I thought they were picking the Jets?
J D Sal45
Apparently he was all juiced up about some article that appeared on
Realteam.com that was positive about the Jets. Well, looks like Realteam.com
has had second thoughts about the sad, pathetic old Jets. Read below:
OFF-SEASON TOUR: NEW YORK JETS
Terry O'Neil Reporting
Posted: May 21, 1:50 a.m. ET
Editor's Note: This is the opening shot in Terry O'Neil's analysis of every
club's off-season. This week, he'll tour the AFC East.
Stop me if you've heard this one before: Bill Parcells undertakes the
rebuilding of a dog-ass NFL club. He works miracles, takes his team at least
to the Championship Game, more often to the Super Bowl. Then he departs.
Within weeks, his ungrateful former players begin to snipe at him.
You're familiar with the storyline?
Last week, the latest gripe was heard from Jets CB Marcus Coleman, a lowly
fifth-round draft choice who was on the verge of termination when Parcells
rescued his career and subsequently paid him a contract beyond his wildest
imagination.
In The New York Times, Coleman said that Jets players and other employees no
longer "walk on eggshells or in fear." His quote appeared in a flight of
editorial whimsy headlined, "Jets Learn About Edwards, Their New Coach, and
His Joyfulness."
So we've defined the first difference between Parcells and his successor,
Herman Edwards. Parcells believed the only "joyfulness" in football came
about 10 p.m., EST, on the last Sunday of January.
Some other differences are apparent, as well. Coach Edwards has junked the
3-4 defense for which Parcells chose very specific personnel. This was a
surprise, especially after Edwards recruited as his defensive coordinator
Ted Cottrell, who managed the 3-4 superbly at Buffalo.
Instead, Edwards, a former Tampa Bay assistant, talks bravely of emulating
the Bucs' 4-3. And my question is: Coach, with exactly which linemen?
The Bucs' defense is keyed by the best trio of DTs in the game, Warren Sapp,
Anthony "Booger" McFarland and James Cannida. Add to them the pass rush of
DEs Marcus Jones, Steve White and now Simeon Rice.
It has taken GM Rich McKay years of skillful labor to build this rotation.
And now Herman Edwards is simply going to waltz onto Long Island and draw up
the same defense? Played by whom? Jason Ferguson and Shaun Ellis at DT? Rick
Lyle and John Abraham at DE?
Abraham is a clear victim in this misadventure. The 13th pick in last year's
draft, he is a pure rush linebacker, ideally suited to the 3-4. He had 4.5
sacks in six games, embarrassing New England in an early-season win, before
a low stomach muscle pull put him on injured reserve.
Now Abraham is being asked to bulk up so he can play 4-end in the trenches
against 330-pound offensive tackles. The Jets are taking a thoroughbred and
making a plow-horse of him.
There are more disconnects on the other side of the ball. Paul Hackett, not
successful with the Chiefs, 49ers, USC or the University of Pittsburgh, has
somehow been named offensive coordinator. He is now going to make a "West
Coast quarterback" of Vinny Testaverde. Raise your hand if you understand
that.
One former NFL coach told me recently, "It won't work with Hackett. I heard
him say in an interview that he's never going to pass protect with more than
six blockers. That won't work."
Translation: Hackett will open the formation, allowing blitzers to come at
Testaverde unblocked out of the slot, off short corners. Testaverde will be
asked to read the blitz, find a hot receiver, make the throw and take a
punishing hit -- time after time, without making a mistake. Won't happen.
This dissembling of the Jets is a reminder of what Parcells built from
rubble in such a short time. Considering the 1-15 team and salary-cap
disaster he inherited from Rich Kotite, his 30 wins in three seasons are
nothing short of astounding, maybe his best work ever.
So Marcus Coleman, while you're grousing about him, do me this favor:
Look up the records of Ray Handley, who followed Parcells at the Giants, and
Pete Carroll, who followed him at the Patriots.
http://www.realteam.com/insiders/PublishedArticles/10538.jsp
J D Sal.
Tutor
is a master of oversimplification. West coast = allowing blitzers to come at
Testaverde unblocked. Real Credible. And somebody ought to tell him that
Edwards is not following Parcells. What a joke.
Knight Smoke
be one reassuring thought for this coming season, that the Jests will stink
worse than the Pats in 2001.
-V-
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Tutor
season for years to come where they will finish in fifth place!
BobJensen08863
>From: jds...@aol.com (J D Sal45)
>Date: 5/22/01 12:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20010522005206...@ng-xa1.aol.com>
>
>Remember last week when Jensen came in here asking "Anyone picking the Pats?"
>Apparently he was all juiced up about some article that appeared on
>Realteam.com that was positive about the Jets. Well, looks like Realteam.com
>has had second thoughts about the sad, pathetic old Jets. Read below:
>
>OFF-SEASON TOUR: NEW YORK JETS
>
>Terry O'Neil Reporting
>Posted: May 21, 1:50 a.m. ET
>
>Editor's Note: This is the opening shot in Terry O'Neil's analysis of every
>club's off-season. This week, he'll tour the AFC East.
Terry O'Neill has been discussed ad infinitum in the Jets NG since January. He
is not a media analyst, he is a former ass't GM to Mike Ditka in NO who lost
his job when Ditka was fired. He also openly campaigned for the Jets GM job
when Parcells retired. His article is basically sour grapes for being passed
over by the Jets for the GM job. How accurate is the article? For starters, he
calls John Abraham a pure LB pash rusher, but fails to note that his sacks all
came when he was lined up at DE. He resurrects another old bromide about how
coaches who replace Bill Parcells are failures. Herm Edwards is not replacing
Bill Parcellss, he is replaceing Al Groh. Read his article on how he could have
retained Keyshawn Johnson or after losing the Jets GM job he called Bradway
just another guy.
Bob Jensen
Lennybrsco
Edwards is following Parcells as Groh proved himself to be little more than a
Tuna puppet who tried to mimic Parcells every move with his players and the
media.
Groh was even installed by Parcells and was forced to live with Parcells moves
as GM.
J D Sal45
>One only need to read his analysis of the west coast offense to know that
>Oneill
>is a master of oversimplification. West coast = allowing blitzers to come at
>Testaverde unblocked. Real Credible. And somebody ought to tell him that
>Edwards is not following Parcells. What a joke.
Hey, don't shoot the messenger! It was Jensen who touted this site last week.
And before you discredit O'Neil, I believe he is partial or full owner of the
site...and Jensen thought it was great last week when they complimented the
Jets.
J D Sal.
J D Sal45
>He
>is not a media analyst, he is a former ass't GM to Mike Ditka in NO who lost
>his job when Ditka was fired. He also openly campaigned for the Jets GM job
>when Parcells retired. His article is basically sour grapes for being passed
>over by the Jets for the GM job. How accurate is the article? For starters,
>he
>calls John Abraham a pure LB pash rusher, but fails to note that his sacks
>all
>came when he was lined up at DE. He resurrects another old bromide about how
>coaches who replace Bill Parcells are failures. Herm Edwards is not replacing
>Bill Parcellss, he is replaceing Al Groh. Read his article on how he could
>have
>retained Keyshawn Johnson or after losing the Jets GM job he called Bradway
>just another guy.
>Bob Jensen
Riddle me this, why didn't you mention any of this last week when you were
touting this web site? After all, O'Neil is the owner, shouldn't there have
been full disclosure of his lack of credibility when you were initially
discussing it?
J D Sal.
Tutor
J D Sal45 wrote:
Sorry JD. I'm not as deeply affected by Bob's posts as you. For now I will stick
to replying in here to Vichet's infantile trolling in the Jets NG. Tit for tat.
Tutor
Lennybrsco wrote:
Edwards follows Groh. Groh followed Parcells. These are the facts no matter how
you try to spin it my friend. What is the point anyway? O'neill shows his
football ignorance in that article. His simplistic notion of the WC offense and
lack of understanding for the reasons of the switch to 4-3 destroy any credibility
he might have had.
BlackFly
"Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message
>
> Sorry JD. I'm not as deeply affected by Bob's posts as you. For now I
will stick
> to replying in here to Vichet's infantile trolling in the Jets NG. Tit
for tat.
Ahhh! Tutor. I thought you were much bigger than this. You are now reduced
to what you abhor in your group. You are now a troll. One of our co-horts!!
Welcome.
Problem is the intelligent talk in here will outweigh any trolling. Unlike
the waste land that the Jets NG has become
Tutor
BlackFly wrote:
Hey Rick....when do you contribute to the "intelligent talk" in here? We've
been waiting for years. Bwahahahahahahaha! Vichet is my target for now. He
still needs exposure in here. Once he is completely shunned by his fellow Pats
fans (as you are), I will consider the job done.
BlackFly
"Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message news:3B0A68A3...@nac.net...
Tutor
Ca-ching!
BlackFly
"Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message news:3B0A69A9...@nac.net...
> Thank you. That means so much coming from one so respected as yourself.
> Ca-ching!
>
Tutor
BlackFly wrote:
I don't know. Why don't we ask all your friends in here? Ca-ching!
BlackFly
"Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message news:3B0A6C4A...@nac.net...
That seems to be a big issue with you Tutor. Friends in NG's Are they the
only ones that you have? It would appear that way.
I don't know if anyone's told you this Tutor? This isn't real!! Shhhhhhhh.
Lennybrsco
lack of understanding for the reasons of the switch to 4-3 destroy any
credibility
he might have had. >>
His points about Paul Hackett being a mediocre OC in his last couple of stops
and the fact that the Jets still have much better personnel at LB than on their
D-line are the crux of his argument and are well taken.
Lennybrsco
You won't get an answer from ol' paste and duck Jensen.
In his feeble mind a web site is only valid as their last pro-Jet article.
That's why he detests 99% of the football sites out there.
Abraham is a 3-4 LB and Paul Hackett is a bad offensive coordinator. If the
Jets were smart about their cap they would have been able to keep Keyshawn.
These are points that a rational football fan can see as clearly as the point
of top of boob's head.
KMTHALER
<<Edwards follows Groh. Groh followed Parcells. These are the facts no matter
how
you try to spin it my friend. What is the point anyway? O'neill shows his
football ignorance in that article. His simplistic notion of the WC offense
and
lack of understanding for the reasons of the switch to 4-3 destroy any
credibility
he might have had.
>>
David:
I am having a hard time understanding your point. Are you argueing that either
Vinny or Pennington is well suited for to run a true west coast offense.
Neither has a quick enough release or decision making processes. Then look at
the jets personal, Fabini is playing without cartaledge in his left knee...bone
on bone has to hurt and will reduce his effectiveness. Most likely this may be
his last year int eh league. That seriously weakens the Jets OL. They have
lots of speed at WR but no size. That is not how you make a WCO run. So far
Becht has been mediocre while Baxter is not going to be playing the Pats every
week. As best I can tell there is CM as flanker and not much else.
Kent
Commissioner all things UPUFF....email me for more details.
QuiGon1
>Tutor wrote:
>Hey, don't shoot the messenger! It was Jensen who touted this site last
week.
>And before you discredit O'Neil, I believe he is partial or full owner of
the
>site...and Jensen thought it was great last week when they complimented the
>Jets.
not to mention Jensen posting Terry O'Neil's report on the Pats. Hey, I
never heard of the dude, so I couldn't care less what he says one way or the
other...
QuiGon1
criticizes the Jets, his article is "basically sour grapes for being passed
over..." But when the same guy compliments the Jets, or criticizes the
Patriots, well, hell's bells..!! He's right on, brother..!!
J D Sal45 wrote in message <20010522085859...@ng-xa1.aol.com>...
Tutor
BlackFly wrote:
> "Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message news:3B0A6C4A...@nac.net...
> >
> >
> > BlackFly wrote:
> >
> > > "Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message
> news:3B0A69A9...@nac.net...
> > > > Thank you. That means so much coming from one so respected as
> yourself.
> > > > Ca-ching!
> > > >
> > > Damn, you "Bitch Slapped" me again Tutor. Will I ever learn?
> >
> > I don't know. Why don't we ask all your friends in here? Ca-ching!
>
> That seems to be a big issue with you Tutor. Friends in NG's Are they the
> only ones that you have? It would appear that way.
> I don't know if anyone's told you this Tutor? This isn't real!! Shhhhhhhh.
I'll take that as your admission that your fellow Pats fans in here want
nothing to do with you. Why is it that, Rick?
Andrew Brecher
BobJensen08863 wrote:
> Terry O'Neill has been discussed ad infinitum in the Jets NG since January. He
> is not a media analyst, he is a former ass't GM to Mike Ditka in NO who lost
> his job when Ditka was fired.
Frankly I'll take an assistant GM's take on football over a "media analyst".
Tutor
Lennybrsco wrote:
Lewis, Farior and Marvin Jones are far better suited to the 4-3. Jones is on
record as having stated that he was stifled playing the inside in the 3-4. I am
anxious to finally watch him play middle LB in the 4-3 while being healthy (fingers
crossed). As for Hackett, he wasn't very successful as HC at the college level.
It remains to be seen how he does as OC for the Jets. HC and OC are different
creatures.
Tutor
KMTHALER wrote:
> Tutor wrote:
>
> <<Edwards follows Groh. Groh followed Parcells. These are the facts no matter
> how
> you try to spin it my friend. What is the point anyway? O'neill shows his
> football ignorance in that article. His simplistic notion of the WC offense
> and
> lack of understanding for the reasons of the switch to 4-3 destroy any
> credibility
> he might have had.
> >>
>
> David:
>
> I am having a hard time understanding your point. Are you argueing that either
> Vinny or Pennington is well suited for to run a true west coast offense.
> Neither has a quick enough release or decision making processes.
Vinny's release is not slow. He just throws it to the wrong laundry too often, 99%
of the time on deep balls. I imagine there will be a lot less of that (deep balls)
at first in Hackett's offense. That ought to help cut down on the INTs. It
remains to be seen what Pennington will do. Neither you nor I have any idea what
his decision making abilities will be or how fast he will release the ball in
Hackett's O.
> Then look at
> the jets personal, Fabini is playing without cartaledge in his left knee...bone
> on bone has to hurt and will reduce his effectiveness. Most likely this may be
> his last year int eh league. That seriously weakens the Jets OL.
How so? Fabini played hurt last year and missed most of the season before. Seems
to me that his condition is just maintaining the status quo. Too bad about his
knee though. That's why the Jets drafted a OT.
> They have
> lots of speed at WR but no size. That is not how you make a WCO run.
Coles and Hatchette are over six feet tall. Don't let facts get in the way. Speed
is vital to the WCO. Yds after the catch are everything.
> So far
> Becht has been mediocre
I'll bet Becht is much more productive in the new offense. He was stifled last
season under Henning's schemes.
> while Baxter is not going to be playing the Pats every
> week.
Fred Baxter is no longer a Jet. Brad Baxter was released many years ago. To whom
do you refer?
> As best I can tell there is CM as flanker and not much else.
Don't forget Anderson. This offense could be vry explosive. We will see.
Stan Pietrowicz
Pats. Has Terry been behaving himself? Has BB brought in another low
cost upgrade <g>? Has Krafty been cooking the books? Oh! Your responding
to a Jensen post. Let's see: Q.Q, V, JD, Sully, the fish guy( what's he
doing here?) Kent is reading up on the WCO. Andrew is making intelligent
comments (shame on you). Some insect buzzing around. This must be one of
the uplifting days in the ng. (Sick em Tutor)
BlackFly
"Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message news:3B0A7B4A...@nac.net...
Basically right now I'm trying to get them pissed off at you because you are
continuing this Jihad in their NG. Class act that you are you already
admitted that you're posting in here tit for tat because of Vichet. That
goes over real big here.
And Tutor. I could care less who likes me in NG's. This is an important
thing for you to be liked, not me!
Doing what you're doing here is guarantee of acceptance.
Uncle Sam
because he was "passed over" for the Jets GM job?
Are there news reports about O'Neil being "passed over?"
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BlackFly
"Stan Pietrowicz" <pup...@adelphia.net> wrote in
>Some insect buzzing around.
That's me!! Yippeee
>This must be one of
> the uplifting days in the ng. (Sick em Tutor)
Yes, sick us Tutor, Stanley isn't smart enough. On second thought maybe he
is and wants you to do his dirty work!!
Never mind, he's not smart enough. although hem running a covert operation
in the Jets group. Pretty hush hush stuff.
>
Edward Russo
> This dissembling of the Jets is a reminder of what Parcells built from
> rubble in such a short time. Considering the 1-15 team and salary-cap
> disaster he inherited from Rich Kotite, his 30 wins in three seasons are
> nothing short of astounding, maybe his best work ever.
> So Marcus Coleman, while you're grousing about him, do me this favor:
>
> Look up the records of Ray Handley, who followed Parcells at the Giants,
and
> Pete Carroll, who followed him at the Patriots.
Granted it was with the team Parcells built, but Pete actually had a better
record than the Tuna as Pats HC.
Just thought I'd Help Terry and poor old Marcus out. Unfortunately, I don't
have the specifics on hand.
Ed
The Big EnchiPratta
anyone of these newsgroup people think or say. At least be funny enough
stupid, "I have more NG friends than you!" shit! Accck
"Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message news:3B0A7B4A...@nac.net...
The Big EnchiPratta
saying right?
"Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message news:3B0A7CA3...@nac.net...
BlackFly
"The Big EnchiPratta" <mua...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Good god, you obssesive freak should just shutup. Who gives a fuck what
> anyone of these newsgroup people think or say. At least be funny enough
> stupid, "I have more NG friends than you!" shit! Accck
They're his only friends. And soon to be fewer now that he's brought us back
into the Pats group. Good work Tutor!!!!
Sullman
BobJensen08863
>From: Tutor tu...@nac.net
>Date: 5/22/01 10:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>
>Lewis, Farior and Marvin Jones are far better suited to the 4-3. Jones is on
>record as having stated that he was stifled playing the inside in the 3-4. I
>am
>anxious to finally watch him play middle LB in the 4-3 while being healthy
>(fingers
>crossed). As for Hackett, he wasn't very successful as HC at the college
>level.
>It remains to be seen how he does as OC for the Jets. HC and OC are
>different
>creatures.
on the Peter Principle... Hackett is not the Jets Head Coxh.
Bob Jensen
BobJensen08863
>Date: 5/22/01 10:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>
>I am having a hard time understanding your point. Are you argueing that
>either
>Vinny or Pennington is well suited for to run a true west coast offense.
>Neither has a quick enough release or decision making processes. Then look
>at
>the jets personal, Fabini is playing without cartaledge in his left
>knee...bone
>on bone has to hurt and will reduce his effectiveness. Most likely this may
>be
>his last year int eh league. That seriously weakens the Jets OL. They have
>lots of speed at WR but no size. That is not how you make a WCO run. So far
>Becht has been mediocre while Baxter is not going to be playing the Pats
>every
>week. As best I can tell there is CM as flanker and not much else.
>
Your analysis is of the Jets is just as sharp as your analysis of the voters
of California being fools for voting for Gray Davis for Governor because of the
energy 'crisis'.... forgetting that the legislation was passed and signed in to
law by Repub;ican Governor Pete Wilson two years before Gray Davis was elected
Governor. Stick to politics you are more insightful and accurate in that realm.
Bob Jensen
JMG
- John
"BlackFly" <blac...@tjf.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message
> >
BobJensen08863
>Message-id: <20010522085859...@ng-xa1.aol.com>
>
>>Terry O'Neill has been discussed ad infinitum in the Jets NG since January.
>>He
>>is not a media analyst, he is a former ass't GM to Mike Ditka in NO who lost
>>his job when Ditka was fired. He also openly campaigned for the Jets GM job
>>when Parcells retired. His article is basically sour grapes for being passed
>>over by the Jets for the GM job. How accurate is the article? For starters,
>>he
>>calls John Abraham a pure LB pash rusher, but fails to note that his sacks
>>all
>>came when he was lined up at DE. He resurrects another old bromide about how
>>coaches who replace Bill Parcells are failures. Herm Edwards is not
>replacing
>>Bill Parcellss, he is replaceing Al Groh. Read his article on how he could
>>have
>>retained Keyshawn Johnson or after losing the Jets GM job he called Bradway
>>just another guy.
>>Bob Jensen
>
>
>touting this web site? After all, O'Neil is the owner, shouldn't there have
>been full disclosure of his lack of credibility when you were initially
>discussing it?
>
>J D Sal.
It wasn't posted last week, as clairvoyant as I am I seldom can predict a
media's mind in advance. It wasn't O'Neill who picked the Jets as a Super Bowl
contender it was another columnist. Obviously you also raised this thread
before seeing O'Neills Pat review today. Would you consider that a glowing
review?
Bob Jensen
BobJensen08863
>Date: 5/22/01 11:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3B0A807B...@adelphia.net>
>
>Aren't we obsessed with Jet football today. Nothing happening with the
>Pats. Has Terry been behaving himself? Has BB brought in another low
>cost upgrade <g>? Has Krafty been cooking the books? Oh! Your responding
>to a Jensen post. Let's see: Q.Q, V, JD, Sully, the fish guy( what's he
>doing here?) Kent is reading up on the WCO. Andrew is making intelligent
>comments (shame on you). Some insect buzzing around. This must be one of
>the uplifting days in the ng. (Sick em Tutor)
Trying to forget about Terry Glenn, she failed to show up at practice today.
Bob Jensen
JMG
so much time in them and continually get abused and laughed at?
You are this century's Elephant Man. Never understood, always laughed at.
- John
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BobJensen08863
>Date: 5/22/01 10:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3B0A7BF1...@mac.com>
Actually he is a media analyst. His bio's on the website. He was a producer for
NFL Football when Mike Ditka was an anouuncer. His only NFL experience was when
Ditka hired him when he became HC/GM of the Saints. Have to love Ditka but that
would be anlgous to Kraft hirring Kent as an ass't GM. Read his review of the
Pats, apparently he was passed over by Kraft when Bellichik was waiting for
Tagliabue to decide whether Bellichik could be a Patriot last year.
Bob Jensen
J D Sal45
>It wasn't posted last week, as clairvoyant as I am I seldom can predict a
>media's mind in advance. It wasn't O'Neill who picked the Jets as a Super
>Bowl
>contender it was another columnist. Obviously you also raised this thread
>before seeing O'Neills Pat review today. Would you consider that a glowing
>review?
>Bob Jensen
True, O'Neill didn't write the piece last week about the Jets, but most of the
facts you spout off about O'Neill allegedly were known PRIOR to last week, i.e.
his Jet bias, his failure in New Orleans, etc. etc....Since it is an O'Neill
owned site, which is mentioned in the biography you quote from, you would think
you would have mentioned his credibility problems when a Pro-Jet article
appears on his, according to you, disreputable site. It doesn't matter who the
actual author was, he OWNS the site and is CEO of it.
I mean, presumably, O'Neil maintains editorial control, no matter who writes
the piece, on items that appear on a site he owns. That would seem basic common
sense, right?
So credibility issues with the site should be discussed when discussing the
site or items contained therein. That seems elementary too, doesn't it? But,
you didn't do it, proving you are dishonest. You've proven this on many
occasions.
Personally, I don't care what O'Neill's thoughts are on the Jets or Pats....but
then again, I didn't go touting the site this offseason, did I?
J D Sal.
BobJensen08863
>
>True, O'Neill didn't write the piece last week about the Jets, but most of
>the
>facts you spout off about O'Neill allegedly were known PRIOR to last week,
>i.e.
>his Jet bias, his failure in New Orleans, etc. etc....Since it is an O'Neill
>owned site, which is mentioned in the biography you quote from, you would
>think
>you would have mentioned his credibility problems when a Pro-Jet article
>appears on his, according to you, disreputable site. It doesn't matter who
>the
>actual author was, he OWNS the site and is CEO of it.
I would give him credit for not interfering with he opinions of other writers
on the site, especially since he is the owner.
Bob Jensen
Lennybrsco
Dave Wannstedt won a division title last year you dumber than a bag of hammers
oaf.
<< Hackett is not the Jets Head Coxh. >>
Hackett sucked as KC's offensive coordinator. You'd know that if you followed
football.
buster55
WRs, a back and either the TE or other RB or on occasions, both, go into
pass routes. This leaves, at most, 6 blockers (either a back or TE and the
5 linemen). What O'Neill said is 100% accurate. Please tell me what he
said about the WCO is inaccurate. Think about this offense as opposed to
the Dan Henning/Joe Gibbs 2 TE (or 1 TE and 1 HB set) that often offered max
protection. I agree that the WCO isn't designed to let blitzers come free
untouched, but NO offense (even the Pats last season) is designed to have
rushers come unfettered. But anyone who knows the slightest bit about
football knows that the WCO isn't designed with protection foremost in mind.
If the QB makes a quick read, the WRs get off the line free and if short
pass is accurate, then the blitz won't be effective. We'll see how the Jets
do at that.
"Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message news:3B09F30B...@nac.net...
> One only need to read his analysis of the west coast offense to know that
Oneill
> is a master of oversimplification. West coast = allowing blitzers to come
at
> Testaverde unblocked. Real Credible. And somebody ought to tell him that
> Edwards is not following Parcells. What a joke.
>
> J D Sal45 wrote:
>
> > Remember last week when Jensen came in here asking "Anyone picking the
Pats?"
> > Apparently he was all juiced up about some article that appeared on
> > Realteam.com that was positive about the Jets. Well, looks like
Realteam.com
> > has had second thoughts about the sad, pathetic old Jets. Read below:
> >
> > OFF-SEASON TOUR: NEW YORK JETS
> >
> > Terry O'Neil Reporting
> > Posted: May 21, 1:50 a.m. ET
> >
> > Editor's Note: This is the opening shot in Terry O'Neil's analysis of
every
> > club's off-season. This week, he'll tour the AFC East.
> >
> > Stop me if you've heard this one before: Bill Parcells undertakes the
> > rebuilding of a dog-ass NFL club. He works miracles, takes his team at
least
> > to the Championship Game, more often to the Super Bowl. Then he departs.
> > Within weeks, his ungrateful former players begin to snipe at him.
> >
> > You're familiar with the storyline?
> >
> > Last week, the latest gripe was heard from Jets CB Marcus Coleman, a
lowly
> > fifth-round draft choice who was on the verge of termination when
Parcells
> > rescued his career and subsequently paid him a contract beyond his
wildest
> > imagination.
> >
> > In The New York Times, Coleman said that Jets players and other
employees no
> > longer "walk on eggshells or in fear." His quote appeared in a flight of
> > editorial whimsy headlined, "Jets Learn About Edwards, Their New Coach,
and
> > His Joyfulness."
> >
> > So we've defined the first difference between Parcells and his
successor,
> > Herman Edwards. Parcells believed the only "joyfulness" in football came
> > about 10 p.m., EST, on the last Sunday of January.
> >
> > Some other differences are apparent, as well. Coach Edwards has junked
the
> > 3-4 defense for which Parcells chose very specific personnel. This was a
> > surprise, especially after Edwards recruited as his defensive
coordinator
> > Ted Cottrell, who managed the 3-4 superbly at Buffalo.
> >
> > Instead, Edwards, a former Tampa Bay assistant, talks bravely of
emulating
> > the Bucs' 4-3. And my question is: Coach, with exactly which linemen?
> >
> > The Bucs' defense is keyed by the best trio of DTs in the game, Warren
Sapp,
> > Anthony "Booger" McFarland and James Cannida. Add to them the pass rush
of
> > DEs Marcus Jones, Steve White and now Simeon Rice.
> >
> > It has taken GM Rich McKay years of skillful labor to build this
rotation.
> > And now Herman Edwards is simply going to waltz onto Long Island and
draw up
> > the same defense? Played by whom? Jason Ferguson and Shaun Ellis at DT?
Rick
> > Lyle and John Abraham at DE?
> >
> > Abraham is a clear victim in this misadventure. The 13th pick in last
year's
> > draft, he is a pure rush linebacker, ideally suited to the 3-4. He had
4.5
> > sacks in six games, embarrassing New England in an early-season win,
before
> > a low stomach muscle pull put him on injured reserve.
> >
> > Now Abraham is being asked to bulk up so he can play 4-end in the
trenches
> > against 330-pound offensive tackles. The Jets are taking a thoroughbred
and
> > making a plow-horse of him.
> >
> > There are more disconnects on the other side of the ball. Paul Hackett,
not
> > successful with the Chiefs, 49ers, USC or the University of Pittsburgh,
has
> > somehow been named offensive coordinator. He is now going to make a
"West
> > Coast quarterback" of Vinny Testaverde. Raise your hand if you
understand
> > that.
> >
> > One former NFL coach told me recently, "It won't work with Hackett. I
heard
> > him say in an interview that he's never going to pass protect with more
than
> > six blockers. That won't work."
> >
> > Translation: Hackett will open the formation, allowing blitzers to come
at
> > Testaverde unblocked out of the slot, off short corners. Testaverde will
be
> > asked to read the blitz, find a hot receiver, make the throw and take a
> > punishing hit -- time after time, without making a mistake. Won't
happen.
> >
> > This dissembling of the Jets is a reminder of what Parcells built from
> > rubble in such a short time. Considering the 1-15 team and salary-cap
> > disaster he inherited from Rich Kotite, his 30 wins in three seasons are
> > nothing short of astounding, maybe his best work ever.
> > So Marcus Coleman, while you're grousing about him, do me this favor:
> >
> > Look up the records of Ray Handley, who followed Parcells at the Giants,
and
> > Pete Carroll, who followed him at the Patriots.
> >
> > http://www.realteam.com/insiders/PublishedArticles/10538.jsp
> >
> > J D Sal.
>
buster55
"JMG" <jo...@jets.com> wrote in message
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buster55
buster55
in detail the blocking assignments in the WCO. What are the blocking
schemes? I'm eagerly awaiting your reply.
"Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message news:3B0A6390...@nac.net...
>
>
> Lennybrsco wrote:
>
> > Tutor,
> >
> > Edwards is following Parcells as Groh proved himself to be little more
than a
> > Tuna puppet who tried to mimic Parcells every move with his players and
the
> > media.
> >
> > Groh was even installed by Parcells and was forced to live with Parcells
moves
> > as GM.
>
> Edwards follows Groh. Groh followed Parcells. These are the facts no
matter how
> you try to spin it my friend. What is the point anyway? O'neill shows
his
> football ignorance in that article. His simplistic notion of the WC
buster55
"Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message news:3B0A7CA3...@nac.net...
BobJensen08863
>Date: 5/22/01 10:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20010522222404...@ng-xa1.aol.com>
>
><< How succesful were Dave Wanstedt and lBellichik as HC's. >>
>
>
>Dave Wannstedt won a division title last year you dumber than a bag of
>hammers
>oaf.
How successful was Wannstedt as a Head Coach. In his first year with the Bears
he made the playoffs with a Mike Ditka inherited team... they haven't made the
playoffs since.
Bob Jensen
SuperPratt
"buster55" <bust...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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KMTHALER
<<Kent,
Your analysis is of the Jets is just as sharp as your analysis of the voters
of California being fools for voting for Gray Davis for Governor because of the
energy 'crisis'.... forgetting that the legislation was passed and signed in to
law by Repub;ican Governor Pete Wilson two years before Gray Davis was elected
Governor. Stick to politics you are more insightful and accurate in that
realm.>>
A couple of things Bob,
I noticed you convienently skipped adressing my points about the jets...rather
you raised an inane comparrission to my take on CA. Nice try but as usual you
are wrong.
Second, Pete Wilson was also a fool. However Gray Davis is the current
governor, has allowed the ridiculous system to stay in place, and is now
whining for hand outs, screaming about blame and emptying the states coffers
rather than actually dealing with the problem. Eliminate the freaking price
supports, allow the market to rise to the correct levels, then supply and
demand will level off. it is so simple my three year old can understand it.
Kent Thaler
Commissioner all things UPUFF....email me for more details.
Tutor
BlackFly wrote:
How special is this? Pratt and Rockett making love to each other in public!
Two of New England's finest citizens.
Tutor
buster55 wrote:
> The WCO employs a basic 2 WR, 2 Rb, 1 TE set. In these formations the 2
> WRs, a back and either the TE or other RB or on occasions, both, go into
> pass routes. This leaves, at most, 6 blockers (either a back or TE and the
> 5 linemen). What O'Neill said is 100% accurate. Please tell me what he
> said about the WCO is inaccurate. Think about this offense as opposed to
> the Dan Henning/Joe Gibbs 2 TE (or 1 TE and 1 HB set) that often offered max
> protection. I agree that the WCO isn't designed to let blitzers come free
> untouched, but NO offense (even the Pats last season) is designed to have
> rushers come unfettered. But anyone who knows the slightest bit about
> football knows that the WCO isn't designed with protection foremost in mind.
> If the QB makes a quick read, the WRs get off the line free and if short
> pass is accurate, then the blitz won't be effective. We'll see how the Jets
> do at that.
This is exactly correct. But O'Neil seems to think that Vinny will be unable to
make the quick decision and release. I hope he is wrong about that. The lion's
share of Vinny's INTs were over/underthrown long passes. I'm hoping the WC
offense can reduce that staggering number.
Tutor
backfield unfettered is ridiculous. You don't need a 2 TE set to protect the QB
and you know that.
Tutor
Tutor
to have Cox in on more defensive downs.
RickRockett
public!
> Two of New England's finest citizens.
Almost as funny as you chasing a couple of trolls around in the Pats NG.
We've already worn out our welcome here. You soon will also. My bet is
you've already been talked to by the almighty Kent and will either heed his
warning or continue on turning this into a troll heaven as Jensen did with
your group. What are you envious?
Tutor
BlackFly wrote:
> "Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message news:3B0A7B4A...@nac.net...
> >
> >
> > BlackFly wrote:
> >
> > > "Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message
> news:3B0A6C4A...@nac.net...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BlackFly wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3B0A69A9...@nac.net...
> > > > > > Thank you. That means so much coming from one so respected as
> > > yourself.
> > > > > > Ca-ching!
> > > > > >
> > > > > Damn, you "Bitch Slapped" me again Tutor. Will I ever learn?
> > > >
> > > > I don't know. Why don't we ask all your friends in here? Ca-ching!
> > >
> > > That seems to be a big issue with you Tutor. Friends in NG's Are they
> the
> > > only ones that you have? It would appear that way.
> > > I don't know if anyone's told you this Tutor? This isn't real!!
> Shhhhhhhh.
> >
> > I'll take that as your admission that your fellow Pats fans in here want
> > nothing to do with you. Why is it that, Rick?
>
> Basically right now I'm trying to get them pissed off at you because you are
> continuing this Jihad in their NG. Class act that you are you already
> admitted that you're posting in here tit for tat because of Vichet. That
> goes over real big here.
Bwaaahaaahaaa! Like I care what goes over "big" in this group. I could give a
rats ass whether any Patriot fans in here are po'd at me or not. You and the
rest are free to killfile me if you wish. I don't change my screen name. You
and Pratt obviously are desperate for attention as evidenced by your attempts to
evade killfiles by perpetually changing screen names.
>
> And Tutor. I could care less who likes me in NG's. This is an important
> thing for you to be liked, not me!
Ha! You say that because nobody likes you!
>
> Doing what you're doing here is guarantee of acceptance.
Good.
Andrew Brecher
KMTHALER wrote:
> Second, Pete Wilson was also a fool. However Gray Davis is the current
> governor, has allowed the ridiculous system to stay in place, and is now
> whining for hand outs, screaming about blame and emptying the states coffers
> rather than actually dealing with the problem. Eliminate the freaking price
> supports, allow the market to rise to the correct levels, then supply and
> demand will level off. it is so simple my three year old can understand it.
Your three-year old doesn't know neoclassical economics. When we're
talking about a monopoly (which we are effectively talking about here),
allowing the price to rise until supply and demand level off is one of
the most inefficient things that could happen. Unless you think turning
California energy suppliers into another OPEC is a good idea.
-Andrew
Tutor
RickRockett wrote:
Man, you are stupid. Kent is a libertarian. He would never attempt to tell me
or anyone when they should or should not post in a public forum. Kent is free
to killfile me also. You just resent Kent because he scolded you publicly like
a bad little boy. As for my "welcome" here: pbbbbbbbbbbbbbt!
RickRockett
"Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message news:3B0BCE70...@nac.net...
>
> Man, you are stupid. Kent is a libertarian. He would never attempt to
tell me
> or anyone when they should or should not post in a public forum.
OK, if you want to believe that
Kent is free
> to killfile me also.
You just resent Kent because he scolded you publicly like
> a bad little boy.
I am a bad little boy. BWAAAAAAAAHAAAA
As for my "welcome" here: pbbbbbbbbbbbbbt!
>
Well, on that one we agree.
RickRockett
"Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message
.> I don't change my screen name.
Probably because you don't know how!!
>You and Pratt obviously are desperate for attention as >evidenced by your
attempts to
> evade killfiles by perpetually changing screen names.
Just to screw up your NG, Now you're getting it!! Nothing much gets by you
does it old boy?
T-u-t-o-r
Little Napolean wrote:
Screw up a NG???? Delusions of grandeur! The ng's will always have trolls.
Giving yourself credit for the actions of others therein is demented. Like I
said earlier, better go back to taking your meds. Your little green beret
napoleonic complex has re-surfaced.
J D Sal45
>How special is this? Pratt and Rockett making love to each other in public!
>Two of New England's finest citizens.
Hey, Tutor, FYI Pratt lives in Florida, which I believe is sorta like New
York-South....far more like NYC than New England.
J D Sal.
J D Sal45
>Don't be a wise-ass. O'Neil's claim that the WCO will allow blitzers into
>the
>backfield unfettered is ridiculous. You don't need a 2 TE set to protect the
>QB
>and you know that.
Tutor, in all seriousness, I had a chance to observe a form of the WCO in
1998-1999 when Zampese was here...his philosophy was to flood the field with
eligible receivers, on the theory that if the defense blitzed, someone had to
be open. It was then up to the QB to act as sort of a blitz pickup mechanism by
spotting the open receiver.
The problem was not just the sacks the Pats gave up, they gave up alot. But
additionally, Bledsoe was exposed to some ferocious hits even when he made the
correct read and got rid of the ball....it worked well for awhile....the Pats
went 6-2 to start 1999 and they had an amazing number of long TD passes to wide
open receivers...I remember a game versus Arizona in which it was like flag
football the Pats were throwing so many long TDs.
However, along came Bellichick as DC of the Jets....he beat the shit out of
Bledsoe even worse and the beating Bledsoe was taking, even on TD throws, began
to take its toll. He went from perhaps the best 8 games of his career in the
first half of 1999 to easily the worst 8 games of his career and a 2-6 second
half followed. The simple fact was Zampese's "timing offense" and leaving
people unblocked was very dangerous, risky...and, albet at times rewarding,
awful over the long haul....it was disastorous to the QB and eventually the
offense. I believe Hackett is a Zampese disciple.
When Charlie Weiss came here, he changed all that and vowed to protect Bledsoe
and restore his confidence....obviously it took awhile as the new system caused
the Pats to give up 20 sacks the first 3 games of last year...but the last 13
games they only gave up 25 or so, which would have placed them in the top half
of the league for those games. It took time, but eventually Bledsoe looked to
improve his confidence and return to the three time Pro Bowl QB he is....the
team was worse, so they didn't score more points....YET...but I think Weiss
began the process of repairing the damage to Bledsoe, he is still in his 20s,
and it will begin to show up on the scoreboard in coming years.
I wonder what that system will do to a 38 year old QB, or a basically rookie QB
just trying to find his way. I'd be worried.
J D Sal.
KMTHALER
<<Your three-year old doesn't know neoclassical economics. When we're
talking about a monopoly (which we are effectively talking about here),
allowing the price to rise until supply and demand level off is one of
the most inefficient things that could happen. Unless you think turning
California energy suppliers into another OPEC is a good idea.
>>
You are kidding me right. Obviously right now there is more demand than supply
in California. Right now the State is subsidizing the purchase of electricity
on the spot market because the utilities are bankrupt and the suppliers won't
ship them. If they had allowed the utilities to raise rates per the free
market...then instead of every taxpayer subsidizing the cost of the electricity
the actual users would be paying for what they actually use. Andrew...this is
econ 101. Don't make it any harder than it has to be.
Kent Thaler
Section 321
RickRockett
"T-u-t-o-r" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message
news:3B0BD37F...@nac.net...
Wow you sure showed me!!
Go look at the jets NG T-U-T-O-R. It's been reduced to you, George, Jackie
and Jensen. All the good ones are gone. Driven away by constant trolling and
garbage talk. And yes, I do take some credit for that. Now in good TJF
fasion, tell me how much money you have and try and make me feel inferior by
name calling. Oh you already do those things, my bad!!
RickRockett
"J D Sal45" <jds...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Naren99
less than adequate.
-Naren
Andrew Brecher
KMTHALER wrote:
>
> andrew wrote:
>
> <<Your three-year old doesn't know neoclassical economics. When we're
> talking about a monopoly (which we are effectively talking about here),
> allowing the price to rise until supply and demand level off is one of
> the most inefficient things that could happen. Unless you think turning
> California energy suppliers into another OPEC is a good idea.
> >>
>
> You are kidding me right. Obviously right now there is more demand than supply
> in California. Right now the State is subsidizing the purchase of electricity
> on the spot market because the utilities are bankrupt and the suppliers won't
> ship them.
I didn't say I like this solution either. :)
If they had allowed the utilities to raise rates per the free
> market...then instead of every taxpayer subsidizing the cost of the electricity
> the actual users would be paying for what they actually use. Andrew...this is
> econ 101. Don't make it any harder than it has to be.
Must have been a while since you've taken econ 101, Kent. If a monopoly
is allowed to raise the rates to whatever point they want, they will
raise it beyond the optimal price, make huge profits, and consumers will
take a bath. This is why antitrust exists, how OPEC screws us over, etc.
Of course the electricity market is too complicated to really fit econ
101 models. And I do agree that prices in CA need to go up (which they
will, according an article I read recently). But deregulating
completely would be a disaster. There isn't a utility industry anywhere
in the world that's completely deregulated, and for good reason.
-Andrew
KMTHALER
<<
Kent, sorry, but your understanding of the California energy crisis is rather
less than adequate.
>>
Gee Naren...I seem to be saying nothing different than what the editorial board
of the Wall Street journal has been advocating for the past year. So both of
us must have an inadequate understanding of such a complex problem as fixed
consumer rates and floating wholesale prices. Remind me to laugh at the
brilliance of Californians who know everything next time they can't read the NG
because they are stuck in a rolling blackout.
KMTHALER
<<
Must have been a while since you've taken econ 101, Kent.>>
- 17 years...yikes I am old <g>
<< If a monopoly
is allowed to raise the rates to whatever point they want, they will
raise it beyond the optimal price, make huge profits, and consumers will
take a bath. This is why antitrust exists, how OPEC screws us over, etc.>>
Your concern is only valid is cases when Supply exceeds demand. The problem
California has is as follows (Naren...if I am way off you can correct me)
Currently there is an inadequate supply of homegrown and imported electricity
to the State of California. This is due in part to a lack of generating
plants, a drought in Northern California which has lessened Hydro supplies, and
a NIMBY movement which has stiffled the erection of new generating facilities.
So California utilities were forced to go on the open market and buy
electricity from outside sources. This market is dergulated. The California
utilities purchased electricity from these sources like Enron at current market
values. The problem came because California law capped the cost of wholesale
electricity. Therefore when the wholesale price of electricity on the spot
market became more expensive than the retail price charged to consumers the
major utilities ran out of money. When they ran out of money the third party
suppliers stopped shipping them power because they are not in the business of
not being paid for servbices rendered. It should be pointed oput that even
though Californians are amoung the best conservers of electricity int he
counrty...because there are more Californians than anyone else they use more
electricity on the whole. So complaining about a cartel is useless. The
problem here is the consumers are paying less than the suppliers are for the
same product. In no economic model is that good. California knew they were in
the midst of this problem 14 months ago. Yet they did nothing. The Wall
Street Journal has run article after article, editorial after editorial
lamblasting the Gray administrations handling of this crisis. They have been
clueless. The simplest way to end the immediate crisis is to let the price of
retail electricity float to real market levels. It will force more
conservation but more importantly it will make the utilities solvent again and
allow outside suppliers to reopen the pipelines. BTW, you do know that the
retail price of electricity per kilowatt hour is cheaper in California right
now than it is in any NE state or NY or NJ. BTW, in NE, NY, NJ there is no
power crisis and there is no fixed price cap. They are regulated but they have
the ability to charge shortage surcharges just for these emergencies.
<<Of course the electricity market is too complicated to really fit econ
101 models. And I do agree that prices in CA need to go up (which they
will, according an article I read recently). But deregulating
completely would be a disaster. There isn't a utility industry anywhere
in the world that's completely deregulated, and for good reason.
>>
- No market is too complicated to fit a supply and demand model. It only
becomes complicated when outside forces attempt to intervene and create false
ceilings/stability. Deregulation would only be a disaster if the spot market
was regulated. Then we would ahve the OPEC like cartel gouging you are
complaining about. As long as both markets float...deregulation is the only
option on the retail front. As for prices in CA...I think it is a travesty
that the citizens of CA are aborbing $13 bill in bonds to pay for short term
electic buys. It is quite clear there are certain industries in CA that use a
disproportionate amount of the electricity...Silicone Valley for example...yet
all citizens are effectively paying for it through the general treasurery.
Gray should have been impeached for that bit of incompetance alone.
Kent Thaler
Andrew Brecher
a realiable source of information. They have a long history of twisting
facts to suit their polemics and distorting reality to fit their biases.
-Andrew
KMTHALER
<<
Kent, hate to break it to you, but the WSJ editorial page is not exactly
a realiable source of information. They have a long history of twisting
facts to suit their polemics and distorting reality to fit their biases.
>>
- Gee I feel the same way about the NYT and Washington Post...yet I think of
the WSJ as being the gospell. Imagine that.
Andrew Brecher
KMTHALER wrote:
>
> Andrew wrote:
> << If a monopoly
> is allowed to raise the rates to whatever point they want, they will
> raise it beyond the optimal price, make huge profits, and consumers will
> take a bath. This is why antitrust exists, how OPEC screws us over, etc.>>
>
> Your concern is only valid is cases when Supply exceeds demand. The problem
> California has is as follows (Naren...if I am way off you can correct me)
(deleted)
Your description is basically on target, but you missed the whole start
of this saga. Don't forget that this whole thing started with with the
the deregulation plan. Before then, like most states, everything in the
power business was pretty well regulated top to bottom. Recently a few
states (don't know specifically about MA/NY/NJ) realized that you can
separate generation from transmission/distribution, so if you can get a
competitive market in generation then the government only needs to deal
with actually getting into people's homes and business.
California politics being as dysfunctional as they are, of course, they
mucked it up completely. You can't have competition if supply is
inadequate- producers just raise their prices through the roof, and the
consumers get screwed until enough generators come on line to push
prices down. That's why they put in a price cap in the first place.
Except that what the Californians forgot is to make sure there would be
enough incentives to build capacity in the meantime.
(Remember without the dereg plan you wouldn't need a cap as the
regulators set the prices themselves. Inefficient, but doesn't cause
any major problems. And there wouldn't be a major supply problem since
the government would guarantee a certain rate of return for investors)
The point here is that California wouldn't need to buy power from
out-of-state if they hadn't screwed it up in the first place. Yes, the
Governor shouldn't have let it get out of hand, but it was a problem
that he inherited from the previous administration.
> <<Of course the electricity market is too complicated to really fit econ
> 101 models. And I do agree that prices in CA need to go up (which they
> will, according an article I read recently). But deregulating
> completely would be a disaster. There isn't a utility industry anywhere
> in the world that's completely deregulated, and for good reason.
> >>
>
> - No market is too complicated to fit a supply and demand model. It only
> becomes complicated when outside forces attempt to intervene and create false
> ceilings/stability. Deregulation would only be a disaster if the spot market
> was regulated. Then we would ahve the OPEC like cartel gouging you are
> complaining about. As long as both markets float...deregulation is the only
> option on the retail front.
The spot market is not important. Once you've gotten to point where you
depend on the spot market you've already lost it- that's why I agree
with you that they should have seen this coming a year ago. There's
just not enough surplus power in the rest of the Western Grid for
California to rely on.
-Andrew
Andrew Brecher
KMTHALER wrote:
>
> andrew wrote:
>
> <<
> Kent, hate to break it to you, but the WSJ editorial page is not exactly
> a realiable source of information. They have a long history of twisting
> facts to suit their polemics and distorting reality to fit their biases.
> >>
>
> - Gee I feel the same way about the NYT and Washington Post...yet I think of
> the WSJ as being the gospell. Imagine that.
So forget the editorial pages and actually read some real news.
-Andrew
KMTHALER
<<
The spot market is not important. Once you've gotten to point where you
depend on the spot market you've already lost it- that's why I agree
with you that they should have seen this coming a year ago. There's
just not enough surplus power in the rest of the Western Grid for
California to rely on. >>
I see our difference now. You are concerned with the power supply. I am
concerned with who is going to pay for it. Your assumption/complaint is that
there is a shortage fo power. My contention is that is irrelevant to the
issue. I am bitching about the way California has gone about paying for the
electricity because that is where the entire problem lies. By artificially
keeping the retail prices low there was never an incentive to build pwoer
generating plants (esp. witht he strength of NIMBY proponents). There would
have been no incentive with go\vernment regulation either. The only way this
problem could ver have ben averted is with complete deregulation. BTW, it
mght have meant Californians paying the same as me per KWH.
KMTHALER
<<So forget the editorial pages and actually read some real news.
>>
An old Liberal college professor of mine once told me that no matter what the
liberals say the only true bastion of real news in the US is the WSJ because
the people who read it are the ones responsible for the money supply.
All papers like the Boston Globe, NYT, Washington Post, USA Today and other
bird cage liners do is propagate communism, gossip and junk science. But that
is okay because the times Bridge section is the best in the country.
LdoubleE80
>Date: 5/23/01 6:25 AM Eastern
>How successful was Wannstedt as a Head Coach. In his first year with the
>Bears
>he made the playoffs with a Mike Ditka inherited team... they haven't made
>the
>playoffs since.
>Bob Jensen
>
You said the Jets would win the division in 99 and 2000. They didn't. You're
predicting them to win again...see the parallel?
Josh
While I am worried about Hackett's new offense, I think your Patriots
examples could just as easily be explained by the schedule. Arizona
gives up many TDs to everyone. In 2000, most of the early sacks were
by the Jets and Bucs -- the pass protection improved in the second half
of the season because the rest of the schedule was softer.
To my untrained eyes, Kevin Faulk's complete inability to pick up the
blitz was more responsible for the Patriots' sack troubles than the
offensive scheme they used. A RB who can run _and_ pick up blitzes
would probably help their pass protection more than all of the linemen
that the they have been drafting.
Luckily for the Jets, Curtis Martin is one of the best in the league
at picking up blitzes. If it weren't for Martin the Jets offensive
line wouldn't look nearly so good. Also, Testaverde does a good job
of moving around in the pocket (he needs the extra time to find the
right DB to throw to). Bledsoe could stand some improvement in that
area.
buster55
"Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message news:3B0BBC33...@nac.net...
> another Pats troll rears his head. Hello Buster, good to see you.
>
> buster55 wrote:
>
> > Become a troll? When wasn't he?
> >
> > "BlackFly" <blac...@tjf.com> wrote in message
> > news:tgkppd1...@corp.supernews.com...> > > > Sorry JD. I'm not as deeply affected by Bob's posts as you. For
now I
> > > will stick
> > > > to replying in here to Vichet's infantile trolling in the Jets NG.
Tit
> > > for tat.
> > >
> > > Ahhh! Tutor. I thought you were much bigger than this. You are now
reduced
> > > to what you abhor in your group. You are now a troll. One of our
> > co-horts!!
> > > Welcome.
> > > Problem is the intelligent talk in here will outweigh any trolling.
Unlike
> > > the waste land that the Jets NG has become
> > >
> > >
>
buster55
Turner wasn't a great run blocker, but was the best I've seen in awhile at
picking up blitzers. No back on the current pats has shown me much in that
area.
"Josh" <hoof.f...@dr.com> wrote in message news:m27kz78...@dr.com...
JMG
- John
"buster55" <bust...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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> irony
>
> "JMG" <jo...@jets.com> wrote in message
> news:kKCO6.34796$MR1.5...@news02.optonline.net...
> > Intelligent talk from a low life jackass like you?
> >
> > - John
Maine;TWLSB
> You and Dicky Rockett...how cute. Birds of a feather....
>
George, The Jets NG true Renascence Man. All those smarts and a Dr. for a
wife! Hey did you know she is black?
Andrew Brecher
KMTHALER wrote:
>
> Andrew wrote:
>
> <<
> The spot market is not important. Once you've gotten to point where you
> depend on the spot market you've already lost it- that's why I agree
> with you that they should have seen this coming a year ago. There's
> just not enough surplus power in the rest of the Western Grid for
> California to rely on. >>
>
> I see our difference now. You are concerned with the power supply. I am
> concerned with who is going to pay for it. Your assumption/complaint is that
> there is a shortage fo power.
And the Republicans' too, given all their talk of an energy shortage/crisis.
-Andrew
Tutor
J D Sal45 wrote:
> Tutor wrote:
>
> >How special is this? Pratt and Rockett making love to each other in public!
> >Two of New England's finest citizens.
2d draft:
Two of the New England Patriot's finest fans.
>
>
> Hey, Tutor, FYI Pratt lives in Florida, which I believe is sorta like New
> York-South....far more like NYC than New England.
>
> J D Sal.
In one respect thats true. There are lots of Jets fans in southern Florida.
More Jets fans than Pats fans.
Tutor
"Maine;TWLSB" wrote:
Hadn't heard that. I'll be damned.
Tutor
RickRockett wrote:
> "T-u-t-o-r" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message
> news:3B0BD37F...@nac.net...
> >
> >
> > Little Napolean wrote:
> >
> > > "Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message
> > >
> > > .> I don't change my screen name.
> > >
> > > Probably because you don't know how!!
> > >
> > > >You and Pratt obviously are desperate for attention as >evidenced by
> your
> > > attempts to
> > > > evade killfiles by perpetually changing screen names.
> > >
> > > Just to screw up your NG, Now you're getting it!! Nothing much gets by
> you
> > > does it old boy?
> >
> > Screw up a NG???? Delusions of grandeur! The ng's will always have
> trolls.
> > Giving yourself credit for the actions of others therein is demented.
> Like I
> > said earlier, better go back to taking your meds. Your little green beret
> > napoleonic complex has re-surfaced.
>
> Wow you sure showed me!!
> Go look at the jets NG T-U-T-O-R. It's been reduced to you, George, Jackie
> and Jensen. All the good ones are gone. Driven away by constant trolling and
> garbage talk. And yes, I do take some credit for that.
Just add that one to your list of life's accomplishments.
J D Sal45
>While I am worried about Hackett's new offense, I think your Patriots
>examples could just as easily be explained by the schedule. Arizona
>gives up many TDs to everyone. In 2000, most of the early sacks were
>by the Jets and Bucs -- the pass protection improved in the second half
>of the season because the rest of the schedule was softer.
I don't see your point here...the Pats gave up 20 sacks in 3 games to start the
year...yes they played the Bucs, but they also played the Jets, who weren't a
playoff team. Besides, they played the Jets again during the last 13 games I
mentioned.....additionally, they played Miami twice in the last 13 games...and
they had a great defense. They also played Denver and Buffalo twice, who had
good defense and Marcellus Wiley. I don't see much difference in the schedule.
I stick to my explanation that the Pats improved their pass protection as the
season progressed.
I'd worry about Testaverde and/or Pennington in a Hackett-type system.
J D Sal.
buster55
"J D Sal45" <jds...@aol.com> wrote in message
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JMG01
You can take the man out of the trailer, but never the trailer
out of the man.
Exhibit A: Dicky Rockett
- John
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patriots
JMG" <jo...@jets.com> wrote in message
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> You and Dicky Rockett...how cute. Birds of a feather....
>
You know what's funny Jackie. I think the same holds true for
you and
George, The Jets NG true Renascence Man. All those smarts
and a Dr. for a
wife! Hey did you know she is black?
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Andrew Brecher
Josh wrote:
> The Pats gave up 19 sacks in the Bucs and Jets games, and 25 in the
> rest. The worst game was the second Jets game which was week 7. When
> the Patriots faced teams with multiple pass rushers who deserve double
> teams, like TB or the Jets when Abraham was healthy,
Why not include Miami? Or KC? Or even Detroit? (Porcher is much better
than Abraham, at least at this point)
Josh
Here are the stats from
http://sports.nfl.com/2000/playerlogs?id=186&season=2000
Opponent Sacks
vs Buccaneers 6
at Jets 6
vs Vikings 3
at Dolphins 2
at Broncos 3
vs Colts 3
vs Jets 7
at Colts 0
vs Bills 3 *
at Browns 4
vs Bengals 1
at Lions 2
vs Chiefs 3
at Bears 2
at Bills 1 **
vs Dolphins 1 ***
* Friesz play most of this game, so I had to get the stats
from http://sports.nfl.com/2000/playerlogs?id=803&season=2000
** I think the Bills were heavily injured at this point.
*** Wasn't this game played in a snowstorm?
1st half sacks/game: 3.75
1st half sacks/game without Bucs/Jets: 2.2
2nd half sacks/game: 2.125
The Pats gave up 19 sacks in the Bucs and Jets games, and 25 in the
rest. The worst game was the second Jets game which was week 7. When
the Patriots faced teams with multiple pass rushers who deserve double
teams, like TB or the Jets when Abraham was healthy, they are left
with the last line of defense -- Kevin Faulk. The result is 6+ sacks
per game.
Do you remember Faulk trying to block Mo Lewis in the second Jets
game? If he just slows Lewis down a little, Bledsoe can throw the
ball away. Instead he dives at Lewis' feet, Lewis easily jumps over
him and Bledsoe gets sacked again. If you replace Faulk with Curtis
Martin, that play will be completely different.
You guys need a complete back who is not a liability on any play.
Maybe the guy that Buster55 mentioned will work out. If he does, it
will help your OL more than whatever system Weis uses. All I know is
that no line or system will make Faulk into a complete RB.
> I'd worry about Testaverde and/or Pennington in a Hackett-type system.
Like I said, I am worried about Hackett. I'm just glad Testaverde and
Pennington are surrounded by good talent.
Maine;TWLSB
"JMG01" <jo...@jets.com> wrote in message
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> You mean Renaissance?
>
> You can take the man out of the trailer, but never the trailer
> out of the man.
>
> Exhibit A: Dicky Rockett
>
> - John
Of course Jackie, being from the dumpland of America, you wouldn't realize
that both spellings are acceptable and in fact, the literal meaning of the
spelling that I utilized, captures the essence of description that was
merited . Slink back into your TJF hole, you've been properly T-U-T-O-R'd, I
mean bitch slapped!!
JMG
I will eat my humble pie...this time Dicky. Nice utilization of the
thesaurus. To be bested by the lowest form of protozoa is indeed
embarrassing. Even Manny Ramirez has to make an out sooner or later.
Now if you could only find your teeth we could possibly distinguish you from
the rest of the inhabitants of the Mountainview Trailer Park.
- John
"Maine;TWLSB" <rock...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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Josh
You're right about Miami although I think the weather slowed down
their pass rush in the second game. Their defense is overrated
anyway. Also, while it may just be my Jets bias showing, I think
Ellis and Abraham could be the best pass rushing duo since Neil Smith
and Derrick Thomas. I'm sure all of you Pats fans will agree with me
on that. Right?
Maine;TWLSB
"JMG" <jo...@jets.com> wrote in message
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> I stand corrected.
>
> I will eat my humble pie...this time Dicky. Nice utilization of the
> thesaurus. To be bested by the lowest form of protozoa is indeed
> embarrassing. Even Manny Ramirez has to make an out sooner or later.
>
> Now if you could only find your teeth we could possibly distinguish you
from
> the rest of the inhabitants of the Mountainview Trailer Park.
>
> - John
I'm impressed, John. And I never thought I'd say that.
JMG
As hard as it may be...did it have to be YOU? <g>
- John
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