supplemental draft
Ed & Lori Davila
I read today in the sporting news artical by rich
cimini that the jets are interested in dt jamal williams from oklahoma
state. He is projected as a 1st or 2rd round player. My queston is how
does the supplemental draft work and how woud the jets be able to get
the guy?
TARR NYC
He would have to slip all the way to the second round because the Jets have no
first round choice next year. If he happens to slip to the 2nd round the Jets
could pick him but they would not be able to pick till the 3 round next year
because NE has our first rounder next year. Rob Moore was a supplemental pick
in 1990 and that is why we pick Browning Nagle in the 2nd round.
Icky
In the supplemental draft players are available to be picked who were not
declared eligible in time for the draft. Teams can draft players in the
supplemental draft but relinquish their pick (in whatever round the player
was taken) in the following draft. If teams do not select any players their
draft for the following season is not effected.
In the case of Jamal Williams he is projected to go in the late first round.
If he were to slip to the point the Jets pick in the second round then the
Jets could draft him (giving up their 2nd round pick next season). Parcells
has stated he is hesitant to do this as it would leave him with no picks in
the first 2 rounds next season.
Ed & Lori Davila wrote in message
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Robert A Jensen
Rob Moore turned out to be a good player, but that was the worst move in
franchise history. Ron Wolf and Dick Haley had projected Brett Favre as
the best player in the entire draft coming out of college. Without a
first round pick they lost him. Favre was picked in the second round and
had the Jets not drafted Moore in the supplementary draft Brett Favre,
not Browning Nagle would have been the QB of the future that year.
Bob Jensen
Spntiluwin
In article <359501...@erols.com>, Robert A Jensen <raje...@erols.com>
writes:
>Rob Moore turned out to be a good player, but that was the worst move in
>franchise history. Ron Wolf and Dick Haley had projected Brett Favre as
>the best player in the entire draft coming out of college. Without a
>first round pick they lost him. Favre was picked in the second round and
>had the Jets not drafted Moore in the supplementary draft Brett Favre,
>not Browning Nagle would have been the QB of the future that year.
Bob you just gotta love Hindsight!
CJ
Ed & Lori Davila
Now that hurts. Just knowing we had the chance to get farve and didnt .
How can we have made the same mistake twice. I know we also had the
chance to take marino and didnt.
Hopefully bp has enough foresight not to make the same mistake again. As
for farve who knew.
John Dimtsios
No offense, but I don't understand why everybody keeps bringing these
things up. Every other team (except for the Dolphins) also passed on
Marino. Also, every other NFL team passed on Brett Favre - and some teams
did so twice. It's not like the the Portland Trailblazers who passed up on
Michael Jordan to pick Sam Bowie. I wonder if fans of other teams lament
about not picking up Marino / Favre.
Go Jets,
John Dimtsios
Ed & Lori Davila <edan...@webtv.net> wrote in article
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Robert A Jensen
John Dimtsios wrote:
>
> No offense, but I don't understand why everybody keeps bringing these
> things up. Every other team (except for the Dolphins) also passed on
> Marino. Also, every other NFL team passed on Brett Favre - and some teams
> did so twice.
having a number one pick that year is the reason they couldn't select
him. If they had a number one pick he would have been a Jet, since he
was Wolf's highest rated player and everyone else passed on him in round
one.
Bob Jensen
Bob Jensen
DC5
Robert A Jensen wrote:
> TARR NYC wrote:
> >
> > He would have to slip all the way to the second round because the Jets have no
> > first round choice next year. If he happens to slip to the 2nd round the Jets
> > could pick him but they would not be able to pick till the 3 round next year
> > because NE has our first rounder next year. Rob Moore was a supplemental pick
> > in 1990 and that is why we pick Browning Nagle in the 2nd round.
>
> Rob Moore turned out to be a good player, but that was the worst move in
> franchise history. Ron Wolf and Dick Haley had projected Brett Favre as
> the best player in the entire draft coming out of college. Without a
> first round pick they lost him. Favre was picked in the second round and
> had the Jets not drafted Moore in the supplementary draft Brett Favre,
> not Browning Nagle would have been the QB of the future that year.
> Bob Jensen
Wasn't Favre taken exactly one pick before the Jets took Nagle in the 2d round?
Robert A Jensen
Yes he was, it was that close. Ron Wolf would have taken him with the
Jets first round pick if they had one. INterestingly, Atlanta didn't
play him at all and then Ron Wolf left the Jets to take the GM job at
Green Bay. His first move was to give up the Packers number one pick
that year for Favre, a move that caused Packer fans to hang Ron Wolf in
effigy, how could this new GM give up a low number one pick for a
backuop QB that couldn't play even for the Falcons? It still hurts when
I think about it.
Bob Jensen
DC5
Spntiluwin wrote:
> In article <359501...@erols.com>, Robert A Jensen <raje...@erols.com>
> writes:
>
> >Rob Moore turned out to be a good player, but that was the worst move in
> >franchise history. Ron Wolf and Dick Haley had projected Brett Favre as
> >the best player in the entire draft coming out of college. Without a
> >first round pick they lost him. Favre was picked in the second round and
> >had the Jets not drafted Moore in the supplementary draft Brett Favre,
> >not Browning Nagle would have been the QB of the future that year.
>
> Bob you just gotta love Hindsight!
>
> CJ
The majority of teams passed on Marino and on Favre. Goes to show you how
inexact the 'science' of drafting is. That's why all this arguing over draft
picks is just so we football fans have something to debate about in the
off-season. It's fun for a while but after months of it you'll have to admit
it does gets dull. It'll be more fun to talk about rookies once pre-season
starts.
Rick Rockett
But Bob, just playing the devils advocate here for a moment. Ole Petey would
have been his coach. Can you just imagine how poorly he would have been
handled, not to mention how bad his drug problem would have been if he was
subjected to such horrors. He would have assuredly been one of the players
demanding a trade.
Moot point Bob. move on.
Spntiluwin
>Wasn't Favre taken exactly one pick before the Jets took Nagle in the 2d
>round?
As Maxwell Smart (TV's Get Smart) liked to say,
"Missed him by that much" <G>
CJ
Spntiluwin
>The majority of teams passed on Marino and on Favre. Goes to show you how
>inexact the 'science' of drafting is. That's why all this arguing over draft
>picks is just so we football fans have something to debate about in the
>off-season. It's fun for a while but after months of it you'll have to admit
>it does gets dull. It'll be more fun to talk about rookies once pre-season
>starts.
Well, over at the Pats NG they were talking who was better Renoir or Monet
Here's a little of what has been discussed in the Highly Educated But Mentally
unstable Pats NG! <G>
Norman Rockwell was praised for his 4.2 Forty!
Vargas was a punk who used woosie colors and heavy brush strokes, which was
dismissed as impressionist trash talk. Others said he rules! Good debate there
Renoir was the Man!
Conversation interupted by some European football talk!
Mona Lisa sucked! it was 10 X10" faded little
painting of an ugly broad with a" I got it you didn't "smirk
Or the Popular sentiment it was a self portrait and that Leonardo was
secretly a cross dressing transvestite...hence the smile
Back to a Conversation of Why the WFL changed it's name to NFLEurope
A little trashing of Paris, nothing happening since the liberating of 1944
Conversation "strayed" to snooker and cricket and talk of the Baseball strike!
God help us please!
A quick Renoir is the man! post
Wife thinks
It's Monet over Renoir. Getting the Wives involved always a good sign!
Monet's last painting sold for well in excess of $42 mill
at the most recent Sotheby's action...it sold more on reputation.
Renoir on the otherhand, has had paintings sell in the $35 mill range but he
holds a
European Museum collection edge having more paintings shown in more European
museums per year.
This was counted by Renoir cashed in on the
power struggle between the Great Monet and that Rip Off Artist
Manet. Imagine trying to cash in on the name. Europeans can be duped into
believing anything
Then The Paul McCartney died and was replaced by a clone story surfaced, which
was not unexpected!
The thread was finally ended with this beauty
Renoir couldn't take a hit, and Monet had the dropsies due to
shaky eyesight. And Warhol was cut because he 1. Made too much money
for his abilities, and 2. Couldn't take master arts patron "Guillaume"
Parcells critiques of his performance.
And of course the famous last words!
Renoir couldn't paint a flower on Michaelangelo's ass. A truly
inspired painter who's works evoke tears!!!
Thanks to the following Author's
Philip Benincasa" <pbe...@earhlink.net> Michaelangelo's Backer
LD <ld...@tidewater.net> who astutely pointed out that Monet had the dropsies!
Rick Rockett" <ROC...@prodigy.net> The Monet lover
kmth...@aol.com (KMTHALER) Renoir Lover and the Believer of the Paul McCartney
clone!
Back to football, Please!
CJ
Spntiluwin
In article <35955F...@erols.com>, Robert A Jensen <raje...@erols.com>
writes:
>What is so painful is that the Jets didn't pass on Favre at all. Not
>having a number one pick that year is the reason they couldn't select
>him. If they had a number one pick he would have been a Jet, since he
>was Wolf's highest rated player and everyone else passed on him in round
>one.
So Bob does that mean in 5 years you'll be saying the Jets would have been
Great because they could have drafted Player X but they didn't have a First
round pick in 98 or 99 courtesy of the great Parcells!
I'm waiting for that day to come, and you know it will Bob. <G>
CJ
Robert A Jensen
Even more moot Rick, his coach would have been Bruce Coslet, who might
still be the coach today if he hadn't fallen in love with Browning
Nagle. Not only did the Jets lose Favre, but when Nagle was promoted
over Boomer to starting QB, do you know who the 3rd string QB was? Jeff
Blake who went to the Pro Bowl two years later when he signed with the
Bengals after being cut by Pete Carroll when he became the Jets head
coach.
Bob Jensen
Robert A Jensen
have made it to. After all that is what PArcells record is, isn't it? A
Super Bowl within four years in every town he coached in and this is
with the dead franchises that he starts out with.
Bob Jensen
Rick Rockett
Kenny wrote in message ...
>CJ,
>
>In defense of Bob Jensen, you guys don't cut him a break. If he praises
the
>Jets, he's a Pollyanna, Parcells Bootlicker, etc. On the other hand, he
>says the Jets blew it, he gets sarcasm. I don't get it.
>
>Kenny
You don't get why Pats NG'ers have a problem with Jensen? Maybe you might
have missed some of his stuff in our NG.
Icky
Except Parcells isn't planning on staying that long.
Icky
Perhaps what you should be lamenting is losing Ron Wolf.
>What is so painful is that the Jets didn't pass on Favre at all. Not
>having a number one pick that year is the reason they couldn't select
>him. If they had a number one pick he would have been a Jet, since he
>was Wolf's highest rated player and everyone else passed on him in round
>one.
>Bob Jensen
>Bob Jensen
DC5
Spntiluwin wrote:
good one
DC5
If he doesn't, I think Bill B would do a good job.
Rick Rockett
Jeff Blake is kinda like Vinny, had 1 good year. Got replaced by an ageing
QB, Boomer. There is a reason that players like Vinny have been on 4 teams.
They Suck. Of course 3 coaches that had him before could have been wrong.
John Dimtsios
Agreed.
Go Jets,
John Dimtsios
Robert A Jensen <raje...@erols.com> wrote in article
<35955F...@erols.com>...
> John Dimtsios wrote:
> >
> > No offense, but I don't understand why everybody keeps bringing these
> > things up. Every other team (except for the Dolphins) also passed on
> > Marino. Also, every other NFL team passed on Brett Favre - and some
teams
> > did so twice.
Kenny
CJ,
In defense of Bob Jensen, you guys don't cut him a break. If he praises the
Jets, he's a Pollyanna, Parcells Bootlicker, etc. On the other hand, he
says the Jets blew it, he gets sarcasm. I don't get it.
Kenny
Spntiluwin wrote in message
<199806271556...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
>In article <359501...@erols.com>, Robert A Jensen <raje...@erols.com>
>writes:
>
Jets
John, as far as Favre, I don't think one can lament not picking him. But,
as far as Marino, even the draftnicks who attended that draft were chanting
Marino's name. O'Brien was picked, with Marino going in the next pick
(even the draftnicks knew that this was the spot in the draft that Marino
should go.) Even though 29 teams passed on Marino, the Jets passed on him
in a spot that he should have gone, while picking a player that plays his
position. That's why it's always brought up, as it should. This franchise
has made too many 1st round mistakes, and this one is the crown jewel of
examples.
John Dimtsios <dimt...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<01bda204$6ac1da20$3324...@sjp44.amd.com>...
> No offense, but I don't understand why everybody keeps bringing these
> things up. Every other team (except for the Dolphins) also passed on
> Marino. Also, every other NFL team passed on Brett Favre - and some
teams
Jets
Rick Rockett <ROC...@prodigy.net> wrote in article
<6n4dba$cdki$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...
Rick, it's amazing how idiotic you sound every time you open your mouth.
If Vinny has had only one good year, that means Drew has had only one good
year. They both have similar stats over the last 4 years. As a matter of
fact, Vinny T's QB rating is a hell of a lot better than Drew during that
time. So, if Vinny sucks, so does Drew.
John Dimtsios
Actually, wasn't Nagle promoted to starting QB over Kenny O.?
Go Jets,
John Dimtsios
Robert A Jensen <raje...@erols.com> wrote in article
<3595AB...@erols.com>...
John Dimtsios
However, it wasn't like the Steelers who picked Todd Blackledge. Yeah, the
Jets screwed up, and maybe they "screwed up more" than other teams because
they had a lower pick, but I wouldn't consider it the crown jewel.
Alright, Marino turned out to be great, but I also think that O'Brien
turned out to be a good NFL QB. I would classify the biggest bust being
the Blair Thomas pick. He was a #2 selection and the Jets got nothing from
him. Granted - at the time there was no reason to think he wouldn't be
good. Hindsight is always 20-20. I know I'm nitpicking, but I get more
upset when you have a very high draft pick and get nothing from him than
getting fairly good value from a lower pick (I would classify OB as a
fairly good value - others may disagree) and passing on somebody who gets
picked later and turns out to be Hall-of-Fame material.
Go Jets,
John Dimtsios
Jets <Je...@Hofstra.com> wrote in article
<6n5msc$g...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
DC5
The selection of Lam Jones has to rate as one of the all-time high 1st round
busts for the Jets as well. I believe he was the 2nd overall pick in a draft
just like Blair Thomas. Dishonorable mention award should go to Dave Cadigan.
Oh yeah, there was Roger Vick too. Also, there was a year when the Jets had
two #1's. One of the picks was a guy named Ron Faraut (aka Ross Perot?) who
was so bad that he was actually cut during pre-season! No, the Jets drafting
history is nothing to be proud of. Sure other teams have their first round
busts too, but the Jets seem to have had way more than their fair share. (This
dubious drafting history makes the Curtis Martin deal seem all the more safe.)
Dave C.
John Dimtsios
Your right on all accounts. The Lam Jones pick is classic example of
picking someone on potential rather than seeing if the guy is a football
player or not. Although, I think he was the #3 pick (I could be wrong).
The fact that the Jets have had so many first round busts which contributed
nothing has hurt the team much more than the Jets picking OB rather than
Marino.
Go Jets,
John Dimtsios
DC5 <dee...@warwick.net> wrote in article
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Wayne Kimmel
John Dimtsios wrote:
> However, it wasn't like the Steelers who picked Todd Blackledge.
John, as a Steeler fan, I can guarantee that the Steelers never drafted
Blackledge. KC did. The Steelers then traded (a 4th round pick I believe) for
him in a subsequent year.
Wayne
John Dimtsios
Your right Wayne. Sorry about that. Where was cman to correct me?
Go Jets,
John Dimtsios
Wayne Kimmel <wki...@mail.microserve.net> wrote in article
<359674AC...@mail.microserve.net>...
Wayne Kimmel
Jets wrote:
> John, as far as Favre, I don't think one can lament not picking him. But,
> as far as Marino, even the draftnicks who attended that draft were chanting
> Marino's name. O'Brien was picked, with Marino going in the next pick
> (even the draftnicks knew that this was the spot in the draft that Marino
> should go.) Even though 29 teams passed on Marino, the Jets passed on him
> in a spot that he should have gone, while picking a player that plays his
> position. That's why it's always brought up, as it should. This franchise
> has made too many 1st round mistakes, and this one is the crown jewel of
> examples.
IMO, it's time for people to stop complaining about not getting Marino. That
was a long time ago. It has nothing to do with anybody's current management.
Besides, as you pointed out, everybody who had a first round pick passed on
Marino. Since I live near Pittsburgh, I root for Pitt, Penn State and the
Steelers. As a Pitt fan, I was sure everybody made a mistake with Marino. As
a Steeler fan, I was disappointed we didn't draft him. We drafted a DL named
Gabe Ravera (sp?) instead. Ever hear of him? Probably not. He looked awesome
in the pre season but then wrecked his car. The accident broke his neck and
paralyzed him. Guess what. for the next 10 years all we heard about was that
we could have had Marino, but instead, we got a guy who can't even walk. Sound
fair to you? The point is, everybody screwed up by not taking Marino. It's
time to let it go.
As for Favre, I keep reading in here that he went in the second just 1 pick
before the Jets drafted. It's also been stated in here that the Jets had him
rated as the best prospect in the draft. Question: Why not trade up if he was
that good? Someone said that they tried to jump up 2 spots, but the other team
pulled out of the deal. O.K., but it still seems like poor management to wait
that long. We did the same thing in the 3rd this year. We waited for Little
to fall into our laps, but your Jets traded with the Rams and Little went 1
spot ahead of the Steelers. Our organization has a current rep of doing well
in the draft, but we sure blew that one. I'm still crying.
Any way, from an older Steeler fan to the Jets fans: I know what it's like to
endure the bad times, so good luck.
Wayne
Spntiluwin
In article <6n5msc$g...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "Jets" <Je...@Hofstra.com>
writes:
>John, as far as Favre, I don't think one can lament not picking him. But,
>as far as Marino, even the draftnicks who attended that draft were chanting
>Marino's name. O'Brien was picked, with Marino going in the next pick
You lost Favre by 1 draft spot as well.
Wow the Jets lost out on 2 Hall of fame QB's by 1 draft spot. Ouch, I actually
feel for the Jet nation!
>(even the draftnicks knew that this was the spot in the draft that Marino
>should go.) Even though 29 teams passed on Marino, the Jets passed on him
>in a spot that he should have gone, while picking a player that plays his
>position. That's why it's always brought up, as it should. This franchise
>has made too many 1st round mistakes, and this one is the crown jewel of
>examples.
Now I know why Marino Lights it up against the Jets, he was pissed you didn't
draft him.<G>
Thankfully the Jets didn't have a first rounder this year or next year, to
screw up. Sorry I couldn't resist that one! <G>
CJ
Spntiluwin
In article <6n5o31$g...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "Jets" <Je...@Hofstra.com>
writes:
>Rick, it's amazing how idiotic you sound every time you open your mouth.
>If Vinny has had only one good year, that means Drew has had only one good
>year. They both have similar stats over the last 4 years. As a matter of
>fact, Vinny T's QB rating is a hell of a lot better than Drew during that
>time.
I think you're wrong Jets Lets' go to the Numbers!
Vinny the last 4 seasons 1044 Com 1787 Att 12606 Yds 84 Td 62 INT
That works out to a QB rating of 76.3
Bledsoe the past 4 years 1410 Com 2472 Att 15854 Yds 93 td 73 int
That works out to a 76.6 QB rating
So Bledsoe has a better QB Rating, so stop saying Vinny has a hell of lot
better QB rating than Bledsoe.
CJ
Robert A Jensen
John Dimtsios wrote:
>
> However, it wasn't like the Steelers who picked Todd Blackledge.
> Yeah, the
> Jets screwed up, and maybe they "screwed up more" than other teams because
> they had a lower pick, but I wouldn't consider it the crown jewel.
> Alright, Marino turned out to be great, but I also think that O'Brien
> turned out to be a good NFL QB. I would classify the biggest bust being
> the Blair Thomas pick. He was a #2 selection and the Jets got nothing from
> him. Granted - at the time there was no reason to think he wouldn't be
> good. Hindsight is always 20-20. I know I'm nitpicking, but I get more
> upset when you have a very high draft pick and get nothing from him than
> getting fairly good value from a lower pick (I would classify OB as a
> fairly good value - others may disagree) and passing on somebody who gets
> picked later and turns out to be Hall-of-Fame material.
>
You are right about Blair Thomas, but to be fair, even Jimmy Johnson
said he would have picked Thomas in that spot.In that draft, there were
a couple of running backs selected after Blair who turned out OK,
including Emitt Smith who JJ did take some 15 picks later. Thomas did
have a serious knee injury in his junior year but it was supposed to
have healed as a senior. Beware of running backs that high with a
history of serious injury.
Bob Jensen
Rick Rockett
Thanks CJ. since I kill filed the little man, I have the pleasure of not
seeing his dribble. He should do the same to me. I see he is still in
Rockett Denial.
Robert A Jensen
Spntiluwin wrote:
>
> Thankfully the Jets didn't have a first rounder this year or next year, to
> screw up. Sorry I couldn't resist that one! <G>
>
> CJ
I have a hunch he could be a decent running back.
Bob Jensen
Robert A Jensen
Yeah... I know its too embarrasing to post.
Bob Jensen
Rick Rockett
Actually Bob, It was their 1st & 3rd pick and a whole lot of money, for what
is a very minimal upgrade over what the Jets had already. But I'm glad
you've finally used the Key word, "COULD".
Remember Bob, AM had 860 carries for 3447 yards a 4.0 ave, and CM had 958
carries for 3799 yards and a guess what? 4.0 ave.
And of course CM will have the benefit of that re-tooled OL.
Practice Squad Berger, Rookie Fabini and of course that durable Elite center
Mawae. Lets not forget that future HOF'er Glen Foley keeping the heat off
Curtis. LOL
John T Chryssochoos
Rick Rockett (ROC...@prodigy.net) wrote:
: Practice Squad Berger,
berger was a starter. The practice squad guy was burns. they are both
pretty good.
Rookie Fabini
dont forget rookies bateman (6'6 322)
and
of course that durable Elite center
: Mawae.
and his new backup gisler and widely acclaimed 2nd year jenkins
:Lets not forget that future HOF'er Glen Foley keeping the heat off
: Curtis. LOL
more like the converse hopefully something drew will wish he still had.
Interesting that bledsoe himself stated "No one on the team was happy to
see curtis go"
Oh yeah dont forget our ace up our sleeves--coaching
JC
PATRlOTS
>The Jets selected Curtis Martin with this years first round draft pick.
>I have a hunch he could be a decent running back.
>Bob Jensen
I dont know...I hear he has a history of injuries<G>
Rick Rockett
Choo Choo, you mean the coach that blew any chance the Jets had of reaching
the playoffs by calling that trick play?
And Choo Choo, Berger was primarily a practice squad and back up player
until he cracked into that elite OL of the Bears.
TARR NYC
>But,
>as far as Marino, even the draftnicks who attended that draft were chanting
>Marino's name.
on cocaine during his college years. You cannot blame the Jets for passing on
him. Marino was a good quarterback the moment he step on campus at Pitt. Its
really ironic that Miami took a huge gamble on him consdering all the cocaine
in that city. He clean himself up and became a HOF quarterback He dominated as
a fershman but has some bad games as a junior and senoir.
John T Chryssochoos
Rick Rockett (ROC...@prodigy.net) wrote:
: Choo Choo, you mean the coach that blew any chance the Jets had of reaching
: the playoffs by calling that trick play?
actually the trick play didnt end our playoff run, it was the call by the
refs that did that. The trick play was an incomplete pass putting us at
2nd
and goal from the 9 yard line down by three points
: And Choo Choo, Berger was primarily a practice squad and back up player
: until he cracked into that elite OL of the Bears.
:
I didnt know that where did you get that info from. Are you sure you are
not confused since we did pick up a player from the bears practice squad
that played pretty well for us by the name of burns. I find it hard to
believe that berger started the year on the practice squad and then made
the team and then the starting team and then became a free agent picked up
by Parcells. I did hear that Wannstadt didnt want to resign berger though
so you could be right.
JC
John T Chryssochoos
TARR NYC (tar...@aol.com) wrote:
: This is the low down on why so many teams passed on Danny. He was strung out
: on cocaine during his college years. You cannot blame the Jets for passing on
: him. Marino was a good quarterback the moment he step on campus at Pitt. Its
I never heard this before. What is your source? I am surprised that
Marino hasnt had any expose's on the subject that i would have heard about
.
JC
Rick Rockett
John, Berger was a starter for all 16 games. He was a back up and practice
squad player prior to that
Wayne Kimmel
TARR NYC wrote:
> This is the low down on why so many teams passed on Danny. He was strung out
> on cocaine during his college years. You cannot blame the Jets for passing on
> him. Marino was a good quarterback the moment he step on campus at Pitt. Its
> really ironic that Miami took a huge gamble on him consdering all the cocaine
> in that city. He clean himself up and became a HOF quarterback He dominated as
> a fershman but has some bad games as a junior and senoir.
Marino was rumored to be on drugs in college. There is a difference between fact
and rumor. However, that was the suspected reason why Marino slid to the second.
He was also rated below the other QB's, so I'm not sure the drug rumor really had
any bearing. How many people have you ever heard of who could kick a cocaine
habit like that? He didn't even go into rehab.
Wayne
John T Chryssochoos
66aj$1...@curly.cc.emory.edu>:
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Rick Rockett (ROC...@prodigy.net) wrote:
: John, Berger was a starter for all 16 games. He was a back up and practice
: squad player prior to that
:
you dont have to call me john. choo choo doesnt bother me. With a name
like mine there isnt anything I havent been called.
Rick isnt it possible that he became a good player last year and deserves
not to be reffered to as a practice squad player since he started in 16
games.
JC
Spntiluwin
In article <199806281756...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
spnti...@aol.com (Spntiluwin) writes:
>In article <6n5o31$g...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "Jets" <Je...@Hofstra.com>
>writes:
>
>>Rick, it's amazing how idiotic you sound every time you open your mouth.
>>If Vinny has had only one good year, that means Drew has had only one good
>>year. They both have similar stats over the last 4 years. As a matter of
>>fact, Vinny T's QB rating is a hell of a lot better than Drew during that
>>time.
>
>I think you're wrong Jets Lets' go to the Numbers!
>
>Vinny the last 4 seasons 1044 Com 1787 Att 12606 Yds 84 Td 62 INT
>That works out to a QB rating of 76.3
>
>Bledsoe the past 4 years 1410 Com 2472 Att 15854 Yds 93 td 73 int
>That works out to a 76.6 QB rating
>
>So Bledsoe has a better QB Rating, so stop saying Vinny has a hell of lot
>better QB rating than Bledsoe.
>
Oops!
Vinny's QB rating is 81.4 My Mistake!
The Formula is a bit confusing, I messed up sorry Jets!
Must have put some of the playoff numbers in there as well!
You can say Vinny has a better QB Rating, but not a hell of a lot better.
[(^_^)]
CJ
Spntiluwin
In article <35968A...@erols.com>, Robert A Jensen <raje...@erols.com>
writes:
>So where are the stats for playoff games between Vinnie and Drew?
I was assuming he was talking Reg Season.
>Yeah... I know its too embarrasing to post.
I've posted them before!
With Parcells Bledsoe had a playoff QB Rating of 50
Without Parcells he had a playoff QB rating of 60
Drew does better with Pete than with Parcells.
Is that what you wanted Bob?
CJ
Spntiluwin
In article <359688...@erols.com>, Robert A Jensen <raje...@erols.com>
writes:
>You are right about Blair Thomas, but to be fair, even Jimmy Johnson
>said he would have picked Thomas in that spot.In that draft, there were
>a couple of running backs selected after Blair who turned out OK,
>including Emitt Smith who JJ did take some 15 picks later. Thomas did
>have a serious knee injury in his junior year but it was supposed to
>have healed as a senior. Beware of running backs that high with a
>history of serious injury.
Bob, Parcells should have listened to you with this years first round "pick"
for the Jets! Curtis Martin had a serious injury that required Surgery!
CJ
Spntiluwin
In article <35968A...@erols.com>, Robert A Jensen <raje...@erols.com>
writes:
>The Jets selected Curtis Martin with this years first round draft pick.
>I have a hunch he could be a decent running back.
Well Bob you should listen to youself More often
You said the following in an earlier post.
"Beware of running backs that high with a
history of serious injury."
Have fun with CM!
Thanks Bill!
CJ
Spntiluwin
In article <6n64i4$8...@curly.cc.emory.edu>, jch...@curly.cc.emory.edu (John T
Chryssochoos) writes:
>more like the converse hopefully something drew will wish he still had.
>Interesting that bledsoe himself stated "No one on the team was happy to
>see curtis go"
What would you rather Drew say, the Truth!
CJ
Spntiluwin
In article <6n66aj$1...@curly.cc.emory.edu>, jch...@curly.cc.emory.edu (John T
Chryssochoos) writes:
>actually the trick play didnt end our playoff run, it was the call by the
>refs that did that. The trick play was an incomplete pass putting us at
>2nd
>and goal from the 9 yard line down by three points
Yup and Parcells never calls that play, the refs never have a chance to take
the game away from you.
Parcells "opened" the door for the Jets to lose, and Leon Johnson "threw" it
right into the the lions hands!
And don't forget earlier the Ray Lucas INT. You were knocking on the door there
too, and Parcells, made another stupid call! Or do you want to blame the refs
there as well.
CJ
Jets
Spntiluwin <spnti...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199806282200...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
No problem, CJ. I gotta admit though, you had me scrambling around
wondering where I made the mistake :-) At least you fessed up when you
made an error. Well, lately at least :-)
Some people, like Rick Rockett, continue to run and talk in circles when
they know their idea is beaten.
Well, in the end, what I was trying to say to Rick "not a" Rockett
"scientist" was that if he's gonna say that Vinny T. sucks and that he only
has had one good year, he should look at the comparative stats between Drew
and Vinny over the last 4 years.
Icky
Where did you read that, the National Enquirer?
TARR NYC wrote in message
<199806281936...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
>>But,
>>as far as Marino, even the draftnicks who attended that draft were
chanting
>>Marino's name.
Icky
One thing that hurt Marino is that he was drafted high in the USFL draft.
The Pats were going to pick him but the owner nixed that because he was
afraid he would get into a bidding war to sign him.
Rick Rockett
Okay john, I'll give you that. The only thing I can remember about Berger in
the game that he played against the Pats was that he wasn't noticed. The
Bears only rushed for 79 yards as a team.
TARR NYC
>Where did you read that, the National Enquirer?
No I knew the person who snorted the cocaine with him. There are ya satified.
College girl trying to get close to Marino at the time.
Brian C. Nerzig
On Sat, 27 Jun 1998, Ed & Lori Davila wrote:
> Now that hurts. Just knowing we had the chance to get farve and didnt .
> How can we have made the same mistake twice. I know we also had the
> chance to take marino and didnt.
> Hopefully bp has enough foresight not to make the same mistake again. As
> for farve who knew.
At the time of the Rob Moore pick, no one knew anything about Brett Favre.
Remember, the supplemental draft we picked Moore in was a year before the
entry draft that Favre was picked up by Atlanta. They are the team that
should be crucified. They chose guys like Billy Joe Tolliver and the lot
and traded away Favre to Green Bay.
Hinsight is 20/20. What if we dont pick Wilkes in the supplemental draft
and he goes on to become the next Reggie White? Then do you once again
crucify Parcells for making the wrong choice?
Brian
Ed & Lori Davila
It's easy to say hinsight is 20/20 but in this day and age organizations
spend alot of time and money in evaluating players . There are players
were it is obvious they posses the physical and mental atributes to
become successful nfl players . Such was the case with rob moore.
But as for brett farve i think he was a victim of small school syndrom .
In college brett was a tremendous play maker . And because he came from
a small school needed more time to develope . But wasnt given the
opertunity. So i agree atlanta blew it by not giving him enough time .
My point is with all this talk about wanting to buy the groceries bp
damn well better make the right choice . Because if this guy williams
does turn out to be the next reggie white and the jets have a chance to
get him and dont does that make bp any better at buying groceries than
say robert kraft.
Ickybaluky
More than a small school syndrome, there were other factors causing Favre to
slip. He had suffered a serious injury and missed part of his senior year.
He also had a reputation as a party guy and part of the reason Atlanta got
rid of him was he had poor practice habits and was frequently late for
meetings. Favre is the perfect example of a guy with talent who needed to
mature (Cris Carter as well). Atlanta at the time thought they had their QB
in Chris Miller (a good QB who had his career cut short by concussions) so
they traded Favre because of his immaturity. While I understand this was a
horrible trade, it isn't as bad if you understand the circumstances at the
time. The trade was lucky for Favre as well because he was put in a
situation where he could play and develop under two of the better offensive
minds in the game (Fritz Shurmur and Mike Holmgren) -> as opposed to Atlanta
where he would have to play in a stats friendly run in shoot which left QBs
exposed to injury.
Also, while Jamal Williams is a good player, he hasn't proved he is the next
Reggie White. While he is generally considered the jewel of the
supplemental draft, he probably would have been a late first-rounder at best
in the regular draft (this year). Also, he is also young and needs to
mature, so he probably wouldn't have instant impact.
Ed & Lori Davila wrote in message
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Psychosis
I'd take Vinny for 1 year at 2million savings over NOD in a second.
Who cares if hes not Bledsoe, hes cheaper than NEal, and probably just as
good. We made out great with that deal.
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| The Jerk, Mike "Miz" Misiewicz |
| -STRONGER THAN ALL- |
+--------------------------------+
On Sat, 27 Jun 1998, Rick Rockett wrote:
> Jeff Blake is kinda like Vinny, had 1 good year. Got replaced by an ageing
> QB, Boomer. There is a reason that players like Vinny have been on 4 teams.
> They Suck. Of course 3 coaches that had him before could have been wrong.
>
>
>
>
>
Psychosis
I just gotta ask this question!!
Why do the Pats fans HATE CM so much, considering he was there best
running back they've had in ages?
Look at stats, ask experts, ask even fans who don't have special interests
in the argument (namely jets-pats fans). They'll all tell you that CM is
a great RB who has planty of years left, and was a great pickup for the
Jets. Even with the huge contract he got, the Jets have alot more to
spend, so the money becomes irrelevant.
the only people who'll talk trash about CM are Pats fans. Its funny how
quickly they turn. Same goes for Parcells. He ecame in a VERY close
second for coach of the year (to Dungy, probably because he didn't make
the PO). But according to Pats, he's the worst coach in the league. Even
though he created the team that gave the Pats their best chance atsome
rings.
You don't see Jets fans talking trash about Murrell, or Graham. NOD yes,
but that's a different story :) I think Murrell and Graham didn't fit
into the bug picture for the Jests, but will do well in arizopna and
philly, respectively. I'll still cheer for em. Pats fans make me sick
sometimes.
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| The Jerk, Mike "Miz" Misiewicz |
| -STRONGER THAN ALL- |
+--------------------------------+
On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Rick Rockett wrote:
> Actually Bob, It was their 1st & 3rd pick and a whole lot of money, for what
> is a very minimal upgrade over what the Jets had already. But I'm glad
> you've finally used the Key word, "COULD".
> Remember Bob, AM had 860 carries for 3447 yards a 4.0 ave, and CM had 958
> carries for 3799 yards and a guess what? 4.0 ave.
> And of course CM will have the benefit of that re-tooled OL.
> Practice Squad Berger, Rookie Fabini and of course that durable Elite center
> Mawae. Lets not forget that future HOF'er Glen Foley keeping the heat off
> Curtis. LOL
>
>
>
>
>
HelzWrath
Psychosis <bc0...@binghamton.edu> wrote:
<lots of bashing of Pats fans snipped>
>You don't see Jets fans talking trash about Murrell, or Graham.
You don't? Jester wouldn't shut up for a long time about how Murrell stunk up
the joint the last 8 games of 1997. I guess you must have missed those posts.
I guess you also missed Jester ripping Hugh Douglas for his lack of production
in 1997. Maybe you should read more closely from now on.
>NOD yes,
>but that's a different story :)
Yeah, because Tuna has ripped him publicly, so all the Tuna rump-swabs in here
feel they have free reign to participate in NOD-bashing as well.
>I think Murrell and Graham didn't fit
>into the bug picture for the Jests
The bug picture? Yeah, those 2 guys were a bunch of pests, weren't they?
> but will do well in arizopna and
>philly, respectively. I'll still cheer for em. Pats fans make me sick
>sometimes.
If we make you sick because of ripping players that have left the team, then
you must find Jester to be quite vomit-inducing.
Huntie/Helzie
"Your world's inside my fist/You put yourself above me
There's somethin' that you missed/You always say you hate me
You watch me anyway/You can't resist"
-Henry Rollins
Robert A Jensen
HelzWrath wrote:
>
> You don't? Jester wouldn't shut up for a long time about how Murrell stunk up
> the joint the last 8 games of 1997. I guess you must have missed those posts.
>
> I guess you also missed Jester ripping Hugh Douglas for his lack of production
> in 1997. Maybe you should read more closely from now on.
>
said about them by the Jets to give perspective, not the type of CM
kraft-Grier propaganda.
1. Murrell just couldn't deliver. He gained less than 500 yards over the
last ten games of the year.
2. Hugh Douglass had just 4 sacks and no production on stopping the run.
3. Jeff Graham. Also disappeared over the last half of the year. No TD's
after the season opener.
How is that ripping or insulting a player. I hope that they all do well,
especuially since they are all in the NFC East which won't bother the
Jets at all. Parcells told all the players that they would be evaluated
at the end of the year, and none of the players lost contributed anythin
over the last half of the year, which is exactly why they were let go
and why the Jets got draft picks for them.
Bob Jensen
Ickybaluky
>3. Jeff Graham. Also disappeared over the last half of the year. No TD's
>after the season opener.
I can agree with you with Graham, he dropped too many balls and was too
inconsistent to warrant keeping at his salary.
>1. Murrell just couldn't deliver. He gained less than 500 yards over the
>last ten games of the year.
While I think Murrell is a good back, and could see him prospering in the
right situation, I understand why the Jets got rid of him. Martin is an
upgrade, and acquiring him made Murrell expendable.
>2. Hugh Douglass had just 4 sacks and no production on stopping the run.
This one I have to disagree with you about. He may have only had 4 sacks
last season, but he had 18 sacks in the two prior years to give him 22 sacks
in 28 career starts. That is pretty good. For a team that had trouble
rushing the passer it is odd to give this guy up. He could have been for
the Jets what Charles Haley was for the Cowboys, Fred Dean for the 49ers or
Richard Dent was for the Bears. He has comparable ability with all those
guys. I understand he may not have fit Parcells defensive scheme, but then
they should have waited until the draft to trade him. You can get more than
a #2 for a guy with Douglas' ability, that type of player is rare.
I know you will probably argue that the Jets have several younger players
(Boose, Ogbogu) which they like who need to get playing time. Still, DL
take time to develop, so it is asking a lot for these guys to come in and
make an instant impact. I think the Douglas trade is the one you might end
up looking back at regretfully.
>I never 'bashed any of those players. I simply reported what had been
>said about them by the Jets to give perspective, not the type of CM
>kraft-Grier propaganda.
I got a chuckle out of this. When the Jets say something it is perspective.
When the Pats say something it is propaganda.
Ickybaluky
First of all, I am a Pats fan and love the guy. I would never say anything
bad about him.
Second of all, several Jets fans are belittling Hugh Douglas' ability, so it
happens both ways.
Finally, I agree there is too much of these back and forth attacks between
newsgroups. But it happens both ways. I love talking football and love the
game. If Bob Jensen's versions of things happen (the Pats fall on their
face while the Jets take off), I am not going to jump off a bridge. Being a
Pats fan means knowing what it is like for your team to be down (I am sure
Jets fans can relate).
One thing that does bother me is that Jets fans seem to love to point to
every little thing to show how the Pats are headed in the toilet. I am a
Parcells fan, but he does on occasion make mistakes. Why can't the Pats
make mistakes and still recover? It is particularly annoying to constantly
hear the Pats draft was the worst in NFL history. I just wish the playes
could play before such judgements are made. Perhaps I am a homer, but I see
a lot of good things the Pats do as well as mistakes they might make. They
have done a good job of adding talent to this team and resigning key players
(with the exception of Martin). Nobody is perfect, but I think the Pats are
pretty well off even without the Tuna.
I just want to talk football. Jets, Pats, Saints, Bears --> I don't care.
I love the game.
Psychosis wrote in message ...
>
>
>I just gotta ask this question!!
>
>Why do the Pats fans HATE CM so much, considering he was there best
>running back they've had in ages?
>
>Look at stats, ask experts, ask even fans who don't have special interests
>in the argument (namely jets-pats fans). They'll all tell you that CM is
>a great RB who has planty of years left, and was a great pickup for the
>Jets. Even with the huge contract he got, the Jets have alot more to
>spend, so the money becomes irrelevant.
>
>the only people who'll talk trash about CM are Pats fans. Its funny how
>quickly they turn. Same goes for Parcells. He ecame in a VERY close
>second for coach of the year (to Dungy, probably because he didn't make
>the PO). But according to Pats, he's the worst coach in the league. Even
>though he created the team that gave the Pats their best chance atsome
>rings.
>
>
>You don't see Jets fans talking trash about Murrell, or Graham. NOD yes,
>but that's a different story :) I think Murrell and Graham didn't fit
>into the bug picture for the Jests, but will do well in arizopna and
>philly, respectively. I'll still cheer for em. Pats fans make me sick
>sometimes.
>
Rick Rockett
No one hates CM, and you are correct, he was one of if not the best back the
Pats have ever had. I haven't noticed you in the Pats NG, so maybe you don't
understand what Bob Jensen and a few of his legion have done in it. It seems
Bob took offense to one of our posters intrusion in your NG when BP left NE.
It seems that he has made it his lifes mission to make all Pats fans
experience in the group a miserable one. He constantly belittles and
misrepresents facts having to do with anything Patriot. It has been a non
stop baragement of the Jets stole CM. Cap mismanagement.Tebucky Jones 1st
annual Minute Bol award. Kraft and Grier are the most incompetent Managers
in NFL history. And it just goes on and on. to date he has made 716 posts
into our group and 551 posts into yours, mostly by cross posting.
We welcome any fan who wants to discuss football, and many Jets fans do. We
don't always agree, but it's all good natured and we eventually agree to
disagree. I hope this gives you a little insight as to the defensive nature
of some of our posters.
Psychosis
Actually, I haven't been on this newsgroup in quite a while. As for
people, specifically Jensen, bashing former Jets players, I don't know
what to say. Murrell gave us some flashed of greatness last season, and
played a big part in the turn around from 1-15 to 9-7. Graham was an
average but consistant performer. Douglas struggled last year, but before
the change to 3-4 (I want to clarify this: I am not saying that he would
have played any better or worse had they stayed in the 4-3) he was one of
the top defensive players on the squad. Salary problems, an over stocked
WR corp coupled with the addition of CM, forced all the changes to happen.
I said before, I'll still watch these guys play. Murrell might be a big
surprise in Arizona!! In philly, where Douglas and Graham went, they need
all the help they can get at those positions. Should be fun to watch!!
As fpr NOD: never liked him, never threw more than an 8 yard pass ever
with Pittsburg, showed he'd choke in the big game, and Jet's in there
brilliant "let's buy the whole NFL" offseasona few years ago give him $25
million. I was so pissed!! I knew that the team would never break four
wins without a MAJOR change after that move. That change came with
Parcells, and the NOD legacy is now over (THANK F___IN' GOD!!).
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| The Jerk, Mike "Miz" Misiewicz |
| -STRONGER THAN ALL- |
+--------------------------------+
On 29 Jun 1998, HelzWrath wrote:
> Psychosis <bc0...@binghamton.edu> wrote:
>
> <lots of bashing of Pats fans snipped>
>
> >You don't see Jets fans talking trash about Murrell, or Graham.
>
> You don't? Jester wouldn't shut up for a long time about how Murrell stunk up
> the joint the last 8 games of 1997. I guess you must have missed those posts.
>
> I guess you also missed Jester ripping Hugh Douglas for his lack of production
> in 1997. Maybe you should read more closely from now on.
>
> >NOD yes,
> >but that's a different story :)
>
> Yeah, because Tuna has ripped him publicly, so all the Tuna rump-swabs in here
> feel they have free reign to participate in NOD-bashing as well.
>
> >I think Murrell and Graham didn't fit
> >into the bug picture for the Jests
>
> The bug picture? Yeah, those 2 guys were a bunch of pests, weren't they?
>
> > but will do well in arizopna and
> >philly, respectively. I'll still cheer for em. Pats fans make me sick
> >sometimes.
>
Psychosis
The worst things fans do, not Just us crazy Jets and Pats fans, is to bash
players when they leave a team and come back to town to play. Could you
imagine playing a ton of years for one team, get traded, then come back in
a new uniform and get BOOED? Sucks, man! It also serves to really piss
off a player into playing their guts out to beat the former team. It just
shows you how harsh people are towards our sports atheletes. They deserve
to get paid what they do.
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| The Jerk, Mike "Miz" Misiewicz |
| -STRONGER THAN ALL- |
+--------------------------------+
> >You don't see Jets fans talking trash about Murrell, or Graham. NOD yes,
> >but that's a different story :) I think Murrell and Graham didn't fit
> >into the bug picture for the Jests, but will do well in arizopna and
> >philly, respectively. I'll still cheer for em. Pats fans make me sick
> >sometimes.
> >
> >+--------------------------------+
> >| The Jerk, Mike "Miz" Misiewicz |
> >| -STRONGER THAN ALL- |
> >+--------------------------------+
> >
Jets
Icky, you seem to be a fairly objective poster, so let me ask you a couple
of questions regarding Hugh Douglass. As much as the Jets would have liked
to keep Hugh Douglas, do you think he was a player who warranted 5 mil per
year? Hugh was going to be a FA after this year and was asking for
Stubblefield type money Do you think his demands were reasonable and that
the Jets should have paid it?
I think all Jets fans would have liked to see Hugh remain a Jet, but, I
think he essentially traded himself out of New York.
Ickybaluky <psg...@ibm.net> wrote in article <35984...@news3.ibm.net>...
Ickybaluky
Jets wrote in message <6nb3uh$8...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>As much as the Jets would have liked
>to keep Hugh Douglas, do you think he was a player who warranted 5 mil per
>year? Hugh was going to be a FA after this year and was asking for
>Stubblefield type money Do you think his demands were reasonable and that
>the Jets should have paid it?
Whether or not it was warranted, he would have received it. He is 25 years
old and can get to the QB. People his size who can do that are rare. Look
at the money Bryce Paup received and he is older than dirt. Look at the
insane contract the 49ers gave Gabe Wilkins and he is hurt. Look at the
absolutely insane amount of money the Vikings had to give to John Randle.
Joe Johnson is being offered over $4 mil from the Saints and he is turning
it down. Look at what McGinest received and his career numbers are very
similar to Douglas. If guys like him grew on trees then Chris Doleman and
Kevin Greene wouldn't be playing any more. Douglas is a heck of a talent
and compares favorably with most of these guys.
Whether the Jets should have kept him or not is debatable. They had him for
one more season and could have slapped the franchise tag on him to keep him
another season. Parcells has been hesitant to franchise guys in the past
and he probably wouldn't have been happy about it. I have no trouble with
Parcells getting rid of the guy. One of Parcells strengths is he goes and
gets "his" kind of players (which means they work hard and are coachable).
Parcells knows better than I do whether Douglas fit in or not. However, I
think they should have received more than a second round pick for the guy.
I they had waited until closer to the draft might have been able to get a
first or additional picks in this or future drafts. It seems they pulled
the trigger too early. Philly must have thought very highly of him in order
to give him all that money, right?
In a couple of years it may not matter if some of the Jets young DL develop,
but for this coming season you can't tell me you won't miss this guy.
Ickybaluky
Jets wrote in message <6nb3uh$8...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>Icky, you seem to be a fairly objective poster, so let me ask you a couple
>of questions regarding Hugh Douglass.
Let me ask you a question. One of the troubles when following your own team
is that it is difficult to see things clearly. It is hard to be objective
about any player on your own team, everybody has favorites. On the Pats
some of my favorite players are Ted Johnson, McGinest, Slade, Terry Glenn,
Ty Law and Ben Coates (Curtis Martin was one). When I look at that bunch I
see them all as having Pro Bowl capability, guys with huge upside who are
among the best at their position. Normally it is easier for me to look with
a critical eye at other teams, for there isn't the emotional attachment.
The one team that I can't do that with is the Miami Dolphins.
My question is this: How good are the Dolphins?
While I am a great admirer of Marino, he is on the downside of his career.
He has carried this team on his back the last few years, but it seems he is
less capable of doing so.
Beyond him I see Tim Bowens as being a top guy at his position but little
else. They have a lot of good players like Zack Thomas and O.J. McDuffie,
but neither of those guys are great. Troy Drayton has top-notch ability but
seems to spend more time complaining about not seeing the ball than catching
it (he is no Coates). Where are all the playmakers? Name me a Dolphin
Pro-Bowler. Who the hell on this team will be a sought-after free agent
anytime soon?
Now I freely admit to being a Dolphin-hater my entire life, so I know I am
not the most unbiased person (which is why I ask this question). I readily
admit that Jimmy Johnson can coach, the Dolphins play hard and are very
fundamentally sound. I am sure I will hear all about the young players they
have and the improved running game. But other than Donnelly, where is the
offensive line upgraded? Unless Lawrence Phillips comes through (a big if)
they don't have a premier back. How are they going to run the ball? In
addition they are still very weak at WR. Defensively they are very quick
but undersized. The don't have a great secondary or a premier pass rusher.
They have some quick linebackers but no one great. I just don't see it.
Of Johnson's draft picks there are several who have made some impact, but
none of these players look like world-beaters. The Dolphins first round
picks (Daryl Gardner and Yatil Green) have yet to make a impact. They
traded out of the round this year. I think Johnson is getting too caught up
in trying to be a draft genius. Maybe after I see some of these players
play I will think differently, but for now I can't see Miami being any
better than last season. I think they have a fairly soft schedule (they
play the Pats on 11/23 in NE but after that do not have to go to a cold
weather locale and they play the NFC West without facing SF), so they may go
9-7 or 10-6, but they will not be a serious contender for anything. I could
also see them going 7-9 or 8-8.
Psychosis
I read in a Sporting News article right around the time of the Douglas
trade that there was alittle finger pointing going on between Douglas and
the Linbackers converning tying up blockers and making tackles. If this
was true, and I'm not saying it is, and Parcell's knew about it, that
might have also contributed to his departure (on top of everything else
wev'e been talking about). Last thing the Jets want is to become a team
like the "Bickering Bills". Remember the tension between KJ and WC when
he published the book "Just throw me the damn ball". That type of crap is
a distraction and I think Parcells would be right on top of it if it
occurred.
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On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Ickybaluky wrote:
>
> Jets wrote in message <6nb3uh$8...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
Ickybaluky
Psychosis wrote in message ...
>
>I read in a Sporting News article right around the time of the Douglas
>trade that there was alittle finger pointing going on between Douglas and
>the Linbackers converning tying up blockers and making tackles. If this
>was true, and I'm not saying it is, and Parcell's knew about it, that
>might have also contributed to his departure (on top of everything else
>wev'e been talking about). Last thing the Jets want is to become a team
>like the "Bickering Bills".
Agreed, but sometimes a player is good enough to put up with it. Charles
Haley was a Irritable son-of-a-bitch who got on his teammates nerves in both
SF and Dallas. He also has 5 rings. Of course, Douglas is not Charles
Haley.
Parcells has always understood the importance of character in his players.
While he did put up with a lot of off-field crap with LT, but since then he
has shown he would prefer to bring in players who are not thugs. He did
this with the Pats and has continued this trend with the Jets (Mawae and
Martin are examples).
Philip Benincasa
I think if you examined the bulk of the Pats fan's posts regarding CM this
is what they say. I love CM, the guy was a steal in the third round. He is
a solid citizen and one of the major reasons why the Pats have had success
over the last few years. He is however, not the perfect running back, he
has trouble in short yardage situations because of his size, and last year
he had a major injury which required significant surgery. Those two things
aside, the Jets got themselves probably the third best back in the AFC,
behind Davis and Bettis (he may be debatable). I will not reiterate the
Jensen spew that we had to put up with for the last couple of monthes
regarding this.
On a side note, I always was impressed with Murrell. I thought he was one
of the most under-appreciated backs in football. He rushed for over 1000
yards on a team that needed to completely retool its offensive line in the
off-season to focus on run-blocking. One of the points brought up was, with
the new offensive line and change in philosophy, could AM have rushed for
1300 or 1350 yards and if so and if CM rushes for 1500 yards next year, was
his signing in RFA really worth all of the money and pics? There are two big
ifs in the question, but I think that it is a legitimate question. As a
pats fan, I was hoping the Jets would release AM and the Pats would get him
as a FA. That would have been fun.
Phil Benincasa
Psychosis wrote in message ...
>
>
>I just gotta ask this question!!
>
>Why do the Pats fans HATE CM so much, considering he was there best
>running back they've had in ages?
>
>Look at stats, ask experts, ask even fans who don't have special interests
>in the argument (namely jets-pats fans). They'll all tell you that CM is
>a great RB who has planty of years left, and was a great pickup for the
>Jets. Even with the huge contract he got, the Jets have alot more to
>spend, so the money becomes irrelevant.
>
>the only people who'll talk trash about CM are Pats fans. Its funny how
>quickly they turn. Same goes for Parcells. He ecame in a VERY close
>second for coach of the year (to Dungy, probably because he didn't make
>the PO). But according to Pats, he's the worst coach in the league. Even
>though he created the team that gave the Pats their best chance atsome
>rings.
>
>
>You don't see Jets fans talking trash about Murrell, or Graham. NOD yes,
>but that's a different story :) I think Murrell and Graham didn't fit
>into the bug picture for the Jests, but will do well in arizopna and
>philly, respectively. I'll still cheer for em. Pats fans make me sick
>sometimes.
>
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DC5
Douglas was no more than a situational pass rusher, an extremely good one at
times. His major drawback was that run blockers blew right passed him forcing the
linebackers and, worse, secondary to make more tackles than you want on running
plays. I guess Bill wants an everydown all-purpose DE. If the Screaming Eagles
use him right we'll be able to hear Huuuuuugh all the way up I-95 from the Vet.
If I were Kanel, I'd watch my ass.
Dave C.
Psychosis wrote:
> I read in a Sporting News article right around the time of the Douglas
> trade that there was alittle finger pointing going on between Douglas and
> the Linbackers converning tying up blockers and making tackles. If this
> was true, and I'm not saying it is, and Parcell's knew about it, that
> might have also contributed to his departure (on top of everything else
> wev'e been talking about). Last thing the Jets want is to become a team
> like the "Bickering Bills". Remember the tension between KJ and WC when
> he published the book "Just throw me the damn ball". That type of crap is
> a distraction and I think Parcells would be right on top of it if it
> occurred.
>
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> | -STRONGER THAN ALL- |
> +--------------------------------+
>
HelzWrath
"Philip Benincasa" <pbe...@earhlink.net> wrote:
<snip>
>the Jets got themselves probably the third best back in the AFC,
>behind Davis and Bettis (he may be debatable).
<snip>
Eddie Geaorge is also better than Martin IMO. People never mention this guy
when discussing the top RBs. Just look at his numbers the past 2 years and then
take into consideration that he has an average O-line in front of him and
almost a zero passing game to help keep defenses honest. Of course, this will
be construed as sour grapes by all you Tuna-toadies.
Psychosis
I know that Murrells' contract was nowhere near what Martin is going to
make. Does anybody remember how much he was getting paid with the Jets?
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Ickybaluky
$1.9M I believe. I think he had 2 years left at $1.9M/per at the time of
the trade. I know he made $1.6M last season (it was in USA today).
Psychosis wrote in message ...
>
Philip Benincasa
I am a huge Eddie George Fan, and would agree he is the complete package.
So Curtis drops to number 4, still a pretty nice pick up. I still stand by
the statement that he is not a complete package because he trouble getting
the tough yard.
Phil Benincasa
HelzWrath wrote in message
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>"Philip Benincasa" <pbe...@earhlink.net> wrote:
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><snip>
>
>>the Jets got themselves probably the third best back in the AFC,
>>behind Davis and Bettis (he may be debatable).
>
Allan Hee
In 1996, Murrell signed a 4 year $6 million contract just before draft
day.
Allan
On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Psychosis wrote:
>
> I know that Murrells' contract was nowhere near what Martin is going to
> make. Does anybody remember how much he was getting paid with the Jets?
>
John Dimtsios
$6.1 M over four years if I remember correctly.
Go Jets,
John Dimtsios
Psychosis <bc0...@binghamton.edu> wrote in article
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>
> I know that Murrells' contract was nowhere near what Martin is going to
> make. Does anybody remember how much he was getting paid with the Jets?
>
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Gerry Krupka
Ickybaluky wrote:
>
>
> My question is this: How good are the Dolphins?
>
>
much deleted but a pretty good assessment. I like to look at it
the light you spoke.
NFC West - could go 3-1, maybe 2-2
AFC East - could go 4-4 or 5-3
2-2 against the other AFC teams.
Sounds like worst case 8-8; best case 10-6.
Potential playoff team; not a significant SB threat.
--
Gerry Krupka
zo...@lucent.com
Psychosis
I can't see how the Miami dolphins will finish better than 8-8!
Get romped on by the Pats 0-2
At most, splt with Bills and Jets 2-2
Probably beat dolts twice 2-0
agree with AFC, although I don't have any idea who they play 2-2
NFC west? Here's where I beg to differ.
Again, don't know who they play, so go through all of them
SF loss
Carolina loss (addition of greene and the other returningLB beats Miamis
offense)
NO win
LA RAMs toss up
Atlants LOSS since NOD will be at the helm :)
that gives them 8-8 around, and that is being real optimistic.
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Robert A Jensen
Psychosis wrote:
>
> I can't see how the Miami dolphins will finish better than 8-8!
>
> Get romped on by the Pats 0-2
> At most, splt with Bills and Jets 2-2
> Probably beat dolts twice 2-0
> agree with AFC, although I don't have any idea who they play 2-2
> NFC west? Here's where I beg to differ.
> Again, don't know who they play, so go through all of them
>
> SF loss
>
NFC West teams.
Bob Jensen