Re: Revis' Agents & the Media...
papa.carl44
"buRford" <buR...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
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> Read this earlier today. Seems like this guy Cole is working for Revis,
> to put pressure
> on Jets management... hope they don't bite.
>
>
> http://yhoo.it/buZo0E
> Jets in danger of losing Revis forever
> By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports Sep 2, 9:22 pm EDT
>
> At one point during the latest episode of HBO's "Hard Knocks," Jets coach
> Rex Ryan
> explained to veteran wide receiver Laveranues Coles(notes) why the team
> had to cut him. It
> was over salary reasons, but Ryan said the team hoped to bring back Coles
> in the second
> week of the season when his contract won't be fully guaranteed.
>
> Ultimately, Ryan told Coles that the team had to make the move "in case
> [cornerback
> Darrelle Revis(notes)] shows up without a new contract."
>
> Here's a little piece of information for Ryan and the rest of the New York
> Jets: If Revis
> doesn't get a new contract soon, New York doesn't have to worry about the
> star cornerback
> showing up. Ever.
>
> As the clock ticks to the beginning of the NFL season, the relationship
> between the Jets
> and Revis is ticking toward an end. A divorce, really. That might sound
> like hysteria to
> some but it's reality.
>
> You can hear the agitation in Ryan's voice when he talks about the overall
> state of his
> team. During one moment in "Hard Knocks," Ryan chewed the Jets out for not
> playing with
> urgency, a bad sign for any team, particularly for one that hasn't won a
> championship in
> more than four decades.
>
> Jets fans can pump their chest about allowing only one touchdown in the
> first three games
> of preseason, but that means nothing. If the Jets are really going to run
> Ryan's
> high-risk, blitz-heavy defense, they have to have Revis. As gifted as
> cornerback Antonio
> Cromartie(notes) is, he's not tough enough to emulate Revis.
>
> If the Jets can't bridge the gap between what they are offering Revis and
> what he believes
> they promised him at the end of last season, he's not showing up, period.
>
> As in ever again.
>
> At the end of last season, when the Jets were going to the AFC
> championship game and New
> York Mayor Michael Bloomberg was renaming Manhattan "Revis Island," the
> Jets were floating
> on an attention high. When it all came crashing in the loss to
> Indianapolis, the Jets
> couldn't live with the buzzkill. They openly talked about getting Revis,
> who has three
> seasons left on his contract, signed to a lifetime deal. Ryan said Revis
> was the best
> defensive player in the league. It was an open declaration of love, the
> kind of wooing you
> see in Julia Roberts' movies.
>
> And at that point, the Jets were committed. Owner Woody Johnson can say
> all he wants about
> how that was then and this is now, but the fact is that his team made what
> Revis believed
> to be a promise. That means a lot to a 25-year-old man who plays a game of
> furious emotion
> and passion. This isn't an abstract business deal.
>
> Revis believes the Jets have toyed with him by making their initial
> overtures so public.
> If this had been done privately, Revis would have shown up for training
> camp even if a new
> contract hadn't been agreed upon.
>
> The problem is that love in the NFL is expressed in dollars and the Jets
> didn't think this
> one through. In fact, when the idea of a long-term contract for Revis (10
> years) was
> broached with this reporter months ago, I took all of about 30 seconds to
> figure out that
> the approximate number Revis would be looking for was roughly $160
> million.
>
> And I'm not exactly a contract negotiator.
>
> What's strange is that the Jets should have anticipated that. The Jets
> knew agents Neil
> Schwartz and Jonathan Feinsod well enough to understand that this wasn't
> going to be easy
> if they didn't take a strong approach. It wasn't the first time
> considering Revis held out
> as a rookie in 2007. It wasn't when Schwartz and Feinsod were representing
> former Jets
> guard Pete Kendall(notes) and tight end Chris Baker.
>
> Schwartz and Feinsod crafted a brilliant contract for Revis the first
> time, one so good
> that no other team has ever done it since. Schwartz and Feinsod know
> leverage and they
> have certain principles.
>
> More important, Revis has principles, too. If you were Revis and had a
> pretty good idea
> that your value isn't going down anytime soon (there's plenty of proof of
> that around the
> NFL) and you no longer had faith in the Jets, would you ever play for them
> again? Is that
> the kind of professional, working marriage you'd want to get into?
>
> His uncle, Sean Gilbert, once sat out an entire year with Washington when
> he wanted
> between $4 million and $5 million a year and the Redskins were offering
> $3.2 million.
>
> After a year away, Gilbert got $7 million a year from Carolina.
>
> Gilbert learned that great players get great money even if they miss an
> entire season.
> This year alone, No. 1 overall pick Sam Bradford(notes) got $50 million
> guaranteed even
> though he was coming off an injury-marred season in which he barely
> played. Likewise, wide
> receiver Dez Bryant(notes) and tight end Jermaine Gresham(notes) were both
> first-round
> picks this year despite barely playing last season in college.
>
> There are plenty of other examples that feed this notion.
>
> Revis isn't wrong to ask for a deal that eclipses Oakland cornerback
> Nnamdi
> Asomugha's(notes) $15.17 million average. Beyond the fact that Denver
> cornerback Champ
> Bailey(notes) isn't far behind this year with a base salary of $13
> million, any 10-year or
> long-term deal for that type of money means the deal will be eclipsed
> numerous times in
> the coming years. It's the way the NFL works.
>
> To put it in another perspective, Indianapolis quarterback Peyton
> Manning(notes) will soon
> reset the bar for what the top players in the league are worth. The Colts
> will be lucky -
> yes, lucky - to get Manning's deal done for less than an average of $25
> million a year.
>
> And if the top quarterback in the league is worth $25 million a year, what
> is the top
> cornerback or defensive end, left tackle or wide receiver - all guys who
> drastically
> impact the quarterback - are going to be worth?
>
> There's going to come a point where $16 million a year for Revis is a
> decent price.
>
> The Jets can counter that by saying that they're doing Revis a favor by
> redoing his
> contract now, at least one year in advance of free agency. That's
> reasonable, but here's
> another way of looking at it: If Revis plays out his contract over the
> next three years,
> he gets $21 million. The Jets then would be forced to put a franchise tag
> (assuming the
> franchise tag still exists) for a minimum of $18 million for 2013 (based
> on the fact that
> Revis' 2012 salary is scheduled to be $15 million.
>
> That's $39 million over four years, but then the averages start to really
> jump, going way
> north of $20 million a year. From that perspective, $16 million a year
> looks like a good
> price.
>
> But more important than any of that is a simple fact: Either the Jets get
> this done or
> they never have Revis again.
This last sentence says it all...and I hope says it like it is....they NEVER
see his ass again, he does not play for three years and when he gets to come
back for somebody else it is Oakland at their worst with Al Davis still
running things from a wheelchair....and THEN...I hope he finds out that a
three year layoff did some serious damage to his abilities....better yet, he
should go try MMA...and get his ass kicked. When ONE player decides he is
better than anyone else to the extent that to have HIM on the team, means
you have to let valuable pieces of the team go, settle for second best in
some other areas it just isn't a team sport anymore and won't be worth
watching. Who is the Cole dude...he has to be on Revis' payroll.
galen...@yahoo.com
plea to get Revis. Every flipp'n minute they are extolling how great he
is. Reminds me of the Howard Stern movie, Private Parts, where, almost
everywhere he was saying how great his wife Alison was. Seemed like he
was trying to save their marriage to me.
--
Galen Boyer
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papa.carl44
<galen...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:14q7hj2...@yahoo.com...
Or...it could be a move to make the fans aware that they tried....facts are
facts.....they simply can not make the rest of the team weaker just to have
him....Revis is going to wind up on a team where he is the ONE big star...he
is a fantastic corner with some big moves in a continually losing career.
papa.carl44
> On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:30:02 -0400, galen...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>As far as I can tell, the whole hard knocks thing almost seems like a
>>plea to get Revis. Every flipp'n minute they are extolling how great he
>>is. Reminds me of the Howard Stern movie, Private Parts, where, almost
>>everywhere he was saying how great his wife Alison was. Seemed like he
>>was trying to save their marriage to me.
>
>
> To me, this Revis thing is one result.
> What's strange, is that management hasn't asked him to cool it, as
> evidenced by his
> accolades for Connor, & others.
Here's my take...part of Rex lives vicariously through his players...he
likes the kid, he should adopt him...I think the kid can become a good
player too and he can build a career making hits like he does...he has an
amazing ability to get his center of gravity right and unload...still, would
I get rid of the only apparent leader on offense to keep him....maybe
not.....or...is Rex doing all this to make Connor the trade bait so they can
fill some holes? I think that may be the case....Kellen restructured and
Sanchez is not looking as good as they would like, the guard situation is
not good and Sanchez can not take the hits he may....Brunell is old, that's
it...he made some great reads on Thursday night...but he did not have the
velocity to get it done....so....they need to do something, why not give
Connor the chance to make a team if they really like him? And, get
something in return.
Harlan Lachman
"papa.carl44" <papad...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
Or, if the Jets do the right thing, Revis never plays a down of football
-- or only plays the last six games of the next three seasons.
There is no way the Jets should trade this POS. If they do, I will back
Mark that the Jets bring on themselves the problems they have with
players under contract who whine.
I remain convinced that sticking to a hard line does not weaken the team
as much as any trade. They will get nothing back that justifies letting
Revis go and get the contract he wants. Forcing him to honor his deal or
not play is the only way to put an end to this type of crap.
Let Revis honor his contract or retire himself. He will lose so much
money he will never recover. His agents will get black marks for missing
the boat, and he won't hurt us by playing us either.
harlan
Coach Lon
> In article <TZ6dnRYOPrLwXRzRnZ2dnUVZ_vedn...@giganews.com>,
>
>
>
> "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
> > <galen_bo...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:14q7hj2...@yahoo.com...
> > > As far as I can tell, the whole hard knocks thing almost seems like a
> > > plea to get Revis. Every flipp'n minute they are extolling how great he
> > > is. Reminds me of the Howard Stern movie, Private Parts, where, almost
> > > everywhere he was saying how great his wife Alison was. Seemed like he
> > > was trying to save their marriage to me.
>
> > > --
> > > Galen Boyer
>
>
> > Or...it could be a move to make the fans aware that they tried....facts are
> > facts.....they simply can not make the rest of the team weaker just to have
> > him....Revis is going to wind up on a team where he is the ONE big star...he
> > is a fantastic corner with some big moves in a continually losing career.
>
> Or, if the Jets do the right thing, Revis never plays a down of football
> -- or only plays the last six games of the next three seasons.
>
> There is no way the Jets should trade this POS. If they do, I will back
> Mark that the Jets bring on themselves the problems they have with
> players under contract who whine.
>
> I remain convinced that sticking to a hard line does not weaken the team
> as much as any trade. They will get nothing back that justifies letting
> Revis go and get the contract he wants. Forcing him to honor his deal or
> not play is the only way to put an end to this type of crap.
>
> Let Revis honor his contract or retire himself. He will lose so much
> money he will never recover. His agents will get black marks for missing
> the boat, and he won't hurt us by playing us either.
>
> harlan
This one-sided monologue above did little to change my opinion that
the Jets should sit tight, and wait Revis out. To echo what Harlan
said above, he will never recoup the money lost during the hold out,
or if he decides to sit out the year. That's his problem. All the
pressure here in on Revis from the team point of view.
Sean
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well put, Harlan. I really don't think we will even make it past the
first round----if we even make the playoffs (and I don't think we
will). The "New NFL" is coming soon, after the lockout. Exactly what
that means, I cannot say. But, I say force Revis to honor his deal and
set a radical precedent, known as "honoring your damn contract"!! If
he wants to sit out 3 years, God bless, and enjoy the 2 steps you
lost. It may sound trite, but I believe no one is bigger than the
team. Play hardball, Tanny. Keep it out of the media, and force his
hand. It really, really sucks being a Jet fan, as you all know. Plug
Kyle in and hope he develops. The first franchise player we have had
since......#12? And it has to go down in flames like this? So typical.
And even if he is in pads Tuesday, we all know he will suffer some
injury related to missing camp, and be a shadow of himself anyway.
Sorry, just the way I see it. I sure as hell hope I am wrong, but if
history is a guide.....Sean
papa.carl44
> does seem to have
> a lot of *upside.*
> Then, I see this morning that a *league source* says the Jets have made an
> offer for WR,
> TJ Houshmandzadeh. This makes no sense to me. Might as well bring back
> Coles, as opposed
> to trading another pick, however bad the pick is.
I thnk Tannenbaum sees a "once upon a time star" and wishes on
it....thinking he can get value, meaning the "star" for little money....that
may drive a lot of what they do. Why do they need another receiver? Was
all that talk to Coles just BS?
papa.carl44
"Sean" <BOSS...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Completely agree....I've gotten to the point where I don't want him
around....I'm wondering what the crowd reaction would be if he did come
back? Not nice I don't think. The Jets need to let him hang
himself....what he is asking them to do is sacrifice other players for him
and his greed. How can he then claim to even attempt to be a team player?