they play on
>offense in the hopes of shielding Flaco. It's how they played all
>year. And it was close to working Sunday, if not for a fantastic play
>by Polamalu. The Steelers just did a better job through the first
>three quarters preventing them from doing anything at all on offense
>than I think the Ravens anticipated.
>
>> (Thanks the USC thug,
>> it wasn't to be.) And while I didn't see the play in detail, I would
>> have at least entertained Steeler claims that the touchdown that was
>> called back was a bad call.
>
>It was the right call, and pretty obvious in slow-mo. Though I would
>like to see some clarification on it. A touchdown is scored as soon
>as the ball crosses the goal line. Why if a player catches it in the
>field of play and falls into the end zone must he retain control after
>he hits the ground? I thought a TD was possession and crossing the
>line. If he caught it at the 10, danced into the end zone, and had
>the ball fall out of his hands after it crossed the goal line, but
>before he stepped into the end zone, I think it would still be a TD.
>So what's the difference?
I think what the ref saw was he had one hand on the ball when he
extended it, and didn't quite have it firmly in two hands. The other
aspect is the vague 'football move'. I don't think he took a step so
much as jumped towards the endzone (one foot != football move).
If you don't make a football move, then you must keep posession when
you go to ground. The ball can touch the ground in the process, but
the reciver must maintain control (the ball can't bounce out of the
grasp when it hits the ground. It's ok if posession is established,
but in that case posession isn't).
Where his feet are don't matter (a rehash from the last Pit-Bal game
is the feet matter when it comes to the dead-ball lines, but the goal
line isn't a dead-ball line). It's where the ball is.
>
>> When much of the country (as shown by the poll results posted above)
>>
>> =================
>>
>> Do you think officiating mistakes affected the outcome of Super Bowl XL?
>> (103,167 votes)
>> 61.7% Yes
>> 38.2% No
>>
>> http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?page=thepulse060206
>>
>> That's a minority, and it was certainly well-stuffed by Seahawk fans.
>
>Online polls are worse than useless... they're blatantly corrupt.
I don't know how many comments I saw disputing the Jackson catches out
of bounds. I am not surprised that they can still enter polls however.
It also doesn't exclude bias from the announcers... You have an hater
(John Madden) and an apologist, and suddenly the term 'ticky-tacky'
enters the public lexicon...
And the contradiction of something being not callable because it could
be ticky-tacky is a subtlety lost on the general populace.
And - people don't realize that flags are MORE likely to be thrown on
big plays, as they should. Is it fair to keep the flag in the pocket
because the block in the back would nullify the return TD?
Finally, just about every ref I've seen will warn people before they
start throwing hankies (especially the more judgement calls like
holding and interference).
Patrick Volk
Here's a question I wished they would've asked:
A receiver makes a reception close to the goal line, heading out of
bounds. He gets one foot in, and kicks the pylon with the other foot.
What should the result be?
1) Touchdown
2) Incomplete Pass
74.3% Might say touchdown, but still doesn't make it right.
I'd note also there isn't much dispute actually that a flag could've
been thrown on the Jackson TD reception... The real question is
whether the call was ticky-tacky.
And, like I said, you can take away two calls, and the outcome doesn't
change.
Patrick Volk
wrote:
Thank you!
From my standpoint (I TiVo'd it when it happened). Ben had the ball up
high, before he got hit (high on his chest, under his chin almost). It
was over there (by maybe 1/5th of the ball, 2-3 inches maybe). After
he got hit (and something that keeps me coming here is people posting
pictures not showing the farthest progress), the ball ended up closer
to his breadbasket.
But then the cry comes up "well, the camera might not have been
right on the goal line, so it might've been behind".
The call on the field was TD also. So it was inconclusive.
The ref coming up was looking for a reference point, and when he hit
it, signaled touchdown. Not suspicious.
Kevin LaBerge
Bruce Harper
> On Jan 20, 2:03 pm, Bruce Harper <vtweb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Yeah, yeah, nice long post about why you are bitter, but you still
> > haven't explained what you want to do to "fix" that SB game that you
> > feel was so screwed up.
>
> Whatever, Bruce.
>
> Unless there is a deathbed confession from one of the refs that the
> fix was in, there's not much I can do, save help you Steeler fans keep
> a check on your hubris over the results of that contest.
What a maroon! ($1 to Bugs Bunny)
So for a game in which the fans had nothing to do with the outcome, you
want said fans to write off the win and ignore that it ever happened.
You want Steeler fans to not be fans of the '05 team because you believe
that Super Bowl win is tainted. You want Steeler fans to disown that
team and join you in your bitterness because you feel the chickenhawks
were cheated by the officials and the NFL. You want Steeler fans to be
subdued about the upcoming game because the last SB appearance really
doesn't count for anything.
You don't ask for much, do you -- especially from rabid fans of a great
franchise.
OK, Stiller fans -- don your best black outfits for the upcoming game to
make unklbob feel better (and we'll overlook any gold trim that might
show up). Soundly boo any and all officials, no matter what they do good
or bad for either team.
It's the least that can be done for such a damaged individual.
Bruce in Blacksburg (but a native of the 'Burgh)
mianderson
> On Jan 19, 10:48 pm, Bruce Harper <vtweb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > It's not that unklbob did not know how to juggle, he just didn't
> > have the balls to do it, but he was still able to post this:
>
> > > not just *you*. And claims of "Steeler envy" nationwide are
> > > ridiculous--an entire generation could have grown up, graduated from
> > > college and started a family between Steeler Super Bowl victories. To
> > > anyone under 30 outside of Pittsburgh, their entire frame of reference
> > > regarding the Steelers was that one tainted victory--the earlier
> > > history of the Steelers would have about as much relevance as the
> > > Brooklyn Dodgers would have to my generation.
>
> > OK, so you've whined all day -- tell us how you would fix this. You want
> > Stiller fans to boycott this Super Bowl? You want the NFL to nullify the
> > win over the Seahawks, or revise history and award the Seahawks the
> > trophy? Or do you just want to be disgruntled and get your jollies by
> > trying to make the Stillers and their fans look bad?
>
> Steeler fans didn't officiate the game but there is no
> alt.sports.football.pro.NFL-referees, AFAIK.
>
> I realize what a huge deal Steeler football is to people in Western
> PA, (parts of ) Eastern Ohio, Kentucky and West VA., but you've got to
> understand where *I* am coming from. I am a Space Needle/747
> Seattlite, not a Starbucks/Microsoft/Amazon Seattlite. In my lifetime
> my town has won *1* professional championship, the 1979 NBA title. I
> watched the the Mariners win 116 games but lose to the boutique
> pitching staff of the Yankees in the ALCS. During the years Jordan
> was playing baseball, the Sonics won 62 games one year and 57 the
> next, but lost (despite having a winning record against every NBA
> team) in the first round because Gary Payton "was trippin'". During
> the Seahawks AFC years they made it to the playoffs regularly under
> Chuck Knox, but lost some heartbreaking (but undisputed) games.
>
> everything in his power to emasculate the team so he could trigger an
> attendance based escape clause so he could move the team to L.A.
>
> And, although it is not a professional sport, I watched my 1991 UW
> Husky football team, one of the most dominant college football teams I
> have ever seen be forced to share a national championship with a
> vastly inferior Miami team
yeah, I just stopped reading right here.........
It's fashionable to hate those miami teams of the late 80s/early 90s.
For many reasons. And despite the fact that don james had some great
teams at Washington, i don't find very many people who hate
washington. So i'm pretty sure thats why so many people want to
rewrite history wrt that 1991 season. Both teams accomplishments were
a complete draw that season in just about every way.
who was the better team in 1991? who deserved that title? Hell I
don't know(having watched many of the games and gone over all the
results). And anyone who does say they know is bias and/or trying to
change how that season played out.
washington had the more polished offense. miami had the better defense
(anyone who watched the nebraska games could see this). Both teams
had a very close game during the year. miami's closest game was
"closer" of course, but it was also to probably the third most
talented team in the country that year as well........
as for the steelers/seahawks game, get over it. PI is a judgement
call. So is holding. You got the bad end of the deal on both of
those calls....deal with it. it happens sometimes, but it doesnt make
the result any less valid.
Bobs yer uncle
Breathe into a paper bag, Bruce, it will keep you from
hyperventilating.
I know this whole issue touches a big nerve with you because deep in
your heart, you know I'm right.
Jefferson N. Glapski
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You have the answer, ex-Colt fan and ex-Redskin fan. The Eagles are a rival
of the Cowboys. The Stillers are very much the Penn State of the NFL. There
is a respect for tradition and stability. They both have no patience for
dogfighter types, unlike the Hoaxies. They both win, with the Stillers
having 5 Super Bowls and Penn State having 5 perfect seasons and 2 MNCs in
my lifetime. They both play football the way it should be played:
fundamentally sound with hitting that makes consumers of tampons like
yourself shudder from hits like Ryan Clark's on Willis McGahee - or in your
extremely feminine view, Hines Ward.
For the record, I am also a Sabres fans, who cause the Flyers to change
their coaches after their drubbings. I suppose you think that's odd too.
There are plenty of people in PA who have the same allegiances that you
mentioned above.
Jefferson N. Glapski
Stillers are wearing white in XLIII
Jefferson N. Glapski
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That's why we get upset with mia, too.
Bruce Harper
> Breathe into a paper bag, Bruce, it will keep you from
> hyperventilating.
>
> I know this whole issue touches a big nerve with you because deep in
> your heart, you know I'm right.
You're the one with the malfunction over the game and the obsession with
dissing Steeler fans. I'm happy with the five SB wins and hope to see
them pull off a sixth.