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Frez

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Nov 1, 2003, 8:31:31 PM11/1/03
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What is a "true" freshman and why is it so
important that the announcers apply the label?

Thanks


J D Sal45

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Nov 1, 2003, 8:43:03 PM11/1/03
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Frez wrote:

Its a freshman like a normal college freshman, in other words his first year in
college, right out of high school.

This is opposed to a "redshirt freshman" who does not play football his
freshman year, but only practices and under NCAA rules retains 4 years of
eligibility. When he starts playing in what is in reality his sophomore year
(or would be to any normal college student) he is a "redshirt freshman."

J D Sal

Frez

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Nov 1, 2003, 9:03:51 PM11/1/03
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Redshirt...that would've been my other question.
Good explanation.
Thanks JD

Frez


Hob...@calvinball.com

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Nov 1, 2003, 11:11:03 PM11/1/03
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Frez wrote:
> What is a "true" freshman and why is it so
> important that the announcers apply the label?

Means he actually started college that year. Some people redshirt and then
play the freshman football year in thier second year of college, after
wiping out a ton of core classes.


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Hob...@calvinball.com

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Nov 1, 2003, 11:13:53 PM11/1/03
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Frez wrote:
> Redshirt...that would've been my other question.
> Good explanation.
> Thanks JD

You can redshirt one year. Doesn't matter which year, IIRC. Gives you 4
years of playing time and 5 years to complete a degree. Getting a degree
while playing NCAA football is rough - so many hours of practice, travel,
and gameplay; on top of rules about working, minimum credits, and minimum
grade point average.

Frez

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Nov 2, 2003, 6:37:50 AM11/2/03
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Can a student redshirt himself if he enters
college on a football scholarship?


Dsweeny9194

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Nov 2, 2003, 8:00:04 AM11/2/03
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>Can a student redshirt himself if he enters
>college on a football scholarship?

It's usually the coach's decision. The 2 most common reasons to redshirt are:
1) he's an in coming freshman but the team is currently all set at the position
so why waste a year of eligibility if you aren't gonna play and 2) injury.

John G

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Nov 2, 2003, 12:24:40 PM11/2/03
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Students (Players) don't make the call. The Coaches make the decision
who redshirts and who plays. But yes, scholarship players are
redshirted.

FYI, a team can intend on redshirting a player, but late in the season
may have to play that player, usually due to injuries. That player
loses his redshirt for that year (but he can be redshirted later by
sitting out a subsequent year and retain that year of eligibility).

Hob...@calvinball.com

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Nov 2, 2003, 12:35:33 PM11/2/03
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Frez wrote:
> Can a student redshirt himself if he enters
> college on a football scholarship?

Depends on the scholarship - each school is different. Most will let you
redshirt though. You just have to practice without suiting up, and you
have to do some minimum amount of credit hours. I got a 780 math on my
SAT's and did a math scholarship; and I had to do a certain amount of
credits, keep a B average, and take a certain amount of math classes.
Through calc 4 and Dif Eq IIRC. Colleges know the students were picked
for physical ability and not scholastic, and they know that being on the
football team will take about 30 hours per week. They make it doable
without too much pain. What bothers the hell out of me is that a college
student cannot be given money or gifts by the school. The players are the
reason 90,000 people come every weekend and pay $50/ticket and buy $50 worth
of hot dogs and beer. Generates tens of millions for the school. And if
the school makes it to a good bowl game - the Bowl will write a check for
another 5 - 10 million or so to the school. Someone once mentioned to me
that a Sugar Bowl or Orange Bowl appearance can generate up to $30M for a
college. All this income, and the players don't get a fucking penny. Yet,
the players give up 30-40 hours to the sport, on top of what they already
spend doing classes and homework. Where the fuck does NCAA think the player
will find time to take a part time job?!?!?! Sure, buying the kid a new
Corvette so he will choose your school is uncool, but cut each player
$5/hour or something for each hour he spends doing practice, travelling for
the school, and playing the games. Hell, even I got paid by my school to
be a student teacher in the math lab and the data processing lab. NCAA is a
fucked up sanctioning body at times. OK, I'm done venting.

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