This is mildly interesting - WMDs found in Iraq
MikeC
WASHINGTON - The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq
since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be
uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.
"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons,"
Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference
late Wednesday afternoon.
Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground
Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum
said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500
weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent.
Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical
munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are
assessed to still exist."
He added that the report warns about the hazards that the chemical
weapons could still pose to coalition troops in Iraq.
"The purity of the agents inside the munitions depends on many factors,
including the manufacturing process, potential additives and
environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time,
chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal,"
Santorum read from the document.
"This says weapons have been discovered, more weapons exist and they
state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone, that there are continuing
threats from the materials that are or may still be in Iraq," said Rep.
Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
The weapons are thought to be manufactured before 1991 so they would
not be proof of an ongoing WMD program in the 1990s. But they do show
that Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been
destroyed, and it shows that years of on-again, off-again weapons
inspections did not uncover these munitions.
Hoekstra said the report, completed in April but only declassified now,
shows that "there is still a lot about Iraq that we don't fully
understand."
Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the
information since April or earlier, didn't advertise it, Hoekstra
conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and
concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq.
Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior
Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were
not in useable conditions.
"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the
official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and
the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which
this country went to war."
The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of
weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly
sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say
something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report does suggest
that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may
have been used outside Iraq.
He also said that the Defense Department statement shortly after the
March 2003 invasion saying that "we had all known weapons facilities
secured," has proven itself to be untrue.
"It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," he said, adding
that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been
uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them.
Hoekstra and Santorum lamented that Americans were given the impression
after a 16-month search conducted by the Iraq Survey Group that the
evidence of continuing research and development of weapons of mass
destruction was insignificant. But the National Ground Intelligence
Center took up where the ISG left off when it completed its report in
November 2004, and in the process of collecting intelligence for the
purpose of force protection for soldiers and sailors still on the
ground in Iraq, has shown that the weapons inspections were incomplete,
they and others have said.
"We know it was there, in place, it just wasn't operative when
inspectors got there after the war, but we know what the inspectors
found from talking with the scientists in Iraq that it could have been
cranked up immediately, and that's what Saddam had planned to do if the
sanctions against Iraq had halted and they were certainly headed in
that direction," said Fred Barnes, editor of The Weekly Standard and a
FOX News contributor.
"It is significant. Perhaps, the administration just, they think they
weathered the debate over WMD being found there immediately and don't
want to return to it again because things are otherwise going better
for them, and then, I think, there's mindless resistance to releasing
any classified documents from Iraq," Barnes said.
The release of the declassified materials comes as the Senate debates
Democratic proposals to create a timetable for U.S. troops to withdraw
from Iraq. The debate has had the effect of creating disunity among
Democrats, a majority of whom shrunk Wednesday from an amendment
proposed by Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts to have troops to be
completely withdrawn from Iraq by the middle of next year.
At the same time, congressional Republicans have stayed highly united,
rallying around a White House that has seen successes in the last
couple weeks, first with the death of terror leader Abu Musab
al-Zarqawi, then the completion of the formation of Iraq's Cabinet and
then the announcement Tuesday that another key Al Qaeda in Iraq leader,
"religious emir" Mansour Suleiman Mansour Khalifi al-Mashhadani, or
Sheik Mansour, was also killed in a U.S. airstrike.
Santorum pointed out that during Wednesday's debate, several Senate
Democrats said that no weapons of mass destruction had been found in
Iraq, a claim, he said, that the declassified document proves is
untrue.
"This is an incredibly - in my mind - significant finding. The idea
that, as my colleagues have repeatedly said in this debate on the other
side of the aisle, that there are no weapons of mass destruction, is in
fact false," he said.
As a result of this new information, under the aegis of his
chairmanship, Hoekstra said he is going to ask for more reporting by
the various intelligence agencies about weapons of mass destruction.
"We are working on the declassification of the report. We are going to
do a thorough search of what additional reports exist in the
intelligence community. And we are going to put additional pressure on
the Department of Defense and the folks in Iraq to more fully pursue a
complete investigation of what existed in Iraq before the war,"
Hoekstra said.
Sir Creep
MikeC wrote:
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html
Let's consider the source...
>
>
> WASHINGTON - The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq
> since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be
> uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.
Said two WHAT...? Oh, I get it.
> "We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons,"
> Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference
> late Wednesday afternoon.
And if Santorum says it, well, it's all good.
> Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground
> Intelligence Center,
Now let's be serious. If...and I mean IF WMD were ever truly found in
Iraq (and I'm not talking about 500 grenades), do you think that fact
would get BURIED in a CLASSFIED DOCUMENT? You are a buffoon.
"Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500
> weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent.
So let's see. 500 WMD weapons and 2500 American lives. Looks like at
a 5:1 ratio the fucking WMD are doing their intended job.
Next!
Sir Creep
Al Mundy
"MikeC" <mcast...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html
>
> Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground
> Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum
> said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500
> weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent.
"degraded".
JK
<pbo...@bryantinformation.com> wrote:
>> weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent.
>
>So let's see. 500 WMD weapons and 2500 American lives. Looks like at
>a 5:1 ratio the fucking WMD are doing their intended job.
And each one of those 500 are capable of killing hundreds. You dumb
hippies don't get it. War is purely a cost/benefit affair. You
CANNOT wage war without casualties. We've lost less than 3000 in over
3 1/2 years. We lost more than 3000 in 20 minutes at Omaha Beach!
RipTide
The defense department isn't standing by this claim. And it isn't new.
It's just a Republican talking point heading into November.
Iraq is a disaster and wasn't necessary. 2,500 lives have been wasted.
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Rip
PC
"JK" <n...@way.com> wrote in message
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Actually there are still zero WMDs found in Iraq. Fox (Pravda) News is full
of liars.
Geoff Blankenmeyer
You gonna use it to justify the war. Of course, but then they could
have found a can of Raid and it would have been enough to justify it to
you and the other Fox lemmings
Pack Sea
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sigh, the ignorant forgets to read the article again, headlineboy.
> The defense department isn't standing by this claim.
Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground
Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit,
And it isn't new.
> It's just a Republican talking point heading into November.
Umm yes the fox news neocons bent over for them:
"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the
official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the
rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country
went to war."
---
The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of
weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly sizeable
stash of chemical weapons.
And then lo and behold right back to the UN, they looked for over 16 months
and couldn't find sarin or mustard in a country described as:
"It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," he said
When both sides quit bullshitting get back to me.
AL Mundy
Nope. But I wouldn't put the neighbors garbage on it either.
RipTide
Are you drunk? Don't drink and drive your Malibu dude.
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Rip
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
> On 22 Jun 2006 05:26:06 -0700, "Sir Creep"
> <pbo...@bryantinformation.com> wrote:
> >> weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent.
> >
> >So let's see. 500 WMD weapons and 2500 American lives. Looks like at
> >a 5:1 ratio the fucking WMD are doing their intended job.
> And each one of those 500 are capable of killing hundreds. You dumb
> hippies don't get it.
No, but chemists do; that means they were essentially worthless, which
is no doubt way the White House didn't trumpet this all over the place.
> War is purely a cost/benefit affair. You
> CANNOT wage war without casualties. We've lost less than 3000 in over
> 3 1/2 years. We lost more than 3000 in 20 minutes at Omaha Beach!
Excuse me?
Which drug-induced fantasy gave you that one?
(CFTCL time: that exceeds the likely KIA for the entire allied forces
for the day.)
Mike
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
> >>"degraded".
Raid doesn't degrade in less than about 20 years.
Sarin degrades quickly, but for mustard agents to be degraded, they have
to be REALLLLLY old.
Mike
Al Mundy
<mtfe...@netMAPSONscape.net> wrote in message
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> JK <n...@way.com> wrote:
>> On 22 Jun 2006 05:26:06 -0700, "Sir Creep"
>> <pbo...@bryantinformation.com> wrote:
>
>> >> weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent.
>> >
>> >So let's see. 500 WMD weapons and 2500 American lives. Looks like at
>> >a 5:1 ratio the fucking WMD are doing their intended job.
>
>> And each one of those 500 are capable of killing hundreds. You dumb
>> hippies don't get it.
>
> No, but chemists do; that means they were essentially worthless, which
> is no doubt way the White House didn't trumpet this all over the place.
But intelligence officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of
the subject's sensitive nature, said the weapons were produced before the
1991 Gulf War and there is no evidence to date of chemical munitions
manufactured since then. They said an assessment of the weapons concluded
they are so degraded that they couldn't now be used as designed.
jj
"Al Mundy" <t2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> <mtfe...@netMAPSONscape.net> wrote in message
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>> JK <n...@way.com> wrote:
>>> On 22 Jun 2006 05:26:06 -0700, "Sir Creep"
>>> <pbo...@bryantinformation.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >> weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve
>>> >> agent.
>>> >
>>> >So let's see. 500 WMD weapons and 2500 American lives. Looks like at
>>> >a 5:1 ratio the fucking WMD are doing their intended job.
>>
>>> And each one of those 500 are capable of killing hundreds. You dumb
>>> hippies don't get it.
>>
>> No, but chemists do; that means they were essentially worthless, which
>> is no doubt way the White House didn't trumpet this all over the place.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/nvdkq
>
> But intelligence officials
You mean officials that can do rudimentary arithmetic
LOL
Al Mundy
"jj" <jjs7...@s7dfjsjskkd.com> wrote in message
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And with common sense... if you know what that is.
jj
jj
I'm about 150% sure, einstein
LOL
Al Mundy
Um, sorry, but 150% does NOT = 0
You lose, as usual.
jj
Now THAT is rudimentary arithmetic.
LOL.
foo...@aol.com
Huh? Breaking down your insult, 150% of zero does, in fact, equal
zero.
>You lose, as usual.
LOL
Al Mundy
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Only if you say that jj had zero common sense in the first place.
Well, perhaps you're right, and I was wrong.
JK
wrote:
>> War is purely a cost/benefit affair. You
>> CANNOT wage war without casualties. We've lost less than 3000 in over
>> 3 1/2 years. We lost more than 3000 in 20 minutes at Omaha Beach!
>
>Excuse me?
>
>Which drug-induced fantasy gave you that one?
>
>(CFTCL time: that exceeds the likely KIA for the entire allied forces
>for the day.)
I'm talking about all casualties, not just KIAs.
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
If that is your standpoint, you are wrong on both counts.
According to DoD, there have been over 18000 wounded through June 11, in
addition to over 2500 military deaths. The total is assuredly not less
than 3000.
Further, TOTAL estimated casualties for Omaha for the entire day were
2000.
Had the US taken 3000 casualties in 20 minutes, they would likely have
been forced to withdraw. No invader can lose almost 10% of its forces
in that brief period of time and hope to continue.
Mike
Sir Creep
JK wrote:
> On 22 Jun 2006 05:26:06 -0700, "Sir Creep"
> <pbo...@bryantinformation.com> wrote:
>
> >> weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent.
> >
> >So let's see. 500 WMD weapons and 2500 American lives. Looks like at
> >a 5:1 ratio the fucking WMD are doing their intended job.
>
> And each one of those 500 are capable of killing hundreds.
LMAO.
You dumb
> hippies
Oh, now I'm dumb and a hippie. So anyone who isn't a gung-ho war
monger is a hippie. I'll accept the epithet as a badge of honor. I"ve
never seen a 'hippie' wipe their ass with the Constitution, but those
who call others 'hippies' are using 3-ply at the present point in
history.
don't get it. War is purely a cost/benefit affair. You
> CANNOT wage war without casualties.
No kidding. But apparently you can without a legitimate reason. NOW
who's the buffoon.
We've lost less than 3000 in over
> 3 1/2 years. We lost more than 3000 in 20 minutes at Omaha Beach!
Jesus...listen to yourself. WTF are you doing wasting time typing to
me? Put some grease paint on that face of yours, get the cammies on
and get out there! Or is it your job to root for those doing it from
your easy chair?
Sir Creep
Sir Creep
MikeC wrote:
> "We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons,"
> Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference
> late Wednesday afternoon.
MIke, you undersand Santorum is something like 28% behind in his
district, and is grasping at life-support straws. Presuming you know
politics (hmmmm), I'll assume you know this.
How come you never answered the questions I posed to you re: burying
this info in a classified document? I await...
SC
Sir Creep
MIke, I suggest you review the battles of the Civil War, many of which
one side and/or the other would walk away with over 20% of the troops
lost.
And JK is ignoring the innocent Iraqi casualties in his totals, but I'm
talking crazy hippie talk now. After all, a 4-yr old Iraqi is nothing
more than a 20-yr old Iraqi waiting to happen, and as we know, ALL
Iraqis are enemy combatants. So using transitive reasoning...
SC
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
Not in 20 minutes.
The greatest concentration of destruction known was the battle of Kursk,
and even that didn't see the loss of 10%, much less 20, in less than a
third of an hour.
> And JK is ignoring the innocent Iraqi casualties in his totals, but I'm
> talking crazy hippie talk now. After all, a 4-yr old Iraqi is nothing
> more than a 20-yr old Iraqi waiting to happen, and as we know, ALL
> Iraqis are enemy combatants. So using transitive reasoning...
Which doesn't matter anyway; the reasons for going to war were
fabricated, and (worse) there was no plan for what to do after the
defeat of Saddam.
Mike
Heh
<mtfe...@netMAPSONscape.net> wrote in message
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>
> Which doesn't matter anyway; the reasons for going to war were
> fabricated, and (worse) there was no plan for what to do after the
> defeat of Saddam.
Both of which are obvious to everyone but the most ardent Bush apologists.
AL Mundy
Never heard of Hiroshima or Nagasaki?