OT-- Tenet TOTALLY contradicts Condy
VALHALLA
president at ALL in the month before Al Quada attacked the WTC in direct
contradiction to what Rice has said repeatedly.
More lies from someone :
Condaliar Rice made TOTALLY contradictary statements re: the above . Who's
lying ?
NEWSMAX.COM
HEADLINE
Condi: Bush Met Tenet Every Day (Clinton Didn't)
President Bush met with CIA Director George Tenet every single day during the
eight months he was president before the 9/11 attacks, National Security
Advisor Dr. Condoleezza Rice revealed on Friday, noting that the practice was a
shift from the previous administration's policy.
Again--
Tenet says : He NEVER BRIEFED BUSH ONCE in the month before the attacks.
Futhermore :
Condy said Bush MET WITH TENET EVERYDAY
FOXNEWS
quote --
"George Tenet met with the president every morning," "And so if he needed any
more authority from us he would have been right there to ask the president. I
know he wouldn't have been shy about it."
Rice noted the daily meetings between Bush and Tenet represented a policy
change from the Clinton years.
"That's a practice the president re-instituted," she said. "I don't believe
President Clinton met with the DCI every morning. George Tenet met with [this]
president every morning."
--
"President met with Tenet EVERDAY for eight monhts" and " every morning"
according to Condy.
-- CIA Director didn't brief the president "at ALL" during the highest threat
level ever and in the month preceeding 9-11 --according to Tenet himself
Who's lying ?
gopackgo
VALHALLA
>From: Cory seeker#@tds.net
>I know you realize this, but Tenet could be the one that's totally
>lying his ass off, and not Rice.
No actually Cory --at least not on the briefing issue.
See" She said QUOTE " The difference between this president and Clinton is
that
he ( Bush) met with the CIA Director every morning-- " he met with George Tenet
everyday for eight months"
Tenet admitted unde roath that not only did he not brief him everyday .
He didn't brief him onm Aug 6th.
He didn't beief him ONCE in the entore month of August.
He in fact said he did not even TALK to Bush once in the month before AL Quada
hit us on 9-11.
The White House records for the president's schedule back up Tenet's claims and
totally blow Rice's out of the water ...
If these tow thing sdon't match up --where's the perjury charge ?
gopackgo
CrackerDog
news:20040417143239...@mb-m18.aol.com...
>
> He in fact said he did not even TALK to Bush once in the month before AL
Quada
> hit us on 9-11.
>
To be completely accurate this has been amended by the Whitehouse, Tenet met
with Bush once while he was on vacation in Crawford. Besides that, the
testimony supports the fact that Tenet and Bush didn't talk, even on the
telephone. Tenet said he could have called the president any time he felt
like it but he failed to do so even with the knowledge of the arrest of ZM.
Tenet sounds pretty incompetent to me, why is he still employed?
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PCameron
"CrackerDog" <not_again@oh_no.com> wrote in message
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You are forgetting that he tried to take the fall for Bush early on.
CrackerDog
news:p0fgc.86344$z%1.2...@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> You are forgetting that he tried to take the fall for Bush early on.
>
No, I'm not forgetting that. It was a rhetorical question. When the Bush
gang gets desperate enough, he'll still take the fall.
VALHALLA
>No, I'm not forgetting that. It was a rhetorical question. When the Bush
>gang gets desperate enough, he'll still take the fall.
Don't forget Condy STILL said '" the differecne between this president and
Clinton was thet GW Bush met with CIA Director, everyday for eigth months"
EITHER version of the BS perjury-bait revision of Tenet's testimony still
totally refutes Condy's statements--
Where's the perjury charge ?
gopackgo
CrackerDog
per穓u穜y
The deliberate, willful giving of false, misleading, or incomplete testimony
under oath.
1.) First you'd have to prove which of the two was lying. In this
administration, that's often a tough call. :^) I think it's clear that
Condi was a lying whore as the records support Tenet. However...
2.) Then you'd have to prove it was willful and the republicans are really
good at the "I can't recall the exact blah blah blah" game.
IMO, the case wouldn't stick.
Mike Castleberg
"VALHALLA" <valh...@aol.comgopackgo> wrote in message
Thats a great question. If everything you've been saying up till now isn't
complete and utter bullshit, we should be seeing SEVERAL members of the Bush
Cabinet and Bush himself slapped with charges of perjury. Let us know when
that happens.
PCameron
"Mike Castleberg" <som...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:y_adnVzcTve...@centurytel.net...
>
>
> Thats a great question. If everything you've been saying up till now
isn't
> complete and utter bullshit, we should be seeing SEVERAL members of the
Bush
> Cabinet and Bush himself slapped with charges of perjury. Let us know
when
> that happens.
>
Bush hasn't testified under oath and it looks like he won't either. At
least not without Dick Cheney holding his hand the whole time.
VALHALLA
>Thats a great question. If everything you've been saying up till now isn't
>complete and utter bullshit, we should be seeing SEVERAL members of the Bush
>Cabinet and Bush himself slapped with charges of perjury.
Hey Mike are you saying that they didn't contradict each other ?
Are u saying that Tenet's sworn statement do not contradict Rice's statements
on the issue ?
Yes or no ?
gopackgo
VALHALLA
>From: "CrackerDog"
>MO, the case wouldn't stick.
Tenet swore to tell the truth --then -- 5 times said he never met , briefed, or
talked to Bush, once, in August 01 --
Then the CIA revises the guy's sworn statements --says everything Tenet said
one day under oath was in fact false , and that he suddeny remembered another
ENTIRE set of facts about the summer of 01--the next day. Although he won't
swear to it ...
It's pure Orwell.
Under oath : Tenet said he had no contact with Bush even by phone -- Then the
next day he suddenly recalls he DID brief Bush once --no make that TWICE...And
the most egregious BS-- He apparently blacked out an entire trip to brief the
leader of the free world on his Texas ranch while under oath -- but the next
day he suddenyl recovered his lost memories of it -- and recalled it all ...in
vivid and exact and detail and in direct contradiction to everything he swore
to under oath on the subject.
This is the state of the memory of the head of the CIA ? Cue the theme from
1984.
Absolute high octane bull shite . The Bush government ( Rumsfeld Tenet, Rice,
McClellan) is OPENLY and repeatedly lying in public, lying under oath, revising
their "memory", selectively recalling , etc etc...
And they're doing it about about a war--not an intern and a blue dress.
They are lying about life and death issues for this country and it's soldiers
in a way not seen since the Nixon era.... it's beyond disgusting.
As for Tenet's new REVISED memory :Either way --
One person said : ( C Rice)
" Bush met with tenet everyday for 8 months"
The other person said -- Even in the laughable revision:
He met with Bush at MOST twice during the entire month before 9-11.
Still a total contradiction.
>2.) Then you'd have to prove it was willfull
MO it's nakedly willful -and - in fact directly contradictory. There is no
doubt about the contradiction. One said A one said B. The two most senior
Intel and NSC officials for Bush totally contradict each other --
Somebody * is * lying...there is no question about that. Who is lying is the
only question...on eof many.
And before the Bush backers cry there is no proof of perjury ask yourself the
honest question if the same benefit of the doubt was given to Clinton and co
during year after year of the Ken Starr witch hunt.
Cuz in the ever-wider GOP hypocrisy column: One thing is undeniable :
About every republican with a pulse had no doubt about Clinton's perjury
charge. And railed endlessly about integrity in the White House etc etc. Lying
was definitely NOT okay then -- Why is it now ?
They didn't need ANYTHING to start crowing about it being willful deception
when it was Clinton.But when republicans lie under oath --the GOP flaks don't
even examine it ... let alone call for special prosecutor.
When it the GOP lying : it's A Okay. This is the "party of personal
responsibility" who came to "restore integrity to the White House " ?
yikes.
Double standards with extreme prejudice.
gopackgo
Pack Fan
No, he's saying the Republicans will never hold their own accountable.
Mike Castleberg
"VALHALLA" <valh...@aol.comgopackgo> wrote in message
I'm saying I don't know all the facts. Like I said, if it was as you say,
there would already be hell to pay.
Mike Castleberg
"Pack Fan" <pa...@fan.com> wrote in message
news:1083r9v...@corp.supernews.com...
That's why we have a 2-party system, so one can hold the other accountable.
>
>
VALHALLA
>> Are u saying that Tenet's sworn statement do not contradict Rice's
>statements
>> on the issue ?
>>
>
>I'm saying I don't know all the facts. Like I said, if it was as you say,
>there would already be hell to pay.
>
Well MIke I posted the exact transcripts of the statements to back up what I
said. And you referred to everything I posted as "total BS"
Your replies to date have cited nothing factual to refute what I say at all.
You simply try to deny the facts I've cited by sheer , apparently omniscient (
in your own mind) and infallible opinion. Why is it you don' t need sources and
back up for your takes ?
You say "you don't have the facts" -- but you do. And I posted the exact words
that Rice and Tenet used from trasncripts :
One of the statements posted said
and I quote .( Rice )
" The difference between Clinton and this president is that he ( Bush) met
with his CIA Director every day for eight months".
Clear ? Direct quote --
She said "every day" --not sometimes, not almost, not once a week, not with
some exceptions. She said "every day"
Tenet however SWORE, that he never met or spoke with Bush for the entire MONTH
before 9-11. CIA later amended that to --he spoke with him twice in 30 days.
Either way it totally contradicts Rice. Someone is lying.
Those are the facts Mike. You DO know them --though you falsely say otherwise.
And and can look them up in print in a million places on line -- from FOX NEWS
if you so desire.
So based on those irrefutable facts -- you DO know that those two statements
are totally contradictory. That's waht I posted and it's not BS as you claimed.
If so --prove the above is not accurate.
And please remember to cite the source of your knowledge if you would, HINT-- "
Cuz Mike says so" is not proof of facts nor dsiproof of others facts like the
ones above.
You DO KNOW the facts about Rice and Tenent contradicting themselves Mike.
--see above. And can look up the above statements to boot --they are prmia
facia contradictions plain and simple.
Your repeated use of the doctrine and tactics of holocaust deniers and flat
earth society members is not only predictable it's transparent.
Holocaust deniers and flat earth society tactics , like your's simply
repeatedly deny all facts presented and that go against their preconceived
views, and they repeatedly employ tired takes like saying , " we don't know
all the facts about that " , or they impune any sources material used as proof
, without providing any credible or even citable proof of their own position.
You use that same tactic all the time, and just have again in this case.
Please address the facts instead of deciding you don't have to -- and
dismissing them as in the tactics in example above ...
And in doing so --please prove how anything I've posted is as you put it -- "
total BS". Or if you can't --admit what I posted was not in fact what you
labeled it.
gopackgo
CrackerDog
>
> You say "you don't have the facts" -- but you do. And I posted the exact
words
> that Rice and Tenet used from trasncripts :
> One of the statements posted said
> and I quote .( Rice )
>
> " The difference between Clinton and this president is that he ( Bush)
met
> with his CIA Director every day for eight months".
>
> Clear ? Direct quote --
>
Except it isn't a direct quote unless I'm missing something. I believe the
quote I post below is the one to which you're referring and while it clearly
implies what you summarize it to say, it isn't a direct quote. Further,
while it would take some real Clintonian stretching, there is some wiggle
room in the quote. Again, I think she lied under oath but this isn't one
you could convict her of perjury on. The misappropriations of $700 million
of funds by the president may be a stronger case.
The quote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61252-2004Apr8.html
At the beginning of the administration, President Bush revived the practice
of meeting with the director of central intelligence almost every day in the
Oval Office, meetings which I attended, along with the vice president and
the chief of staff. At these meetings, the president received up-to-date
intelligence and asked questions of his most senior intelligence officials.
From January 20th through September 10th, the president received at these
daily meetings more than 40 briefing items on al Qaeda, and 13 of those were
in response to questions he or his top advisers posed.
In addition to seeing DCI Tenet almost every morning, I generally spoke by
telephone to coordinate policy at 7:15 with Secretaries Powell and Rumsfeld
on a variety of topics, and I also met and spoke regularly with the DCI
about al Qaeda and terrorism.
Mike Castleberg
> "VALHALLA" <valh...@aol.comgopackgo> wrote in message
> news:20040418154413...@mb-m29.aol.com...
> >
> > You say "you don't have the facts" -- but you do. And I posted the exact
> words
> > that Rice and Tenet used from trasncripts :
> > One of the statements posted said
> > and I quote .( Rice )
> >
> > " The difference between Clinton and this president is that he ( Bush)
> met
> > with his CIA Director every day for eight months".
> >
> > Clear ? Direct quote --
> >
>
> Except it isn't a direct quote unless I'm missing something. I believe
the
> quote I post below is the one to which you're referring and while it
clearly
> implies what you summarize it to say, it isn't a direct quote. Further,
> while it would take some real Clintonian stretching, there is some wiggle
> room in the quote.
Geez, Valerie is on your side, give her a break!
CrackerDog
>
> Geez, Valerie is on your side, give her a break!
>
It's not about giving anyone a break. It's about accuracy. Val doesn't
need my support, he's doing fine, in his own "special" way, on his own. I
think Val's made some good points but I also believe you can't say "direct
quote" when it's not. He may have a quote of her saying exactly that but I
don't believe it was to the 9/11 commission as I've investigated the only
uses of the word "daily" in her testimony and that quote isn't there.
The quote I provided is very close, she was misleading. Was it intentional?
Not sure. No perjury.
Now let's talk about misappropriation of funds. A little matter of $700
million, I think.
VALHALLA
It's already been posted three or more times.
sheesh
You want a direct reference quote proving the the sky is blue too ?
joke --
ez
gopackgo
VALHALLA
>From: "CrackerDog"
>Except it isn't a direct quote unless I'm missing something
I posted a direct quote from Condaleeza Rice --taken from Sean Freakin Hannity
site ...
sheesh
gopackgo
VALHALLA
>
>Geez, Valerie is on your side, give her a break!
No back up for your denials on my posts still huh Mike ?
Till otherwise that will serve as indiaction waht YOU posted is bull --if not,
specifically address which facst I posted are not accurate.
Until then --you are obviously the one who can't answer for his takes. If I'm
mistaken...Please do so.
I predict yet another dodge by you on this Mike ... and/ or change of subject.
Let's see how prophetic I am.
PS
I answered your direct question as you asked -- but yet again you dodge mine.
Why so scared to address the actual facts ?
gopackgo
VALHALLA
>From: "CrackerDog"
>It's not about giving anyone a break. It's about accuracy
YEs is it :
Here's the damndable LINK --
Condi: Bush Met Tenet Every Day [Clinton Didn't]
HEADLINE FROM NEWSMAX--
RIGHT WING NEW OUTLET --
Posted on 03/28/2004 10:02:57 AM PST by areafiftyone
QUOTE :
President Bush met with CIA Director George Tenet every single day during the
eight months he was president before the 9/11 attacks, National Security
Advisor Dr. Condoleezza Rice revealed on Friday, noting that the practice was a
shift from the previous administration's policy.
Now is that accurate or not ?
gopackgo
CrackerDog
>
> QUOTE :
>
> President Bush met with CIA Director George Tenet every single day during
the
> eight months he was president before the 9/11 attacks, National Security
> Advisor Dr. Condoleezza Rice revealed on Friday, noting that the practice
was a
> shift from the previous administration's policy.
>
> Now is that accurate or not ?
>
No. She never said it. Check the actual source doc. NewsMax is a rag and
they spun the story to their own liking. They hung themselves with it and
took you down with them. If you can't tell the difference between an exact
quote and a report of a quote, you're no better than the lying liars. I
expect better from a liberal.
She said something *like* what they reported but the actual quote isn't as
damning as the stupid jagoffs at NewsMax would have you believe (when they
thought they could spin her quote to harm the credibility of Clarke.)
VALHALLA
>
>No. She never said it. Check the actual source doc.
I did -- Cracker--
Cjeck the transcript of the show.
She said he met with tenet everyday
gopackgo
VALHALLA
>
>I want to know how you think that any of this amounts to perjury.
Well George tenet made false statements under oath by his own admission.
tenet also dircetly contradicted Sandy berger's sworn statements
Rice directly contradicted the FBI and FAA sworn testimony.
Rice contradicted a NUMBER of her own previous statements under oath.
And Ashcroft DIRECTLY contradicted Tihomad Pickard under oath.
And there's more --
Swallow that crow hard noe Spikey.
gopackgo
VALHALLA
>That doesn't appear anywhere in her testimony
Post where I said it did
gopackgo
VALHALLA
>That was at least a week before she gave her testimony. Sheesh.
But we know that statement was lie according to the president and Tenet right
?
So you're admitting the statement she made was a lie because we know he did NOT
meet with Tenet "every day for eight months"
Good --we're making more progress.
gopackgo