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MZ
Nov 13, 2011, 9:14:56 PM11/13/11
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On Nov 13, 9:11 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> They're doing the same Offense, that was ineffective earlier in the season.
> They need to get back to what's been working lately... rushing Shonn, & play-action.
> When they pass a lot, they move the ball, & stall in the redzone.
> Also, they're back to replacing Shonn, immediately after he gets a 1st-down, rather than
> letting him get going.
>
> Disappointed in D's intensity. Was hoping they'd come out like they did last week.
Burf, play to the strengths and weaknesses of the opponent. Any team
that doesn't pass a lot against the Pats D doesn't deserve to win.
Passing is the right move today.
> They're doing the same Offense, that was ineffective earlier in the season.
> They need to get back to what's been working lately... rushing Shonn, & play-action.
> When they pass a lot, they move the ball, & stall in the redzone.
> Also, they're back to replacing Shonn, immediately after he gets a 1st-down, rather than
> letting him get going.
>
> Disappointed in D's intensity. Was hoping they'd come out like they did last week.
Burf, play to the strengths and weaknesses of the opponent. Any team
that doesn't pass a lot against the Pats D doesn't deserve to win.
Passing is the right move today.
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MZ
Nov 13, 2011, 9:55:20 PM11/13/11
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On Nov 13, 9:35 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> In this case you're wrong, Mark.
> They never score when they run the O this way... and the OL gets shaky after a while, and
> Sanchez gets antsy. They never play well, when pass is the first-option, even against a
> suspect 2ndary.
Burf, it's not "suspect". They've run out of players. In a few
minutes, they'll be playing WRs back there. No, seriously, they ran
out of defensive backs. Why would you NOT pass against a team that
doesn't have their defensive backs?
The Pats entered 2011 with:
CB McCourty
CB Dowling
CB Bodden
SS Chung
FS Meriweather/Sanders
Presently, not a single one of those players is on the field.
> You'll also notice that even though they're passing, they haven't tried
> to stretch the field yet... another symptom of this ineffective strategy.
> They need to do play-action, and so far, the Pats haven't stopped Greene... so, why run an
> ineffective O?
Main problem I've seen is the OTs, especially Hunter who's terrible.
With some clever help from the backs and TEs, which probably means
running more tight sets (this spread stuff needs to stop...), the Jets
O should be able to score 2-3 TDs in the second half.
> They never score when they run the O this way... and the OL gets shaky after a while, and
> Sanchez gets antsy. They never play well, when pass is the first-option, even against a
> suspect 2ndary.
Burf, it's not "suspect". They've run out of players. In a few
minutes, they'll be playing WRs back there. No, seriously, they ran
out of defensive backs. Why would you NOT pass against a team that
doesn't have their defensive backs?
The Pats entered 2011 with:
CB McCourty
CB Dowling
CB Bodden
SS Chung
FS Meriweather/Sanders
Presently, not a single one of those players is on the field.
> You'll also notice that even though they're passing, they haven't tried
> to stretch the field yet... another symptom of this ineffective strategy.
> They need to do play-action, and so far, the Pats haven't stopped Greene... so, why run an
> ineffective O?
Main problem I've seen is the OTs, especially Hunter who's terrible.
With some clever help from the backs and TEs, which probably means
running more tight sets (this spread stuff needs to stop...), the Jets
O should be able to score 2-3 TDs in the second half.
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MZ
Nov 13, 2011, 10:58:31 PM11/13/11
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On Nov 13, 10:22 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
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> I don't care how weak the 2ndary is, Schott has no clue how
> to exploit it,
But this is contradictory, and what you've been complaining about
Schott for a long time about. There's an obvious weakness on the
defense. Don't go with what's worked in previous games. Attack the
weakness! If the Jets can't score against the worst secondary in the
NFL, then they really have no business even thinking about playoffs.
The run also has not been working, especially so far this half. So
it's not like they'd be going away from something successful.
<snip>
> I don't care how weak the 2ndary is, Schott has no clue how
> to exploit it,
But this is contradictory, and what you've been complaining about
Schott for a long time about. There's an obvious weakness on the
defense. Don't go with what's worked in previous games. Attack the
weakness! If the Jets can't score against the worst secondary in the
NFL, then they really have no business even thinking about playoffs.
The run also has not been working, especially so far this half. So
it's not like they'd be going away from something successful.
Papa Carl
Nov 13, 2011, 11:05:19 PM11/13/11
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"MZ" <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote in message
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considered a top team in this League...that simple. Hunter is terrible and
Sanchez can not see very much at all....Brick is not elite guy either.
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MZ
Nov 14, 2011, 12:15:25 AM11/14/11
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On Nov 14, 12:05 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> It's exactly what I've always said about Schott. The past few weeks, they got away from
> the typical Schott crap, & played the only way they can to win, with him at the helm...
> rushing & play-action. With a pass-first philosophy, the way this O is designed, they
> cannot compete in this league. Most of this game you saw it... the OL gets confused &
> Sanchez gets pummeled then vaporizes. And there are no adjustments.
Yeah, didn't seem like many adjustments either, but I didn't see much
confusion from the OL. I saw a lack of talent. They were losing one-
on-one matchups, particularly on the edge. Brick and Hunter weren't
confused, they were just outmatched. Brick is usually much better
than this. Hunter is awful, but the coaching staff has done a poor
job of trying to compensate for this.
> And you're right, they have no business thinking about the playoffs.
> Especially with an effort like tonight.
>
> Congrats on yer win ;)
It was nice to see tonight, but the Pats won't make it out of the
first round of the playoffs. They just don't have the horses on
defense.
> It's exactly what I've always said about Schott. The past few weeks, they got away from
> the typical Schott crap, & played the only way they can to win, with him at the helm...
> rushing & play-action. With a pass-first philosophy, the way this O is designed, they
> cannot compete in this league. Most of this game you saw it... the OL gets confused &
> Sanchez gets pummeled then vaporizes. And there are no adjustments.
Yeah, didn't seem like many adjustments either, but I didn't see much
confusion from the OL. I saw a lack of talent. They were losing one-
on-one matchups, particularly on the edge. Brick and Hunter weren't
confused, they were just outmatched. Brick is usually much better
than this. Hunter is awful, but the coaching staff has done a poor
job of trying to compensate for this.
> And you're right, they have no business thinking about the playoffs.
> Especially with an effort like tonight.
>
> Congrats on yer win ;)
It was nice to see tonight, but the Pats won't make it out of the
first round of the playoffs. They just don't have the horses on
defense.
CaptMyng
Nov 14, 2011, 6:03:02 AM11/14/11
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On Nov 13, 8:11 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> They're doing the same Offense, that was ineffective earlier in the season.
> They need to get back to what's been working lately... rushing Shonn, & play-action.
> When they pass a lot, they move the ball, & stall in the redzone.
> Also, they're back to replacing Shonn, immediately after he gets a 1st-down, rather than
> letting him get going.
>
> Disappointed in D's intensity. Was hoping they'd come out like they did last week.
What they need is a QB that can stand up and deliver. What they need
> They're doing the same Offense, that was ineffective earlier in the season.
> They need to get back to what's been working lately... rushing Shonn, & play-action.
> When they pass a lot, they move the ball, & stall in the redzone.
> Also, they're back to replacing Shonn, immediately after he gets a 1st-down, rather than
> letting him get going.
>
> Disappointed in D's intensity. Was hoping they'd come out like they did last week.
to do is admit that the Sanchez experiment is a failure and move on.
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Papa Carl
Nov 14, 2011, 7:58:05 AM11/14/11
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"buRford" <buR...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
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> in this
> offense, with these players. He is not a straight drop-back QB, at least
> at this point in
> his career.
> If Tebow was QB, Schott would do the same thing... use an offense that
> doesn't fit him, by
> making him a drop-back QB.
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I just think that O line is so static they can't keep doing roll outs...they
don't have the juice to do it more than a few times...those guys can not
move. Slauson runs by guys, Mangold looks like the only good one they have.
I think they are just not very good at all.
John C TX
Nov 14, 2011, 8:48:59 AM11/14/11
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I still think it is Rex added all these extra tackles & TE's t the
formation but if it isn't & it is Callahan we need to maybe move on
with a few offensive assistants.
CaptMyng
Nov 14, 2011, 9:18:35 AM11/14/11
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On Nov 14, 6:46 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 03:03:02 -0800 (PST), CaptMyng <dfu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 03:03:02 -0800 (PST), CaptMyng <dfu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> They have to play a certain type of football, for Sanchez to be successful in this
> offense
Then once the other team builds a lead the Jets must concede the game?
> offense
That's what I mean by stand up and deliver. Sanchez is just half a QB.
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