Pats' D almost as bad as their O is good
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Patriots setting all kinds of records, on both sides of the ball
New England scored over 30 points in each of the last eight games of the 2010 regular season. And while the offense floundered in memorable fashion against the Jets in New England’s only postseason game last season, the Patriot offense has again topped 30 points in every game in 2011. By doing so, New England became the first team to score over 30 points in 12 straight regular-season games...
How good has New England’s offense been? The Patriots are the first team in league history to gain over 2,000 yards in the opening four games.
The only offense that might be able to match New England’s? Whatever offense is on the other sideline.
The Patriots are the first team in league history to allow over 1,900 yards to opponents in the first four games.
Tom Brady has thrown for 1,553 yards on 163 passes so far. Pretty good, but Chad Henne, Philip Rivers, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jason Campbell threw for 1,475 yards on 168 passes against the Patriots’ defense. Bill Belichick probably gets treated for whiplash after every practice.
Señor Patriots
> http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/04/different-but-brilliant...
Well the truth is what it is: They do give up a lot of yards. The
problem is that stat fails to account for red zone defense, takeaways,
or garbage time. That is generally a problem with statistics. If
yardage was the prime indicator of success then they wouldn't be 3 and
1.
Lots of defenses are behind their offenses this year. I can't believe
it would be happening like this across the league if not for the
lockout. But then there are the anomalies like the Bengals. Who
knew? Who can even figure that one out?
Now if the Pats finally roll out Haynesworth to line up next to
Wilfork tomorrow you will have to deal with a crappy defense being
pretty good against the interior rush. Your team has a lot of
problems to solve on that OL and with your running game, and to do it
against Haynesworth and Wilfork on the road doesn't strike me as any
slam dunk.
IMO the Jets' only hope is that the OL can pass block and that Sanchez
can turn his game around in a big hurry. He has to be protected
better and he has to fling the ball around like a real QB. I'm afraid
that is pretty obvious but since there was this Ground and Pound
Identity talk going on, it needs to be said: Suit up to pass block
and suit up to fling the ball around. This ain't gonna be no Ground
and Pound picnic that will protect a game manager QB.
MZ
> http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/04/different-but-brilliant...
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Luckily for the Pats, they don't assign points to teams for gaining a
lot of yards. As senor mentioned, the Pats D has been pretty tight in
the red zone, which has led to a close-to-average PPG number.
I don't think they can rely on that throughout the season. Things are
coming down to one or two plays for them (one or two plays that could
go the other way, but for the most part haven't yet). But, by the
same token, it's unlikely that they continue to give up so many
passing plays too.
Having said all that, this is the wrong game for Rex to try to bring
back "ground and pound"...
RävNsfän ®
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Why do you say that, ...has the press failed to report on miraculous
improvements to the Patriots defense? If the Pats can stop the JETS running
game occasionally they may well gain enough scoring separation to force the
JETS out of the G&P where of course Sanchez is generally most vulnerable.
However, I'm not buying that Rex will follow through from the onset with a
pure G&P game plan.
The Patriots defense is poor at best and Sanchez should be able to operate
well enough without significant pressure. Baring a JETS offensive meltdown
like that in B'more, I see nothing to suggest that the JETS D can't keep
this game close enough for a late fourth quarter JETS victory.
--
~Drew
"Talk is cheap ...lets just play"
Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts
Señor Patriots
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> The Patriots defense is poor at best and Sanchez should be able to operate
> well enough without significant pressure. Baring a JETS offensive meltdown
> like that in B'more, I see nothing to suggest that the JETS D can't keep
> this game close enough for a late fourth quarter JETS victory.
pretty good at takeaways (as I said before), so you're not paying
close attention. If you want yardage, then take it. Take a bunch.
Take all you want. I hope Sanchez gets 500 yards as long as he loses
the game. In fact I hope he drives his team 80 yards, knocks on the
door, and then throws a pick to Wilfork. Then we'll ask Sanchez how
important the 80 yards was. See how important the 500 yards were if
that team is 2-3 on the bus home.
It would be poetic justice for Sanchez to throw a pick like that to
Wilfork and then have to tackle the guy. Then Sanchez not only has
another 80 meaningless yards under his belt, but he's got a gigantic
knee hole in his forehead to match. Pour all those yards into the
hole to patch it up.
The other thing you didn't listen to was the idea that Haynesworth may
line up next to Wilfork this week. I don't know how you expect a
Mangold to handle that, but Mangold is not superman. Let's just face
one thing: If those two play the interior next to one another
tomorrow, ain't nobody running too far between the tackles. I just
don't know how the Jets find their lost running game in a situation
like that. Better to try that on Buffalo.
What the Jets need is a very creative passing game that they have not
generated this year in four games. There isn't any other way. They
cannot run to success tomorrow. They have to throw it. I'm sorry, but
nickel and dime packages will rule in that case and Sanchez will have
to have the game of his life for the Jets to go home winners.
So my official prediction is that Sanchez has a great game, but
loses. I sincerely hope the kid does not throw the pick though. He's
a good Mexican, I love Mexican football players, so let's not get him
time in a wheelchair. Arrrrriba!
NK
<roam...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>The Pats have the worst yardage defense in the league but they are
>pretty good at takeaways (as I said before)
turnover differential. But, that's not something that can be relied on
(as seen in the playoff loss). It's not the old "bend, but don't
break" defense. Todays Pats aren't just giving up a lot a yards,
they're giving up a lot of points, too (ranked 20th).
And it gets worse. Wilfork has two of the team's 7 interceptions.
Another of them was a totally meaningless garbage time INT. Another of
them was a desperate 4th down situation where the Pats would have been
better off if the pass was just knocked to the ground. Another was
where the QB meant to just throw it away, but instead threw it right
at a defender. That leaves 2 INTs that could be legitimately
attributed to good work by the secondary/pass rush. This Pats D has
some "issues", for sure. I'm betting they get better, though. :-)
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NK
eric
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 22:33:44 -0700 (PDT), Señor Patriots
>
> >The Pats have the worst yardage defense in the league but they are
> >pretty good at takeaways (as I said before)
>
> Last year the Pats led the league in interceptions, and, I think, in
> turnover differential. But, that's not something that can be relied on
> (as seen in the playoff loss). It's not the old "bend, but don't
> break" defense. Todays Pats aren't just giving up a lot a yards,
> they're giving up a lot of points, too (ranked 20th).
1. Ranking 20th in points given up is a LOT different from ranking
dead last. The teams are really tightly bunched in the middle...
Consider the pick six the Pats gave up against Buffalo, a play that
was just bad luck. Remove those 7 points and the Pats are 13th in the
league in points allowed.
2. Every week the passing yardage has gone down. That will probably
continue this week because, well it's the Jets and NE is getting
several defensive players back off the injury list.
Señor Patriots
I hadn't even thought of that - 20th is not good but it's far from the
worst. I didn't realize that the yardage totals have been declining
either.
To me the real issue is pressure (or lack thereof) from the front
seven and that will take care of the secondary which is under siege.
I don't see the pressure manifesting in terms of sacks or QB hits
which is disappointing but I have to state also that the injuries to
the front seven have been pretty horrendous. Now some guys are
finally getting back on the field and the project can continue to
grow.
Also Pepper Johnson is quite happy with the penetration the front
seven is getting. He said it's not showing up as sacks and QB hits
right now but that they're getting the job done. I guess he's happy
that they are at least showing progress instead of stagnating. He was
quite emphatic that he was happy with what he was seeing. He was
pretty convincing. We fans want sacks and QB hits, but hurrying the
QB can be pretty effective too. I do expect that the unit will
continue to improve. I think sky is the limit for them, but who wants
to hear that right now? Right now it's Jets day and we need results,
not promises.
R�vNsf�n �
news:8188d408-175a-458e...@d9g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
> Having said all that, this is the wrong game for Rex to try to bring
> back "ground and pound"...
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Considering all the phony fan nicks that you have been posting under all
over Usenet, I can assure you Butters', ..."that I know" who you are more
intimately than you can remotely recall.
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~werd
oldn...@mindspring.com
> On Oct 8, 9:33 pm, "RävNsfän ®" <noem...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The Patriots defense is poor at best and Sanchez should be able to operate
> > well enough without significant pressure. Baring a JETS offensive meltdown
> > like that in B'more, I see nothing to suggest that the JETS D can't keep
> > this game close enough for a late fourth quarter JETS victory.
> The Pats have the worst yardage defense in the league but they are
> pretty good at takeaways (as I said before), so you're not paying
> close attention.
Well, it's no so easy to game plan turnovers.
How'd that work out against the Bills?