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JetsLife
Oct 24, 2011, 8:56:51 PM10/24/11
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This kid has proven just how he good he is when he has some space.
He's awesome, runs people over, his last name is Greene, he's from
Jersey. Enough said.
Sign him up on the cheap, now, Jets.
He's awesome, runs people over, his last name is Greene, he's from
Jersey. Enough said.
Sign him up on the cheap, now, Jets.
Harlan Lachman
Oct 24, 2011, 11:14:45 PM10/24/11
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In article
<65b7c8a8-205b-4d1e...@u2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
It takes two to contract but not a bad idea if on the cheap.
h
<65b7c8a8-205b-4d1e...@u2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
h
John C TX
Oct 25, 2011, 10:22:45 AM10/25/11
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On Oct 24, 10:14 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <65b7c8a8-205b-4d1e-996c-4f869e00a...@u2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
as he has warranted big bucks with anyone yet.
He will be 28 in the 2013 season his FA year. How much do you pay
him?
> In article
> <65b7c8a8-205b-4d1e-996c-4f869e00a...@u2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
>
> JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> > This kid has proven just how he good he is when he has some space.
>
> > He's awesome, runs people over, his last name is Greene, he's from
> > Jersey. Enough said.
>
> > Sign him up on the cheap, now, Jets.
>
> It takes two to contract but not a bad idea if on the cheap.
>
> h
We have him cheap for another year. If I am his agent I wait in see
> JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> > This kid has proven just how he good he is when he has some space.
>
> > He's awesome, runs people over, his last name is Greene, he's from
> > Jersey. Enough said.
>
> > Sign him up on the cheap, now, Jets.
>
> It takes two to contract but not a bad idea if on the cheap.
>
> h
as he has warranted big bucks with anyone yet.
He will be 28 in the 2013 season his FA year. How much do you pay
him?
oldn...@mindspring.com
Oct 25, 2011, 9:49:16 PM10/25/11
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So Shonn may start looking suddenly better than his 3.8 until now. Re-sign him now before it goes to his agent's head.
Harlan Lachman
Oct 26, 2011, 11:33:48 PM10/26/11
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In article
<98e89147-919d-436a...@g27g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
Assuming the information on this website is accurate,
http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/running-back/
I would extend his deal two years at $4-$5 per year and give him an
extra mil this year (since we have the cap room). That money is between
the 5th and 6th best backs according to the web site.
That way we get to keep him if valuable and it only cost us a mil and he
gets the right to insure himself against injury for real money and the
knowledge that if he says, in three years he be rich.
h
<98e89147-919d-436a...@g27g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/running-back/
I would extend his deal two years at $4-$5 per year and give him an
extra mil this year (since we have the cap room). That money is between
the 5th and 6th best backs according to the web site.
That way we get to keep him if valuable and it only cost us a mil and he
gets the right to insure himself against injury for real money and the
knowledge that if he says, in three years he be rich.
h
oldn...@mindspring.com
Oct 27, 2011, 1:39:41 AM10/27/11
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On Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:33:48 PM UTC-4, Harlan Lachman wrote:
> In article
> <98e89147-919d-436a...@g27g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
> John C TX <johnc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 24, 10:14 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <65b7c8a8-205b-4d1e...@u2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
> In article
> <98e89147-919d-436a...@g27g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
> John C TX <johnc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 24, 10:14 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > >
> > > JetsLife <Jets...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > This kid has proven just how he good he is when he has some space.
> > >
> > > > He's awesome, runs people over, his last name is Greene, he's from
> > > > Jersey. Enough said.
> > >
> > > > Sign him up on the cheap, now, Jets.
> > >
> > > It takes two to contract but not a bad idea if on the cheap.
> > >
> > > h
> >
> > We have him cheap for another year. If I am his agent I wait in see
> > as he has warranted big bucks with anyone yet.
> >
> > He will be 28 in the 2013 season his FA year. How much do you pay
> > him?
>
> Assuming the information on this website is accurate,
> http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/running-back/
> I would extend his deal two years at $4-$5 per year and give him an
> extra mil this year (since we have the cap room). That money is between
> the 5th and 6th best backs according to the web site.
>
> That way we get to keep him if valuable and it only cost us a mil and he
> gets the right to insure himself against injury for real money and the
> knowledge that if he says, in three years he be rich.
>
He's the 5th or 6th best back in the league, at 3.8 per?
> > > JetsLife <Jets...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > This kid has proven just how he good he is when he has some space.
> > >
> > > > He's awesome, runs people over, his last name is Greene, he's from
> > > > Jersey. Enough said.
> > >
> > > > Sign him up on the cheap, now, Jets.
> > >
> > > It takes two to contract but not a bad idea if on the cheap.
> > >
> > > h
> >
> > We have him cheap for another year. If I am his agent I wait in see
> > as he has warranted big bucks with anyone yet.
> >
> > He will be 28 in the 2013 season his FA year. How much do you pay
> > him?
>
> Assuming the information on this website is accurate,
> http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/running-back/
> I would extend his deal two years at $4-$5 per year and give him an
> extra mil this year (since we have the cap room). That money is between
> the 5th and 6th best backs according to the web site.
>
> That way we get to keep him if valuable and it only cost us a mil and he
> gets the right to insure himself against injury for real money and the
> knowledge that if he says, in three years he be rich.
>
MZ
Oct 27, 2011, 9:34:22 AM10/27/11
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> <98e89147-919d-436a-b034-f1b0ee3ad...@g27g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
RBs are cheap these days. They don't have to do anything with
Greene. If he suddenly becomes a great back, they can franchise him
in two years and it won't cost them a whole lot of money.
> John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 24, 10:14 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <65b7c8a8-205b-4d1e-996c-4f869e00a...@u2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > This kid has proven just how he good he is when he has some space.
>
> > > > He's awesome, runs people over, his last name is Greene, he's from
> > > > Jersey. Enough said.
>
> > > > Sign him up on the cheap, now, Jets.
>
> > > It takes two to contract but not a bad idea if on the cheap.
>
> > > h
>
> > We have him cheap for another year. If I am his agent I wait in see
> > as he has warranted big bucks with anyone yet.
>
> > He will be 28 in the 2013 season his FA year. How much do you pay
> > him?
>
> Assuming the information on this website is accurate,http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/running-back/
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 24, 10:14 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <65b7c8a8-205b-4d1e-996c-4f869e00a...@u2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > This kid has proven just how he good he is when he has some space.
>
> > > > He's awesome, runs people over, his last name is Greene, he's from
> > > > Jersey. Enough said.
>
> > > > Sign him up on the cheap, now, Jets.
>
> > > It takes two to contract but not a bad idea if on the cheap.
>
> > > h
>
> > We have him cheap for another year. If I am his agent I wait in see
> > as he has warranted big bucks with anyone yet.
>
> > He will be 28 in the 2013 season his FA year. How much do you pay
> > him?
>
> I would extend his deal two years at $4-$5 per year and give him an
> extra mil this year (since we have the cap room). That money is between
> the 5th and 6th best backs according to the web site.
>
> That way we get to keep him if valuable and it only cost us a mil and he
> gets the right to insure himself against injury for real money and the
> knowledge that if he says, in three years he be rich.
>
> h
Yikes, that's a lot of money for a guy who played one good game. :)
> extra mil this year (since we have the cap room). That money is between
> the 5th and 6th best backs according to the web site.
>
> That way we get to keep him if valuable and it only cost us a mil and he
> gets the right to insure himself against injury for real money and the
> knowledge that if he says, in three years he be rich.
>
> h
RBs are cheap these days. They don't have to do anything with
Greene. If he suddenly becomes a great back, they can franchise him
in two years and it won't cost them a whole lot of money.
John C TX
Oct 27, 2011, 11:01:07 AM10/27/11
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that doesn't have a Brady, Manning, etc. has used how many RB's in the
past 7 years.
How much angst did Lamont Jordan cause in here?
Harlan Lachman
Oct 27, 2011, 11:40:17 PM10/27/11
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In article
<14897104.3678.1319693982011.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqoo7>,
You guys miss my drift. I would pay him a mil now since he is locked up
this year and next in order to add two years at a top salary. If he is
not a top salary back, we cut him and it cost us only a mil in year we
had cap room. If he develops as some hope, he may be worth half or less
than what a top WR makes.
I would call this planning for the future without locking us into a
future or wondering if our next RB is another Ducasse or Anthony Clement.
h
<14897104.3678.1319693982011.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqoo7>,
this year and next in order to add two years at a top salary. If he is
not a top salary back, we cut him and it cost us only a mil in year we
had cap room. If he develops as some hope, he may be worth half or less
than what a top WR makes.
I would call this planning for the future without locking us into a
future or wondering if our next RB is another Ducasse or Anthony Clement.
h
John C TX
Oct 28, 2011, 9:02:21 AM10/28/11
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> <14897104.3678.1319693982011.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqoo7>,
So bonus him a million a year to tie him up at the high price? OK but
I think Mark is saying don't sweat it. You can franchise him or a
year or find someone else's Shonn Greene cheaper.
I think Mark is saying don't sweat it. You can franchise him or a
year or find someone else's Shonn Greene cheaper.
cd
Oct 29, 2011, 7:07:42 AM10/29/11
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>
> - Show quoted text -
I don't think Greene is the problem, it is Schott, but I want to know
where Lamont Jordan is.
eric
Oct 29, 2011, 4:46:49 PM10/29/11
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Papa Carl
Oct 29, 2011, 5:15:00 PM10/29/11
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"eric" <wart...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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with his head down most of the time....he is good, but not great and nowhere
near the level of quite a few other RB's around the league. I want him to
show me something more...can he even really get to the outside if he has to?
Percy Flage
Oct 31, 2011, 9:18:21 AM10/31/11
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behind a great OL and he'd not been pounded all season long, but it was
mainly off-tackle stuf (IIRC). I don't think he knows which way the
outside is, let alone knows how to get there.
--
Percy Flage
"Life is too short to have to explain everyday."
graybeard
Oct 31, 2011, 10:33:36 AM10/31/11
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designed sweeps, then they shouldn't be called for Greene. If he is
bouncing outside because the hole he expected in the line didn't
materialize, then he should be told to just man up and plow into the
line anyway where the hole was supposed to be. At least then he might
pick up a yard or two instead of losing three or four.
--
graybeard
Papa Carl
Oct 31, 2011, 3:29:56 PM10/31/11
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"graybeard" <gray...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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outside. He plows into the middle now. He is one dimensional unless he has
great blocking and something opens up, that is not a top level RB.
John C TX
Nov 1, 2011, 8:14:13 AM11/1/11
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On Oct 31, 2:29 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "graybeard" <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
Papa, I agree we have him for a year. He will be 28 at the start of
the following year & if you need him you franchise him & if you don't
then you find the next Derrick Ward floating around.
> "graybeard" <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
the following year & if you need him you franchise him & if you don't
then you find the next Derrick Ward floating around.
Papa Carl
Nov 1, 2011, 11:04:47 AM11/1/11
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"John C TX" <johnc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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and get some O linemen and a good running back? As I watch games around the
League I keep seeing very good backs and wonder how it is the Jets got to
wind up in this situation now. Somebody thought Greene was way better than
he is. Again...we can not really know. OMHO
John C TX
Nov 1, 2011, 11:32:30 AM11/1/11
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On Nov 1, 10:04 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:7d2390fc-fae7-4b30...@a12g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
Papa he isn't horrible. He is actually pretty good at doing what they
ask. He is on par to rush for 1000 & that is after the start with the
OL blown up due to injuries. BTW Did you ever watch Hunter run
blocking in the last game? I thought there was a reason to have some
hope.
Right now you have 2 vastly different RB's & McKnight shows some
promise as LT's replacement.
As for finding someone I am talking about FA RB's to fill in not make
trades for anyone. Someone else will be faced with the same choice we
will make on Greene.
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:7d2390fc-fae7-4b30...@a12g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
ask. He is on par to rush for 1000 & that is after the start with the
OL blown up due to injuries. BTW Did you ever watch Hunter run
blocking in the last game? I thought there was a reason to have some
hope.
Right now you have 2 vastly different RB's & McKnight shows some
promise as LT's replacement.
As for finding someone I am talking about FA RB's to fill in not make
trades for anyone. Someone else will be faced with the same choice we
will make on Greene.
Papa Carl
Nov 1, 2011, 8:29:30 PM11/1/11
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Jesus, Mary and Joseph...where did I saw he was "horrible" ??????? I never
did. I said he was sort of one dimensional and that I did not consider him
one of the best backs in the League...I still don't think he is. Enough
said. You did not read what I wrote...did you see the part about doing
better in this area with the draft???? You are discussing McKnight? How
much has he done? Is some other team going to snatch him up?
did. I said he was sort of one dimensional and that I did not consider him
one of the best backs in the League...I still don't think he is. Enough
said. You did not read what I wrote...did you see the part about doing
better in this area with the draft???? You are discussing McKnight? How
much has he done? Is some other team going to snatch him up?
Papa Carl
Nov 1, 2011, 9:28:07 PM11/1/11
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be a regular rotation back before I make any kind of judgements on him...you
just can not tell from what we have seen.
Percy Flage
Nov 2, 2011, 6:33:44 AM11/2/11
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On 02/11/2011 01:28, Papa Carl wrote:
> "Papa Carl"<papa...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:98ydnbDAQ652Ey3T...@giganews.com...
>>
> "Papa Carl"<papa...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:98ydnbDAQ652Ey3T...@giganews.com...
>>
>>> How about save some draft picks, get somebody who can actually draft
>>> well,
>>> and get some O linemen and a good running back? As I watch games around
>>> the
>>> League I keep seeing very good backs and wonder how it is the Jets got to
>>> wind up in this situation now. Somebody thought Greene was way better
>>> than
>>> he is. Again...we can not really know. OMHO
>>
>> Papa he isn't horrible. He is actually pretty good at doing what they
>> ask. He is on par to rush for 1000& that is after the start with the
>>> well,
>>> and get some O linemen and a good running back? As I watch games around
>>> the
>>> League I keep seeing very good backs and wonder how it is the Jets got to
>>> wind up in this situation now. Somebody thought Greene was way better
>>> than
>>> he is. Again...we can not really know. OMHO
>>
>> Papa he isn't horrible. He is actually pretty good at doing what they
>> OL blown up due to injuries. BTW Did you ever watch Hunter run
>> blocking in the last game? I thought there was a reason to have some
>> hope.
>>
>> Right now you have 2 vastly different RB's& McKnight shows some
>> blocking in the last game? I thought there was a reason to have some
>> hope.
>>
>> promise as LT's replacement.
>>
>> As for finding someone I am talking about FA RB's to fill in not make
>> trades for anyone. Someone else will be faced with the same choice we
>> will make on Greene.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Jesus, Mary and Joseph...where did I saw he was "horrible" ??????? I
>> never did. I said he was sort of one dimensional and that I did not
>> consider him one of the best backs in the League...I still don't think he
>> is. Enough said. You did not read what I wrote...did you see the part
>> about doing better in this area with the draft???? You are discussing
>> McKnight? How much has he done? Is some other team going to snatch him
>> up?
>>
>
> John...you are contagious..."saw" should be "say"....I want to see McKnight
> be a regular rotation back before I make any kind of judgements on him...you
> just can not tell from what we have seen.
Papa, I'm not sure McKnight has the bulk to be considered as a regular
>>
>> As for finding someone I am talking about FA RB's to fill in not make
>> trades for anyone. Someone else will be faced with the same choice we
>> will make on Greene.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Jesus, Mary and Joseph...where did I saw he was "horrible" ??????? I
>> never did. I said he was sort of one dimensional and that I did not
>> consider him one of the best backs in the League...I still don't think he
>> is. Enough said. You did not read what I wrote...did you see the part
>> about doing better in this area with the draft???? You are discussing
>> McKnight? How much has he done? Is some other team going to snatch him
>> up?
>>
>
> John...you are contagious..."saw" should be "say"....I want to see McKnight
> be a regular rotation back before I make any kind of judgements on him...you
> just can not tell from what we have seen.
rotation back. He's shown flashes of speed and good hands, but John,
LT's replacement? Right now, that's funny.
John C TX
Nov 2, 2011, 8:51:59 AM11/2/11
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On Nov 1, 7:29 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:950fcd14-7956-447b...@x36g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
I am glad the nuns stick with you.
:)
>I said he was sort of one dimensional and that I did not consider him
> one of the best backs in the League...I still don't think he is. Enough
> said. You did not read what I wrote...did you see the part about doing
> better in this area with the draft???? You are discussing McKnight? How
> much has he done? Is some other team going to snatch him up?
I was trying to cheer you up. I am with MZ, & you, RB's are not worth
it & he looks good not great.
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:950fcd14-7956-447b...@x36g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
:)
>I said he was sort of one dimensional and that I did not consider him
> one of the best backs in the League...I still don't think he is. Enough
> said. You did not read what I wrote...did you see the part about doing
> better in this area with the draft???? You are discussing McKnight? How
> much has he done? Is some other team going to snatch him up?
it & he looks good not great.
John C TX
Nov 2, 2011, 9:06:22 AM11/2/11
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On Nov 2, 5:33 am, Percy Flage
Percy, I don't think he is LT. I think he can do some of things LT
does: receiver & decent runner. I hope he can fill the void in the
near future when needed. I think he could be a better outside runner
than LT currently is.
If LT goes down then blitzing Sanchez is a staple of every game. I
also to this day have never seen anyone get 1 yard more effectively by
diving than LT. Last year he touched the 260 times & we got a 1st down
42 times.
LT is why you don't overpay Greene. There will be another one out
there.
<percy.flage_REM@OVE_ianwhitephoto.co.uk> wrote:
> On 02/11/2011 01:28, Papa Carl wrote:
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> > "Papa Carl"<papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> On 02/11/2011 01:28, Papa Carl wrote:
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does: receiver & decent runner. I hope he can fill the void in the
near future when needed. I think he could be a better outside runner
than LT currently is.
If LT goes down then blitzing Sanchez is a staple of every game. I
also to this day have never seen anyone get 1 yard more effectively by
diving than LT. Last year he touched the 260 times & we got a 1st down
42 times.
LT is why you don't overpay Greene. There will be another one out
there.
Papa Carl
Nov 2, 2011, 11:43:00 AM11/2/11
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franchise (with me) is they let guys go and do not replace them with equal
quality. The backs they have today are not as good as what they had with TJ
and Washington and the O line today is not as good as then. I don't see
McKnight as a guy who will do more than play a "role" in certain situations.
Could he? I have no idea, and neither does anyone else unless they have had
direct contact in working with him. And....I do not think that Greene is
performing as a top level RB at this point. Now...that said, he could be
just so frustrated with the blocking that he burries his head and just
plows ahead. It did look better last outing...let's see if it can improve
some more.
Papa Carl
Nov 2, 2011, 11:45:29 AM11/2/11
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I got in trouble more than a couple of times for saying that. I never went
to paroachial school, but did coach at one for several years. During that
time I would often have my morning coffee with a very elderly Nun who taught
me a lot of very valuable things...and she loved football.
to paroachial school, but did coach at one for several years. During that
time I would often have my morning coffee with a very elderly Nun who taught
me a lot of very valuable things...and she loved football.
John C TX
Nov 2, 2011, 12:04:14 PM11/2/11
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On Nov 2, 10:45 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:b6065a56-d993-4d1c...@z28g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
My mother who wears out her rosary beads said it regularly. You
mentioned that nun before.
It is just insane that they couldn't get an upper level degree in
theology until after Vatican II. I had some crazy ones but I have
encountered so many well meaning, intelligent women who made that
choice, what for them was all the right reasons, as opposed to many
that were hiding for so many reasons: family, fear of spinsterhood,
etc.
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:b6065a56-d993-4d1c...@z28g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
mentioned that nun before.
It is just insane that they couldn't get an upper level degree in
theology until after Vatican II. I had some crazy ones but I have
encountered so many well meaning, intelligent women who made that
choice, what for them was all the right reasons, as opposed to many
that were hiding for so many reasons: family, fear of spinsterhood,
etc.
Papa Carl
Nov 2, 2011, 7:03:05 PM11/2/11
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My wife's great aunt was a fantastic woman and a Jets fan. We used to go to
the games with her till she was in her mid 90's. She loved football.
Because of some family connections she knew some of the players from quite a
few years ago too and they would actually come see her from time to time.
She passed away a couple of years ago. Anyway, she had two friends who were
Nuns in a convent not too far from The Meadowlands. She asked me a few
times to take her to visit them. It was actually a blast, we went out for
lunch and it was always a tremendous learning event for me. I kept my mouth
shut and listened and learned. These were women who used to take a ferry to
go to NYC...no bridge was there yet. I heard the entire story of why the
Nuns became Nuns and you are quite right about what drove it. One was from
Ireland, and she had very little other choices to make. They had very
devoted and productive lives. Both of the ones who were friends of our Aunt
spent their lives helping in hospitals and with the disabled. There is a
lot there to be admired. For me....that Nun I'm referring to had a sign in
her office....it said, "Football is not a matter of life and death--It is
much more important than that." She never missed a game. I loved Mondays
at work when she would talk to me about how my linebackers performed. She
was in her 80's and knew what she was talking about too. She told me she
liked my coaching style because I rarely ever hollered but always talked to
players coming out of the game by taking them aside and "alone." I do miss
those days....all of those Nuns are gone now. They were all very well
educated too and very smart.
the games with her till she was in her mid 90's. She loved football.
Because of some family connections she knew some of the players from quite a
few years ago too and they would actually come see her from time to time.
She passed away a couple of years ago. Anyway, she had two friends who were
Nuns in a convent not too far from The Meadowlands. She asked me a few
times to take her to visit them. It was actually a blast, we went out for
lunch and it was always a tremendous learning event for me. I kept my mouth
shut and listened and learned. These were women who used to take a ferry to
go to NYC...no bridge was there yet. I heard the entire story of why the
Nuns became Nuns and you are quite right about what drove it. One was from
Ireland, and she had very little other choices to make. They had very
devoted and productive lives. Both of the ones who were friends of our Aunt
spent their lives helping in hospitals and with the disabled. There is a
lot there to be admired. For me....that Nun I'm referring to had a sign in
her office....it said, "Football is not a matter of life and death--It is
much more important than that." She never missed a game. I loved Mondays
at work when she would talk to me about how my linebackers performed. She
was in her 80's and knew what she was talking about too. She told me she
liked my coaching style because I rarely ever hollered but always talked to
players coming out of the game by taking them aside and "alone." I do miss
those days....all of those Nuns are gone now. They were all very well
educated too and very smart.
oldn...@mindspring.com
Nov 2, 2011, 9:36:25 PM11/2/11
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On Wednesday, November 2, 2011 11:43:00 AM UTC-4, Papa Carl wrote:
> "Percy Flage"
Exactly so. You don't get rid of somebody just because "he sucks". You get rid of him because you've got somebody better -- otherwise you're weakening the team.
After all, if the guy really sucks it's easy to get somebody better than him.
If it's not easy to get somebody better than him, then he doesn't suck.
From rushing 172 yards/game (1st) to 92 yards/game (28th). Looks like they got rid of a bunch of players who sucked.
> "Percy Flage"
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> > On 02/11/2011 01:28, Papa Carl wrote:
> >> "Papa Carl"
> news:9hckk9...@mid.individual.net...
> > On 02/11/2011 01:28, Papa Carl wrote:
> >> "Papa Carl"
After all, if the guy really sucks it's easy to get somebody better than him.
If it's not easy to get somebody better than him, then he doesn't suck.
From rushing 172 yards/game (1st) to 92 yards/game (28th). Looks like they got rid of a bunch of players who sucked.
Papa Carl
Nov 2, 2011, 11:26:09 PM11/2/11
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sucked...this is all financial and someone convincing the rest that they can
get by with the replacements or that the cost of the players they let go was
not in line with what they produced...some spin was created to come up with
a plan that brought them to where they are now. And....in that plan someone
convinced them this crew was equal to those who left...it just ain't
so...even if some of the previous crew was on the decline...they did not do
an adequate job of recognizing and evaluating talent. So who do you
blame?????
oldn...@mindspring.com
Nov 4, 2011, 12:37:03 AM11/4/11
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But it doesn't really matter, same result. If you get rid of people *before* you have replacements for them -- either because they suck *or* because of finances -- your "ground and pound" running game upon which you have based your O and team's character drops from 172/game #1, to 90/game #28.
That's the bottom line. Get rid of successful players before you have replacements for them, pay the price. The reason for getting rid of them doesn't matter. 'Nuff said.
> this is all financial and someone convincing the rest that they can
> get by with the replacements or that the cost of the players they let go was
> not in line with what they produced...some spin was created to come up with
> a plan that brought them to where they are now. And....in that plan someone
> convinced them this crew was equal to those who left...it just ain't
> so...even if some of the previous crew was on the decline...they did not do
> an adequate job of recognizing and evaluating talent. So who do you
> blame?????
John C TX
Nov 4, 2011, 10:10:33 AM11/4/11
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but they offered the guy $10MM guaranteed before he hurt his leg.
I think that is Rex. If you don't want to be here & complain he lets
you go or trades you. Look at Rhodes & Cotchery.
Papa Carl
Nov 4, 2011, 11:28:31 AM11/4/11
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Do you think LT fit the ground and pound scenario? Do you think he has much
left? Do you think Greene is the answer? You have to look at the entire
picture, not just pieces of it at a time. They had the most successful
running game in football, they CHOSE to dismantle it and did not replace the
entire package with a better one, that's it. The whole thing is what plays
the game, not just one piece at a time.
left? Do you think Greene is the answer? You have to look at the entire
picture, not just pieces of it at a time. They had the most successful
running game in football, they CHOSE to dismantle it and did not replace the
entire package with a better one, that's it. The whole thing is what plays
the game, not just one piece at a time.
John C TX
Nov 4, 2011, 12:51:40 PM11/4/11
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On Nov 4, 10:28 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:be9cb35e-93b8-4864...@g1g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...
I think top to bottom LT & Greene are better than Washington & Jones.
Jones & Washington both would have struggled last year with the loss
of Faneca. I can't remember how many times he pulled & popped a
defender so they could break free outside. LT is a better pass blocker
& receiver than Jones. Washington had 100 yards last year and he never
saw the blitz coming in his entire career. For the record I wanted to
to keep him as McKnight is still a big ? You know he wil break out
his 4th year when he is eligible for FA.
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:be9cb35e-93b8-4864...@g1g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...
Jones & Washington both would have struggled last year with the loss
of Faneca. I can't remember how many times he pulled & popped a
defender so they could break free outside. LT is a better pass blocker
& receiver than Jones. Washington had 100 yards last year and he never
saw the blitz coming in his entire career. For the record I wanted to
to keep him as McKnight is still a big ? You know he wil break out
his 4th year when he is eligible for FA.
Papa Carl
Nov 4, 2011, 8:16:22 PM11/4/11
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You can not compare a player who moves to another system...not the same
blockers, not the same system...most players take a step back and neither of
them are in top systems compared to where they had been. So...if LT and
Greene are so good why is production so poor. I don't see what you see in
Greene at all and I do not see him as even close to the caliber of TJ over
his career. Washington got hurt....we don't know what he would have been if
he had stayed a Jet...my point is to replace him with equal or better...do
you think LT plays beyond this year? They have problems with talent
evaluation...OMHO.
blockers, not the same system...most players take a step back and neither of
them are in top systems compared to where they had been. So...if LT and
Greene are so good why is production so poor. I don't see what you see in
Greene at all and I do not see him as even close to the caliber of TJ over
his career. Washington got hurt....we don't know what he would have been if
he had stayed a Jet...my point is to replace him with equal or better...do
you think LT plays beyond this year? They have problems with talent
evaluation...OMHO.
John C TX
Nov 7, 2011, 8:32:58 AM11/7/11
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On Nov 4, 6:16 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:4ef69d7a-869a-4c0d...@hc5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
Jones did nothing until his 5th year & 3rd team so yes I would agree
with you that systems, teams, etc. are huge factors. LT replaced
Jones he may or may not out last Jones. I thin the plan is for
McKnight or next year's rookie to work out.Greene & McKnight replaced
Washington. I think we did OK there especially based on the risk
factor with Leon's injury. I also have a gut feeling, which means
nothing, that Rex only wants guys around who want to be around.
As for Greene I think he is good but with flaws. I always look at
Kevin Faulk as a guy who figured it out after several years especially
in regards to picking up the blitz.
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:4ef69d7a-869a-4c0d...@hc5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
with you that systems, teams, etc. are huge factors. LT replaced
Jones he may or may not out last Jones. I thin the plan is for
McKnight or next year's rookie to work out.Greene & McKnight replaced
Washington. I think we did OK there especially based on the risk
factor with Leon's injury. I also have a gut feeling, which means
nothing, that Rex only wants guys around who want to be around.
As for Greene I think he is good but with flaws. I always look at
Kevin Faulk as a guy who figured it out after several years especially
in regards to picking up the blitz.
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