Ron Dayne and U of Wisconsin caught cheating
Ace Brandt
Will the scandals ever cease for the residents of Wisconsin?
Sounds just like that WR from down in Florida.
Maybe Dayne and Chmura can cell with each other.
First it has been reported that Wisconsin residents are the biggest
alcoholics, now it looks like they are the biggest crooks. I am sure
NG regulars will some how blame everyone but Dayne.
Oh my, when will it ever end?
MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Heisman Trophy
winner Ron Dayne didn't think twice when a
school booster offered him huge discounts at
his shoe store.
<<snipped>
Dayne is one of 22 Wisconsin football and
men's basketball players identified in a report in the Wisconsin State
Journal that found they received discounts of 25 to 40 percent on
purchases at The Shoe Box and interest-free credit -- both possible
NCAA rules violations
Dick Burger
I know you're a busy man, so let me give you the executive summary of
this rocking tale of corruption.
A shoe store outside of Madison offered a discount to all UW athletes,
everyone from the women's swim team to the fencing squad. The
athletic department found out about it, told the owner to cut it out,
but didn't follow through well enough.
I don't know about you, but I'm shocked, horrified, scandalized.
DB
ps. Dragging Ron Dayne's name into this is comical. "Ford recalls
Explorers because of saftey defect. Ron Dayne Caught Driving Deadly
Vehicle"
pss. The shoe store has gotten millions of dollars, no exaggeration,
of free publicity from this accidental misunderstanding .
On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:21:08 GMT, acbr...@flash.net (Ace Brandt)
wrote:
Thomas Grinnell
Dick Burger <nos...@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Ace,
>
> I know you're a busy man, so let me give you the executive summary of
> this rocking tale of corruption.
>
> A shoe store outside of Madison offered a discount to all UW athletes,
> everyone from the women's swim team to the fencing squad. The
> athletic department found out about it, told the owner to cut it out,
> but didn't follow through well enough.
>
> I don't know about you, but I'm shocked, horrified, scandalized.
>
> DB
>
What's really horrific is the store manager admited that he would give
discounts to ANYONE who asked.
dieter
be shot.
Ace Brandt
Do they do E-business?
I still think Dayne should turn himself in to the legal authorities.
Society should not have to deal with these players getting too good of
discounts.
Harry
percent) to anyone playing UW athletics, later admits he'd offer the same
discount to anyone who walked in the store, and you don't see the difference
between that and someone offered a 99 percent discount by a clerk... right
hand, meet left hand...
Now, let's compare this to SMU... you remember, the school football players
didn't want to leave because they'd take a pay cut in the NFL... I think
you're reaching a bit... must be pretty boring in the boyz group too.
"Ace Brandt" <acbr...@flash.net> wrote in message
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>
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/news/2000/07/11/wisconsin_
infractions_ap/index.html
>
> Will the scandals ever cease for the residents of Wisconsin?
>
> Sounds just like that WR from down in Florida.
> Maybe Dayne and Chmura can cell with each other.
> First it has been reported that Wisconsin residents are the biggest
> alcoholics, now it looks like they are the biggest crooks. I am sure
> NG regulars will some how blame everyone but Dayne.
> Oh my, when will it ever end?
>
> MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Heisman Trophy
> winner Ron Dayne didn't think twice when a
> school booster offered him huge discounts at
> his shoe store.
>
>
>
> <<snipped>
>
> Dayne is one of 22 Wisconsin football and
> men's basketball players identified in a report in the Wisconsin State
> Journal that found they received discounts of 25 to 40 percent on
> purchases at The Shoe Box and interest-free credit -- both possible
> NCAA rules violations
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Todd
in prison for (gasp!) accepting discounts for shoes. What next, the buy
one get one free scandal???? GET A LIFE ACE!
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"Ace Brandt" <acbr...@flash.net> wrote in message
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>
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/news/2000/07/11/wisconsin_
infractions_ap/index.html
>
> MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Heisman Trophy
> winner Ron Dayne didn't think twice when a
> school booster offered him huge discounts at
> his shoe store.
>
Todd
stupid you sound!
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"Ace Brandt" <acbr...@flash.net> wrote in message
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mer...@mind#spring.com
>Are you watching what your posting??!!?! If you were you'd realize how
>stupid you sound!
>
>--
>AK7, gone but not forgotten.
It's what trolls do. Haven't you tumbled to that yet?
Kevin Thomas
store owner gave discounts to *ALL* customers. The reporter who broke this
story pretty much made a fool of himself.
But, heck, I really don't care. I went to college in Texas. If you want to
talk about NCAA infractions and cheating, let's talk about SMU. They're
the only real professional team Dallas has, football-wise. ;-)
Ace Brandt (acbr...@flash.net) wrote:
: Tom,
: Do they do E-business?
: I still think Dayne should turn himself in to the legal authorities.
: Society should not have to deal with these players getting too good of
: discounts.
: >What's really horrific is the store manager admited that he would give
: >
: >
Ace Brandt
on them now, it could hurt them in the long run.
On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:30:47 -0700, "Todd" <todd...@gateway.net>
wrote:
>BIG DEAL. I think all those athletes should spend the rest of their lives
>in prison for (gasp!) accepting discounts for shoes. What next, the buy
>one get one free scandal???? GET A LIFE ACE!
>
>--
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>"Ace Brandt" <acbr...@flash.net> wrote in message
Todd
HARMED?!?!!??!
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Todd
in the hell are you talking about? Forget your Prozac?
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"Ace Brandt" <acbr...@flash.net> wrote in message
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Fred Flintstone
"Todd" <todd...@gateway.net> wrote in message news:8kl92g$3fv$1...@uwm.edu...
> Hurt who?!?!?! NO ONE WAS HARMED IN GIVING THE ATHLETES DISCOUNTS!!!!
What
> in the hell are you talking about? Forget your Prozac?
>
Sounds like the typical "MOMMY!!!!! He got more than me!!!" type of whining
that we would expect from a Cowpattie Phan.
Ace Brandt
<hma...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote:
>geez Ace... Let's see now... a store owner offers a discount (up to 40
>percent) to anyone playing UW athletics, later admits he'd offer the same
>discount to anyone who walked in the store, and you don't see the difference
>between that and someone offered a 99 percent discount by a clerk... right
>hand, meet left hand...
>
>Now, let's compare this to SMU... you remember, the school football players
>didn't want to leave because they'd take a pay cut in the NFL... I think
>you're reaching a bit... must be pretty boring in the boyz group too.
>
Did Dayne go to SMU? I don't think so. SMU has nothing to do with
Dayne's action.
If Dayne would have had to pay full price for his PF Flyers(for you
old guys) sneakers, he wouldn't have had enough money for a nice car.
He would have had to get a job like everyone else. The job would have
made him tired, and he would not have performed as well Saturdays. He
definitely was able to enhance his performance due to the discounts.
The U of W should be put on probation over this flagarant retail
episode.
Dick Burger
wrote:
>Jesus, even if the owner only gave athletes the discount WHO WAS
>HARMED?!?!!??!
The NCAA doesn't want athletes being paid indirectly by boosters.
"Why" is a long story.
This was a minor screw up.
DB
Todd
the athletes are not allowed to work. That's one of the reasons why there
is a lobby to have players paid.
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"Ace Brandt" <acbr...@flash.net> wrote in message
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Harry
"Ace Brandt" <acbr...@flash.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:15:44 -0700, "Harry"
> <hma...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >percent) to anyone playing UW athletics, later admits he'd offer the same
> >discount to anyone who walked in the store, and you don't see the
difference
> >between that and someone offered a 99 percent discount by a clerk...
right
> >hand, meet left hand...
> >
> >Now, let's compare this to SMU... you remember, the school football
players
> >didn't want to leave because they'd take a pay cut in the NFL... I think
> >you're reaching a bit... must be pretty boring in the boyz group too.
> >
> Did Dayne go to SMU? I don't think so. SMU has nothing to do with
> Dayne's action.
Let's see... you're accusing Dayne and the UW of NCAA violations. SMU was
given the death penalty for, uh... NCAA violations. Granted, giving a
student a new corvette is not in the same league as a 25 percent discount on
a pair of shoes. Further, because the discount was offered to all UW
athletics, and because the owner further admitted the same discount was
available for anyone who asked, I'd say the NCAA is probably not going to
far with this one. But we'll see. Who know, UW could be forced to disband
its football team over this one... not.
> If Dayne would have had to pay full price for his PF Flyers(for you
I'm sure UW has a shoe contract that take very good care of its coach and
players.
> old guys) sneakers, he wouldn't have had enough money for a nice car.
Did you ever see the piece of junk Dayne drove while he attended UW? Talk
about embarrassing.
> He would have had to get a job like everyone else. The job would have
Let's see... NCAA regs prevent players from holding jobs during the season.
Wouldn't want to violate NCAA regs now, would we.
> made him tired, and he would not have performed as well Saturdays. He
he must have been tired alot anyways. He was held out of almost 80 percent
of the 4th quarter games. (and still smashed, yes, the University of Texas
alum Ricky Williams rushing record.)
> definitely was able to enhance his performance due to the discounts.
> The U of W should be put on probation over this flagarant retail
> episode.
naw.. make the penalty hurt... ban the program completely.
Ace... let me guess... you write fiction in your off hours....
Arlon Rahn
changed two or three years ago to allow student-athletes to have jobs, you
just can't have one in season. I have known many football players that have
had summer internships and spring Co-Ops while covering the University of
Arizona. Now, there are very strict guidelines on the player's salary and work
environment to make sure he isn't making $20 an hour "to mow the artificial
turf" like guys used to do in the 80s :).
Arlie
Todd wrote:
> THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE JOBS ACE!!!! Lot you know. Under NCAA rules
> the athletes are not allowed to work. That's one of the reasons why there
> is a lobby to have players paid.
>
> --
> AK7, gone but not forgotten.
> "Ace Brandt" <acbr...@flash.net> wrote in message
> news:396e2b96....@news.flash.net...
> > On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:15:44 -0700, "Harry"
> > <hma...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > If Dayne would have had to pay full price for his PF Flyers(for you
> > old guys) sneakers, he wouldn't have had enough money for a nice car.
> > He would have had to get a job like everyone else. The job would have
> > made him tired, and he would not have performed as well Saturdays. He
Karl Arps
might be interested to know that they have blown this issue up to huge
proportions. Yesterday's paper had three or four articles in the Sports
section about Reebokgate. They've been feeding interviews with Dick Bennett
and Barry Alvarez one after the other.
As I read the articles, I believe the discount issue will go away. Clearly
the athletes got a better break at the Shoe Box than I normally do, but not
by much. The 0% interest lines of credit for hundreds of dollars are
slightly more problematic. The owner traditionally helped local Black Earth
folks with free loans when they were in trouble, but not for your average
Madison yuppie. And these players are definitely from Madison, upwardly
mobile, and many will become pros. So that issue is up for discussion.
But the big one has nothing to do with the store's behavior. That is the
one where the athletes traded in University property for store credit so
they could buy personal shoes. In other words, UW-issued Reeboks were
traded in for the preferred Nikes. These shoes did not belong to the
players, so they will probably have to reimburse the Athletic Department.
The Shoe Box carries Reebok and has a
no-receipt-required-for-in-store-credit policy, so they did nothing wrong.
It's theft, not an NCAA violation.
What the WSJ (and I don't mean the Wall St. Journal!) is trying to make into
a big thing is that they said something about this last fall. The UW
anti-cheater guy supposedly checked it out and dismissed it as nothing.
What the UW probably should have done is to warn guys away from the store,
and they didn't.
Unfortunately, the owner of the store is a huge Badger fan and season ticket
holder. He is therefore, in NCAA-speak, a "booster". Since I don't buy
tickets, I could give discounts and not come under scrutiny. But this guy
sets off alarm bells.
BTW, for all of your mortal souls, if you get out on Hwy. 14 west of
Madison, take the time to stop at the Shoe Box. They have the widest
selection of shoes I have ever seen outside of NY, CHI, or LA, and their
prices are really decent. And check out the Bargain Room. Up to 80% off on
slow sellers and refused special orders. And their staff are really nice
folks.
--
Karl Arps
Packer Fan
Kevin Thomas
and now all I hear is excuses. Didn't like how I asked? Wah. I was
supposed to look for some black truck on some street? Wah.
Tyrant (tyr...@my.kingdom) wrote:
: On 13 Jul 2000 13:55:02 -0500, thet...@earth.execpc.com (Kevin
: Thomas) wrote:
: >Ace, you're too funny. If you dug deeper you would have found out that the
: >store owner gave discounts to *ALL* customers. The reporter who broke this
: >story pretty much made a fool of himself.
: >
: >But, heck, I really don't care. I went to college in Texas. If you want to
: >talk about NCAA infractions and cheating, let's talk about SMU. They're
: >the only real professional team Dallas has, football-wise. ;-)
: Does that mean that they could beat the Packers with their backups,
: too?
t
Dick Burger <nos...@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Ace,
>
> I know you're a busy man, so let me give you the executive summary of
> this rocking tale of corruption.
>
> A shoe store outside of Madison offered a discount to all UW athletes,
> everyone from the women's swim team to the fencing squad. The
> athletic department found out about it, told the owner to cut it out,
> but didn't follow through well enough.
>
> I don't know about you, but I'm shocked, horrified, scandalized.
>
> DB
>
> Explorers because of saftey defect. Ron Dayne Caught Driving Deadly
> Vehicle"
>
> pss. The shoe store has gotten millions of dollars, no exaggeration,
> of free publicity from this accidental misunderstanding .
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:21:08 GMT, acbr...@flash.net (Ace Brandt)
> wrote:
>
>
_infractions_ap/index.html
> >
> >Will the scandals ever cease for the residents of Wisconsin?
> >
> >Sounds just like that WR from down in Florida.
> >Maybe Dayne and Chmura can cell with each other.
> >First it has been reported that Wisconsin residents are the biggest
> >alcoholics, now it looks like they are the biggest crooks. I am sure
> >NG regulars will some how blame everyone but Dayne.
> >Oh my, when will it ever end?
> >
> > winner Ron Dayne didn't think twice when a
> > school booster offered him huge discounts at
> > his shoe store.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Dayne is one of 22 Wisconsin football and
> >men's basketball players identified in a report in the Wisconsin State
> >Journal that found they received discounts of 25 to 40 percent on
> >purchases at The Shoe Box and interest-free credit -- both possible
> >NCAA rules violations
What in blue blazes does this (and following in thread) post have to do with
this newsgroup?
>
Todd
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"Tyrant" <tyr...@my.kingdom> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:30:26 -0700, "Todd" <todd...@gateway.net>
> wrote:
>
> >THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE JOBS ACE!!!! Lot you know. Under NCAA rules
> >the athletes are not allowed to work.
>
> That's incorrect. The NCAA voted in 1997 to allow student-athletes to
> hold jobs, with restrictions.
>
>
>
Dick Burger
<ka...@NOSPAMexecpc.com> wrote:
> And these players are definitely from Madison, upwardly
>mobile, and many will become pros.
Out of the 1500 or so male and female athletes at UW, I bet no more
than 20 will make livings as professional athletes.
>one where the athletes traded in University property for store credit so
>they could buy personal shoes. In other words, UW-issued Reeboks were
>traded in for the preferred Nikes. These shoes did not belong to the
...
>It's theft, not an NCAA violation.
"Theft" in a technical sense. What is the university doing telling
people what brand of shoe do they have to wear walking around on the
street? Sometimes you have to stop and think how ludicrous things
have gotten. College kids are supposed to be amateurs, not allowed
to make any money off their time or talents, and on the other hand
their supposed to be walking billboards for the college's marketing
program.
I think anybody who didn't exchange their Reeboks for Nike's, if
that's what they really wanted to wear, are weenies.
>BTW, for all of your mortal souls, if you get out on Hwy. 14 west of
>Madison, take the time to stop at the Shoe Box.
No! No! No! Don't go to the Shoe Box - half of their shoes are
really "previously owned" models and smell like sweat socks.
If you insist on going, you can easily find the place by taking
highway 12 south of Madison. It's by the side of the road, you can't
miss it, but if If you get to the Playboy Club in Lake Geneva, you
went too far.
DB
(Sorry Karl, but that guy has gotten way too much free publicity out
of this deal.)
Thomas Grinnell
http://www.thecapitaltimes.com/news_shoefamily_071300.htm
Ace Brandt <acbr...@flash.net> wrote in message
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Dustan Setner
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:04:17 GMT, Arlon Rahn <arl...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Actually, you can have a job. This is a common misconception. The rules
were
> >changed two or three years ago to allow student-athletes to have jobs,
you
> >just can't have one in season. I have known many football players that
have
> >had summer internships and spring Co-Ops while covering the University of
> >Arizona. Now, there are very strict guidelines on the player's salary and
work
> >environment to make sure he isn't making $20 an hour "to mow the
artificial
> >turf" like guys used to do in the 80s :).
>
> alligators out of some building (I think it was a gym?).
But, did he do the job? ;)
Brian Curley
says...
Actually it's pretty serious for the basketball team. Their players took
their UW issued Reeboks and "traded them in" at the Shoe Box for other
products. This is a more serious charge and the basketball team is
already on probation. So they could be penalized. The UW will likely
impose it's own penalty on the other athletes and that will satisfy the
NCAA.
--
Brian Curley
Notorious BKC
Karl Arps
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:09:59 -0500, "Karl Arps"
> <ka...@NOSPAMexecpc.com> wrote:
> DB
>
> (Sorry Karl, but that guy has gotten way too much free publicity out
> of this deal.)
Our Public Information Officer told me today about the WSJ writer who ran
this story. We always have trouble with him too, because he writes all of
his stories at the start of an "investigation" and then seeks interviews so
he can get a quote, not to learn anything. Many "journalists" do this, but
this guy is known in Madison as the worst. Word is that he went out to
Black Earth and demanded an interview with the owner on a Saturday. It just
so happened that the owner's daughter was getting married and the owner
didn't have time. The writer threatened to write that the owner refused to
answer questions, talking about "the people's right to know", or some such
nonsense. So he gave him a half an hour. Obviously, no serious
investigation was done for the article. Small wonder that I no longer read
the rag, but look for the Milwaukee J-S when I want to read news.
Karl Arps
news:396f19aa....@news.doit.wisc.edu...
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:09:59 -0500, "Karl Arps"
> <ka...@NOSPAMexecpc.com> wrote:
> >mobile, and many will become pros.
>
> Out of the 1500 or so male and female athletes at UW, I bet no more
> than 20 will make livings as professional athletes.
At least 4 or 5 hockey players every year become pros (not necessarily NHL).
One or two men's and about one women's basketball player every year (not
necessarily NBA). 4 to 8 football players per year (not necessarily NFL).
2 to 4 track and field stars, 1 or 2 soccer players, etc., etc.
Multiply that by 4, so it can be compared to your 1500 athletes, and you
have 56 to 88 eventual pro athletes. However, I was thinking more about the
members of all of the teams, club or supported, who will become doctors,
lawyers, engineers, and scientists. Those, too, are professions. The total
is probably well over 100, so my point about yuppies is still OK.
Karl Arps
>
> Actually it's pretty serious for the basketball team. Their players took
> their UW issued Reeboks and "traded them in" at the Shoe Box for other
> products. This is a more serious charge and the basketball team is
> already on probation. So they could be penalized. The UW will likely
> impose it's own penalty on the other athletes and that will satisfy the
> NCAA.
>
> --
> Brian Curley
> Notorious BKC
I agree that it's much more serious than getting discounts. However, it
will have no effect on their NCAA probation. The NCAA has no rules against
athletes committing misdemeanors or felonies. The theft of the "our" (the
taxpayers') shoes is not an NCAA violation. However, it really pisses off
the average man on the street here in Deerfield. They think it's typical of
University types: arrogant professors, arrogant administrators, arrogant
students, arrogant athletes, arrogant coaches, and all of them overpaid
(including the athletes).
È
Todd <todd...@gateway.net> wrote in message news:8klun6$j8p$1...@uwm.edu...
> I sit corrected! :o)
>
> --
> AK7, gone but not forgotten.
> > On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:30:26 -0700, "Todd" <todd...@gateway.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE JOBS ACE!!!! Lot you know. Under NCAA
rules
> > >the athletes are not allowed to work.
> >
> > That's incorrect. The NCAA voted in 1997 to allow student-athletes to
> > hold jobs, with restrictions.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
SpooRL
>Will the scandals ever cease for the residents of Wisconsin?
Will the Pope ever stop beating beating his wife?
>First it has been reported that Wisconsin residents are the biggest
>alcoholics, now it looks like they are the biggest crooks.
On count #1, I think a plea of "no contest" might be in order. On Count #2,
drunks sort of make lousy crooks (see Count #1); they get caught easily.
>Oh my, when will it ever end?
I doubt it will, Aceflash, though I'd hate to burst yer bubble. Oh my!!
Spoo
jaymar
(Tyrant) wrote:
>
> Hey Fred, the NCAA is touchy about anything that a player might get
> simply because he plays football. Can you guess why? I'm not saying
> that this is a big deal, but it's far from "nothing".
Because it leaves less money for the NCAA?
Hey, if character is an issue in the NFL, shouldn't the Giants cut Ron
Dayne immediately? Let's see: the Packers will have to cut Tauscher, the
Seahawks McIntosh, and who knows how far back this goes?!!!
jaymar
Toby Harrmann
>Hey, if character is an issue in the NFL, shouldn't the Giants cut Ron
>Dayne immediately? Let's see: the Packers will have to cut Tauscher, the
>Seahawks McIntosh, and who knows how far back this goes?!!!
Al Toon will have to unretire and so he can get cut.
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