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Lubow
Jun 19, 2013, 1:05:30 AM6/19/13
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I rarely watch the NBA on the tube but even the NBA beats The Voice for
one's attention span.
I don't purport to know much about basketball but so I need to ask:
Have the rules changed that when a player is driving from the top of the key
dribbling is optional?
one's attention span.
I don't purport to know much about basketball but so I need to ask:
Have the rules changed that when a player is driving from the top of the key
dribbling is optional?
Tom Benton
Jun 19, 2013, 6:33:21 AM6/19/13
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On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:05:30 -0400, "Lubow" <dynami...@hotmail.com>
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That is one of the reasons I stopped watching the NBA years ago.
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polymod
Jun 19, 2013, 11:41:38 AM6/19/13
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gotten out of hand.
Poly
Minnesota Fats
Jun 19, 2013, 2:16:16 PM6/19/13
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If you saw last night's game, that call on Ginobili in the OT was ridiculous. I counted about three or four steps he took en route to the basket, but no traveling call. (Ironically, Miami caught a huge break because he was called for a charging foul, sending Ray Allen to the line for two shots. Those two points ultimately became the game-winner.)
Tom Benton
Jun 19, 2013, 6:33:48 PM6/19/13
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On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:41:38 -0400, "polymod" <pol...@optonline.net>
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I can't remember who it was but I saw one of the stars take his last
step at mid-court and then went in for a dunk. I turned the game off
and haven't seen another one since.
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step at mid-court and then went in for a dunk. I turned the game off
and haven't seen another one since.
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Lubow
Jun 19, 2013, 7:00:24 PM6/19/13
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"Minnesota Fats" <ber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Have the rules changed that when a player is driving from the top of the
> key
>
> dribbling is optional?
You're right--the traveling call has become a thing of the past. Over the
years, the refs have pretty much allowed that one extra step in the paint.
If you saw last night's game, that call on Ginobili in the OT was
ridiculous. I counted about three or four steps he took en route to the
basket, but no traveling call. (Ironically, Miami caught a huge break
because he was called for a charging foul, sending Ray Allen to the line for
two shots. Those two points ultimately became the game-winner.)
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> key
>
> dribbling is optional?
You're right--the traveling call has become a thing of the past. Over the
years, the refs have pretty much allowed that one extra step in the paint.
If you saw last night's game, that call on Ginobili in the OT was
ridiculous. I counted about three or four steps he took en route to the
basket, but no traveling call. (Ironically, Miami caught a huge break
because he was called for a charging foul, sending Ray Allen to the line for
two shots. Those two points ultimately became the game-winner.)
I submit -- and I know next to nothing about this circus -- the game winner
was SA blowing a ten point lead going into the 4th by attempting
unsuccessful 3 point shots one after the other. At the same time Miami took
its time and worked the ball in for dunks. Even if Lebron James was warming
the bench, Miami would still win because they played as a team and not as a
group of individuals wearing the same wife-beaters and shorts. I mean why
could the SA coach tell his millionaires that despite their salaries, it's
still a team sport?
Minnesota Fats
Jun 20, 2013, 12:21:37 PM6/20/13
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The three-point shot has changed the face of the game, and not for the better, but that's another discussion for another time.
Lubow
Jun 20, 2013, 4:49:45 PM6/20/13
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> If you've been following the Miami-SA series, in the three games Miami has
> lost we've seen the same pattern--a dependence on the three-point shot,
> and when those shots don't ?> go in, they struggle with four guys hanging
what I see. What I saw were SA players working their way to the hoop for a
dunk or for an offensive rebound but at the same time, the guy with ball
negates all that setup work with an improbable shot from downtown, misses
and Miami scores another two points.
This is very similar to our discussion about the Green Bay defensive backs
when the Giants beat the Packers last year at Lambeau. With a couple of
seconds remaining in the half, Eli threw a hail mary to Nicks in the corner
of the end zone surrounded by Packers' DBs. Instead of just spiking the
ball and walking off to the locker room, the Packers were looking for an
interception and Nicks beat 'em. Just like the San Antonio guy looking to
have his agent brag at contract time about all the 3 pointers his client
picked up in the finals, the Packers were more interested in their own stats
as opposed to winning the game.
Different game, same attitude.
> If you've been following the Miami-SA series, in the three games Miami has
> lost we've seen the same pattern--a dependence on the three-point shot,
> around waiting for LeBron to make something happen.
> The three-point shot has changed the face of the game, and not for the
> better, but that's another discussion for another time.
Just to reiterate. My cat knows more about the NBA than I do. I just know
> The three-point shot has changed the face of the game, and not for the
> better, but that's another discussion for another time.
what I see. What I saw were SA players working their way to the hoop for a
dunk or for an offensive rebound but at the same time, the guy with ball
negates all that setup work with an improbable shot from downtown, misses
and Miami scores another two points.
This is very similar to our discussion about the Green Bay defensive backs
when the Giants beat the Packers last year at Lambeau. With a couple of
seconds remaining in the half, Eli threw a hail mary to Nicks in the corner
of the end zone surrounded by Packers' DBs. Instead of just spiking the
ball and walking off to the locker room, the Packers were looking for an
interception and Nicks beat 'em. Just like the San Antonio guy looking to
have his agent brag at contract time about all the 3 pointers his client
picked up in the finals, the Packers were more interested in their own stats
as opposed to winning the game.
Different game, same attitude.
DoctorElefant
Jun 23, 2013, 7:23:23 PM6/23/13
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DocE
"The future ain't what it used to be." -Yogi Berra
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Tom Benton
Jun 24, 2013, 7:04:48 AM6/24/13
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into a guy and always get the call. How can you defend a guy if he
can push you off him and get the call, too. About 10 minutes of that
was all I could handle.
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Minnesota Fats
Jun 24, 2013, 6:38:49 PM6/24/13
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Lubow
Jun 24, 2013, 7:24:19 PM6/24/13
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But seriously, what I most remember about those teams were:
(1) Red Holtzman was CCNY guy and a disciple of the venerable Nat Holman and
Holman played for the Original Celtics. Can't get more NY royalty than
that. Some basketball historians have claimed that the success enjoyed by
Phil Jackson extended the Holman bloodline to the next generation.
(2) The expression, "Yes! And it counts!" became a part of the basketball
play by play vernacular.
>
> You can say that again. I'd also add that they call a lot less of the
> fouls that are perpetrated by guys who are away from the ball. This is not
> the same game as the one once played by Reed, Frazier, Bradley,
> DeBusschere, and that bunch. There's no comparison.
I just remember Hawthorne Wingo. (j/k)
> You can say that again. I'd also add that they call a lot less of the
> fouls that are perpetrated by guys who are away from the ball. This is not
> the same game as the one once played by Reed, Frazier, Bradley,
> DeBusschere, and that bunch. There's no comparison.
But seriously, what I most remember about those teams were:
(1) Red Holtzman was CCNY guy and a disciple of the venerable Nat Holman and
Holman played for the Original Celtics. Can't get more NY royalty than
that. Some basketball historians have claimed that the success enjoyed by
Phil Jackson extended the Holman bloodline to the next generation.
(2) The expression, "Yes! And it counts!" became a part of the basketball
play by play vernacular.
Minnesota Fats
Jun 25, 2013, 7:02:37 PM6/25/13
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On Monday, June 24, 2013 6:24:19 PM UTC-5, Lubow wrote:
> "Minnesota Fats" <ber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:29a6756a-21b7-452a...@googlegroups.com...
>
> >
>
> > You can say that again. I'd also add that they call a lot less of the
>
> > fouls that are perpetrated by guys who are away from the ball. This is not
>
> > the same game as the one once played by Reed, Frazier, Bradley,
>
> > DeBusschere, and that bunch. There's no comparison.
>
>
>
> I just remember Hawthorne Wingo. (j/k)
>
>
>
> But seriously, what I most remember about those teams were:
>
>
>
> (1) Red Holtzman was CCNY guy and a disciple of the venerable Nat Holman and
>
> Holman played for the Original Celtics. Can't get more NY royalty than
>
> that. Some basketball historians have claimed that the success enjoyed by
>
> Phil Jackson extended the Holman bloodline to the next generation.
>
>
>
> (2) The expression, "Yes! And it counts!" became a part of the basketball
>
> play by play vernacular.
At the risk of dating myself, I was a freshman at CCNY in 1950 when they were the only team to win the NIT and NCAA. That euphoria didn't last very long, however, because one year later they were rocked by the point-having scandal, which also involved NYU and LIU.
> "Minnesota Fats" <ber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:29a6756a-21b7-452a...@googlegroups.com...
>
> >
>
> > You can say that again. I'd also add that they call a lot less of the
>
> > fouls that are perpetrated by guys who are away from the ball. This is not
>
> > the same game as the one once played by Reed, Frazier, Bradley,
>
> > DeBusschere, and that bunch. There's no comparison.
>
>
>
> I just remember Hawthorne Wingo. (j/k)
>
>
>
> But seriously, what I most remember about those teams were:
>
>
>
> (1) Red Holtzman was CCNY guy and a disciple of the venerable Nat Holman and
>
> Holman played for the Original Celtics. Can't get more NY royalty than
>
> that. Some basketball historians have claimed that the success enjoyed by
>
> Phil Jackson extended the Holman bloodline to the next generation.
>
>
>
> (2) The expression, "Yes! And it counts!" became a part of the basketball
>
> play by play vernacular.
"Yes! And it counts!" became the signature call for Marv Albert. He borrowed liberally from Marty Glickman's style who used "Swis-s-s-h". Some years earlier, when Nedick's--as in the orange drink of the same name--was a sponsor of the MSG basketball games, Glickman would say "Good, like Nedick's!" Glickman is best remembered for doing the Giant games, but he was also excellent in basketball and hockey. He was truly a sportscasting pioneer.
Not sure about ex-Knick Phil Jackson as a latter-day Nat Holman, but he was certainly one of the smartest coaches ever. Well---he was smart enough to have Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant on his teams. :)
DoctorElefant
Jun 29, 2013, 1:39:05 AM6/29/13
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DoctorElefant
Jun 29, 2013, 1:49:19 AM6/29/13
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On Monday, June 24, 2013 5:38:49 PM UTC-5, Minnesota Fats wrote:
> You omitted Dick Barnett and Earl Monroe, but no problemo. The mere mention of those names evokes very fond memories of NY basketball.
Oh sure, I could've typed a whole bunch of names from the early 70s. Cazzie Russell. Jerry Lucas. Dean "The Dream" Meminger. Remember Riordan and Stallworth? "The Minute Men." They were traded away in exchange for Earl "The Pearl" Monroe. ;) Yeah, it was a fun time to be a Knicks fan.
> You omitted Dick Barnett and Earl Monroe, but no problemo. The mere mention of those names evokes very fond memories of NY basketball.
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