Drew's best games as a Patriot
Chris
wanted to start a list of Drew's greatest games as a Patriot.
Hopefully, years from now the list won't be longer for the Bills.
1. Minnesota 1994. Aside from the record-setting stats and a great
comeback, this win came on the heels of a 4-game skid. This win
catapulted the team from 3-6 to 10-6.
2. Indy 1999. Down 21-0 and 28-7, Bledsoe leads the comeback for a
31-28 win.
3. @Miami 1994. Sure they lost 39-35, but if you could ever point to
a game where Drew seemed to be the only one to show up, this was the
game. Classic shootout with Dan Marino in which the lead went back
and forth. Ben Coates fumbling after a long completion sealed their
fate, or else the Pats may have pulled this one out.
4. Miami 1998. The winning drive: Not one, but two fourth-down
conversion tosses to Shawn Jefferson, followed by the TD to Jefferson
with a blitzer in his face...all with a freshly-broken finger on his
throwing hand. Maybe Drew's best game-winning drive in his career.
5. @Giants 1996. After a horrible first half and down 22-0, Drew
leads the comeback for a 23-22 win to clinch the #2 seed in the
playoffs. The highlights were the 3rd-down catch by Troy Brown while
laying on his back on the winning drive and the 4th-and-8 TD toss to
Coates for the win.
6. Buffalo 1998. For the second week in a row, Drew's final drive
led the team to victory. A crucial, albeit controversal, 4th down
conversion to Shawn Jefferson set up the game-winning sequence: Toss
to Glenn in the endzone with no time left - PASS INTERFERENCE - Pats
get one play from the 1 yard line - Bledsoe to Coates TD!
7. @Jacksonville 1997. Against a team that was undefeated at home
and a Superbowl favorite at the time, Drew led the team the length of
the field right before halftime, culminating in a TD to Coates that
effectively put the game away. Excellent performance in a big game
setting.
8. @Buffalo 1994. Drew led the way to a 41-17 pasting of the
defending 4-time AFC champion Bills, sparing them (and anyone who
watches them) another painful Bills postseason. Drew appeared to
convert every single 3rd down that day.
9. @Pittsburgh 1998. This one stands out for me because I watched it
at a bar with way too many Steelers fans. I've never seen a crowd
silenced faster than when Drew, with a blitz in his face, broken
finger and all, tossed an 89 yard TD bomb to Glenn. Might be the best
"Take that!" play of his career in enemy territory.
10. Buffalo 1994. On the heels of the 39-35 loss at Miami, the Pats
opened the season 0-2 with a 38-35 loss to the Bills, but as was the
case the week before, Drew seemed like the only guy to show up. He
was a one-man show.
11. @KC 1999. Here's a game where a great final 5 minutes by Drew was
undone by a shanked kick. Down 9 with 5 minutes to go and having
played like crap all game, Bledsoe executes a sharp drive and gets the
needed TD. The defense then holds KC and forces a punt. Drew then
drives the field and puts the Pats in position to win with a 32 yard
FG. Vinatieri hits the upright. If the kick is one foot to the
right, chalk up another great Bledsoe comeback on his resume.
12. Green Bay 1994. Down 14-10 late, Green Bay scores a TD to take a
late lead, but misses the extra point. Drew responds by driving the
team down the field for the game-winning FG.
Because the competition was weak, I've deliberately left out some
otherwise noteworthy games (e.g. San Diego and @Indy to open the 1997
season - otherwise known as "8 TDs to 8 different receivers") I've
also left out games that I didn't see myself (e.g. Indy 1993, Miami
1993, Miami 1996, @San Diego 1996, @Baltimore 1996, @Denver 2000).
I'm sure I've missed some that deserve mention. Feel free to add to
the list and comment on the games I listed.
Regards,
Chris
Rokkco11
>the list and comment on the games I listed.
>
How about Tampa Bay 2000, Belichick's first game as head coach of the Pats.
Down 21-16 with seconds left, ball on the Tampa 22, 4th down, the great long
ball thrower that Bledsoe is he throws it out of bounds in the end zone. What a
great move by an 8 year veteran QB, I can see why the coaches loved him. Hey,
he had to play it safe right? I mean we wouldn't want to mess up those stats
with a nasty interception would we? Hard to replace a player like that.
earne...@hotmail.com
wrote:
>In memory of a guy who gave us great memories for several years, I
>wanted to start a list of Drew's greatest games as a Patriot.
>Hopefully, years from now the list won't be longer for the Bills.
>
>1. Minnesota 1994. Aside from the record-setting stats and a great
>comeback, this win came on the heels of a 4-game skid. This win
>catapulted the team from 3-6 to 10-6.
>
second half was awesome
>3. @Miami 1994. Sure they lost 39-35, but if you could ever point to
>a game where Drew seemed to be the only one to show up, this was the
>game. Classic shootout with Dan Marino in which the lead went back
>and forth. Ben Coates fumbling after a long completion sealed their
>fate, or else the Pats may have pulled this one out.
didn't he throw 2 ints that went for tds in this game? just going by
memory so i could be wrong.
Who, me?
> 11. @KC 1999. Here's a game where a great final 5 minutes by Drew was
> undone by a shanked kick. Down 9 with 5 minutes to go and having
> played like crap all game, Bledsoe executes a sharp drive and gets the
> needed TD. The defense then holds KC and forces a punt. Drew then
> drives the field and puts the Pats in position to win with a 32 yard
> FG. Vinatieri hits the upright. If the kick is one foot to the
> right, chalk up another great Bledsoe comeback on his resume.
Is this one of the two kicks that might have saved Pete Carrol's job?
If so, well, I'm kinda glad Adam missed....
Dave
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Horsemen
It's losers like you that will be all over Brady when he loses his first 3
games next season and suffers 2nd year slump..
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Jim vh
rokk...@aol.com says...
you freeping idiot. how about a tampa bay team with
putting on jailbreak pass rushes on every passing play.
i will never forget warren sapp at DT pushing jason
anderson around like a blocking sled. a high school
blocking sled. anderson couldn't even hardly slow him
down.
bledsoe went 26-39=216 yards with 1 TD 0 INT and running
for 30 of the teams 85 yards rushing. what's wrong with
that?
--
Jim vh
Flying Elvis
As Kent says, it's all about the laundry. It kills me to see Bledsoe butt
buddies hoping for the Patriots to fail. Go root for the Bills and kiss my
ass.
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Flying Elvis
idea.
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Mark Edwards
post does he imply that he's "hoping for the Patriots to fail". He's just
insulting Rokkco11 and implying that Rocko11 is a fickle fan. Also, I do agree
with Horsemen's first sentence re:Rokkco11. ;-)
But the real reason I'm replying is that I think you've learned the wrong
lessons from Martin's and now Bledsoe's departure. Kent's wrong, it's not just
about the laundry. I don't see the crime in still liking Curtis Martin or Drew
Bledsoe. Best of luck to them, they were special players here in New England
and I hope they continue to be so for their current teams (which both suck btw).
I know that Kent rambles on and on and lords over this newsgroup attempting
to spread his views like the plague, but we must maintain eternal vigilance that
his narrowminded dogma doesn't spread! ;-)
Mark
Flying Elvis wrote:
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>a game where Drew seemed to be the only one to show up, this was the
>game. Classic shootout with Dan Marino in which the lead went back
>and forth. Ben Coates fumbling after a long completion sealed their
>fate, or else the Pats may have pulled this one out.
>
>4. Miami 1998. The winning drive: Not one, but two fourth-down
>conversion tosses to Shawn Jefferson, followed by the TD to Jefferson
>with a blitzer in his face...all with a freshly-broken finger on his
>throwing hand. Maybe Drew's best game-winning drive in his career.
>Regards,
>Chris
I'll always remember Drew best for those Marino-Miami shootouts. I loved those
games. Hated JJ.
-philw (nice list)
FlyingElvis
were, "when he loses his first 3 games next season and suffers 2nd year
slump." I may be reading between the lines, but I see some hope for failure
in that prediction.
BTW, I never said that I dislike Curtis Martin or Drew Bledsoe. But I don't
and won't root for them unless it would somehow benefit the Patriots. The
most important thing to me is to see the Patriots win. I enjoy watching Ty
Law, Tom Brady, Troy Brown, Lawyer Milloy, Teddy Bruschi, etc. I am fans of
theirs. But once they take off the flying elvis helmet and put another one
on, they're just another player to me. And if they put on another helmet
that has a division rival's logo on it, then they become the enemy.
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Chris
>
> >3. @Miami 1994. Sure they lost 39-35, but if you could ever point to
> >a game where Drew seemed to be the only one to show up, this was the
> >game. Classic shootout with Dan Marino in which the lead went back
> >and forth. Ben Coates fumbling after a long completion sealed their
> >fate, or else the Pats may have pulled this one out.
>
> didn't he throw 2 ints that went for tds in this game? just going by
> memory so i could be wrong.
I do remember him throwing some INTs, but I'm not sure if they went
for TDs. Aside from this being Bledsoe's coming out party, this game
was also Ben Coates' coming out party. He had something like 10
catches for over 100 yards. I also remember Fryar toasting the Pats'
D in the second half.
Regards,
Chris
Chris
Hi Rokkco11,
A Google search will clearly show where I stand on the whole
Bledsoe/Brady issue (to save you time: Brady). However, I wrote this
piece as kind of a "Bledsoe's Patriots Career Eulogy" since his career
is done in Foxboro. One can still acknowledge Drew has provided his
share of good times in New England while still believing that it's
best that he move on. It's not necessary to always trash the guy,
especially when his career here is "dead". Remember the good times,
too - there were a lot of them.
Regards,
Chris
Mark Edwards
> He didn't use the word "hope" but he did predict their failure. His words
> were, "when he loses his first 3 games next season and suffers 2nd year
> slump." I may be reading between the lines, but I see some hope for failure
> in that prediction.
I think you are inferring here. I think he simply stated that when Brady
does slump, Rockko11 will be the type of guy to quickly jump off the bandwagon.
Heck I'd even venture to say that it's not predicting. Sooner or later TB will
slump, some folks will stick by him, others won't.
> BTW, I never said that I dislike Curtis Martin or Drew Bledsoe. But I don't
> and won't root for them unless it would somehow benefit the Patriots. The
> most important thing to me is to see the Patriots win. I enjoy watching Ty
> Law, Tom Brady, Troy Brown, Lawyer Milloy, Teddy Bruschi, etc. I am fans of
> theirs. But once they take off the flying elvis helmet and put another one
> on, they're just another player to me. And if they put on another helmet
> that has a division rival's logo on it, then they become the enemy.
I still root for CM and I'll do the same for DB. It's always a pleasure to
watch Curtis run with the ball, he's an excellent running back. And I'll root
for Drew to throw for 4 TDs and 300+ yards against the Pats, just as long as Tom
Brady throws for 5 TDs! ;-)
I refuse to play the role of tunnel vision fan. These guys are men just
like us. Some of them are admirable, others aren't. If the Pats had a roster
full of assholes I'd have a problem rooting for them. I definitely don't cheer
for them simply because of the jersey they wear.
Mark
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It's funny how these things work out. In hindsight, I have no complaints, either.
Regards,
Chris
Mark Edwards
> Hi Rokkco11,
>
> A Google search will clearly show where I stand on the whole
> Bledsoe/Brady issue (to save you time: Brady). However, I wrote this
> piece as kind of a "Bledsoe's Patriots Career Eulogy" since his career
> is done in Foxboro. One can still acknowledge Drew has provided his
> share of good times in New England while still believing that it's
> best that he move on. It's not necessary to always trash the guy,
> especially when his career here is "dead". Remember the good times,
> too - there were a lot of them.
Roccko11 is the kind of guy who will take Brady's performance against Denver as an indication of
his career. His anti-Bledsoe bias makes him irrational.
Chris
> How do you remember all that? I am getting old.
>
I can remember stupid crap like the Saints getting two long TDs in a
span of a minute or so in their 31-17 victory in Foxboro in '95, but I
can't remember my wife's birthday. Go figure.
Regards,
Chris
Mark Edwards
Mark Edwards wrote:
> <snip>... If the Pats had a roster full of assholes I'd have a problem rooting
> for them... <snip>
Reading what I wrote it occurs to me how unapplicable that is to the Patriots
2001 squad. I can't think of a team that has been more likable.
KMTHALER
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> While I don't agree with Horsemen about "...built CMGI...", nowhere in
that
> post does he imply that he's "hoping for the Patriots to fail". He's just
> insulting Rokkco11 and implying that Rocko11 is a fickle fan. Also, I do
agree
> with Horsemen's first sentence re:Rokkco11. ;-)
>
> But the real reason I'm replying is that I think you've learned the
wrong
> lessons from Martin's and now Bledsoe's departure. Kent's wrong, it's not
just
> about the laundry. I don't see the crime in still liking Curtis Martin or
Drew
> Bledsoe. Best of luck to them, they were special players here in New
England
> and I hope they continue to be so for their current teams (which both suck
btw).
>
> I know that Kent rambles on and on and lords over this newsgroup
attempting
> to spread his views like the plague, but we must maintain eternal
vigilance that
> his narrowminded dogma doesn't spread! ;-)
>
- Mark...Buddy...you are wrong. It is about the laundry. you are not out
there buying the Drew Bledsoe career retrospective video. You are however out
there buying the Patriots march to teh SB video....It is all about the laundry.
If it isn't then there is no fun in being a fan of a team. You can have an
affinity for a player...but if his team is playing your team you route for him
to fail.
In my case...Bledsoe is now a Bill. A traiterous fiend who plays for an enemy.
Not enough bad things can come of him. I can give you a list of his
weaknesses and how to exploit them. Of course when his career is over I hope
the Patriots recognize his accomplishments while he was here...but until that
day...I hope Lawyer Milloy intimidates the hell out of him. i hope next year
the Bledsoe led Bills go 0-16. I want him to have no sucess outside of a Pats
uniform. He is the enemy.
As for his best game as a Pat. Minnesota 1994.
One last thing...Mark...no need to counter my religious crusade that this is
all about the laundry...I have already won. :-P
Kent Thaler
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<<
I refuse to play the role of tunnel vision fan. These guys are men just
like us. Some of them are admirable, others aren't. If the Pats had a roster
full of assholes I'd have a problem rooting for them. I definitely don't cheer
for them simply because of the jersey they wear.>>
Sure you do. You do not know any of these guys personally. You certainly
could not tell me if the Kansas City Chiefs had better guys on their team than
the Pats...so you route for the Pats and the players who play for them. If you
develop an affinity for a player you continue to wish them well after they
leave but as you said...Bledsoe can throw for 4 TD's against the Pats as long
as Brady throws for 5. Meaning you want your laundry to do well. All you do
is temper your disdain when players leave through the mercenary process of free
agency. Its a bit PC for my taste. I miss the good old days of hating your
rivals and all the players who play for them.
Mystral
Bledsoe Basher.
MM.
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: >Feel free to add to
bradtor
wrote:
I agree. You provided an excellent overview of Bledsoe's highlights as
a New England Patriot. He had some stellar games, no question about
it. I remember that game against Marino and the Dolphins, the one that
went back and forth right till the end, like it was yesterday. The was
a classic quarterback duel.
Mark Edwards
> - Mark...Buddy...you are wrong. <snip>
Moi? Wrong? Surely you jest? The only part of your post I agree with is that
I want to see the Bills go 0-16. Wouldn't that be sweet!!! I love getting extra
draft picks and I hate giving them up. It still burns me that the Pats gave up a
#1 for Belichik when they could've gotten him for free 2 years earlier. Damn!
Mark
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Moi? Wrong? Surely you jest? The only part of your post I agree with is
that
I want to see the Bills go 0-16. Wouldn't that be sweet!!! I love getting
extra
draft picks and I hate giving them up. It still burns me that the Pats gave up
a
#1 for Belichik when they could've gotten him for free 2 years earlier. Damn!
Mark>>
Yes Tu...Tu est wrong. As evidenced by the fact that you agree with me and
want the Bills to go 0-16 becasue "I love getting extra draft picks". Meaning
you identify yourself as a Patriots fan.
Mark...you know I love you...but i am totally right about this whole laundry
thing.
Mark Edwards
> Yes Tu...Tu est wrong. As evidenced by the fact that you agree with me and
> want the Bills to go 0-16 becasue "I love getting extra draft picks". Meaning
> you identify yourself as a Patriots fan.
>
Mi lapiz esta amarillo! Which roughly translates to...Kent's so full of wrong
here his eyes are bulged and bloodshot from holding all the wrongness in for so
long!
> Mark...you know I love you...but i am totally right about this whole laundry
> thing.
Oh sure, and your next words will be "and now young Skywalker you _will_
die!". Well guess what, I'll never surrender! And thus I'll close with a quote
from Khan, "From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last
breath at thee."
Mark
P.S. I don't know how badly Khan mangled Captain Ahab so I credited Kahn.
KMTHALER
> Mi lapiz esta amarillo! Which roughly translates to...Kent's so full
>of wrong
>here his eyes are bulged and bloodshot from holding all the wrongness in
>for so
>long!
>
>> Mark...you know I love you...but i am totally right about this whole laundry
>> thing.
>
> Oh sure, and your next words will be "and now young Skywalker you _will_
>die!". Well guess what, I'll never surrender! And thus I'll close with
>a quote
>from Khan, "From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my
>last
>breath at thee."
>
> Mark
>
>P.S. I don't know how badly Khan mangled Captain Ahab so I credited Kahn.
- How did I become the bad guy...just because you are a hypocrit? Well it
matters not...call names all you want I am right and i leave you with a bit of
Shaekespeare:
Et Tu Brutas?
Rokkco11
>for 30 of the teams 85 yards rushing. what's wrong with
>that?
>
Jim you ignorant stooge, maybe he was so worried about messing up those stats
that he didn't give the team a chance to win. Why would your hero, an 8 year
veteran, throw the ball out of bounds on his teams last chance to win?
Rokkco11
>post does he imply that he's "hoping for the Patriots to fail". He's just
>insulting Rokkco11 and implying that Rocko11 is a fickle fan. Also, I do
>agree
>with Horsemen's first sentence re:Rokkco11. ;-)
>
This is pretty ironic, the Bledsoe worshippers calling me a fickle fan when
they have spent the past week ripping the best coach we have ever had. The guy
has worked harder in his 2 years here than Bledsoe did in all his 9 put
together to bring us a championship and already these people have turned on him
in favor of a guy who only did as much as he had to, never more.
PhilW1776
>This is pretty ironic, the Bledsoe worshippers calling me a fickle fan when
>they have spent the past week ripping the best coach we have ever had. The
>guy
>has worked harder in his 2 years here than Bledsoe did in all his 9 put
>together to bring us a championship and already these people have turned on
>him
>in favor of a guy who only did as much as he had to, never more.
Thru 2000, Drew was a fine game day contributor and record smashing Pats QB.
The tragedy of our here was that he failed to improve much after his early
years. Not in W-L because of worse teams but in personal capabilities. His
natural talents and good conditioning habits enabled him to succeed but not to
become great. What he consistently failed to do was make substantial off
season effoprts to work on the weaker parts of his game. No off season weeks
spent with WRs & stuff. He made personal choices. And those choices led to
the current situation. A talented, once great with good years left, with a
penchant for making game critical decisions badly who will only win a SB ring
if surrounded with a stellar supporting cast.
And it IS amazing all the crap that gets slung at the HC/GM who has worked FAR
harder than Bledsoe and (surprise!) delivered us fans far more.
-philw
skin2skin
> FlyingElvis wrote:
>
> > He didn't use the word "hope" but he did predict their failure. His
words
> > were, "when he loses his first 3 games next season and suffers 2nd year
> > slump." I may be reading between the lines, but I see some hope for
failure
> > in that prediction.
>
> I think you are inferring here. I think he simply stated that when
Brady
> does slump, Rockko11 will be the type of guy to quickly jump off the
bandwagon.
> Heck I'd even venture to say that it's not predicting. Sooner or later TB
will
> slump, some folks will stick by him, others won't.
How about the ones that aren't sticking by him now, even after he helped win
the Super Bowl. Those are the worst fans.
Rokkco11
>
Even an unstable little man like you should know that Drew can't do anything by
himself, he needs an All Pro team around him to even win a game. Do you get
goofy like this alot Horsehead?
Rokkco11
>FAR
>harder than Bledsoe and (surprise!) delivered us fans far more.
>
> -philw
>
Well it's good to know that there are fans who realize that .
Rokkco11
>Bledsoe/Brady issue (to save you time: Brady). However, I wrote this
>piece as kind of a "Bledsoe's Patriots Career Eulogy" since his career
>is done in Foxboro. One can still acknowledge Drew has provided his
>share of good times in New England while still believing that it's
>best that he move on. It's not necessary to always trash the guy,
>especially when his career here is "dead". Remember the good times,
>too - there were a lot of them.
>
>Regards,
>Chris
I can see your point, I guess my post didn't belong in this thread. I
disagree about trashing him though, if other players(Ty Law and Lawyer Milloy
for example) can be trashed then so can Bledsoe.
Rokkco11
>Denver as an indication of
>his career. His anti-Bledsoe bias makes him irrational.
>
Tom Brady won a Super Bowl and has already been everything that Bledsoe was
supposed to be. Bledsoe never even did more than Tony Eason. Actually Eason
threw a better deep ball, but you wouldn't know would you? Your the kind of guy
who became a fan 1993 when we got Bledsoe. Before that the team was nothing
right?
You Bledsoe worshippers are a joke.
Horsemen
freaking fair weather fans who I know will jump off the Brady Bandwagon if
he starts out slow (which does happen to many second year guys)..
I've watched every game (not lucky enough to have tickets) on T.V since 89,
even when they sucked.. I revel in this championship and only want the best
for the TEAM!!
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> How about the ones that aren't sticking by him now, even after he helped win
> the Super Bowl. Those are the worst fans.
They too are idiots.
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Ah, but you miss my point Rok. By singling out that single performance of
Bledsoe's you only show how completely irrational you are re:Bledsoe. The original
poster was simply paying a bit of homage to Bledsoe who's now gone, and you
couldn't stop yourself from jumping in and doing some bashing. Can't you see,
you're just the flip side of those mindless Brady bashers? And further, can't you
see that I wasn't slamming Brady?
And are you really trying to imply that Eason was better than or even on par
with Bledsoe as a QB? That's right up there with your, I'm paraphrasing here,
"Damon Huard is a better QB than Bledsoe because he played better in preseason"
comment. Tell me, were you a Michael Bishop fan? I thought so. I bet you think
Scott Secules, Mark Wilson, Scott Zolak, Tommy Hodgson, etc. were all better QBs
too? Hey, just to poke your brains, who is/was better, Curtis Martin or Horace
Ivory?
As for the length of service as a Pats fan, I'm not sure what that has to do
with the conversation at hand. Should we whip our schlongs (sp?) to see who's is
bigger? That's about as relevant to the discussion. Also your inane "all you
Bledsoe worshippers are alike" and complete oversimplification of other people's
position when anyone disagrees with you is childish. Grow up. (Assumption here is
that you aren't a kid playing with dad's PC. Then again you have knowledge of
Eason. Perhaps dad had a few tapes from that era?).
To sum, the horsemen guy was right about one thing, and I know it's not really
encouraging intelligent debate by saying this, but you truly are an idiot. I know,
I know, that's pretty low stuff, beneath me, unbecoming, immature, etc. But some
people ARE indeed idiots and I think it's important that someone tell them lest
they go on living that way for the rest of their lives. Then again, I believe a
prerequisite for being an idiot is that you don't listen to what anyone tells you
about anything, especially about yourself.
Mark
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> <snip>And it IS amazing all the crap that gets slung at the HC/GM who has worked
> FAR
> harder than Bledsoe and (surprise!) delivered us fans far more.
I think many folks have missed the point of this thread, as it has again
devolved (is that a word?) into the endless Brady vs Bledsoe vs Belichik furball.
It was just a simple little thread on remembering the good times of one of the
best QBs we've had here in New England. But some folks, who shall remain
nameless, just can't let any praise of Bledsoe pass without jumping at their
keyboards with vengeance in mind.
Mark Edwards
> skin2skin wrote:
>
> > How about the ones that aren't sticking by him now, even after he helped win
> > the Super Bowl. Those are the worst fans.
>
> They too are idiots.
I've gotta use that word more often, it just sounds so... woody. ;-)
Mark
R. Cohen
> conversion tosses to Shawn Jefferson, followed by the TD to Jefferson
> with a blitzer in his face...all with a freshly-broken finger on his
> throwing hand. Maybe Drew's best game-winning drive in his career.
>
That was a real clutch game. If anything, people expected him to do
that everytime.
>
> 1. Minnesota 1994. Aside from the record-setting stats and a great
> comeback, this win came on the heels of a 4-game skid. This win
> catapulted the team from 3-6 to 10-6.
>
That was a great comeback and was the first sign that Drew was coming
into his own. It basically started the beginning of the Patriots as a
quality team.
> 7. @Jacksonville 1997. Against a team that was undefeated at home
> and a Superbowl favorite at the time, Drew led the team the length of
> the field right before halftime, culminating in a TD to Coates that
> effectively put the game away. Excellent performance in a big game
> setting.
yep.
>
> 6. Buffalo 1998. For the second week in a row, Drew's final drive
> led the team to victory. A crucial, albeit controversal, 4th down
> conversion to Shawn Jefferson set up the game-winning sequence: Toss
> to Glenn in the endzone with no time left - PASS INTERFERENCE - Pats
> get one play from the 1 yard line - Bledsoe to Coates TD!
>
>
Yep
What about the Pittsburgh playoff game this year? A great story and
a great game. It may not have been his best game but it was certainly
clutch enough. Especially after not playing for most of the season.
Chris
<snip>
> What about the Pittsburgh playoff game this year? A great story and
> a great game. It may not have been his best game but it was certainly
> clutch enough. Especially after not playing for most of the season.
That TD sequence upon entering the game was heroic. What bugged me
about the rest of his performance wasn't so much that he was shaky,
but rather *predictably* shaky. I'll give him a free pass on the
behind-the-head toss, but not on the throw that Joey Porter
fortunately dropped. Nine years of watching him have taught me that
Drew's never thrown a pass that a linebacker didn't like. He's got
way too many picks to linebackers on his resume for a QB of his
caliber and experience...a clear sign of poor reads. If it wasn't for
that one play, I'd actually call his relief appearance good. However,
due to the predictable nature of that awful toss at such a crucial
juncture of the game, I can't put this game up there on his list of
all-time best games. In hindsight, though, since Porter DID drop the
ball and the Pats won the game, I'm glad Drew got an opportunity to
contribute towards their Superbowl run.
Regards,
Chris
Jim vh
<42e6245c.02042...@posting.google.com>,
chris_in_...@yahoo.com says...
so bledsoe comes in cold off the bench against the #1
defense in the league after not playing at all for a couple
of months, leads the team to all it's offensive scores,
with both scoring drives longer than any drive the #1 qb
put up, and you say it was shaky.
http://members.cox.net/jvhsite/oops.htm
brady found a couple of linebackers too. he didn't put up
any offensive scores. his longest drive was for less than
40 yards, and bledsoe drove the team for 40 yards to a td
and 56 yards to a fg.
--
Jim vh
SAPguru
Amazing how soon these people forget what Bledsoe did in PGH, wouldn't you
say? Brady this, Brady that. Brady, Brady, Brady. I love the Pats too
much to wish Brady gets his dick kicked into the dirt this year; but won't
be shocked when it happens.
Scott
"Jim vh" <jvh...@cox.net.au> wrote in message
Jim vh
atl2.usenetserver.com>, sap...@NOSPAMbellsouth.net says...
> Jim;
>
> Amazing how soon these people forget what Bledsoe did in PGH, wouldn't you
> say? Brady this, Brady that. Brady, Brady, Brady. I love the Pats too
> much to wish Brady gets his dick kicked into the dirt this year; but won't
> be shocked when it happens.
>
> Scott
>
>
scott, i agree with a lot of what you've been posting here.
some of the brady people may possibly be front runners, we
will find out when he puts up a couple of poor games.
to me it looks like brady did a good job with the tools at
hand, but i don't think he beat out bledsoe or carried the
team to a super bowl win.
he will have some better tools to work with this year. but
he will be facing a tougher schedule.
--
Jim vh
Beezer
news:91oy8.68999$tt4.4...@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com...
>
> Amazing how soon these people forget what Bledsoe did in PGH, wouldn't
you
> say? Brady this, Brady that. Brady, Brady, Brady. I love the Pats too
> much to wish Brady gets his dick kicked into the dirt this year; but
won't
> be shocked when it happens.
I do not believe that for a second. You and JimVH are so anti-Brady that I
have no doubt that you will both be hoping for him (and, consequently, the
team) to fail so that you can come at us with an "I told you so". You are
holding him to an impossibly high standard; you are ready to call him a
failure if he brings home anything less than another Super Bowl. Even
Montana took 3 years to get back (going an unimpressive 14-13 in the 2 years
between Super Bowl appearances).
PhilW1776
>Jim;
>
>Amazing how soon these people forget what Bledsoe did in PGH, wouldn't you
>say? Brady this, Brady that. Brady, Brady, Brady. I love the Pats too
>much to wish Brady gets his dick kicked into the dirt this year; but won't
>be shocked when it happens.
>
>Scott
This is thinly veiled bullshit posturing so that at the slightest difficulty
(probability = 1) during the season or the "slight" chance the Pats don't
repeat you can say "Woe is us. I warned you! I was right. We are doomed.
Doomed I say."
-philw (detects symptoms of early senility in SAP)
SamHunt90
<danger...@attbi.com> wrote:
>FlyingElvis wrote:
> I still root for CM and I'll do the same for DB. It's always a pleasure to
>watch Curtis run with the ball, he's an excellent running back. And I'll root
>for Drew to throw for 4 TDs and 300+ yards against the Pats, just as long as Tom
>Brady throws for 5 TDs! ;-)
> I refuse to play the role of tunnel vision fan. These guys are men just
>like us. Some of them are admirable, others aren't. If the Pats had a roster
>full of assholes I'd have a problem rooting for them. I definitely don't cheer
>for them simply because of the jersey they wear.
I particularly liked CM. He is still a favorite of mine. It kills me
every time I seem him in Jet's green. Not only that, I don't blame
him a bit for going to the Jets. The Pats were playing him and
bringing in Carroll, and getting rid of solid role players. He only
followed Sheakespeare's advice (since there are quotes floating around
in this thread) "To thine own self be true".
Drew is a different story. While he is unquestionably a class act,
that's not the whole story. I've been a Drew basher for reason. His
much-discussed limitations were a drag on the team. I do wish him
well in Buffallo, I think he lucked out to get onto a team that is
surrounding him with talent. They probably already have a better
offensive line than Brady will ever experience.
Sam90
Jim vh
Bee...@nospam.net says...
>
> I do not believe that for a second. You and JimVH are so anti-Brady that I
> have no doubt that you will both be hoping for him (and, consequently, the
> team) to fail so that you can come at us with an "I told you so". You are
i don't appreciate being trashed like this. i was for a
patirots victory with kenneth sims at de even tho i didn't
consider him to be an all pro, and i am for a patriots
victory even tho i have not been impressed with brady's
style of throwing the ball 3.5 yards downfield on his
completions.
--
Jim vh
bradtor
That last line undermines your position, Jim.
Chris
Jim vh <jvh...@cox.net.au> wrote in message news:<aUny8.56175$3C4.5...@news1.east.cox.net>...
First, I said his TD sequence upon entering the game was not only
great, but "heroic". I think that's an acknowledgement of credit
towards Drew, don't you? Second, I still think his performance from
that point on was shaky, but understandably so considering the reasons
you gave above. I don't fault him for that, and even implied this by
mentioning that I give him a free pass for that toss over that head
that others in here have criticized him for. I made a specific point
that the play that kills me is the toss to Porter...a play he has
repeatedly made throughout his career. I for one would think he'd
have learned to avoid this AFTER NINE YEARS. I even went so far as to
say that without this play, I'd even call his relief appearance
"good", considering the reasons you pointed out.
>
> http://members.cox.net/jvhsite/oops.htm
>
> brady found a couple of linebackers too. he didn't put up
> any offensive scores. his longest drive was for less than
> 40 yards, and bledsoe drove the team for 40 yards to a td
> and 56 yards to a fg.
Brady found linebackers too. No kidding. So has Joe Montana (LT
returned one for a TD in their playoff romp in '86) and all the great
ones. Drew threw 27 picks (plus 3 in the playoff loss to Cleveland)
in his "breakout" year in '94. Did I think he was a bum? No. He had
his whole career in front of him to work past the stupid picks. The
problem was that he hasn't. In NINE years, Drew's reads of the
short-to-middle zones have not improved greatly. If in nine years
Brady has the same fault, I'll be sure to criticize him too. For now,
Brady gets the benefit of the doubt after his second year that Drew
got from me in '94.
As for your comparison about the length of drives in the AFC title
game for Brady vs. Bledsoe, what's your point? Are you refuting a
non-existant point you think I made that Brady somehow had a great
game while Drew had a shaky game? I don't mention Brady anywhere in
my post so why the comparison? Your introduction of him into the
thread seems out of place.
I started this thread. I obviously am willing to acknowledge Drew's
many great moments and I'd like to think my list shows that I've paid
attention to his career. When Drew performs well, I'll be the first
to acknowledge it. At the same time, I don't feel there's anything
wrong with pointing out what I feel are his limitations, especially
one big one (picks to linebackers) that almost reared its ugly head
against Pittsburgh. He's had several years to change my mind about
these limitations, but his performance hasn't justified me doing so.
Regards,
Chris
Jim vh
@posting.google.com>, chris_in_...@yahoo.com says...
> I started this thread. I obviously am willing to acknowledge Drew's
> many great moments and I'd like to think my list shows that I've paid
> attention to his career. When Drew performs well, I'll be the first
> to acknowledge it. At the same time, I don't feel there's anything
> wrong with pointing out what I feel are his limitations, especially
> one big one (picks to linebackers) that almost reared its ugly head
> against Pittsburgh. He's had several years to change my mind about
> these limitations, but his performance hasn't justified me doing so.
>
> Regards,
> Chris
>
i was looking for an even handed interpretation of the game
and i didn't see it. brady hit two LBs in the game, and
his INT ratio is higher than bledsoe's was in 2000. why
does brady get a free pass for hitting 2 LBs in the game,
but not bledsoe? bledsoe's career int rate is 3.2%, brady
is at 2.9% for this year. bledsoe has been throwing the
ball all over the field, and brady had a conservative dink
and dunk no-mistakes offensive game plan. so why is this a
bledsoe weakness? maybe it's because the team relied on
him too much and couldn't come back if he didn't do it all
himself.
--
Jim vh
bradtor
Jim, I don't know whether you noticed, but the Patriots just won a
Super Bowl largely without Bledsoe as an active participant. It's fair
comment to say the game against the Steelers didn't rank among his
best efforts, even if it will go down as his last hurrah as a Patriot.
Aside from this three-for-three scoring sequence, in which he superbly
finished a drive that Brady had started, he didn't have a stellar
game.
I loved the three passes he threw when he first came into the game,
but the third quarter was painful to watch. There were no first downs.
Yes, the defense faltered, but the offense could have helped the cause
by at least giving the defense a break. For the first time in months,
the Pats seemed to lose their swagger in that quarter. Suddenly, the
self-doubt was back. That game, as I've noted before, was Bledsoe in
microcosm -- flashes of brilliance amid long stretches of puzzling
mediocrity.
I think Belichick rightly tagged him as an "up-and-down type of guy."
SAPguru
Nah, I would love as much as anyone to see the Patriots sport another
Superbowl ring. I just view Brady as a small cog in a well thought out and
executed game plan involving 50 athletes during one 12 month period. When
the quality of the rest of the players fall, I feel that Drew has shown
substantially his ability to overcome this lack of assistance by carrying a
team on his own skills (meaning, his statistics far surpass those of Brady
or other QB's). Since Brady has less than one year of total experience in
the NFL as a starting QB, to get rid of such a proven as Drew is just a
mistake. That having been said; if Tom fails I will certainly come onto
this group and say: "I told you so". I will most probably call for the
removal of BB from our organization, and point to him as the reason of our
failure (loss of Drew, lack of a QB coach, questionable draft picks).
Scott
"Beezer" <Bee...@nospam.net> wrote in message
Jim vh
atl2.usenetserver.com>, sap...@NOSPAMbellsouth.net says...
> > I do not believe that for a second. You and JimVH are so anti-Brady that
> I
> > have no doubt that you will both be hoping for him (and, consequently, the
> > team) to fail so that you can come at us with an "I told you so". You are
> > holding him to an impossibly high standard; you are ready to call him a
> > failure if he brings home anything less than another Super Bowl. Even
> > Montana took 3 years to get back (going an unimpressive 14-13 in the 2
> years
> > between Super Bowl appearances).
Scott, what does SAPguru mean? is that you are a GURU of
the database package SAP ?
--
Jim vh
SAPguru
I know we have all beat the Bledsoe trade into the ground; but I am going
to slam you one last time and then we can drop this all. Brady certainly
QB'ed us there; but Bledsoe did two things. He came off the bench and did
a great job (all things considered) at PGH, and as #2 QB he was
fundamentally involved in play calling, defense reading, and in evaluation
of each game plan on the next Monday morning. He was instrumental in Tom's
success last year, and Tom was the first to state that. So, even though
Drew warmed the bench most of the year, he deserved and earned that ring as
much as anyone else on the team; he just did it in a way we did not expect
to occur. He is no different than BB - BB did not go out on the field for
one single play, but we could not have done it without him.
Scott
SAPguru
Yes, I own an SAP consulting form (a dot-bomb now!). No, I do not run
around Vermont tapping maples for Aunt Jemima! LOL
Scott
"Jim vh" <jvh...@cox.net.au> wrote in message ...
bradtor
<sap...@NOSPAMbellsouth.net> wrote:
>Beezer;
>
>Nah, I would love as much as anyone to see the Patriots sport another
>Superbowl ring. I just view Brady as a small cog in a well thought out and
>executed game plan involving 50 athletes during one 12 month period. When
>the quality of the rest of the players fall, I feel that Drew has shown
>substantially his ability to overcome this lack of assistance by carrying a
>team on his own skills <snip>
This just isn't true. In the last half of 1999, Bledsoe wasn't able
to carry the team. He played as woefully as those around him, and the
Pats squandered a 6-2 start to finish at 8-8. In 2000, Bledsoe again
played at the level of those around him -- no better, no worse. He
certainly did not carry the team. To begin 2001, the Pats lost the
only two games he started. Again, he did not carry the team.
If he did "carry the team," it was a long time ago -- and even that is
debatable. The fact is, football is a team game, and every player on
the team needs to appreciate that fact and do his part. If everybody
does his part, the team wins.
bradtor
Hey, Scott, I agree that Bledsoe deserves his Super Bowl ring, unlike
Terry Glenn. Of course, Bledsoe contributed to the team's success. I
have no doubt about that.
I'm not so sure that he was indispensable, however, and that's the
point I was trying to make.
SAPguru
Did Terry get a ring - he did not suit up for the game. I do not think he
really deserved it, though he did have minor play time during the year.
Scott
"bradtor" <bradtor...@rogers.com> wrote in message ...
Beezer
>
> i don't appreciate being trashed like this. i was for a
> patirots victory with kenneth sims at de even tho i didn't
> consider him to be an all pro,
If you can honestly say that I have misrepresented you, then I apologize.
But it really seems like certain parties in this group are hoping for Brady
to fail.
> and i am for a patriots
> victory even tho i have not been impressed with brady's
> style of throwing the ball 3.5 yards downfield on his
> completions.
If the offense gains more yards per pass attempt with Tom Brady, then why
make such an issue over how far the ball travels in the air? Would you
rather gain 6.9 yds per attempt or 6.2? How much did Joe Montana benefit
from a 3 yard slant to Jerry Rice who turned upfield for a 60 yard
reception?
Beezer
> That having been said; if Tom fails I will certainly come onto
> this group and say: "I told you so". I will most probably call for the
> removal of BB from our organization, and point to him as the reason of
our
> failure (loss of Drew, lack of a QB coach, questionable draft picks).
This is the type of post that gives New England sports fans a bad name. The
guy just won a Super Bowl, with perhaps the greatest coaching job of all
time, and there is already someone ready to fire him if he makes a mistake
at the QB position. Coach Bill can lost the next 90 games he coaches, and
he is still the single most successful Patriots coach of all time. Ditto
Tom Brady.
Jim vh
Bee...@nospam.net says...
IF this continues it is one thing. but to see the offense
relying on fluke plays like fred whatshisname turn a 4 yard
play into a 40 yard TD to win games, and then say "he hit
him right in stride" to explain how the pats won . .. well
it is not a sustainable strategy. you can't COUNT on that
happening all the time and that's the way it was for the
pats for too much of the time.
--
Jim vh
bradtor
But, Jim, he did hit him in stride with the pass, and he hit other
receivers in stride with other successful completions. Why do you find
it so hard to admit? And I think that sort of passing game is more
consistent and dependable than trying to take a seven-step drop and
throw it 50 yards downfield on every play. (That's not a knock at
Bledsoe or any other quarterback, incidentally; it's merely my
observation that you seem to favor a rather one-dimensional aerial
game that is relatively easy to defend against.)
SAPguru
to deify BB. Maybe we should put Ditka back at the helm of the Bears, he
did win an SB there you know. Hey, maybe we need to fire BB now and
reinstall Ray Berry at the helm; using the logic that he was a Hall of
Famer and got us an AFC championship ring. I do agree with your
statement that BB did more for us than any coach before him - well, almost
any coach. Mike Holovak is actually our winningest coach (53 wins); and
he brought us our first AFL East crown (though we got smoked by San Diego
51-10 in the championship). Berry brought us our first AFC Championship,
and won 51 games in 5 years (48 were regular season). BB, well, I am
sure if he hangs out for about 5 more years will certainly have his shot at
beating all of the previous coaching records. Here is a chuckle - Pete
Carroll had a better record so far than BB. Pete went 27 - 21 (97-99),
and BB so far is 16-16 (00 - 02). Bill is in good company playing 500 ball,
the Tuna was also a 500 coach (32-32). Rust and Mac; well those two were
just pitiful. Greatest coaching job will ALWAYS go to Holovak; because
this guy had us as contenders quite often, and never had anywhere near the
talent that BB and Berry had to work with. This guy ALWAYS had to do
something with nothing (except of course for Cappelletti). And talk about
doing this all at shitty stadiums - Holovak became the winningest coach
while playing at BU's field, Harvard's field, and Fenway Park! No
offense to college fields and baseball fields, but they cannot compare to
pro football stadiums for playing pro football games.
Scott
"Beezer" <Bee...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> This is the type of post that gives New England sports fans a bad name.
Chris
My beef isn't that Drew throws a lot of picks. My beef is that I
(along with several others in here) saw that throw to Porter coming a
mile away. It's to the point that if the game is big and the game is
close, you can put money in the bank that Drew is going to hit a LB in
the chest. It's frustrating when you know it's coming and it does.
If Drew was in his second year, I'd chalk it up to inexperience and
something he needs to work out. When it's still happening in year
nine, though, that's when I ask myself if Drew is the guy I want
quarterbacking my team in a must-win game.
You may think my focus on this one issue causes me to unreasonably
grade his performance, but that's where we'll have to disagree. If
Brady makes a habit of throwing a killer pick late in a close game,
I'll be sure to call him out on it too.
As for your comment about Brady getting a free pass...again, who said
he got one for that Pittsburgh game? I critiqued Bledsoe, but no
where did I make any statements that Brady played well, nor deserved a
free pass. You're the one making comparisons, for what reasons I
don't know.
Regards,
Chris
Beezer
>
> IF this continues it is one thing. but to see the offense
> relying on fluke plays like fred whatshisname turn a 4 yard
> play into a 40 yard TD to win games, and then say "he hit
> him right in stride" to explain how the pats won . .. well
> it is not a sustainable strategy. you can't COUNT on that
> happening all the time and that's the way it was for the
> pats for too much of the time.
I disagree. If you hit the WR "in stride" a couple dozen times over the
course of a few games, that receiver is going to break one every once in a
while. A "fluke" was that Immaculate Reception versus Indianapolis. Fred
Whatshisname breaking a 40 yard TD run off a 4 yard pass is the inevitable
result of multiple plays which are well set up and well executed. You're
trying to make Brady's job sound so easy, but if it is so easy why isn't
everyone doing it?
Jim vh
Bee...@nospam.net says...
he stopped doing it himself soon enough. see his
performance over the last few weeks of the season and the
playoffs.
--
Jim vh
Beezer
>
> he stopped doing it himself soon enough. see his
> performance over the last few weeks of the season and the
> playoffs.
Well, let's see. During the playoffs, he threw 7 fewer interceptions than
Drew did 5 years ago. He had an career day leading a comeback against
Oakland in a blizzard. When he needed to score against Oakland, he did.
When he needed to score against the Rams, he did. I have asked you this
question repeatedly, and you refuse to answer: What does a guy have to do
to impress you? How is a 14-3 record (and a Super Bowl Championship) not
good enough for you?
Rokkco11
>of
>Bledsoe's you only show how completely irrational you are re:Bledsoe. The
>original
>poster was simply paying a bit of homage to Bledsoe who's now gone, and you
>couldn't stop yourself from jumping in and doing some bashing. Can't you
>see,
>you're just the flip side of those mindless Brady bashers? And further,
>can't you
>see that I wasn't slamming Brady?
>
The post that you responded to had nothing in it about Tom Brady. I can see
that you couldn't resist the opportunity to bash Brady by singling out his
worst game of the year. Your are such a dick that you yourself did everything
that you said I would do. Nice job.
> And are you really trying to imply that Eason was better than or even on
>par
>with Bledsoe as a QB? That's right up there with your, I'm paraphrasing
>here,
>"Damon Huard is a better QB than Bledsoe because he played better in
>preseason"
>comment. Tell me, were you a Michael Bishop fan? I thought so. I bet you
>think
>Scott Secules, Mark Wilson, Scott Zolak, Tommy Hodgson, etc. were all better
>QBs
>too? Hey, just to poke your brains, who is/was better, Curtis Martin or
>Horace
>Ivory?
Drew Bledsoe hasn't achieved anything more than Eason did, and Eason threw a
better long ball. But like I said you wouldn't know would you?
> As for the length of service as a Pats fan, I'm not sure what that has to
>do
>with the conversation at hand. Should we whip our schlongs (sp?) to see
>who's is
>bigger? That's about as relevant to the discussion. Also your inane "all
>you
>Bledsoe worshippers are alike" and complete oversimplification of other
>people's
>position when anyone disagrees with you is childish. Grow up. (Assumption
>here is
>that you aren't a kid playing with dad's PC. Then again you have knowledge
>of
>Eason. Perhaps dad had a few tapes from that era?).
>
Did I hit nerve on this one?
> To sum, the horsemen guy was right about one thing, and I know it's not
>really
>encouraging intelligent debate by saying this, but you truly are an idiot. I
>know,
>I know, that's pretty low stuff, beneath me, unbecoming, immature, etc. But
>some
>people ARE indeed idiots and I think it's important that someone tell them
>lest
>they go on living that way for the rest of their lives. Then again, I
>believe a
>prerequisite for being an idiot is that you don't listen to what anyone tells
>you
>about anything, especially about yourself.
>
My wife read this and is afraid that I have incited a psycho stalker, but I
told her not to worry because you are probably packing your bags for Buffalo.
Jim vh
Bee...@nospam.net says...
> "Jim vh" <jvh...@cox.net.au> wrote in message
> news:PVSy8.74718$3C4.5...@news1.east.cox.net...
> >
> > he stopped doing it himself soon enough. see his
> > performance over the last few weeks of the season and the
> > playoffs.
>
> Well, let's see. During the playoffs, he threw 7 fewer interceptions than
> Drew did 5 years ago.
he also lead the team to 3 offensive TDs in teh SB alone,
was trying to bring the team come back after the
defense/STs gave up 35 points in the first 3 quarters.
> He had an career day leading a comeback against
> Oakland in a blizzard.
that's great, every two years he win a blizzard game. even
wiggins looked like an all pro in that game. he did his
job, but the slippery environment was built for a short
passing game.
> When he needed to score against Oakland, he did.
that does not mean he can again.
> When he needed to score against the Rams, he did.
a very pedestrian performance in the SB. he didn't have to
score 36 points to win the game, the defense and STs won
that game, brady was very mediocre.
> I have asked you this
> question repeatedly, and you refuse to answer: What does a guy have to do
> to impress you? How is a 14-3 record (and a Super Bowl Championship) not
> good enough for you?
he didn't have the 14-3 record, the team did. as i have
pointed out a thousand times, the defense and STs and some
fluke plays contributed to those wins. after his streak
early in the season of looking like favre, he was mediocre
at best. someone in the boston papers analyzed his
performance. he can't throw to the sidelines, he can't
throw deep, and his performance fell off dramatically after
that streak with starting with the SD game.
after that streak he had 8 tds and 8 ints, threw for 190
yards a game, and had several notably very bad performances
(bills, miami, cleveland).
he was at his worst vs miami and buffalo, and was not very
effective vs NYJ either. what happens next year, when he
has to beat noticeably improved miami and buffalo teams for
the pats to win the division?
can he win without smith running for 156 yards, an onside
kick, and pass turning a swing pass to the flat into a 23
yard TD like in miami II? and we all know what happened in
miami I.
and how about buffalo II, 4 FGs with smith running for 95
yards, a 4.5 average, against a poor defense which gave up
420 points last year?
buffalo I wasn't much better, again smith ran for 100 yds
and brady helped out with a short TD pass.
so with all the exaggerated talk about how bb can shut down
bledsoe (actually bledsoe is a successful against him as
against anyone else) it looks like miami and buffalo have
got brady's number.
what do i want? i want to know what bledsoe would have done
with this year's team. i am frustrated by what happened
because for years i have been arguing that the pats need to
build up the offensive line and give bledsoe some legit
targets to work with - now that has happened but it is with
another team.
--
Jim vh
Mark Edwards
> The post that you responded to had nothing in it about Tom Brady. I can see
> that you couldn't resist the opportunity to bash Brady by singling out his
> worst game of the year. Your are such a dick that you yourself did everything
> that you said I would do. Nice job.
You still don't get it Rok, I wasn't bashing Brady (in fact I clearly
mentioned that), I was merely illustrating a point about you and YOUR obsession
w/Bledsoe (that must be hard to swallow eh?). Lost to you is the fact that I LIKE
Tom Brady.
> Drew Bledsoe hasn't achieved anything more than Eason did, and Eason threw a
> better long ball. But like I said you wouldn't know would you?
So you're saying Eason was a better QB. I'll just log that as further
evidence, not that I have any doubt at this point, that you are indeed an idiot.
Also, you never answered my question, who was/is better, Horace Ivory, Curtis
Martin and I'll now throw in Antowain Smith (since he won a championship)? By the
way, do you know who Horace Ivory is?
> Did I hit nerve on this one?
Actually no, I've been a fan since I was a boy. I started following the Pats
around 1975. But yet again, you miss my point. What's that have to do with the
conversation at hand? Please, please try to type a coherent answer to that query.
> My wife read this and is afraid that I have incited a psycho stalker, but I
> told her not to worry because you are probably packing your bags for Buffalo.
Tell your wife she has nothing to worry about except that she married an idiot
and for that she has my deepest sympathies. On a side note, my wife read your
response and said, "What an idiot!".*
Mark
P.S. That last bit did not take place, my wife couldn't be bothered with reading
anything in the Pats newsgroup. In fact I'm sure she thinks we're all idiots.
--
Mark Edwards
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Beezer
>
> > When he needed to score against Oakland, he did.
>
> that does not mean he can again.
Still better than Drew, who has never done it. I remember him failing to
score on a last minute drive against Cleveland in '95, then Pittsburgh in
'98, to lose both those games. And there was an awful lot of talent on the
'97-'98 team, so don't blame it on a bad backfield.
> a very pedestrian performance in the SB. he didn't have to
> score 36 points to win the game, the defense and STs won
> that game, brady was very mediocre.
Who had the better Super Bowl: Brady this year or Bledsoe 5 years ago?
> after that streak he had 8 tds and 8 ints, threw for 190
> yards a game, and had several notably very bad performances
> (bills, miami, cleveland).
You can spin it as much as you want, but basically you are just taking away
all his good games, showing what is left over, and saying "See? I told you
he stinks!" That is just logically incoherent. This is called "cherry
picking stats". You will not look at the big picture (19 TD's, 12 INT's,
Super Bowl Championship) but instead you simply point to select games and
say "Look how bad he did!"
Jim vh
Bee...@nospam.net says...
> "Jim vh" <jvh...@cox.net.au> wrote in message
> news:lCWy8.76061$3C4.5...@news1.east.cox.net...
> >
> > > When he needed to score against Oakland, he did.
> >
> > that does not mean he can again.
>
> Still better than Drew, who has never done it.
what the **** are you talking about?
quote:
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He also has directed the Patriots to 16 fourth-quarter
comeback wins, the same number John Elway had at the same
stage of his career.
"We always feel that we have a chance to come back and win
a game if there's some time left," Bledsoe said.
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http://www.s-t.com/daily/09-99/09-26-99/d01sp133.htm
>
> > a very pedestrian performance in the SB. he didn't have to
> > score 36 points to win the game, the defense and STs won
> > that game, brady was very mediocre.
>
> Who had the better Super Bowl: Brady this year or Bledsoe 5 years ago?
bledsoe. brady was very pedestrian.
>
> > after that streak he had 8 tds and 8 ints, threw for 190
> > yards a game, and had several notably very bad performances
> > (bills, miami, cleveland).
>
> You can spin it as much as you want, but basically you are just taking away
> all his good games, showing what is left over, and saying "See? I told you
> he stinks!" That is just logically incoherent. This is called "cherry
> picking stats". You will not look at the big picture (19 TD's, 12 INT's,
> Super Bowl Championship) but instead you simply point to select games and
> say "Look how bad he did!"
8 consecutive games plus 3 playoff games is not cherry
picking. it is truth. brady was pedestrian.
--
Jim vh
bradtor
>he didn't have the 14-3 record, the team did. as i have
>pointed out a thousand times, the defense and STs and some
>fluke plays contributed to those wins. after his streak
>early in the season of looking like favre, he was mediocre
>at best. someone in the boston papers analyzed his
>performance. he can't throw to the sidelines, he can't
>throw deep, and his performance fell off dramatically after
>that streak with starting with the SD game.
If you're alluding to Borges, what he writes should not be mistaken
for analysis. Borges is a mawkish sportswriter who was once noted for
an affinity and aptitude for boxing coverage, not for his football
jottings. In recent years, his reputation as a boxing scribe has taken
a beating, as Paul D. might be inclined to tell you.
Borges is sentimentally attached to Bledsoe, for reasons both
explicable and inexplicable. He's not an objective source on Tom
Brady, nor a particularly prescient football observer. It's a tribute
to his salesmanship that he's been able to reinvent himself as a
"football expert."
>after that streak he had 8 tds and 8 ints, threw for 190
>yards a game, and had several notably very bad performances
>(bills, miami, cleveland).
Those were "very bad performances"? Your true colors are showing, Jim,
and they're not resonant hues of profound reason. If Brady played as
abysmally as you alleged him to have done, the Pats would not have won
those games. He had trouble with the Bills, I'll grant you that, but
that defense played solid ball late in the season against all division
rivals with the exception of Miami. They certainly did a job on
Testaverde and the Jets. He played well in the second contest against
Miami, when the play calling turned conservative in the second half
and the offense was effectively shut down.
>he was at his worst vs miami and buffalo, and was not very
>effective vs NYJ either. what happens next year, when he
>has to beat noticeably improved miami and buffalo teams for
>the pats to win the division?
Not very effective against the Jets? He carved them up like a
Halloween pumpkin in the second half, when it mattered most. Your
perspective is radically skewed.
>what do i want? i want to know what bledsoe would have done
>with this year's team. i am frustrated by what happened
>because for years i have been arguing that the pats need to
>build up the offensive line and give bledsoe some legit
>targets to work with - now that has happened but it is with
>another team.
We saw what Bledsoe did with this year's team. His record was 0-2.
Jim vh
bradtor...@rogers.com says...
>
>
> If you're alluding to Borges, what he writes should not be mistaken
> for analysis. Borges is a mawkish sportswriter who was once noted for
> an affinity and aptitude for boxing coverage, not for his football
> jottings. In recent years, his reputation as a boxing scribe has taken
> a beating, as Paul D. might be inclined to tell you.
>
> Borges is sentimentally attached to Bledsoe, for reasons both
> explicable and inexplicable. He's not an objective source on Tom
> Brady, nor a particularly prescient football observer. It's a tribute
> to his salesmanship that he's been able to reinvent himself as a
> "football expert."
>
so i guess you're saying he has an axe to grind. so
refreshing to hear from someone who views this issue
objectively !! [/sarcasm>
--
Jim vh
SAPguru
coming together. Bill's record at Head Coach was not stellar prior to this
year, so the SuperBowl win was not all him - it was the players. In
fact, It will be rough for him to just get back to coaching at a .500 level
(5 losing seasons and only 2 winning seasons); which itself is well below
the leaders among coaches. On the plus side - we are all in his debt for
coaching our team to a Superbowl win. He did a great job with the people he
had, and outdid everyone's predictions. Even if the Patriots never do it
again, it was a sweet year and an enjoyable memory. I am curious to see
how he does over the next 2 or 3 years; considering that if Brady matures a
bit we still have a solid post season team.
RECORD AS NFL HEAD COACH
1991 Cleveland BROWNS 6-10
1992 Cleveland BROWNS 7-9
1993 Cleveland BROWNS 7-9
1994 Cleveland BROWNS 11-5
1995 Cleveland BROWNS 5-11
2000 New England PATRIOTS 5-11
2001 New England PATRIOTS 11-5
__________
Total 52 - 60
SAPguru
Please post the career stats for Eason and Bledsoe so we can try to
understand how you came to this assessment. Please do not just say "they
both won an AFC Championship ring"; really substantiate your statement.
Scott
"Rokkco11" <rokk...@aol.com> wrote in message ...
Beezer
> > >
> > > > When he needed to score against Oakland, he did.
> > >
> > > that does not mean he can again.
> >
> > Still better than Drew, who has never done it.
>
> what the **** are you talking about?
I thought we were talking about the playoffs. I apologize for my lack of
clarity. Such remarks are not necessary in intelligent discourse. Bledsoe
had a late drive against Cleveland in 1995 to tie the game that he failed
on, and he had a late drive against Pittsburgh in 1998 where he failed, and
lost 7-6. Nothing like 6 offensive points in a playoff game, huh? So if we
are going to include the regular season, then you can add wins over SD, NYJ
and Buff to Brady's resume of late wins against Oak and St. L.
> > Who had the better Super Bowl: Brady this year or Bledsoe 5 years ago?
>
> bledsoe. brady was very pedestrian.
Well, that is your opinion. But I will take 1 TD, 0 INT's over 2 TD's, 4
INT's any day of the week. Maybe Drew would not have had to score 36 points
if he didn't throw 4 INT's.
> 8 consecutive games plus 3 playoff games is not cherry
> picking. it is truth. brady was pedestrian.
Yes, you are cherry picking. He played 17 games. You are taking away his
best performances, looking at what is left over, then saying "See! I told
you he stinks!" Fact is Brady threw 19 TD's against 12 INT's. That ratio
beats 6 of Drew's 8 years. Not too shabby for a first year starter
inheriting a 5-13 team.
Rokkco11
>pointed out a thousand times, the defense and STs and some
>fluke plays contributed to those wins. after his streak
>early in the season of looking like favre, he was mediocre
>at best. someone in the boston papers analyzed his
>performance. he can't throw to the sidelines, he can't
>throw deep, and his performance fell off dramatically after
>that streak with starting with the SD game.
>
He can win the Super Bowl, only idiots like you and edwards will never see
that that is what its all about, end of story. Bledsoe led the team to the
bottom of the barrel, even below Cincinnati. Belichick and Brady led the team
to the very top and you do nothing but trash them. I've got news for you buddy,
Belichick and Brady will be leading this team for at least the next 10 years,
so if you don't like it you can move to Buffalo now.
bradtor
Well, objectivity is beyond the reach of most people. We're not always
aware of all the factors that form our opinions and perspectives.
Still, I like to think that I have been reasonably fair to Bledsoe
over the years. I thought he was the Pats' best option at quarterback
until Tom Brady proved otherwise. I was never a Bishop boy, and I
defended Bledsoe against a lot of criticisms that I felt were
unwarranted until late in the 2000 season.
Neither Brady nor Bledsoe is HOF material at this point in their
respective careers, but Brady has a better overall game and he has
shown a capacity to learn and improve markedly with each new season.
I like Drew Bledsoe. He seems like a good guy, as his newspaper
advertisement attests. If I look at how he's performed on the field in
recent seasons, however, I wonder whether he can ever live up to the
expectations and hype that have greeted his arrival in Buffalo. This
aspect of the trade has not been mentioned much, but he will be held
to an incredibly high standard of performance in Buffalo.
Rokkco11
>mentioned that), I was merely illustrating a point about you and YOUR
>obsession
>w/Bledsoe (that must be hard to swallow eh?). Lost to you is the fact that I
>LIKE
>Tom Brady.
>
So to illustrate my obsession with Bledsoe you used Tom Brady's game against
Denver? Can you see my problem with that?
> So you're saying Eason was a better QB. I'll just log that as further
>evidence, not that I have any doubt at this point, that you are indeed an
>idiot.
This is a fact, your hero Drew Bledsoe hasn't achieved anything more than Tony
Eason did in the NFL, and Eason threw a
better long ball.
>Also, you never answered my question, who was/is better, Horace Ivory, Curtis
>Martin
> By the
>way, do you know who Horace Ivory is?
>
No, to tell you the truth I do not know who he is, I have heard the name but I
really do not know who he is. So if that means anything then you got me on
that.
>and I'll now throw in Antowain Smith (since he won a championship)?
You said it yourself, we didn't need Curtis Martin to win the championship.
> Actually no, I've been a fan since I was a boy. I started following the
>Pats
>around 1975. But yet again, you miss my point. What's that have to do with
>the
>conversation at hand? Please, please try to type a coherent answer to that
>query.
Your dragging me down.
> Tell your wife she has nothing to worry about except that she married an
>idiot
>and for that she has my deepest sympathies. On a side note, my wife read
>your
>response and said, "What an idiot!".*
>
> Mark
>
>P.S. That last bit did not take place, my wife couldn't be bothered with
>reading
>anything in the Pats newsgroup. In fact I'm sure she thinks we're all
>idiots.
So now your wife thinks your an idiot and my wife thinks your a pyscho.
Rokkco11
>Rok;
>
>Please post the career stats for Eason and Bledsoe so we can try to
>understand how you came to this assessment. Please do not just say "they
>both won an AFC Championship ring"; really substantiate your statement.
>
>Scott
>
Scott, let me show you why stats are meaningless. On the 3rd play of the game,
QB #1, on 3rd and 6 and under pressure hits a WR for 11 yards. On the 3rd play
of the game, QB #2., on 3rd and 15 and under no pressure hits a WR for 11
yards. They are both 1-1 for 11 yards but which one did a better job? Now this
is one example but there are so many things like this that happen during a game
that you cannot look back at stats and know how someone played. Unless maybe
you looked at every single stat for every position. Anyway I haven't really put
any thought into who is a better player, but it is a fact that Bledsoe never
achieved anything more than Eason did and Drew Bledsoe against the 85 Bears
would have been an ugly sight. Now I have a question, why are all Bledsoe
Krishnas stat guys?
SAPguru
guys - well, what other tool would you suggest is used to determine if
trading Bledsoe was a good idea? The best test would have been to make
them both try for the starting job next year. I may actually separate
myself from the other Bledsoe fans, but in retrospect with regard to the
past season; I can fully see why BB kept in Brady. Brady was winning, the
team was behind him, and Drew got rustier each week on the bench. I only
wish Drew had a chance this year to compete for the starting QB position (in
New England, anyway), I feel that 9 years of hard work earned him that
chance. I do not agree with the Drew bashers here about Drew being
ineffective or not being a high quality QB. I believe he is a future HOF
QB. Drew did not do any more for the Pat's than Marino did for the
Dolphins, but yet we all agree that Marino is an HOF'er. I have been to
the NFL HOF in Canton a few times (lived in Ohio for a while), and I
promise you that there were QB's there that had one (or less) rings. Since
the AFL and NFL were separate until the 60's and there was no such thing as
a Superbowl; many QB's achieved what Drew did - an AFL Championship ring or
an NFL Championship ring. For shits and giggles, let's go one step
further. Imagine a day when the winner of the Superbowl has to play the
winner of Europe's World Bowl - would we say a Superbowl QB did not go all
the way if he couldn't win the final one over in Europe? I believe that
winning an AFC or NFC Championship game is winning THE ring; that the AFC or
NFC champion is a true winner. I would even go as far as to say that the
AFC and NFC Championship games are almost always more exciting than the
Superbowl is. When I was young I grew up in NY as a Jets fan (also AFL) and
have been a Pats fan for 25 years now. So, I am perfectly happy when my
team wins an AFC Championship ring. If the Pats are not in the Superbowl,
I barely even bother watching it; but I always watch the AFC Championship
no matter who is in it. BTW, I do agree with you that a yards are not
everything; but we both know it is impossible to look at the circumstance
of every play - which of course is why I wish Drew had a chance of another
year in New England.
Scott
"Rokkco11" <rokk...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
Mark Edwards
> So to illustrate my obsession with Bledsoe you used Tom Brady's game against
> Denver? Can you see my problem with that?
Not really, given the point I was trying to make. Your question here just
reinforces my point (which you still don't seem to grasp). You are as mindless
about your assessment of Bledsoe as someone who would judge Tom Brady on that
single performance.
> This is a fact, your hero Drew Bledsoe hasn't achieved anything more than Tony
> Eason did in the NFL, and Eason threw a better long ball.
So what you're saying is you're ducking here, taking a pass, trying to wriggle
out of taking a stand on my question? Try to simply answer the following question
with a "yes" or "no" response. Do you think that Tony Eason was/is a better QB
than Drew Bledsoe? Try really, really hard! I have minimal confidence that you
can do it, but get those neurons firing and take a crack at it!
> No, to tell you the truth I do not know who he is, I have heard the name but I
> really do not know who he is. So if that means anything then you got me on
> that.
Ahh, so my schlong IS bigger than yours eh? I was just testing to see how long
YOU'VE been a Patriots fan. Horace Ivory was a running back for the Patriots in
the late 70's and early 80's. I think he was even one of the backs that ran for
500+ yards in 1978. I seem to remember he was a bit too small for fulltime RB
duties, had a few decent years and then ended up in Green Bay. But, of course,
that's all completely irrelevant to this discussion. Just like the fact that I've
been a fan longer than you or vice versa as the case may be.
> >and I'll now throw in Antowain Smith (since he won a championship)?
>
> You said it yourself, we didn't need Curtis Martin to win the championship.
So Antowain Smith is better than Curtis Martin. So according to your logic any
team member that has ever won a Super Bowl is better by default than someone who
hasn't won a championship? That is, Jeff Hostetler/Jim McMahon were better QBs
than Dan Marino, Jim Kelly and Dan Fouts? Matt Suey was better than Barry Sanders?
> > Actually no, I've been a fan since I was a boy. I started following the
> >Pats around 1975. But yet again, you miss my point. What's that have to do
> with
> >the conversation at hand? Please, please try to type a coherent answer to that
> >query.
>
> Your dragging me down.
The contraction of "You are" is "You're", a common typo, but further evidence
(given the rest of the irrelevant reply) that you couldn't type a coherent answer.
> So now your wife thinks your an idiot and my wife thinks your a pyscho.
Doh, again with the "you're" contraction and twice in one sentence! You've
been taking lessons from Kent. Tell your wife that I'm sorry she thinks I'm a
psycho, but it's not MY fault she married such an idiot.
Mark
Mark Edwards
> I would not say I have seen Bledsoe Krishna's here. <snip>
One of my main gripes with Rokco11 is that anyone that disagrees with his
assessment of Bledsoe is automatically labeled a "Bledsoe Krishna/Worshipper"
etc. He then proceeds to put words in your mouth, duck questions, etc.
Jim vh
Bee...@nospam.net says...
>
> Well, that is your opinion. But I will take 1 TD, 0 INT's over 2 TD's, 4
> INT's any day of the week. Maybe Drew would not have had to score 36 points
> if he didn't throw 4 INT's.
>
this is absolute crap. bledsoe's INTs had nothing to do
with giving up two 50+ td passes and a 99 yard kick
return. jeez you are just shameless. "intelligent
discourse", right.
--
Jim vh
Jim vh
rokk...@aol.com says...
here's another example: in a playoff game a team with an
offense that relies on NOT making mistakes gets down early.
the other team, heavily favored, drives for the first score
of the game. the team decides they have to open up the
offense to get some fast results. the qb responds by
throwing an INT and the other team gets the ball at the 41.
sound familiar? that's your boy brady after oakland scored
the first td of the game.
--
Jim vh
Jim vh
rokk...@aol.com says...
bellichick took over an 8-8 team and lead it to a 5 win
season, you idiot. bledsoe put up similar results to
brady's, and kept the team in the games for the most part,
just by sheer willpower and determination with no running
game, the worst OL in the game.
the defense gave up 338 points in 2000, this is with 9 or
10 returning starters from a team that gave up 284 points
in 1999. you going to blame bledsoe for that too, you
idiot? or maybe you'll start talking about how statistics
are meaningless or some other drivel.
bledsoe was working with a buch of guys who didn't belong
starting in the nfl, and most of them don't this year.
as far as bb being here 10 years from now, that may be. but
trading bledsoe to buffalo will not prove to be his
smartest move. brady may be here for 10 years too, but he
had better elevate his game because that dink/dunk stuff
isn't going to cut it next year. he will have to face
buffalo and miami twice, they had his number last year and
have improved their teams much more than the pats have.
and as always i deny being an idiot.
--
Jim vh
bradtor
What happened after that, Jim? You know, you're not doing your
reputation any favors by slagging Brady's play in the Oakland game or
in the Pats' second encounter with the Jets.
Let's drop the Bledsoe-versus-Brady contrasts and comparisons. They're
no longer relevant. Bledsoe will start his next NFL game for the
Bills, not the Patriots; and Brady need worry more about improving his
game and fending off long-term competition from the quarterbacks now
under contract in New England.
Bledsoe belongs to the Patriots history, not its future.
Beezer
>
> this is absolute crap. bledsoe's INTs had nothing to do
> with giving up two 50+ td passes and a 99 yard kick
> return. jeez you are just shameless. "intelligent
> discourse", right.
Apparently you are not interested in discussing this intelligently and like
a gentleman, so please feel free to get back to me when you change your
mind.
Beezer
news:t63pcuoucg4f1p9c1...@4ax.com...
> >
> >sound familiar? that's your boy brady after oakland scored
> >the first td of the game.
>
> What happened after that, Jim? You know, you're not doing your
> reputation any favors by slagging Brady's play in the Oakland game or
> in the Pats' second encounter with the Jets.
That is an example of how JimVH cherry picks his statistics. Essentially,
if you take away the entire second half, then Brady was pretty "pedestrian"
against Oakland. It is easy to make Brady look bad: Just take away all his
good plays and good stats, show what is left over, and voila!
Jim vh
bradtor...@rogers.com says...
> Bledsoe belongs to the Patriots history, not its future.
>
>
that's true. so why don't you drop the subject then?
--
Jim vh
Jim vh
Bee...@nospam.net says...
i cherry picked his stats for 8 games and 3 playoff games.
that is the truth about brady.
--
Jim vh
bradtor
I'm not the one digging through the archives in a belated bid to serve
as chief propagandist.
Rokkco11
> Not really, given the point I was trying to make. Your question here
>just
>reinforces my point (which you still don't seem to grasp). You are as
>mindless
>about your assessment of Bledsoe as someone who would judge Tom Brady on that
>single performance.
>
If my assessment of Bledsoe was mindless you wouldn't have had to bring Brady
into it. You have no argument to my real assessment of Bledsoe so you bring up
something I might do in the future hoping to argue that instead. Nice try.
> So what you're saying is you're ducking here, taking a pass, trying to
>wriggle
>out of taking a stand on my question? Try to simply answer the following
>question
>with a "yes" or "no" response. Do you think that Tony Eason was/is a better
>QB
>than Drew Bledsoe? Try really, really hard! I have minimal confidence that
>you
>can do it, but get those neurons firing and take a crack at it!
Here you go again, you have no real argument to my original statement so you
change it to something else hoping to argue that instead. I see a pattern
developing here. Who is better? Well maybe if Eason had a fair chance to
compete with Drew we would know.
> So Antowain Smith is better than Curtis Martin. So according to your
>logic any
>team member that has ever won a Super Bowl is better by default than someone
>who
>hasn't won a championship? That is, Jeff Hostetler/Jim McMahon were better
>QBs
>than Dan Marino, Jim Kelly and Dan Fouts? Matt Suey was better than Barry
>Sanders?
Same old story here, you know you have no argument to my original statement so
you change it to a war of stats instead. Look if you are one of those people
that slam the Pats for letting Martin go, get over it, he has been replaced and
we won a Super Bowl. The Bears and Giants didn't need Marino, Kelly, Fouts or
Sanders to win theirs.
> The contraction of "You are" is "You're", a common typo, but further
>evidence
>(given the rest of the irrelevant reply) that you couldn't type a coherent
>answer.
The pattern continues, no argument so you correct my grammar.
> Doh, again with the "you're" contraction and twice in one sentence!
>You've
>been taking lessons from Kent. Tell your wife that I'm sorry she thinks I'm
>a
>psycho, but it's not MY fault she married such an idiot.
>
>
She no longer thinks you are dangerous because you are too much of a geek.
Beezer
>
> i cherry picked his stats for 8 games and 3 playoff games.
> that is the truth about brady.
The truth is they won 10 of those 11 games, and Tom Brady has already done
something that Drew Bledsoe has never done and will never do: Lead a team
to a Super Bowl championship. (Of course, Bledsoe does get a ring for this
past year - but nobody's is looking at him as a Super Bowl winning
quarterback).
John Bonanno
should have been allowed to "compete for his job" and whether he is a hall
of fame QB (disclaimer: I think he's a hall o ween QB myself) and whether TB
is a flash in the pan and whether it was "fair" to sit Drew down makes me
eternally grateful that BB traded him. I can't imagine living through this
sillly discussion if he had stayed; and evidentally, neither could BB. True
Patriots fans aren't interested. Patriots fans care more about the TEAM
than one guy. Why don't the Bledsoe acolytes start a new NG
alt.sports.cult.drewbledsoe. Bledsoe will be judged on the field. I think,
as usual, he will be good, but not good enough.
PhilW1776
And some Bledsoe worshipers still wonder why they earned the label "Bledsoe
Krishnas". The "Future Hall of Famer" cult lives on, with a new branch office
opening in Buffalo. I thought this futile discourse would taper off with
Drew's departure, but "woulda, coulda, and shoulda" still continues with dire
overtones warning us about Brady's iminent implosion.
-philw (woe be unto those who lost faith in The Statue)