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Seahawks special teams may be a problem....for them

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Fgssand

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Oct 11, 2004, 8:19:48 PM10/11/04
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Reading their group and newspapers it appears that they have no return game at
all and are really horrible kicking as well. Their kickoffs tend to be very
short on a regular basis, barely making the 20 yard line. Add to that the fact
that evidently their punter was injured and they are trying to find one now?

Seems to me, we may just have a huge advanatge over them here in all facets of
"teams". We have been in process of fixing some our problems (like coverage).
Maybe, just maybe, Bellichick benched Bethel this past week to really get him
pissed off and ready to rock similar to last year ?

Frank

PlainOldEd

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Oct 11, 2004, 8:42:52 PM10/11/04
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"Fgssand" <fgs...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Maybe, just maybe, Bellichick benched Bethel this past week to really get
> him
> pissed off and ready to rock similar to last year ?
>
> Frank

My take on the Bethel situation is Bethel was injured but BB didn't want
Miami knowing we were so short at WR so he didn't list him on the injury
report. When he couldn't play BB had to say "coaches decision" because to
admit an injury would be to invite a fine from the league.

poe(believes the Govt. has tiny cameras in his home)


Patriots@yahoo.com All Patriots

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Oct 11, 2004, 11:30:53 PM10/11/04
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"Fgssand" <fgs...@aol.com> wrote in message
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BB picked up a few players for special teams this year and they / we still
could use some help in that area. I haven't seen the special teams play of
the Seahawks but I doubt we have a big advantage in that area.

>
> Frank


dscotts

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Oct 12, 2004, 8:59:03 PM10/12/04
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PlainOldEd wrote:
> My take on the Bethel situation is Bethel was injured but BB didn't want
> Miami knowing we were so short at WR so he didn't list him on the injury
> report. When he couldn't play BB had to say "coaches decision" because to
> admit an injury would be to invite a fine from the league.
>
the only problem with that is the Pats had been warned last year and are
on probation, so to speak, when it comes to hiding injuries or
generalized injury reports such as a knee called a leg problem. makes it
a stretch to think BB is up to his old tricks in such a blatant way.
also, by all accounts, Bethel practice all week and you are also
mandated to report if a player does not compete in all 11 on 11 drills
in practice Wed, Thur, or Fri. he was not on any of those reports to the
league as well, so if BB is trying to get away with something, he is
really going out on a limb, which seems doubtful for a player of
Bethel's middle tier, strategic status. there is more to this than we
will ever know. plus, when asked after the game a few times over, the
horses mouth said 'a coache's decision.' without further inside scoops,
I think we are forced to accept BB's explanation as to him just being an
inactive this week. but again, as to why the particulars, we may never
know unless Bethel talks at some point.

ScottLK

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Oct 12, 2004, 10:20:52 PM10/12/04
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"dscotts" <getlost...@metro.com> wrote in message
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Bethel is supposed to have a wrist problem. He could still play practice
decoy ......... BB is canny enough to pull this stunt. Absent that, it's
discipline. It worries me that Johnson is not even keeping up with his
rookie progress and appears (on limited evidence) to have 'slipped' from
2003. As to talking , eventually this stuff comes out.

Scott


micha...@yahoo.com

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Oct 14, 2004, 6:33:41 PM10/14/04
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AkreM wrote:
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> Thanks Frank, classy post.
>
> After a realizing a few things yesterday and this morning. I changed my mind
> on the outcome of the game.
>


> I think our Hawks will score 40 or so points against your team. :)~
>

> Long story on why I say this but again, thanks for the classy post.

Hm, did the realization come with the aid of some moldy cheese? A reason
or two for such a bold prediction never hurts.

The Patriots defense is not going to allow any NFL team to score 40 pts
in New England this season. You'd have to dig to find many teams who
scored 40 at NE in the last decade. Last time I recall was a Pete
Carroll coached team.

1998 NE 10 ATL 41

BTW, the last recent team who scored 35+ in New England lost.

2002 NE 41 KC 38

If Seattle really thinks they can win this matchup they knows its by
grinding out a defensive type win. A defensive battle mixed with running
the ball 35/40 times. Keeping Brady off the field and controlling the
clock. Wearing down NE's defense. Making them adjust by bringing a guy
up to help with the run then open up some play action.

I have my doubts Holmgren would even comit to that type of running game.
He knows Alexander has a tendency to go down quick if the game is very
hard hitting. Add that to the fact Alexander doesn't rush 30+ times in a
game often. Only 3 games in his entire career has he done that (all in
2001 season) . I've watched Alexander since his rookie year and I'll
attest to the fact he's amazingly efficient in the redzone. Yet mid
field, or in his own zone he falls down on the carpet if he see's a big
hit coming more than any so-called big back in the NFL. I'm sure Shaun
will get smacked in the mouth a few times by Harrison and Bruschi to
test his resolve in this game.

We'll see who comes away with a win after this game. I just am quite
confident it won't be a box score showing 40 or so pts by the Seattle
Seahawks.


>
> Good luck to you and yours
>
> AkreM
>
>
>
>

Fgssand

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Oct 13, 2004, 6:08:17 PM10/13/04
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>Subject: Re: Seahawks special teams may be a problem....for them
>From: "All Patriots" AllPa...@yahoo.com
>Date: 10/11/2004 11:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <NdIad.298$HX6.5...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

The "stats" speak for themselves, as I said, their kickoffs are short, their
punter limped off in the 4th quarter and may not be available at all, their
returns and coverage sucks.
Big edge for Patriots this week.

Frank

dscotts

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Oct 13, 2004, 6:46:00 PM10/13/04
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ScottLK wrote:
> Bethel is supposed to have a wrist problem. He could still play
> practice decoy ......... BB is canny enough to pull this stunt.
> Absent that, it's discipline. It worries me that Johnson is not even
> keeping up with his rookie progress and appears (on limited evidence)
> to have 'slipped' from 2003. As to talking , eventually this stuff
> comes out.
>
it doesn't matter if he has a hangnail, to scratch a player because of
an previous undisclosed injury, again of any kind, is the violation and
with the Pats past I would imagine the league might take exception and
set an example. not worth it for Bethel, Brady maybe, but not a #5
(talent and proficiency wise) WR.

Felger has a suggestion:
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sportsNews/view.bg?articleid=80374

Biggest disappointment: Bethel Johnson. Word from the locker room was
that Johnson's deactivation on Sunday was in response to a poor attitude
shown during the week. According to sources, Johnson expressed
displeasure over a new set of plays he was asked to learn. The coaches
responded by sitting Johnson and playing street free-agent Kevin Kasper,
even though he wasn't ready to play with the regular offense.

In April, the receiver spoke confidently about learning from his rookie
mistakes and having a solid second season. When asked what he took from
his benching against Jacksonville last year, Johnson said: "I learned
when you have the opportunity to be out there, you can't take it for
granted. ... My goal is to be more professional on the field."

Apparently, Johnson hasn't lived up to his words, and after Sunday's
game, Bill Belichick equated his status to the likes of Gene Mruczkowski
and Ethan Kelley, the 52nd and 53rd players on the roster. Ouch.

Don't be surprised to see Johnson back in uniform this week.

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