DO WE HAVE A CHANCE AGAINST THE COWBOYS
Salvador Villagomez
g914...@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA says...
>
>Do We have a chance against the Cowboys? I hope so because I really
don't
>want them to lose this time and hope we could go all the way this
year
>because this is best looking eagle team ever.
>
>
You are optimistic...the team is looking good, and I for one think
they can beat the cowboys and the niners on their way to a superbowl
this year. But we optimistics should wait for the first couple of
games to see just how well we as a team gel...Let's get Byron, we
want to give him a ring also. What is the salary cap situation...I
heard we were near the top...if we are, how many veterans do we have
left with how much money. Is Garner going to be released if he
doesn't show solid commitment...if not he could at least be asked to
take a pay cut.
Preston Werntz
writes:
>
>I cannot belive how unrealistic you fans are. The Eagles have no
>chance against the Cowboys, let alone the Giants and Arizona. How can
>you possibly think this is the best team the Eagles have ever had!?!?
>The Eagles had fantastic teams under Buddy. This team does not even
>compare.
I don't think the birds will be challenging Dallas for the division
crown, but the Eagles have always risen to the occaision against Dalas.
Raw talent aside, the Eagles match up well against Dallas and the
Redskins. However, the Giants and Cardinals give the Eagles fits over
the past few years.
Let's remember, back when the Giants were wining Superbowls, the Eagles
were stomping them time and time again in just some great, crazy games
(ex., Randall bouncing off Banks, Clyde running in the blocked FG in
OT, Bavaro gettings tossed out of the game in 90 at the Vet, etc.
etc.).
Even last year, if Randall knew how to read a play properly, the birds
would have ripped Dallas apart at the Vet.. the Eagles and Cowboys
talent levels have changed slightly between last year and this year --
in the favor of the birds. So, of course we've got a change against the
Cowboys...
Preston
RockyD
I cannot belive how unrealistic you fans are. The Eagles have no
chance against the Cowboys, let alone the Giants and Arizona. How can
you possibly think this is the best team the Eagles have ever had!?!?
The Eagles had fantastic teams under Buddy. This team does not even
compare.
This is just more proof that fans cannot see their teams for what
they really are. The Eagles are , at best, a .500 team. I sure hope
the prior articles were written by 13 year olds, because there is no
excuse for an adult to be so ignorant.
The Eagles will be in fourth place, behind the Cowboys, Giants, and
Cardinals.
Dan Weinlader
Debating this could be endless. A few months ago SI had an article on the
Eagles and said if everything comes together right, the Eagles could challenge
Dallas. I don't beleive that but is was written by a decent mag. Just goes
to show that is not just fans who can be overly optimistic.
BTW, I think the Eagles are on par with either the Giants or Arizona.
Dan Weinlader
Samuel V
>I don't think the birds will be challenging Dallas for the division
>crown, but the Eagles have always risen to the occaision against Dalas.
Preston, can you please define "always?" A quick check of the records
shows that the Cowboys have beaten the Eagles more times (43) than any
other team in the NFL ! So the birds have in reality failed to
"rise to the occasion" more than anyone. For example, there was a
stretch when Dallas beat Philadelphia 21 out of 23 games, including an
unbelievable 11 straight times. Actually, that record is in danger,
as the current streak is now 6 Cowboy wins in a row.
>Raw talent aside, the Eagles match up well against Dallas and the
>Redskins. However, the Giants and Cardinals give the Eagles fits over
>the past few years.
"Raw talent aside?" Well how the heck do you want them to match up,
if not by talent? How was the match up in the 1992 playoff game, when
the score was 27-3 Dallas by the time Randall was benched? Or what
about the match up at Philadelphia in 1993 when Emmitt Smith ripped
the Eagles defense for 237 yards? Think about that, 237 yards...it
was one of the biggest games by a RB in the 75 year history of the
NFL!
>Let's remember, back when the Giants were wining Superbowls, the Eagles
>were stomping them time and time again in just some great, crazy games
>(ex., Randall bouncing off Banks, Clyde running in the blocked FG in
>OT, Bavaro gettings tossed out of the game in 90 at the Vet, etc.
>etc.).
>Even last year, if Randall knew how to read a play properly,
a very big IF
>the birds would have ripped Dallas apart at the Vet.
What game were you watching? Dallas, without Aikman, never trailed in
the game, and won by two scores. The last time Randall saw the
Cowboys, Darren Woodson was stepping over him for a 94 yard
interception return for TD.
>the Eagles and Cowboys talent levels have changed slightly between last year and this year --
>in the favor of the birds. So, of course we've got a change against the
>Cowboys...
>Preston
Can you please tell us why you think so?? I must be missing
something...
Preston Werntz
writes:
>>crown, but the Eagles have always risen to the occaision against
>>Dalas.
>
>Preston, can you please define "always?" A quick check of the records
>shows that the Cowboys have beaten the Eagles more times (43) than any
>other team in the NFL !
Did I say "win?" No, I said rise to the occaision -- give Dallas a good
game, and scare them, no matter how outgunned the Eagles were. I'm
sorry if the subtlety of the English language eludes you.
>>Raw talent aside, the Eagles match up well against Dallas and the
>>Redskins. However, the Giants and Cardinals give the Eagles fits over
>>the past few years.
>
>"Raw talent aside?" Well how the heck do you want them to match up,
>if not by talent?
The most talented team does not always win the game -- anyone who's got
a clue about the NFL will tell you that.
>
>What game were you watching? Dallas, without Aikman, never trailed in
>the game, and won by two scores. The last time Randall saw the
>Cowboys, Darren Woodson was stepping over him for a 94 yard
>interception return for TD.
>
I watched a game where Dallas -- the better team -- jumped out to a
lead, but watched it slip away as the birds got on a roll. If our
bonehead quarterback had not misread the play he called and designed,
the Eagles would have had the lead.. instead, 94 yards later the entire
team deflated.
>
>Can you please tell us why you think so?? I must be missing
>something...
>
Why do I think the birds have closed the talent gap -- if only
slightly? You name me one position in which the Cowboys have improved.
Go ahead. Can't... they've either held their ground or backtracked at
every position. (Not to mention having another poor draft)
The Eagles, while still with question marks at some positions, have
made gains in their backfield, the offensive line, and defensive line.
Preston
Preston Werntz
writes:
>
>Preston, Preston. My reply to your original post contained nothing
>but facts- no opinions, no conjecture, and certainly no personal
>attacks on you. Yet, upon reading it, you felt the need to lash out
>at me and question my reading comprehension and football erudition.
>You leave me no choice but to respond in kind, and at the risk of
>embarrassing you publicly, let others decide who has the greater
>command of the language, and knowledge of the game.
>
I was gonna (whoop.. whoop.. grammar alert! come get me <snicker>
English major!) respond, but after seeing that my simple jab drove you
to a long, assinine post full of rambling, juvenile insults, I feel no
reason to.
See you on the green field of battle, cowboy.
Preston
Samuel V
>In <3ui8re$7...@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> fabu...@ix.netcom.com (Samuel V)
>writes:
>>>I don't think the birds will be challenging Dallas for the division
>>>crown, but the Eagles have always risen to the occaision against
>>>Dalas.
>>
>>Preston, can you please define "always?" A quick check of the records
>>shows that the Cowboys have beaten the Eagles more times (43) than any
>>other team in the NFL !
>Did I say "win?" No, I said rise to the occaision -- give Dallas a good
>game, and scare them, no matter how outgunned the Eagles were. I'm
>sorry if the subtlety of the English language eludes you.
Preston, Preston. My reply to your original post contained nothing
but facts- no opinions, no conjecture, and certainly no personal
attacks on you. Yet, upon reading it, you felt the need to lash out
at me and question my reading comprehension and football erudition.
You leave me no choice but to respond in kind, and at the risk of
embarrassing you publicly, let others decide who has the greater
command of the language, and knowledge of the game.
You say I missed the "subtlety" in your statement "the Eagles have
always risen to the occaision against Dalas." Never mind the fact
that you left a typo in the sentence (I'm assuming you know how to
spell the word "Dallas"). Even a good writer can make a mistake, let
alone a sloppy and careless one like you. Later in the same post, for
example, you write, "we've got a change against the Cowboys," when I
think you meant to say "we've got a chance against the Cowboys." No,
it's not the typos you ought to be worried about, it's the fact
you're too stupid to spell the word "occasion." This is not a typo,
you misspelled it the same way in your reply to me. Unfortunately, I
fear the delicious irony of your criticizing someone else's verbal
skills, while your own are so deficient, may "elude" you. But let's
turn to what you said, not how you said it.
Suppose a person with average intelligence was listening to an Eagles
game on the radio. Say the Eagles are leading by 6, with only 3
seconds on the clock. However, the opposition has the ball at the
Philadelphia one yard line, and the Eagles are lining up for a final
goal line stand. The radio announcer says, "The ball is
snapped...Aikman hands it to Emmitt Smith...he leaps...and the Eagles
have risen to the occasion!" Now I ask you, upon hearing that phrase,
is the listener more likely to think that the Birds defense stopped
Emmitt from scoring, or is he more likely to grasp the "subtlety" in
the statement, as Smith barrels into the endzone?
Of course, the answer is simple. I contend, and I think most would
agree, that the words, "always rising to the occasion," in a
competitive situation means consistently succeeding and winning, not
"giving a good game," or being scary.
Of course, we may be at an advantage over you when we read and write.
I happen to be an adult, who majored in English in college, and who
has had 31 years of experience using the language. You may not have
had those advantages. If you are now in grammar school, I salute you!
You are showing a lot of promise, in here talking to the grownups.
Keep it up, slugger! If you are in high school, you should do as
Randall says, and "Stay in School!" (tm) Crack those books, and your
skills will improve. If you have already dropped out, remember it's
never to late to get your GED.
With our English lesson over, I can now teach you something about
football. You see Preston, in pro sports, winning isn't everything,
it's the only thing. You can't advance in the playoffs by "giving
them a good game," you must actually win. They don't give the Lombardi
Trophy to the team that "scares" the other guys but loses, it goes to
the champions who win. You made an absolutely absurd statement, which
cannot be backed up with facts. On the contrary, the facts show, as I
stated, (and which you conveniently censored from my post):
the Cowboys have beaten the Eagles more times (43) than any
other team in the NFL ! So the birds have in reality failed to
"rise to the occasion" more than anyone. For example, there was a
stretch when Dallas beat Philadelphia 21 out of 23 games, including an
unbelievable 11 straight times. Actually, that record is in danger,
as the current streak is now 6 Cowboy wins in a row.
You deleted, instead of trying to awnser to, these facts.
>>>Raw talent aside, the Eagles match up well against Dallas and the
>>>Redskins. However, the Giants and Cardinals give the Eagles fits over
>>>the past few years.
>>
>>"Raw talent aside?" Well how the heck do you want them to match up,
>>if not by talent?
>The most talented team does not always win the game -- anyone who's got
>a clue about the NFL will tell you that.
Again, you censor my post, in an attempt to put words in my mouth. I
never said the most talented team always wins, I merely asked these
questions:
How was the match up in the 1992 playoff game, when
the score was 27-3 Dallas by the time Randall was benched? Or what
about the match up at Philadelphia in 1993 when Emmitt Smith ripped
the Eagles defense for 237 yards? Think about that, 237 yards...it
was one of the biggest games by a RB in the 75 year history of the
NFL!
These questions also went unanswered. Did the Eagles give Dallas "a
good game" in the 1992 playoff? Was Emmitt "scared" of the Eagles the
day he destroyed them for 237 yards?
>>What game were you watching? Dallas, without Aikman, never trailed in
>>the game, and won by two scores. The last time Randall saw the
>>Cowboys, Darren Woodson was stepping over him for a 94 yard
>>interception return for TD.
>>
>I watched a game where Dallas -- the better team -- jumped out to a
>lead, but watched it slip away as the birds got on a roll. If our
>bonehead quarterback had not misread the play he called and designed,
>the Eagles would have had the lead.. instead, 94 yards later the entire
>team deflated.
This is the classic, perennial song of the loser..."would have, should
have, IF..." Losers make excuses, point fingers, dream dreams.
Champions create excellence, build teamwork, make dreams come true.
>>Can you please tell us why you think so?? I must be missing
>>something...
>>
>Why do I think the birds have closed the talent gap -- if only
>slightly? You name me one position in which the Cowboys have improved.
>Go ahead. Can't... they've either held their ground or backtracked at
>every position. (Not to mention having another poor draft)
Here you are either totally ignorant about the Cowboys and football,
or you are pretending not to know the truth. Can you really be this
idiotic? Of course Dallas improved this offseason, in many areas.
Since this post is already very long, and in an effort to let you save
at least a tiny bit of face, I will only name four, two on either side
of the ball.
When the 1994 season ended, Michael Irvin, Jay Novacek, and Tony
Tolbert (among others) became unrestricted free agents. Those big
words, Preston, mean that they were really no longer Cowboys. Any one
could have signed them, Dallas was just another of 30 suitors. The
Cowboys locked Irvin, arguably the second best receiver in the league,
into a 5 year deal. Novacek, consistently one of the finest tight
ends in the pros, signed a contract which will assure retires a
Cowboy. Tolbert, a tremendous young talent at left DE, inked a
long-term pact. Then, in a master coup, Jerry Jones got Charles
Haley, the brilliant right DE, to not only come out of retirement, but
sign a 4 year contract extension!
The already vast gap between the Cowboys and the Eagles did not
narrow, it widened! You will prove it for me...Ask yourself this
question: If you were the general manager of the Cowboys, and you
could trade Michael Irvin for ANY Eagle, would you do it?? No, of
course not. Just the Irvin signing alone is more significant than all
the Eagles "improvements," because he is better than any player on the
entire Philadelphia roster.
When you already have the best talent in the league, "holding your
own" means you are still the best. It is also incredibly important in
the age of free agency. Last season, the Dallas defense ranked #1
in sacks, pass defense, and total defense. So signing both of last
year's defensive ends was an "improvement" over losing them, wasn't it
Preston?
Of all the dumb things you said, your comment on Dallas's "poor"
draft stands out as the most cretinous. Are you going to pretend that
you know the first thing about the Cowboys draft picks? How many
hours did you spend breaking down film of Mississippi State games,
studying the play of TE Kendall Watkins? Does DB Charlie William's
alma mater, Bowling Green, show up much on your local cable TV?
Do you merely parrot the words of the so-called "experts," or do you
really just hope and pray that the Dallas draft is poor?
None of these approaches work, because a draft can only truly be
evaluated over time. Case in point: Last year, many Eagles fans
(including you, probably) and "experts" thought Philadelphia had a
good draft. Only now, after a year, can one evaluate how the Birds
three top picks, Bernard Williams, Bruce Walker, and Charlie Garner,
panned out.
See what I mean Preston?
>The Eagles, while still with question marks at some positions, have
>made gains in their backfield, the offensive line, and defensive line.
>Preston
Well, I'm sure the Dallas Cowboys are really "scared" now. I wonder
if they will get their seventh and eighth straight "good games,"
i.e. Wins, over the Birds on 11/6 and 12/10.
Paul Kitabjian
Who gives a crap about grammar? This is a football newsgroup! Take the
English class somewhere else.
--
Paul Kitabjian
Stanford University
t...@leland.Stanford.edu
Yun Chong
[deleted]
: Of course, we may be at an advantage over you when we read and write.
: I happen to be an adult, who majored in English in college, and who
: has had 31 years of experience using the language. You may not have
: had those advantages. If you are now in grammar school, I salute you!
: You are showing a lot of promise, in here talking to the grownups.
: Keep it up, slugger! If you are in high school, you should do as
: Randall says, and "Stay in School!" (tm) Crack those books, and your
: skills will improve. If you have already dropped out, remember it's
: never to late to get your GED.
[More deleted]
: Well, I'm sure the Dallas Cowboys are really "scared" now. I wonder
: if they will get their seventh and eighth straight "good games,"
: i.e. Wins, over the Birds on 11/6 and 12/10.
Hmmm, you are an English major? If you point out the errors of others, you
should at least practice good writing yourself.
Sam Chong
Ian M. Derby
>In <3unbvo$n...@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> fabu...@ix.netcom.com (Samuel V)
>writes:
>>
>>Preston, Preston. My reply to your original post contained nothing
>>but facts- no opinions, no conjecture, and certainly no personal
>>attacks on you. Yet, upon reading it, you felt the need to lash out
>>at me and question my reading comprehension and football erudition.
>>You leave me no choice but to respond in kind, and at the risk of
>>embarrassing you publicly, let others decide who has the greater
>>command of the language, and knowledge of the game.
>>
>I was gonna (whoop.. whoop.. grammar alert! come get me <snicker>
>English major!) respond, but after seeing that my simple jab drove you
>to a long, assinine post full of rambling, juvenile insults, I feel no
>reason to.
Well you know how it is Preston. The guy gets a degree in English
which leaves him with almost zero choice in life but to tell us how
he worked really hard in achieving such a lofty and pressure
packed line of study in college (please note sarcasm for the
humor impaired). This is why he comes off as a pompous jerk who
tries to insult your intelligence about simple typos. In fact, he's
just trying to grasp at straws. This is
what usually happens; plus the fact that his post is three
pages long gives it away. Afterall, reaching for the years before Dick
Vermeil to find the last time Dallas truly dominated (in score
and victory) the Eagles is the true stat here. I do believe
Preston meant as "always" being the last 15 years per chance. I
could be wrong, but recent history may apply here, sorry for
the alarm.
The fact is aside from the total pounding in the '93 playoffs,
Dallas victories over the Eagles have been close. Take your
great Emmitt 200+ yard game in '93. Fact is, one play decided
the outcome. The injury ridden Eagles were about to take the
lead on Dallas in the 3rd Q with an awesome 4th down play. James Joseph
drops the ball. Would Dallas have won the game? Probably, but
that right there shows the game was in reach. Of course Emmitt's
game is certainly a great achievement. However Im sure those
196 yards of Wilbert Montgomery were more important during a championship game.
I can't remember who they beat in that game, but I'm sure
you'll tell me. Sorry, this doesn't fly.
There is also one teeny weensy little thing to add. You might
call the Eagles in general "losers". However their day will
come, it's not like they have never won a championship. When
this day does come (and it will) I guarantee that all of these
fans who root for "losers" will enjoy their sweet victory over
the complacent, bandwagon, termite fans who get to see their
team once or twice every decade (on average). You might not
agree but I think it takes just a little more stomach and
dedication to pull for a team that goes through hell over one
who comes out spic and span (tm). Only the weakminded will
follow a winner.
fabulous
>t...@ix.netcom.com (Preston Werntz) writes:
>>In <3unbvo$n...@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> fabu...@ix.netcom.com (Samuel V)
>>writes:
>>>
>>>Preston, Preston. My reply to your original post contained nothing
>>>but facts- no opinions, no conjecture, and certainly no personal
>>>attacks on you. Yet, upon reading it, you felt the need to lash out
>>>at me and question my reading comprehension and football erudition.
>>>You leave me no choice but to respond in kind, and at the risk of
>>>embarrassing you publicly, let others decide who has the greater
>>>command of the language, and knowledge of the game.
>>>
>>I was gonna (whoop.. whoop.. grammar alert! come get me <snicker>
>>English major!) respond, but after seeing that my simple jab drove you
>>to a long, assinine post full of rambling, juvenile insults, I feel no
>>reason to.
>Well you know how it is Preston. The guy gets a degree in English
>which leaves him with almost zero choice in life but to tell us how
>he worked really hard in achieving such a lofty and pressure
>packed line of study in college (please note sarcasm for the
>humor impaired). This is why he comes off as a pompous jerk who
>tries to insult your intelligence about simple typos.
Totally unprovoked, he insulted my intelligence first. I only
mentioned my experiences because he impugned my ability to understand
the subtleties of the English language. I question his ability to
write. By the way, my life is just fine, thanks!
>In fact he's just trying to grasp at straws. This is
>what usually happens; plus the fact that his post is three
>pages long gives it away. Afterall, reaching for the years before Dick
>Vermeil to find the last time Dallas truly dominated (in score
>and victory) the Eagles is the true stat here. I do believe
>Preston meant as "always" being the last 15 years per chance. I
>could be wrong, but recent history may apply here, sorry for
>the alarm.
Ian, you must be psychic. How else could you know that "always" meant
the last 15 years?? Silly me, I thought "always" meant "always!"
That is why when Preston contended that "the Eagles have always risen
to the occaision against Dalas," I pointed out that on the contrary,
the Eagles HAVE LOST to the Cowboys MORE TIMES than ANY OTHER TEAM IN
THE LEAGUE. Sorry to raise my voice, but I notice that people keep
deleting that part of my post, rather than answering it.
Also, I did note that the Cowboys have won the last 6 straight Eagle
games. If "recent history may apply here," then I can't cite any
more fresh than that....Can you Ian?
Dallas has a winning record over Philadelphia in the last 5 years, 15
years, 30 years, take your pick. I merely pointed out (using facts,
not insults) that Preston's original post is obviously incorrect.
>The fact is aside from the total pounding in the '93 playoffs,
>Dallas victories over the Eagles have been close. Take your
>great Emmitt 200+ yard game in '93. Fact is, one play decided
>the outcome. The injury ridden Eagles were about to take the
>lead on Dallas in the 3rd Q with an awesome 4th down play. James Joseph
>drops the ball. Would Dallas have won the game? Probably, but
>that right there shows the game was in reach. Of course Emmitt's
>game is certainly a great achievement. However Im sure those
>196 yards of Wilbert Montgomery were more important during a championship game.
>I can't remember who they beat in that game, but I'm sure
>you'll tell me. Sorry, this doesn't fly.
First you complain I'm "reaching" too far back into history, then you
wax nostalgic about a game played in January 1981!
By the way, "one play" often can decide a game. Great players make
great plays, and frequently make the difference. Guys like Emmitt
Smith run for 62 yard touchdowns, while guys like James Joseph drop
balls. Guys like Randall Cunningham throw 4th quarter interceptions,
while guys like Darren Woodson run them back for game-breaking scores.
See how that works now, Ian??
>There is also one teeny weensy little thing to add. You might
>call the Eagles in general "losers". However their day will
>come, it's not like they have never won a championship. When
>this day does come (and it will) I guarantee that all of these
>fans who root for "losers" will enjoy their sweet victory over
>the complacent, bandwagon, termite fans who get to see their
>team once or twice every decade (on average). You might not
>agree but I think it takes just a little more stomach and
>dedication to pull for a team that goes through hell over one
>who comes out spic and span (tm). Only the weakminded will
>follow a winner.
And only losers will follow a loser. See, I can make broad, idiotic
statements too.
No, seriously, I agree with what you said about losing making
subsequent victory more sweet. I am sure you know how Cowboy fans
felt when they had to suffer through 6 seasons before they posted
their first winning record. They were 0-11-1 in their first year!
You empathize with the way they felt at the nadir of the 1989 1-15
season, when they were 14 point underdogs at home, against the hated
Redskins (and failed to cover, losing 30-7!) So of course you and I
understand why the Cowboys' fans are justifiably proud of their team's
success.
fabulous
>Samuel V (fabu...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>[deleted]
>[More deleted]
>Sam Chong
Sam, I did practice good writing, and you're the proof. You read
everything I wrote, and I inspired you enough to write back!
fsherman
>
>>>Raw talent aside, the Eagles match up well against Dallas and the
>>>Redskins. However, the Giants and Cardinals give the Eagles fits over
>>>the past few years.
>>
>>"Raw talent aside?" Well how the heck do you want them to match up,
>>if not by talent?
>
>The most talented team does not always win the game -- anyone who's got
>a clue about the NFL will tell you that.
>>
>>the game, and won by two scores. The last time Randall saw the
>>Cowboys, Darren Woodson was stepping over him for a 94 yard
>>interception return for TD.
>>
>I watched a game where Dallas -- the better team -- jumped out to a
>lead, but watched it slip away as the birds got on a roll. If our
>bonehead quarterback had not misread the play he called and designed,
>the Eagles would have had the lead.. instead, 94 yards later the entire
>team deflated.
>
>>
>>something...
>>
>
>Why do I think the birds have closed the talent gap -- if only
>slightly? You name me one position in which the Cowboys have improved.
>Go ahead. Can't... they've either held their ground or backtracked at
>every position. (Not to mention having another poor draft)
>
>made gains in their backfield, the offensive line, and defensive line.
>
>Preston
>
As a former Philly-ite who has been transplanted in Dallas, I can assure
you of one thing: Dallas fans hate the Eagles more than any team in the
league, even thier nemesis, the 49ers. Why? Because they are the only
team in the league who on any given day with any record can beat them at
Texas Stadium on sheer heart brought about by an extreme;y adversarial
history. Need I mention the porkchop incident?
Complicating that this year are Dallas sport writers proclaiming how weak
the Cowboys really are in the depth charts and how well off the Eagles
are. They're terrified. For the Cowboy fans who'll undoubtedly claim I'm
lying: Norm Hotchkiss/570AM and The Hardliners/1310AM. Listen for
yourself.
Here is my personal take on it: They know we have the arm behind center
to get the job done and the talent on offense. Defense was the hard part.
The Eagles tried to win with 5'8 corners on 6'4 receivers. It didn't work
well and they've learned from that.
The Eagles had the 2nd best NFL draft this year, Dallas was in the bottom
5. The handwritting is already on the wall.
Emmit, the cornerstone of the running game, is breaking down physically.
If he has to carry one more season, he'll be washed up. There is already
talk of working him hard this year and trading him next while he still
has some value.
Troy had a wakeup call last year in the form of a serious concusion. The
next play he called after getting up was the game winner from his high
school championship game...the game he thought he was playing in! Rock
him hard again and he'll seriously consider retirement!
The big story here is the Williams suspension. The Dallas fans love it!
Yet how many heard about the 'boy's Eric Williams being charged with
rape? Did anyone call for the death penalty? Hell no! He's a ball player!
They sought to explain it away and the team lawyer worked on an
out-of-court settlement!
Thats the Them vs. Us news. Go birds. Kick butt!
Barry
the #1 team in the NFC easily this year...true, their nucleus may be
crumbling after this season, but right now, all the major pieces are in
place for another SuperBowl...a star RB, a great Passing game with Irvin
and Aikman, excellent team defense, and all the rest of it...
But, the Eagles might be much improved this year...
Michael Toole
the Defense, comes together can not only compete with Dallas in a game
but for the NFC EAST.
Dallas lost alot, they now only have one wide reciever, dont give me
this Kevin Williams is a star crap, a crumbling O line, Newton-70lbs
over weight,
no Gogan, no Stepnoski, Erik Williams health and statutory rape, still no
proven backup for Emmitt. Speaking of Emmitt he will get hurt again this
year, Dallas pounds himway too much. A defense that continues to lose
depth and talent without replacement, More assistant coach losses. AND
THE #1 reason we can challenge Dallas is....................Barry
Switzer will have to prove he can coach this year and not just coast a
great team to the NFC TITLE game.
Michael B Toole
fabulous
>As a former Philly-ite who has been transplanted in Dallas, I can
>assure you of one thing: Dallas fans hate the Eagles more than any
>team in the league, even thier nemesis, the 49ers. Why? Because they
>are the only team in the league who on any given day with any record
>can beat them at Texas Stadium on sheer heart brought about by an
>extreme;y adversarial history. Need I mention the porkchop incident?
This is completely wrong. On the contrary, the Eagles HAVE LOST more
games in Texas Stadium than any opposing team in the NFL ! It is the
actually the Washington Redskins that have beaten the Cowboys the most
in Irving (12 times). The Giants also have a better winning
percentage in Texas than do the Eagles. Even the pathetic Cardinals
haven't been beaten in Dallas more than Philadelphia has !
Remarkably, the Rams have a winning record in Texas Stadium (7-6).
Also, Cleveland's win in Dallas last season put the Browns record
there at 7-7. I won't go on...
As far as the " extreme;y adversarial history," where is it?
Fsherman, I'll quote some history: The Cowboys once had a string of
13 straight wins against the Eagles in Dallas. That's 13 years of
history, without a single "given day" where the Birds won ! By the
looks of some of the scores of those games (56-7; 49-14; etc), the
Birds were obviously not much of an adversary.
>Complicating that this year are Dallas sport writers proclaiming how
>weak the Cowboys really are in the depth charts and how well off the
>Eagles are. They're terrified. For the Cowboy fans who'll undoubtedly
>claim I'm lying: Norm Hotchkiss/570AM and The Hardliners/1310AM.
>Listen for yourself.
>Here is my personal take on it: They know we have the arm behind
>center to get the job done and the talent on offense. Defense was the
>hard part. The Eagles tried to win with 5'8 corners on 6'4 receivers.
>It didn't work well and they've learned from that.
>The Eagles had the 2nd best NFL draft this year, Dallas was in the
>bottom 5. The handwritting is already on the wall.
>Emmit, the cornerstone of the running game, is breaking down
>physically. If he has to carry one more season, he'll be washed up.
>There is already talk of working him hard this year and trading him
>next while he still has some value.
>Troy had a wakeup call last year in the form of a serious concusion.
>The next play he called after getting up was the game winner from his
>high school championship game...the game he thought he was playing in!
>Rock him hard again and he'll seriously consider retirement!
>The big story here is the Williams suspension. The Dallas fans love
>it! Yet how many heard about the 'boy's Eric Williams being charged
>with rape? Did anyone call for the death penalty? Hell no! He's a ball
>player! They sought to explain it away and the team lawyer worked on
>an out-of-court settlement!
The out-of-court settlement was for the civil case. The Dallas
District Attorney could have pressed criminal charges against
Williams, if they had a case, which they didn't. They convened a
grand jury, and then didn't hold Williams for trial. Surely you know
this if you are in Dallas, why didn't you objectively tell the whole
truth?
>Thats the Them vs. Us news. Go birds. Kick butt!
X X X
Eric Toth
Hello, Fabio.
Once again, your pomposity rises to the surface. I am of course referring only
to the 'extremely adversarial history' part. By the way the ';' key is right
next to the 'l' key. Did you have to be such a punk that you couldn't leave a
common typo alone. Let me guess, you made all-conference in typing in high
school so now you consider yourself able to lord mistakes over others. Bravo,
big man! As far as an adversarial history is concerned, I think the
relationship between the Cowboys and the Eagles goes far beyond wins and
losses. When the Cowboys were 1-15, I still considered them adversaries. The
fact of the matter is we have a history of incidents between these two teams
(bounty bowls, snowballs thrown at Jimmy Johnson, oh I love fan participation)
which has resulted in a great deal of animosity. To be quite honest, I like it
that way. I hope it never changes.
J. Ryan Thomas
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: fshe...@pic.net (fsherman) wrote:
: >As a former Philly-ite who has been transplanted in Dallas, I can
: >assure you of one thing: Dallas fans hate the Eagles more than any
: >team in the league, even thier nemesis, the 49ers. Why? Because they
: >are the only team in the league who on any given day with any record
: >can beat them at Texas Stadium on sheer heart brought about by an
: >extreme;y adversarial history. Need I mention the porkchop incident?
: This is completely wrong. On the contrary, the Eagles HAVE LOST more
: games in Texas Stadium than any opposing team in the NFL ! It is the
: actually the Washington Redskins that have beaten the Cowboys the most
: in Irving (12 times). The Giants also have a better winning
: percentage in Texas than do the Eagles. Even the pathetic Cardinals
: haven't been beaten in Dallas more than Philadelphia has !
: Remarkably, the Rams have a winning record in Texas Stadium (7-6).
: Also, Cleveland's win in Dallas last season put the Browns record
: there at 7-7. I won't go on...
: X X X
Hey,
It seems like you sit back ind shit on a lot of people in
defense of the cowpatties. Thats fine I guess, but at least read his
post. I agreed with your post about being insulted, but now I can see
why you are. You really have the ability to annoy people. What he said
was NOT that the Eagles beat the Cowboys all the time, but that they play
them tough. With the fans getting invloved, and all the emotions at
these games, even the MUCH better team at the time is VERY worried about
an upset or something. The same was true even when the Eagles had a much
better team than the patties...jeez it was quite a few years ago now. We
are fans, its ok to criticize, but if just want to promote the patties,
and dump on the eagles and all their fans, go to their newsgroup, leave
us alone. The funny thing is, all those damn statistics are just
that....numbers from the past. They mean even less than the worthless
bandwidth I often see coming from your account. I'm glad you know
what's happened on paper for teh last 15 years, but what I care about is
THIS year. If you have anything valuable about this years team and its
opposition, please make it available to us.
Sincerely
Ryan
jth...@moose.uvm.edu
J. Ryan Thomas
Dan Weinlader
>
> Hey,
> It seems like you sit back ind shit on a lot of people in
>defense of the cowpatties. Thats fine I guess, but at least read his
>post. I agreed with your post about being insulted, but now I can see
>why you are. You really have the ability to annoy people. What he said
>was NOT that the Eagles beat the Cowboys all the time, but that they play
>them tough. With the fans getting invloved, and all the emotions at
>these games, even the MUCH better team at the time is VERY worried about
>an upset or something. The same was true even when the Eagles had a much
>better team than the patties...jeez it was quite a few years ago now. We
>are fans, its ok to criticize, but if just want to promote the patties,
>and dump on the eagles and all their fans, go to their newsgroup, leave
>us alone. The funny thing is, all those damn statistics are just
>that....numbers from the past. They mean even less than the worthless
> bandwidth I often see coming from your account. I'm glad you know
>what's happened on paper for teh last 15 years, but what I care about is
>THIS year. If you have anything valuable about this years team and its
>opposition, please make it available to us.
> Sincerely
> Ryan
>jth...@moose.uvm.edu
>J. Ryan Thomas
>
Last year I remember Dallas's coach saying that it was the Eagles that he was
worried about because they seem to be able to always give Dallas a tough game.
Of course he was more worried about the 49ers, but the Eagles must have
worried him enough that he felt compelled to mention them.
The Eagles may not be in Dallas's league right now, but they are closing in
and could get close to them by the end of the year. The last game against
Dallas is in Philly and in December so the Eagles will have had time to adapt
to the new system. I would not be surprised if the Eagles won that game.
Dan Weinlader
fabulous
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>fabulous (fabu...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: fshe...@pic.net (fsherman) wrote:
>: >As a former Philly-ite who has been transplanted in Dallas, I can
>: >assure you of one thing: Dallas fans hate the Eagles more than any
>: >team in the league, even thier nemesis, the 49ers. Why? Because they
>: >are the only team in the league who on any given day with any record
>: >can beat them at Texas Stadium on sheer heart brought about by an
>: >extreme;y adversarial history. Need I mention the porkchop incident?
>: This is completely wrong. On the contrary, the Eagles HAVE LOST more
>: games in Texas Stadium than any opposing team in the NFL ! It is the
>: actually the Washington Redskins that have beaten the Cowboys the most
>: in Irving (12 times). The Giants also have a better winning
>: percentage in Texas than do the Eagles. Even the pathetic Cardinals
>: haven't been beaten in Dallas more than Philadelphia has !
>: Remarkably, the Rams have a winning record in Texas Stadium (7-6).
>: Also, Cleveland's win in Dallas last season put the Browns record
>: there at 7-7. I won't go on...
>: X X X
> Hey,
> It seems like you sit back ind shit on a lot of people in
>defense of the cowpatties.
I am not defending anyone. Fsherman made a statement, I merely
corrected it with facts. If a person says something that I disagree
with, or is flat out wrong, and I debate or correct them, I don't
consider that "shitting" on them! I call it a conversation.
> Thats fine I guess, but at least read his
>post.
I am about to show you that I read his post, YOU DIDN'T, or if you
did, you failed to comprehend it.
>I agreed with your post about being insulted, but now I can see
>why you are. You really have the ability to annoy people.
My goal here is to enlighten, entertain, and have some fun. If
someone makes a statement that is wrong (which they are entitled to
do), I am going to be here telling the truth, using facts. For the
millionth time, FACTS FACTS FACTS! Not opinions, not predictions, not
rooting, not cheerleading, not what I hope will happen----WHAT
ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN REALITY ! If that annoys you, then too bad, but
I can assure you it is not my intention.
>What he said
>was NOT that the Eagles beat the Cowboys all the time, but that they play
>them tough.
Now here is where you really lose it, J. You accuse me of not reading
his post, and then try to tell me what he said. Meanwhile, the
original post is at the top- THE WORDS "play them tough" ARE NOT NOT
NOT NOT NOT IN HIS POST!!!!!!! YOU READ HIS POST J. RYAN!!!!!!!!
Take off your green eyeshades, turn down WIP, and READ IT.
Wait, I can't trust you to read it, let's read it together, I'll quote
verbatim: "... [The Eagles] are the only team in the league who on any
given day with any record can beat them at Texas Stadium..."
Where does it say "play them tough?" Where, J. Ryan? IT DOSEN'T, IT
SAYS BEAT THEM! "BEAT THEM" THAT MEANS WIN, RIGHT???
But the Eagles HAVE NOT had a history of winning in Texas Stadium, as
fshman is contending...IN FACT, THEY HAVE LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST
MORE GAMES IN TEXAS STADIUM THAN ANYONE IN THE NFL ! Now do you see
the point of my post? The fact is, the Eagles, on any given day, with
any record, are the most likely team TO LOSE in Texas Stadium.
Ironic, huh?
fsherman was simply incorrect. I even name a couple of teams that
have actually fared well in Dallas- Washington (has the most wins
there), the Rams, Cleveland...here is another- the Vikings are 5-4 in
Irving. So if fsherman had said the Redskins, or Cleveland, or
Minnesota has a history of beating them on any given day, I would have
agreed. In Philadelphia's case, it just isn't true.
> With the fans getting invloved, and all the emotions at
>these games, even the MUCH better team at the time is VERY worried about
>an upset or something. The same was true even when the Eagles had a much
>better team than the patties...jeez it was quite a few years ago now. We
>are fans, its ok to criticize, but if just want to promote the patties,
>and dump on the eagles and all their fans, go to their newsgroup, leave
>us alone. The funny thing is, all those damn statistics are just
>that....numbers from the past.
Uh, J. Ryan, let's take another look at the post to which I was
responding. Again I'll quote exactly, (except I'll fix the typo for
fsherman. It has come to the point where I have to proofread and
correct other people's posts, or get I flamed for reprinting their
typos.)
"they are the only team in the league who on any given day with any
record can beat them at Texas Stadium on sheer heart brought about by
an extremely adversarial history."
Now, do you see that word at the end there, h-i-s-t-o-r-y? Well,
history is comprised, in part, of damn statistics and numbers from the
past, ISN'T IT??????
fsherman was discussing an "adversarial HISTORY," that's what his post
is about, that based on HISTORY, the Eagles can beat the Cowboys in
Texas Stadium. So I cited some "damn statistics" and "numbers from
the past," i.e. HISTORY, to show that exactly the opposite is true.
Don't you think the fact that the Birds lost for 13 straight years at
Dallas kinda shoots a bit of a hole in fsherman's argument? Why would
you criticize me for pointing that out? Maybe it is the truth that
really annoys you, not me.
> They mean even less than the worthless
> bandwidth I often see coming from your account. I'm glad you know
>what's happened on paper for teh last 15 years, but what I care about is
>THIS year. If you have anything valuable about this years team and its
>opposition, please make it available to us.
Thanks for asking, I promise I will.
> Sincerely
> Ryan
>jth...@moose.uvm.edu
>J. Ryan Thomas
I apologize for screaming and ranting in this post. I just feel that
people are now seeing my name in this group, and the knee-jerk
reaction is to flame me. I have been accused of bashing people, and
the Eagles.. well I say it is now many of you who are jumping down my
throat for no reason. Everything I wrote in the reply to fsherman
post was correct. This J. Ryan made stuff up, tried to stick it into
the original post, and flamed me with absolutely no provocation or
cause. So I got a little nuts...I guess if that was his intention, he
succeeded. The strange thing is, I am here trying to talk FOOTBALL,
and yet I am the one who keeps being mentioned as a candidate for a
killfile. I just don't get it...
Bard of South Philly
X X X
Eric Toth
>jth...@moose.uvm.edu (J. Ryan Thomas) wrote:
>
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Fabio, Fabio, Fabio!
You're so upset I don't have the heart to flame you. Could you please start
another pointless argument with someone so I can have fun again?
Gregory Paul Motlasz
Cowboys and they haven't been in the same league since. Hey, Wilbur is
46 now and selling used cars, live with it, the Eagles will never win a
Super Bowl as long as Dallas is in the same league.
MrFabulus
to finish them!
Love,
Fabio Whatever
X X X
Mike Wilson
NO!!!
Dan Weinlader
Just remember who the last team was to kick the Cowboys ass (hint: same as the
last team to kick the 49ers ass).
Just in case you forget, MNF 1992.
I admitt that Dallas has been at the top, but they are beginning their slide
down. After this year they won't be considered above everyone else as they
are now. Either they win the SB this year or they won't win it again this
century.
Dan
Brian Shaner
Just a couple of things from the weekend:
-- A day after our firts preseason game and when I log on for Monday,
there are only one or two posts about the game. My local sports bar did
not carry the game so I was unable to see anything except for Randall's
scramble, McCrary's TD dive, and Atlanta's bomb TD against Henderson on
Sportscenter. How did the Eagles look. Anderson made six field goals
(great pickup), but that means we sucked in the red zone. I hope Rhodes
addresses that problem head on because we have to have better execution
within the twenty than last year's team.
-- Andy Harmon will be about 2-3 weeks with a groin injury. This can not
help an already small and thin front line. Someone posted that Atlanta
seemed to have little problem running against us. I am really worried
about our run defense. Two years ago, before we got the fridge, teams
were running all over our defense- it was sickening to watch. Rhodes
might have to pick up some size- I am not sure if any is available and I
want nothing to do with the FA from Cleveland, Bill Johnson, who
apparently has two bad knees (he failed his physical with the Bengals)
and a drug problem
-- ESPN PrimeMonday will be doing a cover story on the Eagles' training
camp. Show starts at 7:30.
-- Dilfer did not impress me in the preseason game against the Jets. I
did like the play of Warren Sapp, who I believe could become a force in
the NFL. He has something to prove to every team, including the Eagles,
that passed him up in the draft.
-- How did our rookies look in the game: Mamula, Chris T. Jones, Brooks,
Taylor, McCrary??
-- The SF 49ers news group has 240-250 messages on its newsgroup. Please
people, I am stuck down in Durham, N.C. and need to know everything about
the Eagles. If anyone taped the Atlanta/ Philly game I would love to
grab a copy. Please e-mail me at sha...@acpub.duke.edu if you wouldn't
mind sending me a copy (will pay for costs)
GARTH LANDERS
Has anyone seen Mike Mamula in camp or preseason? I read that he is
getting killed by Antone Davis in camp and that he is under 240! Any
truth to this? Please E-mail me Birds fans.
DKope
happy to send you one after I've seen it. Send me your info .
DK...@aol.com
Michael T. Ammerman
> PLEEEEZE....Eagle fans are Still showing off thier 1979 win against the
> Cowboys and they haven't been in the same league since. Hey, Wilbur is
> 46 now and selling used cars, live with it, the Eagles will never win a
> Super Bowl as long as Dallas is in the same league.
>
>
Didn't the Eagles rattle off like 9 straight against the Cowboys in the
early nineties, late eighties? I can't remember the exact number, but we
were beating the sh*t out of regularly.
Mike
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Yun Chong
: NO!!!
Mike is correct here. We, the people who post in this newsgroup, have no
chance against against the Cowboys. :)
Going back to the question, I can interpret it in several ways:
Do the Eagles have a chance of beating the Cowboys this season in Dallas?
No.
Do the Eagles have a chance of beating the Cowboys this season in
Philadelphia?
Yes, and I think that it's a pretty good chance.
Do the Eagles have a chance of finishing this season with a better record
than the Cowboys?
I think the chance is there, but I don't think it's very high. The
Cowboys still have a good team.
Do the Eagles have a chance of beating the Cowboys this season in the
playoffs?
I don't think so, because I don't think they are going to meet in the
playoffs.
Sam Chong
J. Ryan Thomas
: Glad to oblige-- I'm ready to go...except I don't start arguments, I seem
: to finish them!
: Love,
: Fabio Whatever
: X X X
Well,
At least you are modest...*sigh*
Ryan
PS..(not directed at you..so please don't freak out again) People shoud
either learn to use their editor, or not be so lazy. Please cut out all
the crap that no one needs to read for the 4th time. Danke
Monty the Python
: -- A day after our firts preseason game and when I log on for Monday,
: not carry the game so I was unable to see anything except for Randall's
: scramble, McCrary's TD dive, and Atlanta's bomb TD against Henderson on
: Sportscenter. How did the Eagles look. Anderson made six field goals
: (great pickup), but that means we sucked in the red zone. I hope Rhodes
: addresses that problem head on because we have to have better execution
: within the twenty than last year's team.
Well our starters looked good, but the backups kinda didn't really inspire
confidence. Were it not for Atlanta's numerous turnovers, we would have
lost the game.... not exactly something to inspire confidence.
Still, it was just a preseason game, so hopefully there is nothing to
worry about...
: -- Andy Harmon will be about 2-3 weeks with a groin injury. This can not
: help an already small and thin front line. Someone posted that Atlanta
: seemed to have little problem running against us. I am really worried
: about our run defense. Two years ago, before we got the fridge, teams
: were running all over our defense- it was sickening to watch. Rhodes
: might have to pick up some size- I am not sure if any is available and I
: want nothing to do with the FA from Cleveland, Bill Johnson, who
: apparently has two bad knees (he failed his physical with the Bengals)
: and a drug problem
Renfro, if he gets his lazy butt in line...
Jerry (or is it Bill?) Fontenot is a big fast guy, but apparently Rhodes is
not too impressed with him.
I think the Cowpukes are going to run all over us, I am afraid...
: -- Dilfer did not impress me in the preseason game against the Jets. I
: did like the play of Warren Sapp, who I believe could become a force in
: the NFL. He has something to prove to every team, including the Eagles,
: that passed him up in the draft.
Yeah, coupled with the fact that IMO Mamula did not exactly have a great
game, makes me wonder if we are looknig at another wasted first round
pick - or atleast a not-so-good pick. (I still laud Rhodes for going
after the guy he wanted. Richie had this amazing habit of stockpiling his
lower-round picks only to release the draftees after a year..)
: -- How did our rookies look in the game: Mamula, Chris T. Jones, Brooks,
: Taylor, McCrary??
Brooks did ok, again IMO - however, he wasn't matched up against anyone
good. Most of the time, he kept Randall safe (anyone remember which side
the lone Randall sack came from?)
Jones dropped an easy pass, if i remember right...caught some too. He looked
pretty good as a third receiver.
Taylor got a couple of good open-field tackles - on the QB however.
McCrary looked decent as a fullback - got a few good hits on the MLB
and got some other not-so-good hits...
I liked Dickerson, Witherspoon (the running back - hope i have his name right)
and especially Henderson...
: -- The SF 49ers news group has 240-250 messages on its newsgroup. Please
: people, I am stuck down in Durham, N.C. and need to know everything about
: the Eagles. If anyone taped the Atlanta/ Philly game I would love to
: grab a copy. Please e-mail me at sha...@acpub.duke.edu if you wouldn't
: mind sending me a copy (will pay for costs)
Of course, I saw the game drunk so i might be slightly off-base.. :)
Vandit
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L.J. Gould
Motlasz) writes:
>
>PLEEEEZE....Eagle fans are Still showing off thier 1979 win against
the
>Cowboys and they haven't been in the same league since. Hey, Wilbur
is
>46 now and selling used cars, live with it, the Eagles will never win
a
>Super Bowl as long as Dallas is in the same league.
just remember we will always win as fans what a bunch of wuss fans
down at texas stadium. they all dropped off like flies when the girls
were losing big time. remember the snow bowl at the vet
go birds
Paddler494
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