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Michael

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Sep 12, 2011, 10:57:43 AM9/12/11
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1. It took the Jets three quarters to figure out the protection for
Sanchez. You could not get an idea early on of the potential that the
jets pass catchers give them. Rob Ryan really did a nice job putting
pressure on Sanchez. It took schotty 40 minutes to get ahead of it.

2. It appears that the Jets offense is now built to be a passing
offense.

3. Tomlinson still looks good. His cuts and rout running were
amazingly good. IMHO, he was the Jets best offensive player last
night.

4. The Jets defense REALLY changes and adjusts, especially in their
pass coverages. The Cowboys were having success with screens, and
then the Jets defense morphed. That happened several times last
night. It was never the same looking defense from drive to drive.

5. Mason looks like he could care less.

6. If Rex wants to keep E. Smith in as a starter, they need to
shorten the time the opposing QB has to throw. They cant play max
coverage with Smith. He cant hang on for long, or so it appears.

7. Two opposite QB's in this game. Sanchez is the anti-Romo. Romo
does great 99 % of the time and then does the single worst thing he
could do at the absolute worst time. Sanchez sucks quite often. He
makes mistakes... Missreads coverage, misses open receivers while
locked in on his primary, holds the ball too long... BUT... Sanchez
has an uncanny or "lucky" quality where by he does the things he must
do at the right time even though he sucks for most of the game. I
dont know if I should call him good, lucky or blessed.

8. I dont know yet what to make of Green. I dont know yet what to
make of Sanchez. I dont know yet what to make of the Jets defense.

9. I would rather see Jim Leonhard fair catch punts than have Kurley
back there. He does not have sure hands.

Señor Patriots

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Sep 12, 2011, 12:39:59 PM9/12/11
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On Sep 12, 9:57 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 1. It took the Jets three quarters to figure out the protection for
> Sanchez.  You could not get an idea early on of the potential that the
> jets pass catchers give them. Rob Ryan really did a nice job putting
> pressure on Sanchez.  It took schotty 40 minutes to get ahead of it.
>
From here it looks like you have an inconsistent offense. The QB
completion percentage would have something to do with that. The
defense - no revelation - is ahead of the offense. The coaching must
be good, the discipline must be good, or you wouldn't be squeaking by
at the end.

It's better to squeak by at the end than to blow up like Romo did.
But then their ST blew up too, as well as the play calling on the goal
line. I mean, that kind of stuff tells me that the Cowboys are pretty
good personnel wise, but not that well coached or disciplined yet.
That could change. Lots of things change, but Romo's decision to throw
to Bryant is one more episode of the same-old same-old that never
seems to change. It's his either year? QBs that read the field
better would not do that, so to me that is what keeps Romo out of the
elite QB ranks.

Rob Ryan's defense is going to be very good going forward. Cowboys
fans would be crossing their fingers about Romo though. I mean who
would trust that guy on a game ending drive in the SB?


RävNsfän ®

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Sep 12, 2011, 1:14:14 PM9/12/11
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"Señor Patriots" <paul.l...@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
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I know - I know ...the opposition !

May I have my cookie now ?
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~Drew

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JKConey

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Sep 12, 2011, 2:14:21 PM9/12/11
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"Michael" wrote in message
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1. It took the Jets three quarters to figure out the protection for
Sanchez. You could not get an idea early on of the potential that the
jets pass catchers give them. Rob Ryan really did a nice job putting
pressure on Sanchez. It took schotty 40 minutes to get ahead of it.



I wonder if it's more the defense wearing down then any genius game
changes? Both sides were sucking wind as I saw it.


-- JK Sinrod
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

Michael

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Sep 12, 2011, 2:31:39 PM9/12/11
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the jets started playing with two te's on the right side. when they
did not have two te's they had help blocking on that side from the
backfield. they also rolled away from pressure coming from the left
side while they had additional help on the right. depending on the
defensive allignment, they also started getting the rb's in the right
places at the right times for pressure that was coming up the *a*
gap. the cowboys were run blitzing most of the time. they did not
have to overload blitz the right side of the jets line as hunter was
out-manned. the jets defense was a lot more active showing different
looks. rob ryan was in what looked to be a perpetual run blitz the
whole game. pressure on the edges came from man on man missmatch. i
was at the game and did not hear any of the TV commentary... they will
re-play it on the NFL network tomorrow. i am interested to see if the
"commentators" saw what I did.

for the most part, the cowboys got pressure because they have good
guys up front. the rest came from the run blitz.

Papa Carl

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Sep 12, 2011, 11:15:07 PM9/12/11
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"Michael" <mjd...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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far more impotant..the Jets went to spreads, even put a TE out in the
spread...that forced D to defend that set and took away some of the inside
blitzing and pressure...why it took so freakin long to do that I don't know.
I'm imagining Moore had some "consulting" to do at half time. The O looks
very reactionary at times and stuck in some other ways. It's not just
"let's try something different" what you try has to have an effect and stop
something the D is doing....with all that early on inside rush the first
thing to do would be to spread the field and lessen the defenders in the box
or inside. It took them a long time to do that and when they did, it worked.


Michael

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Sep 13, 2011, 12:00:58 AM9/13/11
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On Sep 12, 11:15 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
i recommend that game to any fan who says "adjustments are over
rated". what i would like to know... if they saw it in the third
qtr why did they not see it in the first half ??? it takes that long
to grow a football brain ??? heck, even the fans saw it. even mangini
ran somthing like that two te set against a run blitz. did tom moore
throw up his hands and phone them on the sidelines or somthing ???
what i thought was sort of funny was michael kay's commentary about
the game on espn today. he was saying stuff like "the jets had no
idea where the pressure would come from" as if the cowboys were doing
all sorts of exotic stuff. they moved ware around a bit, but for the
most part it was a perpetual run blitz.it the jets defense was a lot
more "varied" than the cowboys defense was. the jets just made them
look good for 40 minutes. as soon as they added another bubble along
the line, the pressure deflated.

Papa Carl

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Sep 13, 2011, 1:24:01 AM9/13/11
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"Michael" <mjd...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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It does not take that long...it is an issue if a person calling the O is
committed to a plan or a scheme...I'm guessing, totally guessing when Rex
said it is not working..Moore had some consulting to do...and it got done.
We shall see over time, but I predict we will sense some tension and Schott
will be less and less happy and Moore will do more and more.


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Michael

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Sep 13, 2011, 11:30:59 AM9/13/11
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On Sep 13, 8:16 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Unless Moore is saying  things that Schott had been saying.  You could
> of course be right & Schott is an empty shirt but I think that would
> have churned up with Callahan & Schott already unless of course he is
> like I worry the same. Like always it is a guess at best.  That
> Sanchez verbalized he wanted to fight Rex tells you that their is some
> underlying tension.
>
> I don't really care except they need to  move the ball & Sanchez needs
> to keep playing better.- Hide quoted text -
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how can sanchez play better and move the ball with the offensive
scheme they ran for the first 40 minutes last sunday ??? he had about
1.5 seconds before he was getting swamped. not for one drive, for
about two thirds of the game. you got a qb that can move, so you limit
his space even under a run blitz and your tackles getting smoked 1 on
1 ??? it was sort of a no brainer that you needed an extra bubble or
two for the cowboys to contend with and more side to side room for the
qb. the fans in my section were saying that before the end of the
first qrt.

Ritchie

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Sep 13, 2011, 3:33:12 PM9/13/11
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Basically my thoughts on the game are that..... The Jets were lucky to
come away with a win. Dallas outplayed them in almost every aspect and
deserved to win more than the Jets did. Everyone is ranting about the
blocked punt and if you look at the replay it was more of a defensive
screw up than a great play by McKnight.

Papa Carl

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Sep 13, 2011, 6:39:52 PM9/13/11
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"John C TX" <johnc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Unless Moore is saying things that Schott had been saying. You could


of course be right & Schott is an empty shirt but I think that would
have churned up with Callahan & Schott already unless of course he is
like I worry the same. Like always it is a guess at best. That
Sanchez verbalized he wanted to fight Rex tells you that their is some
underlying tension.

I don't really care except they need to move the ball & Sanchez needs
to keep playing better.

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Look..did the Colts ever look like the Jets O????? Not just who the QB
was..but the entire approach? No. They did not bring in Moore to rubber
stamp what Schott is saying. They got him because they have concerns about
the O...to me that would extend all the way down the chain. It is not
unusual for an O line coach to side with the OC, that is how it probably
should be. And it is not unusual for an O line coach to defend what is
going on especially if he feels that some of the "groceries" he has to cook
with are not up to standard. They become very defensive...this is a HUGE
ego game all around. And it is also a game where they pick up on what
people want to hear. It is not unusual for a HC or OC to tell someone it is
his job to "get them ready"..."coach them" etc. A lot of that stuff
exists. More than a couple of good coaches have gotten dumped because the
lesser talent they had to work with did not produce...and somebody kept
hyping that lesser talent to cover their asses about the choice of it. All
of this is conjecture and so is everything else we say in the group. Moore
came in for a reason...and it was not because the O looked good. I also
wonder what Sanchez is like to work with? Is he emotional, does Schott take
care of him and deal with him that way...that could be why it looks to some
like Sanchez is so linked to Schott...if Schott defends Sanchez all the time
it could also be his defending offensive decisions..could be lots of
things...but no matter what...the offense does not look right, it is a
messed up scheme. Just not having any perimeter attack is weird and a lot
of it comes back to O line.


Papa Carl

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Sep 13, 2011, 6:43:17 PM9/13/11
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"Ritchie" <ritch...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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AMEN ! Especially the blocked punt. Dallas LOST the game much more than
the Jets won it. But...everything we're talking about comes back to one
thing. To me, there is a serious weakness on the O line...bit time. All
the problems point in that direction. You simply can not hold Sanchez' feet
to the fire on any of this from Sunday night...he's lucky he didn't go to
the hospital and proved he is damn tough to come back and still be able to
play after the first two thirds of the game.


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