Re: A couple of shots at Schott...
Harlan Lachman
buRford <buR...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> Still nobody on the beat, dares to question Schott... but here's a couple of
> blog posts...
>
>
> http://bit.ly/aGoWoa
> New York Jets: Schottenheimer-Led O Doesn't Have One 300-Yard Passer Since
> 2006
> By Sean Sheppard
>
> Brian Schottenheimer has been the offensive coordinator of the New York Jets
> since 2006,
> making the 2010-2011 season his 5th year on the job. In his four full years,
> the
> following quarterbacks have lined up under center: Chad Pennington, Kellen
> Clemens, Brett
> Favre, Brad Smith, Brooks Bollinger and Mark Sanchez.
>
> Now I know thereís only one hall of famer in the bunch (Favre), but Chad
> Pennington
> enjoyed a productive career (when he wasnít out for the season with yet
> another shoulder
> injury).
>
> My point in listing all these QBís is that there is enough talent among them
> to have
> passed for several 300 yard games apiece over the years right? At least with
> Pennington
> and Favre, right? Well if you think so youíre wrong.
>
> Since 2006, the only Jets QB that has thrown for 300 yards in a game is Chad
> Pennington,
> and he did it 4 times, all in 2006. There hasnít been one 300 passing game
> by a Jet QB
> since 2006. Not even by the gameís greatest gun slinger, Brett Favre.
>
> I personally think this stat is amazing.
>
> The Jets have had enough talent at the wide receiver position, at the tight
> end position
> and on the offensive line where there really is no reason why it is nearly
> impossible for
> a Jet quarterback to throw for 300 yards in a game. Well there is one
> reason.
>
> Brian Schottenheimer.
>
> When the Jets got rid of Laveranues Coles and Santana Moss, they immediately
> made the pro
> bowl with the Washington Redskins. Itís not that they didnít have pro bowl
> talent while
> playing with the Jets; they did. Itís just that for some reason, they never
> reached their
> maximum potential playing in the Jet's offense, no matter who the O.C. was
> (Moss did not
> play in Schottenheimer's system).
>
> When Chad Pennington signed with the Dolphins, many questioned his ability to
> play
> quarterback at a high level. By the time he left the Jets, many fans,
> including myself,
> wanted to be rid of Penningtonís weak arm and injury prone shoulder.
>
> I remember Chad saying at the time (Iím paraphrasing), ìpeople who know this
> game know the
> circumstances under which I play.î Itís as if Chad was trying to tell us all
> something
> about Schottenheimer on his way out the door. Chad Pennington, with the
> pop-gun arm,
> wound up throwing for several 300 yard games for the Dolphins during his
> first year with
> the ball club. Check the stats, itís true. HmmmmÖ.pop-gun arm? Or crappy
> offensive
> system in New York?
>
> Fast forward to the Jetsí Monday Night game against the Ravens. If all
> things, good or
> bad, start at the top, then Rex Ryan cannot be excused for the teamís poor
> performance on
> offense, penalties etc. But a closer look at the Jets reveals something very
> telling.
>
> Rex Ryan runs the Jetsí defense. The Jetsí defense is the strongest unit on
> the team. If
> not for the defense, the Jets would have had a sub .500 record in 2009 and
> been blown out
> in tonightís game against the Ravens. I have no problem with the man running
> the defense.
>
> Mike Westhoff runs special teams, and the Jets, under Westhoffís
> dictatorship, have been
> one of the top special teams units in the entire NFL year after year.
> Against the Ravens,
> Steve Weatherford, the Jetsí punter, looked like a pro bowler compared to
> 2009, Nick Folk
> was perfect in field goal attempts (despite his surprisingly weak kickoffs)
> the coverage
> teams were solid and Jim Leonhardís sparkling punt return featured crushing
> blocks by
> Dwight Lowery and John Conner. The special team units were solid as usual.
> I have no
> problem with the man running special teams.
>
> This takes us to Brian Schottenheimer, who oversees the Jetsí offense. The
> Jetsí offense,
> year after year, has been their Achilles heel, regardless of the
> quarterbacks, wide
> receivers, tight ends, running backs or offensive linemen on the team.
> Sure, the Jets
> have figured out how to run the ball effectively over the past couple of
> years. They ran
> it amazingly well in 2009, leading the entire NFL in rushing yards per game.
> When the Jets
> needed a yard in 2009 , they FINALLY got it against the Chargers (long
> suffering Jet fans
> know all about the team's history with 3rd &1 and 4th & 1).
>
> But the passing game? Well as I mentioned, the Jets have not had a 300 yard
> passer since
> 2006 despite having pro bowl talent on the offensive line, at the wide
> receiver position
> AND at QB (Favre was a pro bowler during his one year with the team). So if
> a team has
> players with talent yet continues to struggle in the passing game, who is to
> blame?
>
> When a girl keeps dating creeps, at some point she has to look in the mirror
> and realize
> it's not the creep's fault that she keeps picking them. She's the common
> denominator in
> all her relationships.
>
> When the only constant about the offense since 2006 has been the offensive
> coordinator,
> despite pro bowl talent at his disposal, heís to blame. Plain and simple.
>
> Iím amazed that no one writes about this! NOT ONE 300 YARD PASSER SINCE
> 2006!!! Yes, I
> know Sanchez was, at times, an interception machine in 2009, but he was a
> rookie and
> thatís to be expected. But Schottenheimer has had seasoned quarterbacks (one
> with a hall
> of fame resume) to work with and it seems like the quarterbacks, when
> successful, are
> successful in spite of the system, not because of it.
>
> Tom Brady, it has been said, is successful in large part due to Belichickís
> system.
> Spurrierís college QBís are successful due to his system. Schottenheimerís
> system? Well,
> it appears if youíre a QB, a wide receiver or tight end in his system, itís
> akin to being
> sent to a super max prison: you canít break out no matter what you do.
>
> You wonít be throwing for 300 yards in a game any time soon if youíre a QB
> and you wonít
> be catching 80 balls in a season if youíre a wide receiver or a tight end.
>
> And I donít want to hear about the Jets being a running team. Could it be
> that the Jets
> are a running team because they canít pass with any consistency in
> Schottenheimerís
> offense?
>
> Every offensive coordinator around the league seems to be adept at creating
> mismatches
> against opposing defenses. Not Schottenheimer. There have been countless
> times over the
> years when the Jets have gone against a defense with a depleted or extremely
> green
> secondary (as they did against the Ravens on Monday Night) ñ and have never
> capitalized
> (and they didnít on Monday Night, once again). Mismatches in the Jetsí favor
> are rarely
> if ever exploited (Dustin Keller is a mismatch against anyone covering him),
> and it
> appears as if the Jets are fairly easy to prepare for.
>
> When you watch the Jets as often as I do (live or on tape), it seems as if
> they have 10
> pass plays - total. I think Brian Schottenheimer is a nice enough person
> based on
> appearances, but the bottom line is that his unit is running anchor leg on
> the Jets team.
> The offense is an albatross around the teamís neck, and Iíll say it again:
> the only
> constant about the Jetsí offense since 2006 is ñ Brian Schottenheimer.
>
> The Jets certainly have no need to panic. They lost one game, their first
> game of the
> year, by 1 point. Their defense was great again despite the penalties and
> their defensive
> secondary play will improve with more time in the system (remember, Cromartie
> and Wilson
> are brand new and Wilson is a rookie).
>
> But the fact remains that Brian Schottenheimer is a seasoned veteran and a
> known
> commodity. His total body of work as an offensive coordinator has been less
> than stellar.
> Rex Ryan, in his first year running the Jets defense, produced the number 1
> defense in the
> NFL.
>
> Brian Schottenheimer has been the O.C. since 2006, and although his position
> with the Jets
> is the first O.C. job of his career, heís had 4 years to produce a top 5
> offense and
> hasnít come close to accomplishing that feat.
>
> Say whatever you want about Sanchez. Heís young and learning. Heís going to
> make
> mistakes, yet at times, has shown flashes of brilliance. I just donít feel
> that
> Schottenheimer is doing the kid any favors. Based on his track record, I
> donít see the
> Jets scaring anyone in the passing game as long as he is the O.C. of the NYJ.
>
>
> Not one 300 yard passer since 2006. You canít just point to the Jets
> quarterback(s)
> anymore.
>
> *****************************************************************************
>
> Where I Consider My Hurtful Remarks About Brian Schottenheimer
> By Andrew Weiss on 14. Sep, 2010
> http://bit.ly/bgCGzZ
>
> Some of you wrote that I was a little-er-strong in my criticism of Brian
> Schottenheimer
> last night. In the cold light of day, letís think about it. In the NFL, the
> only thing you
> have to show for your work is performance. Everything else is just
> speculation. So letís
> look at the actual performance of our esteemed Offensive Coordinator. Letís
> look at the
> body of work.
>
> Naturally, weíre only interested in BS in his present position. At San Diego,
> where he is
> given credit for rearing Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, he was working with
> another manís
> system. He was only the QB coach. So, how those QBs performed is only
> relevant to the
> systems they were executing. Brian doesnít get credit for Rivers and Brees
> because Matt
> Cavanaugh, the Jets QB coach, shouldnít be blamed for last night.
>
> So letís look at Brian Schottenheimerís system, his body of work as an
> Offensive
> Coordinator. His first crack was his present job, with the New York Jets,
> which he got in
> 2006.
>
> Sean Sheppard has written a piece this morning on Brian Schottenheimerís
> career
> performance as OC on a game-by-game basis. His conclusion? ìBrian
> Schottenheimer Led
> Offenses: Not One 300 Yard Passer Since 2006!î Thatís right, according to
> Sean, the Jets
> have not had a 300-yard passer since 2006, and thatís under two different
> coaches with two
> different philosophies. Not only that, two of his quarterbacks were proven
> winners who
> both went on to produce 300-yard games after they left the Jets. Itís a great
> piece and I
> recommend that you read it (here).
>
> Sean didnít go into Schottyís season standings. How have his offenses done
> since he became
> an offensive coordinator?
>
> The overall ranking (total yards) for Brian Schottenheimerí offenses in the
> past four
> years (2006 ñ 2009) is 25, 26, 16, 20. Thatís never higher than sixteenth in
> a league of
> 32 teams. In case youíre wondering, the 16 was the year that Favre was here
> and the
> offense had to be ìsimplifiedî for the Mississippi mauler, who was accused of
> being
> unwilling to study hard. So, on average, BS offenses (Jetsí offenses) have
> ranked 22nd in
> a 32-team league. As for passing, Brian Schottenheimerís specialty, the
> rankings were 17,
> 25, 16 and 31ósixteenth with Favre, 31st with the rookie, Sanchez. The
> average? 22nd in a
> 32-team league. Consistent, if nothing else. As for rushing, thereís been
> continual
> improvement from 20th in 2006, when he took over, to first, last year, an
> average of 12th.
> Well, at least he can do that.
>
> What about mentoring and guiding quarterbacks? When Schotty took over in
> 2006, his
> quarterback was Chad Pennington returning from injury. Chadís 2006 season was
> a
> respectable twelfth. Not bad, huh? Except Chad had never ranked lower than
> eleventh in his
> career which included a number one ranking in 2002. The following year under
> Schottenheimer, 2007, Chad ranked an inexplicable 15th. The team decided he
> was fragile
> and probably done, so they let him go and brought in Favre, who promptly
> ranked 21st among
> quarterbacks in Schottenheimerís simplified scheme. Just a couple of
> washed-up veterans,
> right? Except, Chad Pennington would rank second with Miamiís poor receiving
> corps, once
> he left the Jets in 2008, and Brett Favre, would rank second in 2009, when he
> went to
> Minnesota. Sanchez, who showed so much promise in the first few games of the
> í09 season,
> wound up 28th. For those of you who like trends, since Brian Schottenheimer
> got here five
> years ago, his quarterbacks have ranked 12, 15, 21 and 28, and after
> yesterdayís
> performance, 31st. We appear to be on a trend that will set a record, ranking
> 33rd out of
> a possible 32 teams.
>
> So it doesnít look promising. It is axiomatic that the best predictor of
> future
> performance is past performance. If thatís the case, the Super bowl is off
> the table. The
> Ravens, who had no offense to speak of, yet who won the Super Bowl in 2000,
> were ranked
> sixteenth in the league in total offense that year. The Jets have only
> sniffed that lofty
> ranking once under Schottenheimer, and that was with a Hall of Famer at QB.
>
> So get used to it. If you want to go to the Super Bowl, Rex or Tanny or
> somebody over in
> Florham Park will have to face facts. The numbers donít lie.
Thanks for posting this. I was going to and forgot.
The absence of this from the NY Papers is one of the most significant
evidences that the NY reporters are lazy, incompetent, and do not know
football.
h
papa.carl44
"Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-A347F4....@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article <ebiv86h7jeleh2aia...@4ax.com>,
> buRford <buR...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
>> Still nobody on the beat, dares to question Schott... but here's a couple
>> of
>> blog posts...
>>
>>
>> http://bit.ly/aGoWoa
>> New York Jets: Schottenheimer-Led O Doesn't Have One 300-Yard Passer
>> Since
>> 2006
>> By Sean Sheppard
>>
>> Brian Schottenheimer has been the offensive coordinator of the New York
>> Jets
>> since 2006,
>> making the 2010-2011 season his 5th year on the job. In his four full
>> years,
>> the
>> following quarterbacks have lined up under center: Chad Pennington,
>> Kellen
>> Clemens, Brett
>> Favre, Brad Smith, Brooks Bollinger and Mark Sanchez.
>>
>> Pennington
>> enjoyed a productive career (when he wasn't out for the season with yet
>> another shoulder
>> injury).
>>
>> My point in listing all these QB's is that there is enough talent among
>> to have
>> passed for several 300 yard games apiece over the years right? At least
>> with
>> Pennington
>>
>> Since 2006, the only Jets QB that has thrown for 300 yards in a game is
>> Chad
>> Pennington,
>> by a Jet QB
>>
>> I personally think this stat is amazing.
>>
>> The Jets have had enough talent at the wide receiver position, at the
>> tight
>> end position
>> and on the offensive line where there really is no reason why it is
>> nearly
>> impossible for
>> a Jet quarterback to throw for 300 yards in a game. Well there is one
>> reason.
>>
>> Brian Schottenheimer.
>>
>> When the Jets got rid of Laveranues Coles and Santana Moss, they
>> immediately
>> made the pro
>> bowl
>> talent while
>> playing with the Jets; they did. It's just that for some reason, they
>> reached their
>> maximum potential playing in the Jet's offense, no matter who the O.C.
>> was
>> (Moss did not
>> play in Schottenheimer's system).
>>
>> When Chad Pennington signed with the Dolphins, many questioned his
>> ability to
>> play
>> quarterback at a high level. By the time he left the Jets, many fans,
>> including myself,
>>
>> I remember Chad saying at the time (I'm paraphrasing), "people who know
>> this
>> game know the
>> circumstances under which I play." It's as if Chad was trying to tell us
>> something
>> about Schottenheimer on his way out the door. Chad Pennington, with the
>> pop-gun arm,
>> wound up throwing for several 300 yard games for the Dolphins during his
>> first year with
>> offensive
>> system in New York?
>>
>> things, good or
>> bad, start at the top, then Rex Ryan cannot be excused for the team's
>> performance on
>> offense, penalties etc. But a closer look at the Jets reveals something
>> very
>> telling.
>>
>> the team. If
>> not for the defense, the Jets would have had a sub .500 record in 2009
>> and
>> been blown out
>> running
>> the defense.
>>
>> Mike Westhoff runs special teams, and the Jets, under Westhoff's
>> dictatorship, have been
>> one of the top special teams units in the entire NFL year after year.
>> Against the Ravens,
>> 2009, Nick Folk
>> was perfect in field goal attempts (despite his surprisingly weak
>> kickoffs)
>> the coverage
>> blocks by
>> Dwight Lowery and John Conner. The special team units were solid as
>> usual.
>> I have no
>> problem with the man running special teams.
>>
>> The
>> Jets' offense,
>> simple.
>>
>> I'm amazed that no one writes about this! NOT ONE 300 YARD PASSER SINCE
>> 2006!!! Yes, I
>> know Sanchez was, at times, an interception machine in 2009, but he was a
>> rookie and
>> with a hall
>> of fame resume) to work with and it seems like the quarterbacks, when
>> successful, are
>> successful in spite of the system, not because of it.
>>
>> Tom Brady, it has been said, is successful in large part due to
>> system.
>> Spurrier's college QB's are successful due to his system.
>> Schottenheimer's
>> system? Well,
>> it appears if you're a QB, a wide receiver or tight end in his system,
>> it's
>> akin to being
>> sent to a super max prison: you can't break out no matter what you do.
>>
>> You won't be throwing for 300 yards in a game any time soon if you're a
>> QB
>> and you won't
>> be catching 80 balls in a season if you're a wide receiver or a tight
>> end.
>>
>> And I don't want to hear about the Jets being a running team. Could it
>> be
>> that the Jets
>> are a running team because they can't pass with any consistency in
>> Schottenheimer's
>> offense?
>>
>> Every offensive coordinator around the league seems to be adept at
>> creating
>> mismatches
>> against opposing defenses. Not Schottenheimer. There have been
>> countless
>> times over the
>> years when the Jets have gone against a defense with a depleted or
>> extremely
>> green
>> never
>> capitalized
>> (and they didn't on Monday Night, once again). Mismatches in the Jets'
>> are rarely
>> if ever exploited (Dustin Keller is a mismatch against anyone covering
>> him),
>> and it
>> appears as if the Jets are fairly easy to prepare for.
>>
>> When you watch the Jets as often as I do (live or on tape), it seems as
>> if
>> they have 10
>> pass plays - total. I think Brian Schottenheimer is a nice enough person
>> based on
>> appearances, but the bottom line is that his unit is running anchor leg
>> on
>> the Jets team.
>> again:
>> the only
>> constant about the Jets' offense since 2006 is - Brian Schottenheimer.
>>
>> The Jets certainly have no need to panic. They lost one game, their
>> first
>> game of the
>> year, by 1 point. Their defense was great again despite the penalties
>> and
>> their defensive
>> secondary play will improve with more time in the system (remember,
>> Cromartie
>> and Wilson
>> are brand new and Wilson is a rookie).
>>
>> But the fact remains that Brian Schottenheimer is a seasoned veteran and
>> a
>> known
>> commodity. His total body of work as an offensive coordinator has been
>> less
>> than stellar.
>> Rex Ryan, in his first year running the Jets defense, produced the number
>> 1
>> defense in the
>> NFL.
>>
>> Brian Schottenheimer has been the O.C. since 2006, and although his
>> position
>> with the Jets
>> offense and
>> hasn't come close to accomplishing that feat.
>>
>> Say whatever you want about Sanchez. He's young and learning. He's
>> going to
>> make
>> mistakes, yet at times, has shown flashes of brilliance. I just don't
>> that
>> Schottenheimer is doing the kid any favors. Based on his track record, I
>> Jets scaring anyone in the passing game as long as he is the O.C. of the
>> NYJ.
>>
>>
>> quarterback(s)
>> anymore.
>>
>> *****************************************************************************
>>
>> Where I Consider My Hurtful Remarks About Brian Schottenheimer
>> By Andrew Weiss on 14. Sep, 2010
>> http://bit.ly/bgCGzZ
>>
>> Some of you wrote that I was a little-er-strong in my criticism of Brian
>> Schottenheimer
>> only thing you
>> have to show for your work is performance. Everything else is just
>> look at the actual performance of our esteemed Offensive Coordinator.
>> look at the
>> body of work.
>>
>> where he is
>> given credit for rearing Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, he was working
>> with
>> system. He was only the QB coach. So, how those QBs performed is only
>> relevant to the
>> Brees
>> because Matt
>> Cavanaugh, the Jets QB coach, shouldn't be blamed for last night.
>>
>> So let's look at Brian Schottenheimer's system, his body of work as an
>> Offensive
>> Coordinator. His first crack was his present job, with the New York Jets,
>> which he got in
>> 2006.
>>
>> career
>> performance as OC on a game-by-game basis. His conclusion? "Brian
>> Schottenheimer Led
>> Offenses: Not One 300 Yard Passer Since 2006!" That's right, according to
>> Sean, the Jets
>> have not had a 300-yard passer since 2006, and that's under two different
>> coaches with two
>> different philosophies. Not only that, two of his quarterbacks were
>> proven
>> winners who
>> piece and I
>> recommend that you read it (here).
>>
>> since he became
>> an offensive coordinator?
>>
>> the
>> past four
>> years (2006 - 2009) is 25, 26, 16, 20. That's never higher than sixteenth
>> in
>> a league of
>> 32 teams. In case you're wondering, the 16 was the year that Favre was
>> here
>> and the
>> offense had to be "simplified" for the Mississippi mauler, who was
>> accused of
>> being
>> unwilling to study hard. So, on average, BS offenses (Jets' offenses)
>> have
>> ranked 22nd in
>> a 32-team league. As for passing, Brian Schottenheimer's specialty, the
>> rankings were 17,
>> 25, 16 and 31-sixteenth with Favre, 31st with the rookie, Sanchez. The
>> average? 22nd in a
>> 32-team league. Consistent, if nothing else. As for rushing, there's been
>> continual
>> improvement from 20th in 2006, when he took over, to first, last year, an
>> average of 12th.
>> Well, at least he can do that.
>>
>> What about mentoring and guiding quarterbacks? When Schotty took over in
>> 2006, his
>> a
>> respectable twelfth. Not bad, huh? Except Chad had never ranked lower
>> than
>> eleventh in his
>> career which included a number one ranking in 2002. The following year
>> under
>> Schottenheimer, 2007, Chad ranked an inexplicable 15th. The team decided
>> he
>> was fragile
>> and probably done, so they let him go and brought in Favre, who promptly
>> ranked 21st among
>> washed-up veterans,
>> right? Except, Chad Pennington would rank second with Miami's poor
>> corps, once
>> he left the Jets in 2008, and Brett Favre, would rank second in 2009,
>> when he
>> went to
>> Minnesota. Sanchez, who showed so much promise in the first few games of
>> the
>> wound up 28th. For those of you who like trends, since Brian
>> Schottenheimer
>> got here five
>> years ago, his quarterbacks have ranked 12, 15, 21 and 28, and after
>> performance, 31st. We appear to be on a trend that will set a record,
>> ranking
>> 33rd out of
>> a possible 32 teams.
>>
>> future
>> performance is past performance. If that's the case, the Super bowl is
>> the table. The
>> Ravens, who had no offense to speak of, yet who won the Super Bowl in
>> 2000,
>> were ranked
>> sixteenth in the league in total offense that year. The Jets have only
>> sniffed that lofty
>> ranking once under Schottenheimer, and that was with a Hall of Famer at
>> QB.
>>
>> So get used to it. If you want to go to the Super Bowl, Rex or Tanny or
>> somebody over in
>
> Thanks for posting this. I was going to and forgot.
>
> The absence of this from the NY Papers is one of the most significant
> evidences that the NY reporters are lazy, incompetent, and do not know
> football.
>
> h
So, you buy this, but my point that Schott has to be protected is bogus????
Come on. He got to stay ! He has never been successful at this job.
Somebody likes him, and somebody looks after him. Who?