Re: Cimini calling out Schott...
Keith Keller
On 2010-10-19, buRford <buR...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> Cimini's always covering Schott's derriere, & has never said a bad word about him, so this
> is kind of interesting coming from him.
> I haven't watched the game again... I thought someone had posted that the original
> playcall, was a short pass to the first down marker, or something similar. Cimini's an
> ass, but even so, if what he's saying is true, my great esteem for Schott has really taken
> a hit. Someone who recorded the game... please tell me Cimini is wrong!
>
>
> Tuesday, October 19, 2010
> Jets win on ill-conceived play
> By Rich Cimini
[snip]
> On a fourth-and-6 from the Denver Broncos' 48, the Jets sent four receivers on vertical
> routes -- Holmes on the backside, with Braylon Edwards, Jerricho Cotchery and Dustin
> Keller in "trips" to the right. After studying the replay, a revelation: There was no
> safety valve because LaDainian Tomlinson stayed in to block.
>
> As it turned out, Tomlinson probably didn't have to stay in to block because the Broncos
> rushed only four, with a fifth coming on a delayed blitz. That left six blocking five.
> With four receivers downfield, and no check-down options, Mark Sanchez had no choice but
> to heave it.
Cimini is complaining about the play call, but how was he supposed to
know how many men Denver would rush? If you'd fault the play call for
anything, it'd be that either a) Sanchez didn't have an audible option
to send Tomlinson out, or b) Sanchez had an audible option but wasn't
able to read the defense to guess how many they would rush.
But it's also fourth and six--if Sanchez uses a check-down option, and
it comes up short, it's just as useless as no check-down. Also, if a
lineman is beat, Tomlinson is available to pick him up and give Sanchez
more time. So I really don't have any problem with LT staying back to
block.
If Cimini's description of the play is accurate, then I might have a
problem with sending all four receivers deep. At least one of them
could try a medium route, say 8-10 yards.
It's hard to tell from nfl.com's highlights, but one thing you can see
is that the defensive player who almost got to Sanchez right before he
threw the ball was being blocked by Tomlinson. (He may have been ready
to release for a check-down option if he hadn't run into the defensive
lineman right away; perhaps LT decided it was too dangerous to release
with both offensive linemen on either side of him occupied.)
--keith
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> Cimini's always covering Schott's derriere, & has never said a bad word about him, so this
> is kind of interesting coming from him.
> I haven't watched the game again... I thought someone had posted that the original
> playcall, was a short pass to the first down marker, or something similar. Cimini's an
> ass, but even so, if what he's saying is true, my great esteem for Schott has really taken
> a hit. Someone who recorded the game... please tell me Cimini is wrong!
>
> Tuesday, October 19, 2010
> Jets win on ill-conceived play
> By Rich Cimini
>
> closer look at the Mile High Miracle --Renaldo Hill's 46-yard pass-interference penalty on
> Santonio Holmes -- and you will see it wasn't a well-designed play by the Jets.
>
> On a fourth-and-6 from the Denver Broncos' 48, the Jets sent four receivers on vertical
> routes -- Holmes on the backside, with Braylon Edwards, Jerricho Cotchery and Dustin
> Keller in "trips" to the right. After studying the replay, a revelation: There was no
> safety valve because LaDainian Tomlinson stayed in to block.
>
> As it turned out, Tomlinson probably didn't have to stay in to block because the Broncos
> rushed only four, with a fifth coming on a delayed blitz. That left six blocking five.
> With four receivers downfield, and no check-down options, Mark Sanchez had no choice but
> immediately. It was nice of Rex Ryan to praise Sanchez for having the presence of mind to
> throw it deep, but, really, what else was there to do?
>
> The officials made the right call -- it was pass interference -- an utterly dumb play by
> Hill. If the pass had fallen incomplete, fans would be complaining about Brian
> Schottenheimer's play call in that situation. The Jets should've had a receiver in the
> short to intermediate range -- a "sticks" option -- but they took the all-or-nothing
> approach. Afterward, Sanchez said it best: "We stole a win."
>
> Other thoughts and observations after breaking down the tape:
>
> HAVING A BLAST: On Tomlinson's game-winning TD run, moments after the pass interference,
> he received nice blocks from FB Tony Richardson and LG Matt Slauson. It was the Jets'
> "Blast" running play, their bread-and-butter in short yardage. Slauson blew open a huge
> hole, a nice way to end a play that almost started with disaster. He got his feet tangled
> with Sanchez, who stumbled as he pulled away from center. Some Denver defenders appeared
> to let Tomlinson score on purpose, but coach Josh McDaniels said that wasn't the case.
> Just soft defense, I suppose.
>
> STRETCH MARKS: On Tomlinson's 20-yard TD, the key blocks were thrown by rookie FB John
> Conner and LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson. This was a vintage "stretch" play to the left.
> Conner, in an off-set I, took out Mr. Interference, Hill. (Not a wonderful couple of plays
> there for Hill.) Ferguson got to the second level and did a nice job of walling off LB
> Mario Haggan. Ferguson, in case you haven't noticed, has been outstanding over the last
> four games.
>
> NOT USING YOUR HEAD: That was a terrible personal-foul call on S Jim Leonhard, who was
> flagged for a helmet-to-helmet hit on WR Brandon Lloyd. He led with his right shoulder,
> not his head. His helmet may have grazed Lloyd's helmet in an incidental manner, but it's
> clear that Leonhard's shoulder delivered the brunt of the hit. As everybody knows, the
> league is cracking down on shots to the head. Leonhard said he would appeal a fine.
>
> PACKING A WALLOP: CB Darrelle Revis didn't look like a guy with a cranky hamstring when he
> blew up WR Eddie Royal in the third quarter, exploding into Royal to break up a short
> pass. Fans have been getting on Revis for his performance -- he allowed four completions
> for 66 yards, including a TD -- but he really didn't play that badly. With an extra week
> to rest during the bye, he should, in theory, be 100% for the Green Bay Packers.
>
> OOPS: By the way, the touchdown he allowed -- 17 yards to Demaryius Thomas -- should've
> been challenged by the Jets. He bobbled and didn't get both feet down.
>
> TWIN PICKS: Sanchez' two interceptions had a common denominator: He didn't see the
> underneath coverage.
>
> Pick No. 1 -- Sanchez followed Cotchery on an in-cut, seeing CB Champ Bailey on Cotchery
> the whole way. Sanchez thought it was man-to-man coverage, but it was a combination
> coverage. LB Jason Hunter was sitting in a "hook" zone and made the interception.
>
> Pick No. 2 -- Sanchez was looking for Keller, who was covered by CB Nate Jones. It seemed
> to be man-to-man, as Jones was running with Keller, but it actually was a bracket
> coverage. Jones fell off, passing him off to CB Syd'Quan Thompson, who was in a zone.
> Interception. Sanchez seems to have a blind spot when it comes to those kind of passes.
>
> CAUGHT SLEEPING: On the Broncos' surprise onsides kick, the Jets got caught cheating, big
> time. At first glance, it looks like Kenwin Cummings was the guy who bailed out too soon,
> but it was actually Brodney Pool. He had retreated 12 yards by the time the ball was
> kicked.
>
> WHERE'S VERNON?: After showing some early promise, DE/OLB Vernon Gholston has all but
> disappeared -- again. He barely got on the field in Denver. Recently-signed Trevor Pryce
> has taken over Gholston's spot in the D-line rotation and, now that Calvin Pace is
> healthy, Gholston really isn't needed at outside linebacker.
>
> NO DEALS: As expected, the Jets didn't make any trades before Tuesday's trading deadline.
In the presser, Rex explicitly said it was supposed to be a "to the
sticks" play, which means that there weren't supposed to have everyone
deep. Either Rex is covering Schott's ass or Cimini has it wrong or a
player or two ran the wrong route. Of course there was supposed to be
a safety valve at or a bot beyong the 1st down marker. Cimini is an
idiot.
papa.carl44
"Tutor" <dcat...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:54424e71-09a7-4233...@w19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
Cimini will still be a buffoon...but there was a receiver just shallow of
the PI call that should not have been in the same area. I think it looks
sometimes like there are too many people in the same place at times...OMHO.
I'd like to see it over again.
Keith Keller
>
> Cimini is a bozo, so since this was his first negative words on Schott, I'm wondering if
> it was even possible, to see the other receivers routes on the TV.
It was very difficult from the initial broadcast. But as a ''member''
of the media Cimini may have access to other camera angles.
> So, this can be another one of his made up stories.
...or that. Is Cimini the Jets' version of Larry Brooks? The last time
I read Cimini, I was reading him in Newsday when I was a naive teenager.
Keith Keller
><kkeller...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote:
>>
>> Is Cimini the Jets' version of Larry Brooks?
>
> probably the beat reporter with the most sources, as he's been covering them for years.
That's pretty much Larry Brooks to a T!
Harlan Lachman
Keith Keller <kkeller...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote:
Keller, with three or four WR, at least two of them should have run 8 -
12 yard routes, in case one was doubled. Someone going long should have
been a decoy to clear things out.
Like others, I would like to know the routes run and the coverage
thereof.
A four yard route would have been F--king stupid. Two deep routes would
be too unless there were two 8-12 yard routes underneath.
Since Holmes was doubled (short and long), one would think one of the
other receivers would not have been.
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John C TX
Paul Hackett thinks you are crazy.
Glenn Greenstein
> In article <d0j1p7xf1g....@goaway.wombat.san-francisco.ca.us>,
> Keith Keller <kkeller-use...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote:
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> > Disclaimer: I haven't watched the play either.
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There is something getting lost in this and Cimini probably may not
even know or care about, the receivers also make reads to what they
see the defenders doing and make route adjustments accordingly hence
the term, being on the same page (QB and receiver seeing the same
thing and making the same adjustment). If you noticed, Holmes did a
double move on his route, he actually may have had the option to break
off the route and go inside if the defender had stuck to him, the
thing was he totally lost the defender and signaled to Sanchez to
throw it at the goal line. This also could be why there was a WR a bit
more shallow than Holmes because his route was probably a deep route
all along. If everyone went deep, that may have been how all the
receivers read the play.
As I am sure a lot of you have heard, you take what the D gives you,
if they were more concerened with taking away the stick plays than the
deeper ones, all the players running these routes deep (if that is
even what happened) may have done so for that reason (under routes are
all clogged).