What the Raiders paid Russell
The Shadow
by Vittorio Tafur
On Sept. 11, 2007, after a long holdout, No. 1 overall draft pick
JaMarcus Russell agreed with the Raiders on a $61 million, six-year
contract, of which $31 million was guaranteed. On Thursday, the team cut
him. Here's what Russell cost the team, and what the team is saving by
cutting him.
The payouts:
2007: $3 million
2008: $20.3 million
2009: $13.1 million
2010: $3 million
Total: $39.4 million
The non-payouts:
2010: $6.5 million
2011: $9.4 million
2012: $5.8 million
Total: $21.7 million
Gary DeWaay
mie...@bright.net says...
He hit the lottery for 40 mill and pissed away another 20.
Not unusal for lottery winners that did nothing to deserve it.
MIB
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2...@sio.midco> wrote in message
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> He hit the lottery for 40 mill and pissed away another 20.
>
> Not unusal for lottery winners that did nothing to deserve it.
>
Another reason why all rookies should get league minimum, and no guarantees.
Gary DeWaay
broken...@ask.com says...
It will prolly be part of the next CBA.
Well, it won't be league minimums... high draft picks should still be
rewarded, but being paid better than top proven players has to end.
Somewhere in the middle should be fine. A top draft pick should not get
paid a dime more than the median income of all players IMO.
MIB
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2...@sio.midco> wrote in message
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> It will prolly be part of the next CBA.
>
> Well, it won't be league minimums... high draft picks should still be
> rewarded, but being paid better than top proven players has to end.
>
> Somewhere in the middle should be fine. A top draft pick should not get
> paid a dime more than the median income of all players IMO.
No.
No rookie should make more than *ANY* non-rookie. In fact, there should
be a pay scale that is lower than the league minimum for rookies.
Draft position is hype, and any salary based on draft position is bullshit.
Gary DeWaay
broken...@ask.com MIB says...
In reality this will never happen.
Under such a scenario, there would be no incentive to excel in college
(The NFL's "minor league") and the NCAA carries almost as much clout as
the NFL... why would they bite the hand that feeds them?
Plus agents would be outraged, and they are a big part of the NFL also.
No major business like the NFL will chop their partners off at the
knees.
The reward for being great in college will always be great... its just
not going to be ludicrously great any more.
Starting in the middle makes the most sense to me.. that way there is
still incentive to excel in college, and then to get the top reward,
incentive to excel in the pro's also.
As it is now, all you have to do is excel in college and get the top
salary. Its rediculous.
Brit Raider
NFL minimum.
Rookies should get minimum guaranteed for two years, and then negotiate a
new contract based on their performance.
If they play hard, train hard and perform - THEN the mega-bucks start to
roll in, not before.
--
-=<BritRaider>=-
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2...@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
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Gary DeWaay
brit_...@ntlworld.com says...
> 99.9% of college leavers would probably kill to get a starting wage equal to
> NFL minimum.
>
Ok... now I had to go look... we aren't really arguing about that much
difference.
The median, which was $770,000 last year, is a little over double the
league minimum for a rookie in 2010... $325,000.
I stand by my idea... start the rookies out at a top salary of the
league median...
Ironside
> In article <hrvvpv$kj...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> brokenaddr...@ask.com says...
>
>
>
> > "Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco> wrote in message
> >news:MPG.264d19317...@news.astraweb.com...
>
> > > He hit the lottery for 40 mill and pissed away another 20.
>
> > > Not unusal for lottery winners that did nothing to deserve it.
>
> > Another reason why all rookies should get league minimum, and no guarantees.
>
> It will prolly be part of the next CBA.
>
> Well, it won't be league minimums... high draft picks should still be
> rewarded, but being paid better than top proven players has to end.
>
> Somewhere in the middle should be fine. A top draft pick should not get
> paid a dime more than the median income of all players IMO.
Why should the good young talented players that worked to achieve
world class athleticism be punished because some teams are so fucking
stupid?
Ironside
> In article <U2XEn.22070$zG5.16...@newsfe20.ams2>,
> brit_rai...@ntlworld.com says...
>
> > 99.9% of college leavers would probably kill to get a starting wage equal to
> > NFL minimum.
>
> Ok... now I had to go look... we aren't really arguing about that much
> difference.
>
> The median, which was $770,000 last year, is a little over double the
> league minimum for a rookie in 2010... $325,000.
>
> I stand by my idea... start the rookies out at a top salary of the
> league median...
So a guy that comes in and makes an immediate impact like Adrian
Peterson who worked his ass off in highschool and college should take
the risk of a career ending injury for $800,000? I consder the money
the Raiders spent on Russell, McFadden and DHB to be a stupid tax on
Al Davis moreso than the players being paid too much.
Gary DeWaay
@z17g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, old_ir...@hotmail.com says...
>
> On 7 May, 10:34, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco> wrote:
> > In article <U2XEn.22070$zG5.16...@newsfe20.ams2>,
> > brit_rai...@ntlworld.com says...
> >
> > > 99.9% of college leavers would probably kill to get a starting wage equal to
> > > NFL minimum.
> >
> > Ok... now I had to go look... we aren't really arguing about that much
> > difference.
> >
> > The median, which was $770,000 last year, is a little over double the
> > league minimum for a rookie in 2010... $325,000.
> >
> > I stand by my idea... start the rookies out at a top salary of the
> > league median...
>
> So a guy that comes in and makes an immediate impact like Adrian
> Peterson who worked his ass off in highschool and college should take
> the risk of a career ending injury for $800,000?
Most athletes have insurance for that. And after two years, he can sign
any contract he can sign with the same team he was drafted by.
I consder the money
> the Raiders spent on Russell, McFadden and DHB to be a stupid tax on
> Al Davis moreso than the players being paid too much.
This isn't about the Raiders. This is about somone like Mathew Stafford
making as much money (if not more) than most of the top ten QB's in the
league before he takes a snap in the NFL.
Its frigging retarded. No wonder you support it.
Ironside
> In article <72c4d58e-79c9-4ebf-bd55-a6bc219859e6
> @z17g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com says...
>
> - Show quoted text -
As the parent of a son who was at one time scouted by major league
baseball scouts, I'm in favor of young athletes getting every dime
they can squeeze out of billionaire franchise owners. Young men are
commodities, one hard fall on their shoulder or a hit to their knee
and a young lifetime of dedication is over. Insurance? Hah!!! You''re
a freakin joke Gary. No insurance is going to pay anything close to
what these guys are making today. It's the teams' fault if they can't
figure out who to draft, and who not to draft. The average NFL career
is only about 4 years. They deserve whatever they can get in that 4
year period. Most already make the pittance that you say they should
make. A few elite 1st rounders make what Russell got paid.
MIB
"Ironside" <old_ir...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ed5004d-460e-45e9...@a16g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>They deserve whatever they can get in that 4
> year period. Most already make the pittance that you say they should
> make. A few elite 1st rounders make what Russell got paid.
How very Jewish of you.
MIB
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2...@sio.midco> wrote in message
news:MPG.264e0b208...@news.astraweb.com...
> I stand by my idea... start the rookies out at a top salary of the
> league median...
That's like starting an apprentice at full journeyman.
tsp
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2...@sio.midco> wrote in message
news:MPG.264e34dee...@news.astraweb.com...
> In article <72c4d58e-79c9-4ebf-bd55-a6bc219859e6
> @z17g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, old_ir...@hotmail.com says...
>>
>snip<
Gary DeWaay
broken...@ask.com says...
A better analogy for you is demanding the top college acedemic prospect
take the same pay as a janitor of a major company straight out of
college.
Hey, he hasn't proven himself yet... why not start him out at the bottom
of the pay scale?
Quit being rediculous.
Gary DeWaay
@a16g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, old_ir...@hotmail.com says...
>
> On 7 May, 13:32, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco> wrote:
> > In article <72c4d58e-79c9-4ebf-bd55-a6bc219859e6
> > @z17g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com says...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 7 May, 10:34, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco> wrote:
> > > > In article <U2XEn.22070$zG5.16...@newsfe20.ams2>,
> > > > brit_rai...@ntlworld.com says...
> >
> > > > > 99.9% of college leavers would probably kill to get a starting wage equal to
> > > > > NFL minimum.
> >
> > > > Ok... now I had to go look... we aren't really arguing about that much
> > > > difference.
> >
> > > > The median, which was $770,000 last year, is a little over double the
> > > > league minimum for a rookie in 2010... $325,000.
> >
> > > > I stand by my idea... start the rookies out at a top salary of the
> > > > league median...
> >
> > > So a guy that comes in and makes an immediate impact like Adrian
> > > Peterson who worked his ass off in highschool and college should take
> > > the risk of a career ending injury for $800,000?
> >
> > any contract he can sign with the same team he was drafted by. ￜ
> >
> > ï¿œI consder the money
> >
> > > the Raiders spent on Russell, McFadden and DHB to be a stupid tax on
> > > Al Davis moreso than the players being paid too much.
> >
> > making as much money (if not more) than most of the top ten QB's in the
> > league before he takes a snap in the NFL.
> >
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> As the parent of a son who was at one time scouted by major league
> baseball scouts, I'm in favor of young athletes getting every dime
> they can squeeze out of billionaire franchise owners. Young men are
> commodities, one hard fall on their shoulder or a hit to their knee
> and a young lifetime of dedication is over. Insurance? Hah!!! You''re
> a freakin joke Gary. No insurance is going to pay anything close to
> what these guys are making today. It's the teams' fault if they can't
> figure out who to draft, and who not to draft. The average NFL career
> is only about 4 years. They deserve whatever they can get in that 4
> year period. Most already make the pittance that you say they should
> make. A few elite 1st rounders make what Russell got paid.
I'm arguing with one person that thinks they don't deserve any more than
the worst player in the NFL, and another that thinks they deserve as
much as the very best.
Good gawd.
I think I will just go drink beer instead...
Sac D
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2...@sio.midco> wrote in message
>
>
> I'm arguing with one person that thinks they don't deserve any more than
> the worst player in the NFL, and another that thinks they deserve as
> much as the very best.
>
> Good gawd.
>
> I think I will just go drink beer instead...
>
That's the best statement so far in this entire thread!
Ironside
> In article <1ed5004d-460e-45e9-abf1-a7498941c922
> @a16g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 7 May, 13:32, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco> wrote:
> > > In article <72c4d58e-79c9-4ebf-bd55-a6bc219859e6
> > > @z17g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > > > On 7 May, 10:34, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco> wrote:
> > > > > In article <U2XEn.22070$zG5.16...@newsfe20.ams2>,
> > > > > brit_rai...@ntlworld.com says...
>
> > > > > > 99.9% of college leavers would probably kill to get a starting wage equal to
> > > > > > NFL minimum.
>
> > > > > Ok... now I had to go look... we aren't really arguing about that much
> > > > > difference.
>
> > > > > The median, which was $770,000 last year, is a little over double the
> > > > > league minimum for a rookie in 2010... $325,000.
>
> > > > > I stand by my idea... start the rookies out at a top salary of the
> > > > > league median...
>
> > > > So a guy that comes in and makes an immediate impact like Adrian
> > > > Peterson who worked his ass off in highschool and college should take
> > > > the risk of a career ending injury for $800,000?
>
> > > any contract he can sign with the same team he was drafted by.
>
>
> > > > the Raiders spent on Russell, McFadden and DHB to be a stupid tax on
> > > > Al Davis moreso than the players being paid too much.
>
> > > making as much money (if not more) than most of the top ten QB's in the
> > > league before he takes a snap in the NFL.
>
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > As the parent of a son who was at one time scouted by major league
> > baseball scouts, I'm in favor of young athletes getting every dime
> > they can squeeze out of billionaire franchise owners. Young men are
> > commodities, one hard fall on their shoulder or a hit to their knee
> > and a young lifetime of dedication is over. Insurance? Hah!!! You''re
> > a freakin joke Gary. No insurance is going to pay anything close to
> > what these guys are making today. It's the teams' fault if they can't
> > figure out who to draft, and who not to draft. The average NFL career
> > is only about 4 years. They deserve whatever they can get in that 4
> > year period. Most already make the pittance that you say they should
> > make. A few elite 1st rounders make what Russell got paid.
>
> I'm arguing with one person that thinks they don't deserve any more than
> the worst player in the NFL, and another that thinks they deserve as
> much as the very best.
>
> Good gawd.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
No one ever accused you of being intelligent Gary, that much is for
sure. Maybe one day you will figure it out. But if you take away the
big paydays from the elite players coming out of college, that won't
translate into higher salaries for veterans. It will only hurt the
game. I'm sure major league baseball, would love to see another Willie
Mays or Hank Aaron. Football will lose a lot more elite athletes to
other sports like baseball and hockey. But what else should I expect
from someone whose only choice is between a dairy cow and a sheep?
F. Kurgan Gringioni
> But if you take away the
> big paydays from the elite players coming out of college, that won't
> translate into higher salaries for veterans.
If they keep the salary cap the same, it will translate into higher salaries
for proven veterans.
The rookies still deserve to make something, but the problem is that they're
being paid for what they did in college, not what they've done in the NFL.
Jamarcus Russell got paid $40 million for what he did in college. That's
somewhat whacked. NFL salaries should be based upon what a player can do in
the NFL, not what they did in college.
F. Kurgan Gringioni
> Why should the good young talented players that worked to achieve
> world class athleticism be punished because some teams are so fucking
> stupid?
All teams have this problem.
Success in college does not necessarily translate into success in the NFL.
The NFL game moves way faster and they don't have a way to test for the
faster split second decision making skills that are necessary to make the
transition. As a result, some rookies earn their keep while some others
(like Russell) are a complete waste of money.
The money should go to players who have proven themselves at the NFL level.
Gary DeWaay
32g2000prq.googlegroups.com>, old_ir...@hotmail.com Ironside says...
>
> No one ever accused you of being intelligent Gary, that much is for
> sure. Maybe one day you will figure it out. But if you take away the
> big paydays from the elite players coming out of college, that won't
> translate into higher salaries for veterans. It will only hurt the
> game. I'm sure major league baseball, would love to see another Willie
> Mays or Hank Aaron. Football will lose a lot more elite athletes to
> other sports like baseball and hockey. But what else should I expect
> from someone whose only choice is between a dairy cow and a sheep?
So your idea of "intelligence" is that if these players don't receive
the highest salaries in the NFL before even taking a snap in the NFL,
they will play a different sport? You mean like BASEBALL where nearly
everyone plays quite awhile (for a meager salary) in the minors before
playing in the bigs??
Phew!
I think I will stay here amongst the cows and sheep! They possess more
IQ than you have ever exhibited.
Ironside
> In article <5970558c-730d-4447-8feb-f3893cced80c@
http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/articles/DisplayArticle.aspx?article=1611
Ironside
> "Ironside" <old_irons...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
It's whacked because the Raiders were stupid enough to draft him with
the very first pick. At LSU he had 3 receivers that are all in the
NFL. Dwayne Bowe (another 1st rounder) was a big target at 6' 2" 220#,
especially against smaller college DBs. Russell was man-child against
boys in college. How could he not have success at 6'6" throwing to the
receivers he had? No one is holding a gun against the owners heads
forcing them to pay out big bucks. In the Raiders case, they'd have
been better not signing any of their 3 first rounders from 2007 to
2009. They were stupid.
Izzy
As far as salary caps go, I think the first and most important
viewpoint should be, "For the good of the game."Baseball is a shining
example of that. Football is competitive in every city, Basketball is
close, and baseball is as far from balanced as any sport can be.
Rookies in football have a right to be paid for their talent, but I do
think it should be capped so that lawyers (agents) can't hold team
hostage as the agents for Russell and Michael Crabtree did. I'm not
saying they should be paid league minimum either. But there should be
a cap on the madness. take the money that's saved and put it toward a
fund for retired players who were incapacitated by their commitment to
the game.
Ironside
>
> - Show quoted text -
The television revenues in football are humungous and they are divided
equally (approximately $125 million per team) among all teams. There's
almost no such thing as local media revenue for an NFL team because
the only local media is radio. The primary revenue differentiators in
football is stadium revenue and merchandising. Baseball has those
diferentiators and many more. The New York Yankees revenue for local
cable TV is over $100 million per year. There is some revenue sharing
in baseball but only the very top teams cutting a check to the very
bottom revenue teams. The problems with baseball is the opposite of
football though. It's not the rookie contracts that are driving up
costs, it's the free agency contracts that are driving up costs.
I agree with your position on the NFL draft. IMO, if you are the very
first pick in the NFL draft, you should be guaranteed millions of
dollars. Each subsequent selection shot be slotted for a little bet
less. The formula should be based on historic comparisons and I agree
the difference should go to providing benefits to retired players.
It's still up to the NFL scouts and teams to get it right when it
comes to making those selections.
Ironside
> "Ironside" <old_irons...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:73bcbce9-5bed-4eee...@l6g2000vbo.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Why should the good young talented players that worked to achieve
> > world class athleticism be punished because some teams are so fucking
> > stupid?
>
> All teams have this problem.
>
That's fucking bullshit. It's called doing your homework. You need
scouts that have an eye for talent and the ability to project a
players potential. There is so much hype following some young players.
It's the scouts responisbility to cut through the hype and objectively
evaluate the talent, competiveness, character and work ethic of a
prospective draftee. Any team that fails to properly evaluate players
deserves to get boned IMO.
Gary DeWaay
@a16g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, old_ir...@hotmail.com Ironside
says...
The number one pick should get a 7 million dollar signing bonus is your
point? Hell, JaMoney got nearly half of that getting cut this year!
Woool damn!
Why didn't you just say so?
We are in perfect agreement.
Ironside
> In article <3a96e259-4117-4c65-8ddb-1138aa5f9023
> @a16g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com Ironside
>
> - Show quoted text -
Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary...
Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary...
[shaking head]
Analysis isn't one of your strong suits. Look at the list again. Five
of the top 11 picks of last years MLB draft were high schoolers. They
averaged $3.17 million in bonus money between them. The top 5 college
draft picks averaged $4.9 million. Except for the number one pick,
these are players who most likely will not make it to the major
leagues for at least 3 years. In many cases it can take up to seven
years for an MLB first rounder o make it to the majors. There are also
more selections in the MLB draft (50 rounds).
My point was to refute your statement regarding "meager salary". The
top picks in baseball get significant bonuses too. Nowhere near what
the NFL pays out, but the top NFL draft picks go straight to playing
in the NFL. The top picks in baseball don't go straight to the majors.
But if idiots like you have it your way, football will lose a lot of
athletes to baseball (and basketball).
Ironside
> In article <3a96e259-4117-4c65-8ddb-1138aa5f9023
> @a16g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com Ironside
>
> - Show quoted text -
You said previously in this thread that you don't think the top pick
should get more than the median salary.
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/mediansalaries.aspx?year=2007
The median salary in the NFL in 2009 is roughly $770,000. In 2008 it
was about $720,000.
Momma Raider
thought of some inner city kid or southern farm boy strapping on hockey
skates is ridiculous.....MR
MIB
"Ironside" <old_ir...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip crap]
> I agree with your position on the NFL draft. IMO, if you are the very
> first pick in the NFL draft, you should be guaranteed millions of dollars.
[snip rest of crap]
This is extreme stupidity. Proven ability should determine salary, and those
salaries should be structured across the entire NFL. Base play gets you
base pay. Anything else is incentive driven. Powder puff rewards should
be given to all players that play in the league so that *ALL* share in the
revenue. Sure, the QB is the star, but he isn't worth shit without a supporting
cast. It is a *TEAM* sport, after all.
The take 'em for all that you can get mentality is intellectually dishonest, and
a player's draft position is a piss poor determination of anything. Most
players
don't pan out, period. This is for all rounds.
Have a nice day and go pound a Al Davis bobble-head up your ass. That's for
old times sake. :)
Ironside
> I think Gary is spot on.
I'm shocked!!!
> The rookie cap hasn't hurt the NBA
The NBA rookie cap guarantees millions (on a sliding scale) to any
player taken in the first round. The average salary in the NBA is
close to $6 million. Have you been to an NBA game lately? It's cheap.
I spent $160 bucks for two tickets befind the basket for a Lkaers game
and that was face value.
> aand the
> thought of some inner city kid or southern farm boy strapping on hockey
> skates is ridiculous.....MR
The hockey reference for for the Dakota boy. Obviously it buzzed over
you.
Ironside
> "Ironside" <old_irons...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Wow. You must have taken first place on your high school debate team.
How brilliant you are!!!
MIB
"Ironside" <old_ir...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a8ff694-dd84-4a35...@v29g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> Wow. You must have taken first place on your high school debate team.
> How brilliant you are!!!
My victory is duly noted, ol' Ironsighs.
Ironside
> "Ironside" <old_irons...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Sure. With quotes like this:
"...a player's draft position is a piss poor determination of
anything."
You're my hero.
Gary DeWaay
@p2g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, old_ir...@hotmail.com says...
>
> On 10 May, 14:40, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco.net> wrote:
> > In article <3a96e259-4117-4c65-8ddb-1138aa5f9023
> > says...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 10 May, 08:18, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco.net> wrote:
> > > > In article <5970558c-730d-4447-8feb-f3893cced80c@
> >
> > > > > No one ever accused you of being intelligent Gary, that much is for
> > > > > sure. Maybe one day you will figure it out. But if you take away the
> > > > > big paydays from the elite players coming out of college, that won't
> > > > > translate into higher salaries for veterans. It will only hurt the
> > > > > game. I'm sure major league baseball, would love to see another Willie
> > > > > Mays or Hank Aaron. Football will lose a lot more elite athletes to
> > > > > other sports like baseball and hockey. But what else should I expect
> > > > > from someone whose only choice is between a dairy cow and a sheep?
> >
> > > > So your idea of "intelligence" is that if these players don't receive
> > > > the highest salaries in the NFL before even taking a snap in the NFL,
> > > > everyone plays quite awhile (for a meager salary) in the minors before
> > > > playing in the bigs??
> >
> > > > Phew!
> >
> > > > I think I will stay here amongst the cows and sheep! They possess more
> > > > IQ than you have ever exhibited.
> >
> > >http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/articles/DisplayArticle.aspx?article=1611
> >
> > The number one pick should get a 7 million dollar signing bonus is your
> >
> > Woool damn!
> >
> > Why didn't you just say so?
> >
> > We are in perfect agreement.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary...
> Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary...
>
> [shaking head]
>
> Analysis isn't one of your strong suits. Look at the list again. Five
> of the top 11 picks of last years MLB draft were high schoolers. They
> averaged $3.17 million in bonus money between them. The top 5 college
> draft picks averaged $4.9 million. Except for the number one pick,
> these are players who most likely will not make it to the major
> leagues for at least 3 years. In many cases it can take up to seven
> years for an MLB first rounder o make it to the majors. There are also
> more selections in the MLB draft (50 rounds).
So your point is that the top NFL draft picks should get just a few
million a year for their first 3 to 7 years?
JFC... we get the hint... you are a MORON. Why keep typing?
Hint: you are making MY point, not your own.
>
> My point was to refute your statement regarding "meager salary".
IN CAMPARISON TO THE NFL's TEN TO FIFTEEN MILLION PER YEAR??
WTF?
Thats PER YEAR, not a signing bonus.
The
> top picks in baseball get significant bonuses too. Nowhere near what
> the NFL pays out, but the top NFL draft picks go straight to playing
> in the NFL. The top picks in baseball don't go straight to the majors.
> But if idiots like you have it your way, football will lose a lot of
> athletes to baseball (and basketball).
So they can make 13 million LESS a year at start, and toil away for up
to 7 years in the minors (something you just admitted above).
Got it.
[swirling eyes]
Gary DeWaay
@f14g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, old_ir...@hotmail.com says...
>
> On 10 May, 14:40, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco.net> wrote:
> > In article <3a96e259-4117-4c65-8ddb-1138aa5f9023
> > says...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 10 May, 08:18, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco.net> wrote:
> > > > In article <5970558c-730d-4447-8feb-f3893cced80c@
> >
> > > > > No one ever accused you of being intelligent Gary, that much is for
> > > > > sure. Maybe one day you will figure it out. But if you take away the
> > > > > big paydays from the elite players coming out of college, that won't
> > > > > translate into higher salaries for veterans. It will only hurt the
> > > > > game. I'm sure major league baseball, would love to see another Willie
> > > > > Mays or Hank Aaron. Football will lose a lot more elite athletes to
> > > > > other sports like baseball and hockey. But what else should I expect
> > > > > from someone whose only choice is between a dairy cow and a sheep?
> >
> > > > So your idea of "intelligence" is that if these players don't receive
> > > > the highest salaries in the NFL before even taking a snap in the NFL,
> > > > everyone plays quite awhile (for a meager salary) in the minors before
> > > > playing in the bigs??
> >
> > > > Phew!
> >
> > > > I think I will stay here amongst the cows and sheep! They possess more
> > > > IQ than you have ever exhibited.
> >
> > >http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/articles/DisplayArticle.aspx?article=1611
> >
> > The number one pick should get a 7 million dollar signing bonus is your
> >
> > Woool damn!
> >
> > Why didn't you just say so?
> >
> > We are in perfect agreement.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You said previously in this thread that you don't think the top pick
> should get more than the median salary.
>
> http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/mediansalaries.aspx?year=2007
>
> The median salary in the NFL in 2009 is roughly $770,000. In 2008 it
> was about $720,000.
7 million is still 33 million less than what JaMoney got... I can handle
that.
But thats not what you said... you said they deserve every dollar they
can get their hands on... which currently is around 45 million
GUARANTEED.
45 million is quite a bit larger than 7 million. Why, if you asked a
5th grader he would say over 6 times as much.
You REALLY suck at this, you know?
Ironside
> In article <c82c84c8-9315-413a-9b5d-25c299a23803
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10 May, 14:40, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco.net> wrote:
> > > In article <3a96e259-4117-4c65-8ddb-1138aa5f9023
> > > @a16g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com Ironside
>
> > > > On 10 May, 08:18, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco.net> wrote:
> > > > > In article <5970558c-730d-4447-8feb-f3893cced80c@
>
> > > > > > No one ever accused you of being intelligent Gary, that much is for
> > > > > > sure. Maybe one day you will figure it out. But if you take away the
> > > > > > big paydays from the elite players coming out of college, that won't
> > > > > > translate into higher salaries for veterans. It will only hurt the
> > > > > > game. I'm sure major league baseball, would love to see another Willie
> > > > > > Mays or Hank Aaron. Football will lose a lot more elite athletes to
> > > > > > other sports like baseball and hockey. But what else should I expect
> > > > > > from someone whose only choice is between a dairy cow and a sheep?
>
> > > > > So your idea of "intelligence" is that if these players don't receive
> > > > > the highest salaries in the NFL before even taking a snap in the NFL,
> > > > > everyone plays quite awhile (for a meager salary) in the minors before
> > > > > playing in the bigs??
>
> > > > > Phew!
>
> > > > > I think I will stay here amongst the cows and sheep! They possess more
> > > > > IQ than you have ever exhibited.
>
> > > >http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/articles/DisplayArticle.aspx?article=1611
>
> > > The number one pick should get a 7 million dollar signing bonus is your
>
> > > Woool damn!
>
> > > Why didn't you just say so?
>
> > > We are in perfect agreement.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > You said previously in this thread that you don't think the top pick
> > should get more than the median salary.
>
>
> > The median salary in the NFL in 2009 is roughly $770,000. In 2008 it
> > was about $720,000.
>
> 7 million is still 33 million less than what JaMoney got... I can handle
> that.
>
> But thats not what you said... you said they deserve every dollar they
> can get their hands on... which currently is around 45 million
> GUARANTEED.
>
> 45 million is quite a bit larger than 7 million. Why, if you asked a
> 5th grader he would say over 6 times as much.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
You fucking liar. You said (and I'll quote you) that:
"Somewhere in the middle should be fine. A top draft pick should not
get paid a dime more than the median income of all players IMO."
Well, the median last year was $770,000. I showed you that the top
baseball draft picks who can take up to seven years to make it to the
majors get signing bonuses on average of $5 million (for college
players) and over $3 million for high school players. Baseball
draftees are by far less proven and less ready for the big stage than
college football draftees. But keep on spinning this Gray. You've
waffled on every post. Just admit that you're a fucking idiot and I
will stop torturing you.
Ironside
> @f14g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10 May, 14:40, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco.net> wrote:
> > > In article <3a96e259-4117-4c65-8ddb-1138aa5f9023
> > > @a16g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com Ironside
>
> > > > On 10 May, 08:18, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco.net> wrote:
> > > > > In article <5970558c-730d-4447-8feb-f3893cced80c@
>
> > > > > > No one ever accused you of being intelligent Gary, that much is for
> > > > > > sure. Maybe one day you will figure it out. But if you take away the
> > > > > > big paydays from the elite players coming out of college, that won't
> > > > > > translate into higher salaries for veterans. It will only hurt the
> > > > > > game. I'm sure major league baseball, would love to see another Willie
> > > > > > Mays or Hank Aaron. Football will lose a lot more elite athletes to
> > > > > > other sports like baseball and hockey. But what else should I expect
> > > > > > from someone whose only choice is between a dairy cow and a sheep?
>
> > > > > So your idea of "intelligence" is that if these players don't receive
> > > > > the highest salaries in the NFL before even taking a snap in the NFL,
> > > > > everyone plays quite awhile (for a meager salary) in the minors before
> > > > > playing in the bigs??
>
> > > > > Phew!
>
> > > > > I think I will stay here amongst the cows and sheep! They possess more
> > > > > IQ than you have ever exhibited.
>
> > > >http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/articles/DisplayArticle.aspx?article=1611
>
> > > The number one pick should get a 7 million dollar signing bonus is your
>
> > > Woool damn!
>
> > > Why didn't you just say so?
>
> > > We are in perfect agreement.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > You said previously in this thread that you don't think the top pick
> > should get more than the median salary.
>
>
> > The median salary in the NFL in 2009 is roughly $770,000. In 2008 it
> > was about $720,000.
>
> 7 million is still 33 million less than what JaMoney got... I can handle
> that.
>
> But thats not what you said... you said they deserve every dollar they
> can get their hands on... which currently is around 45 million
> GUARANTEED.
>
> 45 million is quite a bit larger than 7 million. Why, if you asked a
> 5th grader he would say over 6 times as much.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah, I know. Especially since so many baseball players get strapped
to gurney's and wheeled off the field with their thumbs up and their
necks in braces every season.. Especially since so many baseball
players are broken and beaten up when there careers are over and
indigent and unable to receive the medical treatment they need for
injuries sustained while playing in the major leagues. Keep it up
Gary. I got more punishment to dish out.
Ironside
> In article <3e69c694-fa0d-4cdc-a490-d3921b8ce2a8
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10 May, 14:40, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco.net> wrote:
> > > In article <3a96e259-4117-4c65-8ddb-1138aa5f9023
> > > @a16g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com Ironside
>
> > > > On 10 May, 08:18, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco.net> wrote:
> > > > > In article <5970558c-730d-4447-8feb-f3893cced80c@
>
> > > > > > No one ever accused you of being intelligent Gary, that much is for
> > > > > > sure. Maybe one day you will figure it out. But if you take away the
> > > > > > big paydays from the elite players coming out of college, that won't
> > > > > > translate into higher salaries for veterans. It will only hurt the
> > > > > > game. I'm sure major league baseball, would love to see another Willie
> > > > > > Mays or Hank Aaron. Football will lose a lot more elite athletes to
> > > > > > other sports like baseball and hockey. But what else should I expect
> > > > > > from someone whose only choice is between a dairy cow and a sheep?
>
> > > > > So your idea of "intelligence" is that if these players don't receive
> > > > > the highest salaries in the NFL before even taking a snap in the NFL,
> > > > > everyone plays quite awhile (for a meager salary) in the minors before
> > > > > playing in the bigs??
>
> > > > > Phew!
>
> > > > > I think I will stay here amongst the cows and sheep! They possess more
> > > > > IQ than you have ever exhibited.
>
> > > >http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/articles/DisplayArticle.aspx?article=1611
>
> > > The number one pick should get a 7 million dollar signing bonus is your
>
> - Show quoted text -
You fucking liar. You said (and I'll quote you) that:
Gary DeWaay
@q13g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>, old_ir...@hotmail.com says...
>
> On 11 May, 05:48, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco> wrote:
> > In article <3e69c694-fa0d-4cdc-a490-d3921b8ce2a8
> > @p2g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com says...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 10 May, 14:40, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco.net> wrote:
> > > > In article <3a96e259-4117-4c65-8ddb-1138aa5f9023
> > > > says...
> >
> > > > > On 10 May, 08:18, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco.net> wrote:
> > > > > > In article <5970558c-730d-4447-8feb-f3893cced80c@
> >
> > > > > > > No one ever accused you of being intelligent Gary, that much is for
> > > > > > > sure. Maybe one day you will figure it out. But if you take away the
> > > > > > > big paydays from the elite players coming out of college, that won't
> > > > > > > translate into higher salaries for veterans. It will only hurt the
> > > > > > > game. I'm sure major league baseball, would love to see another Willie
> > > > > > > Mays or Hank Aaron. Football will lose a lot more elite athletes to
> > > > > > > other sports like baseball and hockey. But what else should I expect
> > > > > > > from someone whose only choice is between a dairy cow and a sheep?
> >
> > > > > > So your idea of "intelligence" is that if these players don't receive
> > > > > > the highest salaries in the NFL before even taking a snap in the NFL,
> > > > > > everyone plays quite awhile (for a meager salary) in the minors before
> > > > > > playing in the bigs??
> >
> > > > > > Phew!
> >
> > > > > > I think I will stay here amongst the cows and sheep! They possess more
> > > > > > IQ than you have ever exhibited.
> >
> > > > >http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/articles/DisplayArticle.aspx?article=1611
> >
> > > > The number one pick should get a 7 million dollar signing bonus is your
> >
> > > > Woool damn!
> >
> > > > Why didn't you just say so?
> >
> > > > We are in perfect agreement.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary...
> > > Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary...
> >
> > > [shaking head]
> >
> > > Analysis isn't one of your strong suits. Look at the list again. Five
> > > of the top 11 picks of last years MLB draft were high schoolers. They
> > > averaged $3.17 million in bonus money between them. The top 5 college
> > > draft picks averaged $4.9 million. Except for the number one pick,
> > > these are players who most likely will not make it to the major
> > > leagues for at least 3 years. In many cases it can take up to seven
> > > years for an MLB first rounder o make it to the majors. There are also
> > > more selections in the MLB draft (50 rounds).
> >
> > So your point is that the top NFL draft picks should get just a few
> > million a year for their first 3 to 7 years?
> >
> >
> > Hint: you are making MY point, not your own.
> >
> >
> >
> > > My point was to refute your statement regarding "meager salary".
> >
> > IN CAMPARISON TO THE NFL's TEN TO FIFTEEN MILLION PER YEAR??
> >
> > WTF?
> >
> > Thats PER YEAR, not a signing bonus.
> >
> >
> > > top picks in baseball get significant bonuses too. Nowhere near what
> > > the NFL pays out, but the top NFL draft picks go straight to playing
> > > in the NFL. The top picks in baseball don't go straight to the majors.
> > > But if idiots like you have it your way, football will lose a lot of
> > > athletes to baseball (and basketball).
> >
> > So they can make 13 million LESS a year at start, and toil away for up
> > to 7 years in the minors (something you just admitted above).
> >
> > Got it.
> >
> > [swirling eyes]- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You fucking liar. You said (and I'll quote you) that:
>
> "Somewhere in the middle should be fine. A top draft pick should not
> get paid a dime more than the median income of all players IMO."
>
>
> Well, the median last year was $770,000. I showed you that the top
> baseball draft picks who can take up to seven years to make it to the
> majors get signing bonuses on average of $5 million
Where in my post did I mention signing bonuses?
(for college
> players) and over $3 million for high school players. Baseball
> draftees are by far less proven and less ready for the big stage than
> college football draftees. But keep on spinning this Gray. You've
> waffled on every post. Just admit that you're a fucking idiot and I
> will stop torturing you.
JFC... how old are you anyway?
If a number one draftee gets a 7 mill signing bonus and then competes
with the rest of the middle players in the league salary wise, I would
not have a problem with that. I think I said that.
My problem stems from him getting paid the same salary as the BEST
players in the league.
Which is what you said YOU THINK THEY DESERVE!!!
Jeesh.
Little boys on Usenet....
Ironside
> In article <ffba8c51-3396-49f0-b322-4d0ffe699958
> @q13g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 11 May, 05:48, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco> wrote:
> > > In article <3e69c694-fa0d-4cdc-a490-d3921b8ce2a8
> > > @p2g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > > > On 10 May, 14:40, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco.net> wrote:
> > > > > In article <3a96e259-4117-4c65-8ddb-1138aa5f9023
> > > > > @a16g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com Ironside
>
> > > > > > On 10 May, 08:18, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > In article <5970558c-730d-4447-8feb-f3893cced80c@
>
> > > > > > > > No one ever accused you of being intelligent Gary, that much is for
> > > > > > > > sure. Maybe one day you will figure it out. But if you take away the
> > > > > > > > big paydays from the elite players coming out of college, that won't
> > > > > > > > translate into higher salaries for veterans. It will only hurt the
> > > > > > > > game. I'm sure major league baseball, would love to see another Willie
> > > > > > > > Mays or Hank Aaron. Football will lose a lot more elite athletes to
> > > > > > > > other sports like baseball and hockey. But what else should I expect
> > > > > > > > from someone whose only choice is between a dairy cow and a sheep?
>
> > > > > > > So your idea of "intelligence" is that if these players don't receive
> > > > > > > the highest salaries in the NFL before even taking a snap in the NFL,
> > > > > > > everyone plays quite awhile (for a meager salary) in the minors before
> > > > > > > playing in the bigs??
>
> > > > > > > Phew!
>
> > > > > > > I think I will stay here amongst the cows and sheep! They possess more
> > > > > > > IQ than you have ever exhibited.
>
> > > > > >http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/articles/DisplayArticle.aspx?article=1611
>
> > > > > The number one pick should get a 7 million dollar signing bonus is your
>
> > > > > Woool damn!
>
> > > > > Why didn't you just say so?
>
> > > > > We are in perfect agreement.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary...
> > > > Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary...
>
> > > > [shaking head]
>
> > > > Analysis isn't one of your strong suits. Look at the list again. Five
> > > > of the top 11 picks of last years MLB draft were high schoolers. They
> > > > averaged $3.17 million in bonus money between them. The top 5 college
> > > > draft picks averaged $4.9 million. Except for the number one pick,
> > > > these are players who most likely will not make it to the major
> > > > leagues for at least 3 years. In many cases it can take up to seven
> > > > years for an MLB first rounder o make it to the majors. There are also
> > > > more selections in the MLB draft (50 rounds).
>
> > > So your point is that the top NFL draft picks should get just a few
> > > million a year for their first 3 to 7 years?
>
>
> > > Hint: you are making MY point, not your own.
>
> > > > My point was to refute your statement regarding "meager salary".
>
> > > IN CAMPARISON TO THE NFL's TEN TO FIFTEEN MILLION PER YEAR??
>
> > > WTF?
>
> > > Thats PER YEAR, not a signing bonus.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Keep on spinnin' now Gary. That's all you can do since your foot is
all the way down your throat already.
I stand by my idea... start the rookies out at a top salary of the
league median... Gary DeWayTooStoopid
Ironside
> In article <ffba8c51-3396-49f0-b322-4d0ffe699958
> @q13g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 11 May, 05:48, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco> wrote:
> > > In article <3e69c694-fa0d-4cdc-a490-d3921b8ce2a8
> > > @p2g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > > > On 10 May, 14:40, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco.net> wrote:
> > > > > In article <3a96e259-4117-4c65-8ddb-1138aa5f9023
> > > > > @a16g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com Ironside
>
> > > > > > On 10 May, 08:18, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > In article <5970558c-730d-4447-8feb-f3893cced80c@
>
> > > > > > > > No one ever accused you of being intelligent Gary, that much is for
> > > > > > > > sure. Maybe one day you will figure it out. But if you take away the
> > > > > > > > big paydays from the elite players coming out of college, that won't
> > > > > > > > translate into higher salaries for veterans. It will only hurt the
> > > > > > > > game. I'm sure major league baseball, would love to see another Willie
> > > > > > > > Mays or Hank Aaron. Football will lose a lot more elite athletes to
> > > > > > > > other sports like baseball and hockey. But what else should I expect
> > > > > > > > from someone whose only choice is between a dairy cow and a sheep?
>
> > > > > > > So your idea of "intelligence" is that if these players don't receive
> > > > > > > the highest salaries in the NFL before even taking a snap in the NFL,
> > > > > > > everyone plays quite awhile (for a meager salary) in the minors before
> > > > > > > playing in the bigs??
>
> > > > > > > Phew!
>
> > > > > > > I think I will stay here amongst the cows and sheep! They possess more
> > > > > > > IQ than you have ever exhibited.
>
> > > > > >http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/articles/DisplayArticle.aspx?article=1611
>
> > > > > The number one pick should get a 7 million dollar signing bonus is your
>
> > > > > Woool damn!
>
> > > > > Why didn't you just say so?
>
> > > > > We are in perfect agreement.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary...
> > > > Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary...
>
> > > > [shaking head]
>
> > > > Analysis isn't one of your strong suits. Look at the list again. Five
> > > > of the top 11 picks of last years MLB draft were high schoolers. They
> > > > averaged $3.17 million in bonus money between them. The top 5 college
> > > > draft picks averaged $4.9 million. Except for the number one pick,
> > > > these are players who most likely will not make it to the major
> > > > leagues for at least 3 years. In many cases it can take up to seven
> > > > years for an MLB first rounder o make it to the majors. There are also
> > > > more selections in the MLB draft (50 rounds).
>
> > > So your point is that the top NFL draft picks should get just a few
> > > million a year for their first 3 to 7 years?
>
>
> > > Hint: you are making MY point, not your own.
>
> > > > My point was to refute your statement regarding "meager salary".
>
> > > IN CAMPARISON TO THE NFL's TEN TO FIFTEEN MILLION PER YEAR??
>
> > > WTF?
>
> > > Thats PER YEAR, not a signing bonus.
>
>
> > > > top picks in baseball get significant bonuses too. Nowhere near what
> > > > the NFL pays out, but the top NFL draft picks go straight to playing
> > > > in the NFL. The top picks in baseball don't go straight to the majors.
> > > > But if idiots like you have it your way, football will lose a lot of
> > > > athletes to baseball (and basketball).
>
> > > So they can make 13 million LESS a year at start, and toil away for up
> > > to 7 years in the minors (something you just admitted above).
>
> > > Got it.
>
> > > [swirling eyes]- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > You fucking liar. You said (and I'll quote you) that:
>
> > "Somewhere in the middle should be fine. A top draft pick should not
> > get paid a dime more than the median income of all players IMO."
>
> > Well, the median last year was $770,000. I showed you that the top
> > baseball draft picks who can take up to seven years to make it to the
> > majors get signing bonuses on average of $5 million
>
> Where in my post did I mention signing bonuses?
You didn't. But now you're going to use bonuses as an out to save face
in a debate that you've already lost.
"Oh yeah, bonuses. I forgot about those... I'll just say they should
get a bonus like baseball and the median salary and then I won't look
so fucking stooooooopid."
>
> (for college
>
> > players) and over $3 million for high school players. Baseball
> > draftees are by far less proven and less ready for the big stage than
> > college football draftees. But keep on spinning this Gray. You've
> > waffled on every post. Just admit that you're a fucking idiot and I
> > will stop torturing you.
>
> JFC... how old are you anyway?
>
> If a number one draftee gets a 7 mill signing bonus and then competes
> with the rest of the middle players in the league salary wise, I would
> not have a problem with that. I think I said that.
>
> My problem stems from him getting paid the same salary as the BEST
> players in the league.
A lot of first round (and second rounders too) come in and make an
immediate impact, which has been an expectation from teams and fans
for long fucking time. But in the Gary DeWay world, we all need to
lower expectaions of these "proven world class athletes" and lower
their pay too. Sheeeeesh! Figure it out Gary. Some teams actually
improve every year via the draft, some teams (cough Raiders cough) get
boned every year.
>
> Which is what you said YOU THINK THEY DESERVE!!!
I said:
" I'm in favor of young athletes getting every dime they can squeeze
out of billionaire franchise owners. Young men are commodities, one
hard fall on their shoulder or a hit to their knee and a young
lifetime of dedication is over."
>
> Jeesh.
>
> Little boys on Usenet....- Hide quoted text -
Gary DeWaay
>
Actually as soon as you mentioned a meager bonus, I agreed right away.
>
> "Oh yeah, bonuses. I forgot about those... I'll just say they should
> get a bonus like baseball and the median salary and then I won't look
> so fucking stooooooopid."
No, actually a meager signing bonus in conjunction with a median salary
is an argument I would have agreed with from the beginning.
However, that isn't anything you came up with until you desperately
started to look into baseball salaries (after saying the top NFL player
would flock to baseball if a rookie cap is put in place). Your original
argument was that they deserve the top salaries in the NFL.
So we go from 40 million dollars to 7 million...
So which one of is being "stooooopid" here?
Oh wait... maybe its me in arguing with such an obvious moron?
So you are now saying they should get paid a gazillion dollars but they
dont DESERVE it?
Or WTF is your fucking point now?
Besides obsessively attempting to best me in an argument like a 13 year
old?
Ironside
> In article <4af838c4-102e-4bfd-a69e-d66d3504f00e@
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
My point? My point is you're a moron when it comes to matters of
economis. There's a reason why there getting huge paydays in football.
There's a limited number of young men who can fire the football on a
string 45 yards up the field. There's a limited number of young men
who can run 4.3 40 yard dashes while carrying an inflated pigskin and
being chased by 300 pound behemoths. There's a limited number of guys
that can run and catch a football. There's a limited number of guys
that can pursue and tackle men with world class speed. But obviously,
you don't get supply and demand economics. Baseball, recruits guys
from Latin America, Asia, the Dominican. Football, pretty much has to
recruit from American universities. There's a limited number of guys
that can even play college football and pass the scholastic curriculum
required as well. But you're too stoopid to get all that.
Gary DeWaay
@e2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, old_ir...@hotmail.com says...
> My point? My point is you're a moron when it comes to matters of
> economis. There's a reason why there getting huge paydays in football.
> There's a limited number of young men who can fire the football on a
> string 45 yards up the field. There's a limited number of young men
> who can run 4.3 40 yard dashes while carrying an inflated pigskin and
> being chased by 300 pound behemoths. There's a limited number of guys
> that can run and catch a football. There's a limited number of guys
> that can pursue and tackle men with world class speed. But obviously,
> you don't get supply and demand economics.
This isn't a supply and demand issue.
Name another business that starts a brand new employee at the very top
of the pay scale?
You wont because you CANT. Why would anyone do that? The company moral
would be non-existant if they paid hot-shot college grads as much as the
top producing employees.
Your argument is moronic.
Baseball, recruits guys
> from Latin America, Asia, the Dominican. Football, pretty much has to
> recruit from American universities. There's a limited number of guys
> that can even play college football and pass the scholastic curriculum
> required as well. But you're too stoopid to get all that.
>
So your argument now is that football has less talented people trying to
succeed than the other major sports?
Ya got any more fairy dust you want to sprinkle on this?
Football just happens to be the most popular sport in America... sure
wish there were some quality players thay would try and play it!!
Good gawd.
Go fuck yourself, moron.
I am out of this....
MIB
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2...@sio.midco> wrote in message
news:MPG.26563602...@news.astraweb.com...
> Your argument is moronic.
That about sums it up. The bitter dad whose son didn't make it...
Ironside
> "Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco> wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.26563602...@news.astraweb.com...
>
> > Your argument is moronic.
>
> That about sums it up. The bitter dad whose son didn't make it...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! More like you're the bitter ditch digger that
thinks everyone else should work for minimum wage too.
Ironside
> In article <bc75a939-a27b-4ae9-bb9e-ccaac0774ac9
>
> > My point? My point is you're a moron when it comes to matters of
> > economis. There's a reason why there getting huge paydays in football.
> > There's a limited number of young men who can fire the football on a
> > string 45 yards up the field. There's a limited number of young men
> > who can run 4.3 40 yard dashes while carrying an inflated pigskin and
> > being chased by 300 pound behemoths. There's a limited number of guys
> > that can run and catch a football. There's a limited number of guys
> > that can pursue and tackle men with world class speed. But obviously,
> > you don't get supply and demand economics.
>
> This isn't a supply and demand issue.
>
> Name another business that starts a brand new employee at the very top
> of the pay scale?
>
Obviously the concept is completely above the ability of your two
brain cells to process. Let me give you a baseball analogy. When you
buy an aluminum bat brand new off the shelf, the first time you hit
with it is as good as it will be. Each subsequent hit weakens it
structurally over time. It's value deteriorates over the course of the
season. The bat companies instruct you to turn it slightly every time
you hit with it so that you distribute the punishment equally around
the circumference. When you buy the bat it's worth the $300 you paid
for it, and if it breaks during it's warranty you can exchange it once
(and only) for a replacement. Football players are a lot like those
aluminum bats. Occasionally you will get one that lasts longer and
still has pop in it longer than usual, but father time waits for no
one.
Gary DeWaay
@m31g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, old_ir...@hotmail.com says...
>
> On 13 May, 15:15, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco> wrote:
> > In article <bc75a939-a27b-4ae9-bb9e-ccaac0774ac9
> > @e2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com says...
> >
> > > My point? My point is you're a moron when it comes to matters of
> > > economis. There's a reason why there getting huge paydays in football.
> > > There's a limited number of young men who can fire the football on a
> > > string 45 yards up the field. There's a limited number of young men
> > > who can run 4.3 40 yard dashes while carrying an inflated pigskin and
> > > being chased by 300 pound behemoths. There's a limited number of guys
> > > that can run and catch a football. There's a limited number of guys
> > > that can pursue and tackle men with world class speed. But obviously,
> > > you don't get supply and demand economics.
> >
> > This isn't a supply and demand issue.
> >
> > of the pay scale?
> >
>
>
> Obviously the concept is completely above the ability of your two
> brain cells to process. Let me give you a baseball analogy. When you
> buy an aluminum bat brand new off the shelf, the first time you hit
> with it is as good as it will be. Each subsequent hit weakens it
> structurally over time. It's value deteriorates over the course of the
> season. The bat companies instruct you to turn it slightly every time
> you hit with it so that you distribute the punishment equally around
> the circumference. When you buy the bat it's worth the $300 you paid
> for it, and if it breaks during it's warranty you can exchange it once
> (and only) for a replacement. Football players are a lot like those
> aluminum bats. Occasionally you will get one that lasts longer and
> still has pop in it longer than usual, but father time waits for no
> one.
>
>
Ok, I said I would drop this thread because you are an obvious troll
moron, but JFC, thats the stupidest analogy I have seen in quite awhile,
even coming from you.
Are you REALLY saying that a raw unpolished college player is the best
he can be straight out of college?
Cmon. Nobody is this stupid.
Brit Raider
--
-=<BritRaider>=-
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2...@sio.midco> wrote in message
news:MPG.26579d032...@news.astraweb.com...
> <big snip>
Gary DeWaay
@d39g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, old_ir...@hotmail.com says...
>
> On 9 May, 23:48, "F. Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > "Ironside" <old_irons...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> >
> > > But if you take away the
> > > big paydays from the elite players coming out of college, that won't
> > > translate into higher salaries for veterans.
> >
> > for proven veterans.
> >
> > The rookies still deserve to make something, but the problem is that they're
> > being paid for what they did in college, not what they've done in the NFL.
> > Jamarcus Russell got paid $40 million for what he did in college. That's
> > somewhat whacked. NFL salaries should be based upon what a player can do in
> > the NFL, not what they did in college.
>
> It's whacked because the Raiders were stupid enough to draft him with
> the very first pick.
Thats complete garbage... the Raiders were DESPERATE for a QB that year
after the Collins/Walter/Brooks disaster, and the only QB available at
the time was a trade for the always-mediocre Matt Shaub. Would the
Raiders been better off trading for him and picking Adrian Peterson
(something I suggested in this very forum BEFORE THE DRAFT, btw) YES.
But were the Raiders "stupid" for picking one of the top two QB's that
year at number one (the other being Brady frigging Quinn)?
Absolutely not.
They needed a QB.
At LSU he had 3 receivers that are all in the
> NFL. Dwayne Bowe (another 1st rounder) was a big target at 6' 2" 220#,
> especially against smaller college DBs. Russell was man-child against
> boys in college. How could he not have success at 6'6" throwing to the
> receivers he had? No one is holding a gun against the owners heads
> forcing them to pay out big bucks.
Funny, I don't remember you saying any of this before the fact... I
assume you can provide us with the posts here saying any of this.
I don't remember it.
To his credit, JC was correct in warning us about him, but I don't
remember your retarded ass saying anything.
> In the Raiders case, they'd have
> been better not signing any of their 3 first rounders from 2007 to
> 2009. They were stupid.
I can see McF becoming a Ronnie Harmon type RB that can catch the ball
out of the backfield on third and long... but not an every down back.
Valuable, but not number 4 overall valuable... but thats not your point.
DHB has flop written all over him but its way too early to write him off
completely. Sounds like he is working hard, and catching the ball with
his hands better, but is still struggling making adjustments to the
ball. His speed is still not something a defense can completely
ignore... especially with a QB that can hit an open receiver (or at
least identify one). I am not done with him yet... nor will I be for a
few more years... same as McF.
Do you ever bring up anything substantial and with merit to a football
conversation?
Just curious. All of this was either 20/20 hindsite bullshit, or
pretend soothsaying.
Ironside
> In article <3de108f3-49b4-49d9-a0bb-579607a81963
>
> > It's whacked because the Raiders were stupid enough to draft him with
> > the very first pick.
>
> Thats complete garbage... the Raiders were DESPERATE for a QB that year
> after the Collins/Walter/Brooks disaster, and the only QB available at
> the time was a trade for the always-mediocre Matt Shaub. Would the
> Raiders been better off trading for him and picking Adrian Peterson
> (something I suggested in this very forum BEFORE THE DRAFT, btw) YES.
>
> But were the Raiders "stupid" for picking one of the top two QB's that
> year at number one (the other being Brady frigging Quinn)?
>
> Absolutely not.
>
> They needed a QB.
>
It was stupid Gary. The Raiders had holes everywhere after the 2006
season. Drafting a QB with the first pick in the draft has
historically been successful in only a low percentage of cases. It's
the hardest position to master. The system that was employed and the
offensive line in 2006 was absolutely atrocious. How can you blame the
QBs for what happened? Also, your new head coach was not in favor of
the pick. But Davis in all his wisdom and egotism still went ahead
pulled that trigger. There were plenty of serviceable journeymen QBs.
They picked up two of them. There was no way the Raiders were going to
immediately turn around and clean up the mess that Art Shell left
behind. IIRC I did have an opinion before that draft, and I said that
the Raiders would have been better taking a page from the old George
Allen model and trade the pick for proven veterans. But you probably
wouldn't have read it because you claimed to have me in your killfile.
But that's what I expect from a complete Al Davis apologist that you
are.
Ironside
> In article <8f5277ef-8e3d-4578-b9fc-9754df9062c6
> @m31g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 13 May, 15:15, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco> wrote:
> > > In article <bc75a939-a27b-4ae9-bb9e-ccaac0774ac9
> > > @e2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > > > My point? My point is you're a moron when it comes to matters of
> > > > economis. There's a reason why there getting huge paydays in football.
> > > > There's a limited number of young men who can fire the football on a
> > > > string 45 yards up the field. There's a limited number of young men
> > > > who can run 4.3 40 yard dashes while carrying an inflated pigskin and
> > > > being chased by 300 pound behemoths. There's a limited number of guys
> > > > that can run and catch a football. There's a limited number of guys
> > > > that can pursue and tackle men with world class speed. But obviously,
> > > > you don't get supply and demand economics.
>
> > > This isn't a supply and demand issue.
>
> > > of the pay scale?
>
> > Obviously the concept is completely above the ability of your two
> > brain cells to process. Let me give you a baseball analogy. When you
> > buy an aluminum bat brand new off the shelf, the first time you hit
> > with it is as good as it will be. Each subsequent hit weakens it
> > structurally over time. It's value deteriorates over the course of the
> > season. The bat companies instruct you to turn it slightly every time
> > you hit with it so that you distribute the punishment equally around
> > the circumference. When you buy the bat it's worth the $300 you paid
> > for it, and if it breaks during it's warranty you can exchange it once
> > (and only) for a replacement. Football players are a lot like those
> > aluminum bats. Occasionally you will get one that lasts longer and
> > still has pop in it longer than usual, but father time waits for no
> > one.
>
> Ok, I said I would drop this thread because you are an obvious troll
> moron, but JFC, thats the stupidest analogy I have seen in quite awhile,
> even coming from you.
>
> Are you REALLY saying that a raw unpolished college player is the best
> he can be straight out of college?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Like I said the concept was completely above the ability of you two
brain cells to comprehend. But history says that the average NFL
career lasts 2 to 4 years. So yes, physically, I believe a football
player is the best they can be between the ages of 21 to 26 years old.
There are exceptions, but the majority of players only last 2 to 4
years. And most of those don't walk away from the game with millions
of dollars. But this debate is about whether or not the very top picks
in the draft are worth or deserving of being paid among the top paid
players in the league. You first said they shouldn't be paid a dime
more than the league median. So according to DeWaayTooStooopid logic,
Rolando McLain should be somewhere between the 27th and 30th highest
salary on the Raiders. But you traded a starting linebacker after you
drafted McLain and it certainly appears that he is being projected as
a starter. Well, Gary there are only 22 starters and according to you
McLain should be paid lower that 26 to 29 other players on the team.
How fair is that? If he's a starter, shouldn't he be paid in the top
22 ranks at least?
Then later, when you realized how fucking foolish I was making you
look, you waffled on the issue of signing bonuses, like you always
meant they should get a multimillion dollar signing bonus. And then
you annual numbers for JaCarcus Russell as if to say his salary was
too high. But those numbers also included his signing bonus. The NFLs
salary cap formula includes signing bonuses too, they just allow you
to spread them across multiple years. But you act like it was all
salary for Russell.
So now your OK with a guy getting paid $7 million in signing bonus as
long as plays for the median. But you don't say how long he should be
bound to a contract like that. 3 years? 4 years? 5 years? Obviously
you don't want to come across any more stupid than you aready have.
But let's say it's 3 years, because I believe that's the minimum
amount of years that you can spread out a signing bonus. Well, Gary,
that adds $2.25 million onto that median salary you were talking about
and according to the NFL that's $3 million a year, not $770,000.
So what is it Gary? Do you want to pay the guy "not a dime over the
median" or are you saying that they deserve $3 million a year. That's
a big difference. But it just proves a clueless fuckwad that you
really are.
Gary DeWaay
20faf0...@v37g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>, old_ir...@hotmail.com
says...
>
> On 16 May, 19:56, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco> wrote:
> > In article <3de108f3-49b4-49d9-a0bb-579607a81963
> > @d39g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, old_irons...@hotmail.com says...
> >
> > > It's whacked because the Raiders were stupid enough to draft him with
> > > the very first pick.
> >
> > Thats complete garbage... the Raiders were DESPERATE for a QB that year
> > after the Collins/Walter/Brooks disaster, and the only QB available at
> > the time was a trade for the always-mediocre Matt Shaub. Would the
> > Raiders been better off trading for him and picking Adrian Peterson
> > (something I suggested in this very forum BEFORE THE DRAFT, btw) YES.
> >
> > But were the Raiders "stupid" for picking one of the top two QB's that
> > year at number one (the other being Brady frigging Quinn)?
> >
> >
> > They needed a QB.
> >
>
> It was stupid Gary. The Raiders had holes everywhere after the 2006
> season. Drafting a QB with the first pick in the draft has
> historically been successful in only a low percentage of cases.
I guess thats news to Payton Manning, Rothy, Eli Manning, and Rivers.
Three of the four have rings to prove you wrong.
Not to mention that Ryan, Stafford, and Sanchez don't look like busts
either... all drafted in the top 10 the following years after Russell.
The Raiders were more unlucky than "stupid." JaMoney looked like a
servicable QB at the end of his second year, and if he would have worked
hard at it, might have been a middle of the pack QB... which is far from
a bust. Instead he partied and ate himself out of the NFL. How was Al
supposed to foresee that?
It's
> the hardest position to master. The system that was employed and the
> offensive line in 2006 was absolutely atrocious. How can you blame the
> QBs for what happened? Also, your new head coach was not in favor of
> the pick.
Yea, he wanted Brady Quinn instead.
But Davis in all his wisdom and egotism still went ahead
> pulled that trigger. There were plenty of serviceable journeymen QBs.
> They picked up two of them. There was no way the Raiders were going to
> immediately turn around and clean up the mess that Art Shell left
> behind. IIRC I did have an opinion before that draft,
Thought so.
and I said that
> the Raiders would have been better taking a page from the old George
> Allen model and trade the pick for proven veterans. But you probably
> wouldn't have read it because you claimed to have me in your killfile.
> But that's what I expect from a complete Al Davis apologist that you
> are.
ADDS.
Gary DeWaay
@c13g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, old_ir...@hotmail.com says...
>
> Like I said the concept was completely above the ability of you two
> brain cells to comprehend. But history says that the average NFL
> career lasts 2 to 4 years.
>
Its actually 3.5 seasons... and thats mostly because there are so many
players that only last less than one season... the late rounders that
almost always get cut.
The top draft picks career last a lot longer than that.
According to your "logic" most of the players drafted in this class
should be out of the NFL, right?
http://www.drafthistory.com/years/2004.html
Lots of big names left playing 6 years later...
You are desperately trying to sprinkle fairy dust on this subject.
Ironside
> In article <951853df-b12b-40d4-81e6-4bbd53cacc81
>
>
>
> > Like I said the concept was completely above the ability of you two
> > brain cells to comprehend. But history says that the average NFL
> > career lasts 2 to 4 years.
>
> Its actually 3.5 seasons... and thats mostly because there are so many
> players that only last less than one season... the late rounders that
> almost always get cut.
>
> The top draft picks career last a lot longer than that.
>
> According to your "logic" most of the players drafted in this class
> should be out of the NFL, right?
>
> http://www.drafthistory.com/years/2004.html
>
> Lots of big names left playing 6 years later...
>
> You are desperately trying to sprinkle fairy dust on this subject.
And you are dodging the issue. You said median, not a dime more right?
Now you're waffling and won't admit that was complete lunacy. So what
is it Gary. The median? The average? Something else? You are one
confused knucklehead.
MIB
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2...@sio.midco> wrote in message
news:MPG.265b2fe14...@news.astraweb.com...
> The Raiders were more unlucky than "stupid." JaMoney looked like a
> servicable QB at the end of his second year, and if he would have worked
> hard at it, might have been a middle of the pack QB... which is far from
> a bust. Instead he partied and ate himself out of the NFL. How was Al
> supposed to foresee that?
Just remember that McClain was a can't miss prospect who was one of the
best linebackers to come into the draft in a long time. The second the Raiders
picked him he became a so-so linebacker and a head scratcher.
Essentially everyone pimped JR until he was picked. All of this blather is
just more crap slinging, illogical blather, and pure obfuscation.
Instead of paying certain players a majority of the cash, why not pay them
all equally? The players get 70% of the NFL haul, yet only a few make the
big bucks because simple minds are enamored with status, rather than
performance.
If anything, a player that gets paid big bucks but sucks hind tit should be
forced to give the cash back. Ironside's rook the owners at all cost
mentality is just indicative of his self centered nature.
Ironside
> "Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spike...@sio.midco> wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.265b2fe14...@news.astraweb.com...
>
> > The Raiders were more unlucky than "stupid." JaMoney looked like a
> > servicable QB at the end of his second year, and if he would have worked
> > hard at it, might have been a middle of the pack QB... which is far from
> > a bust. Instead he partied and ate himself out of the NFL. How was Al
> > supposed to foresee that?
>
> Just remember that McClain was a can't miss prospect who was one of the
> best linebackers to come into the draft in a long time. The second the Raiders
> picked him he became a so-so linebacker and a head scratcher.
>
> Essentially everyone pimped JR until he was picked. All of this blather is
> just more crap slinging, illogical blather, and pure obfuscation.
>
> Instead of paying certain players a majority of the cash, why not pay them
> all equally? The players get 70% of the NFL haul, yet only a few make the
> big bucks because simple minds are enamored with status, rather than
> performance.
Do you even read the crap that you post before hitting SEND? Pay them
all equally? WTF?
>
> If anything, a player that gets paid big bucks but sucks hind tit should be
> forced to give the cash back.
Of course. This will solve everything! Let's not blame the scouting
reports or the men that write the scouting reports. We can't have good
scouts making more money than bad scouts. We can't have teams that
don't do scouting penalized by teams that do scouting.
> Ironside's rook the owners at all cost mentality is just indicative of his self centered nature.
We can't rook the self-centered billionaire owners that rook taxpayers
who build them publicly funded stadiums. That's too self-centered.
Wait. Maybe we can take the owners profits and spread them back
equally to tax payers. That's fair right? I mean, you want all players
to get paid the same. Why not pay the fans and the taxpayers for
helping to build stadiums with their taxes. I
I have read some whacked shit in this NG, but seriously, yours is some
of the most whacked yet.
MIB
"Ironside" <old_ir...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Instead of paying certain players a majority of the cash, why not pay them
>> all equally? The players get 70% of the NFL haul, yet only a few make the
>> big bucks because simple minds are enamored with status, rather than
>> performance.
>
> Do you even read the crap that you post before hitting SEND? Pay them
> all equally? WTF?
Yep. What is your problem, jackass? I prefer base pay with incentive
laden contracts. Not this "I was a hyped college kid, pay me money
that I don't earn" crap.
>> If anything, a player that gets paid big bucks but sucks hind tit should be
>> forced to give the cash back.
>
> Of course. This will solve everything!
No, but it does right the larceny.
>Let's not blame the scouting
> reports or the men that write the scouting reports. We can't have good
> scouts making more money than bad scouts. We can't have teams that
> don't do scouting penalized by teams that do scouting.
Scouting reports are what they are. Finding the best prospects. What part
of this do you not understand?
It is up to the player to *EARN* what lays beyond being a prospect. Some do,
most don't. That's a fact of life.
> We can't rook the self-centered billionaire owners that rook taxpayers
> who build them publicly funded stadiums.
Right. Let's make the self-centered billionaire owners build their own
stadiums. Then, after they have spent all of their money, the players can
play for free. You certainly are a fucking dipshit.
> Wait. Maybe we can take the owners profits and spread them back
> equally to tax payers. That's fair right? I mean, you want all players
> to get paid the same.
Be careful of your straw man. It makes you look about as dumb as the idiot
in the Wizard of Oz.
> Why not pay the fans and the taxpayers for
> helping to build stadiums with their taxes.
Oh, the non-sequitur is magnificent, and sweeping, too.
> I have read some whacked shit in this NG, but seriously, yours is some
> of the most whacked yet.
Actually, you are incapable of rational thought. So, the above statement
comes as no surprise.
According to your non existent logic a prospective MMA fighter shall be paid
millions before ever competing for a chance at proving him/herself.
Oh, the years of dedication and the potential of one injury justifies the max
payout. Sure, try this approach in the real world.
Idiot.
Gary DeWaay
broken...@ask.com MIB says...
> > Do you even read the crap that you post before hitting SEND? Pay them
> > all equally? WTF?
>
> Yep. What is your problem, jackass? I prefer base pay with incentive
> laden contracts. Not this "I was a hyped college kid, pay me money
> that I don't earn" crap.
>
If Ironside ran a business, all of his top earners would be the
greenhorns that just got hired, while all of his proven veteran
employees fought for the scraps left over.
Which is why he (hopefully) has no input to any ACTUAL business.
Gary DeWaay
721724...@s41g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, old_ir...@hotmail.com
Ironside says...
Your moving goal posts noted. I thought we were talking about the
longevity of NFL careers?
Is there ANYONE on Usenet (besides me) that puts up with this with you?
You are about as insufferable as anyone I have ever seen... including
the political NGs. And thats saying something.