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Gary©

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Oct 21, 2002, 2:48:11 AM10/21/02
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They are a LEEETLE bit cranky over there.
Sounds like jani missed a 21 yarder
But there's more,
so much more!
I didn't post:
1... tired of flame wars
2...And I was too busy laughing
Gary©

OH GEEZ, Hobbs, RUN!!!
She's wearin' cleats.


Gary DeWaay

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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gary=A9?= wrote...

> They are a LEEETLE bit cranky over there.
>


Cranky? More like rats from a sinking ship. Kinda disappointing.

I didn't realize 4-2 was such a tragedy in the NFL.


Gary

Adam Smith

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Oct 21, 2002, 10:24:14 AM10/21/02
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Yeah, I'm kinda surprised at how fast your compadres are pushing the
panic button over there. Maybe they're too used to being on top of
the division? If the playoffs started today, the Raiders would be in,
but you wouldn't know it by reading what some of those guys are
saying.

--
Adam Smith

"If you're still doubting him, then you shouldn't even watch
football. The guy played. To me, it wasn't a surprise how he
played. Those are the type of games that he likes - when the game is
on line."
-- Rod Smith on Brian Griese

Brent Wiescamp

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Oct 21, 2002, 10:26:49 AM10/21/02
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"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2...@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
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Two in a row though. That's tough to swallow right away. Add in a heart
breaker OT loss to a division foe at home and it's salt in the wound. Give
'em all a couple of days to come back to reality. Somebody over there ought
to kick in some comic relief.


Sam Boney

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"Brent Wiescamp" <bw...@sig-inst.com> wrote in message
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You should have prefaced this to the entire AFC West.

Brent Wiescamp

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Oct 21, 2002, 11:10:38 AM10/21/02
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"Sam Boney" <jaimes...@starband.net> wrote in message
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Hadn't even thought about it being KC's second in a row. But both games
going into OT could be an indicator of how tough the AFCW is going to be
this year. Any team from the AFCW that makes the playoffs has an excellent
chance of winning the whole thing, IMO. KC would need to make some huge
gains on the defensive side of the ball though.

Adam Smith

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Oct 21, 2002, 11:36:54 AM10/21/02
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Brent Wiescamp <bw...@sig-inst.com> wrote:

> Hadn't even thought about it being KC's second in a row. But both games
> going into OT could be an indicator of how tough the AFCW is going to be
> this year. Any team from the AFCW that makes the playoffs has an excellent
> chance of winning the whole thing, IMO. KC would need to make some huge
> gains on the defensive side of the ball though.

I don't think they need huge gains. They've lost four games by a
combined 14 points. If they could improve their defense from
"horrible" to just "bad" they'd be in fat city. Fortunately (for us),
I don't think they can do that with the personnell they have.

Izzy

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Oct 21, 2002, 11:37:53 AM10/21/02
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On 21 Oct 2002 14:24:14 GMT, Adam Smith <acs...@conductor-am.bu.edu>
wrote:

>Gary DeWaay <dewaay2...@sio.midco.net> wrote:
>> =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gary=A9?= wrote...
>
>>> They are a LEEETLE bit cranky over there.
>>>
>
>
>> Cranky? More like rats from a sinking ship. Kinda disappointing.
>
>> I didn't realize 4-2 was such a tragedy in the NFL.
>
>Yeah, I'm kinda surprised at how fast your compadres are pushing the
>panic button over there. Maybe they're too used to being on top of
>the division? If the playoffs started today, the Raiders would be in,
>but you wouldn't know it by reading what some of those guys are
>saying.

I think the panic button is very enticing right now. The team is
making mistakes in every area, including coaching. No not Callahan,
Bresnahan the DC. He's gone into milquetoast mode instead of
attacking. That was a big problem for the Raiders last year as well.

Sam Boney

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Oct 21, 2002, 11:41:40 AM10/21/02
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"Adam Smith" <acs...@conductor-am.bu.edu> wrote in message
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> Brent Wiescamp <bw...@sig-inst.com> wrote:
>
> > Hadn't even thought about it being KC's second in a row. But both games
> > going into OT could be an indicator of how tough the AFCW is going to be
> > this year. Any team from the AFCW that makes the playoffs has an
excellent
> > chance of winning the whole thing, IMO. KC would need to make some huge
> > gains on the defensive side of the ball though.
>
> I don't think they need huge gains. They've lost four games by a
> combined 14 points. If they could improve their defense from
> "horrible" to just "bad" they'd be in fat city. Fortunately (for us),
> I don't think they can do that with the personnell they have.
>

Especially if personel includes coordinators!

Carbo

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Oct 21, 2002, 12:32:58 PM10/21/02
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I wonder if they see that where ever Robinson goes he does the same thing.
When Denver was playing good two years ago it was his defense that cost them
the season.


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Fillard Millmore

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Oct 21, 2002, 12:41:58 PM10/21/02
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You see? That's what happens when you have high expectations. Which
come about from success. Imagine how easy it is to be a Bengals fan.

Fillard Millmore
Resident of the United States

Fillard Millmore

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Oct 21, 2002, 12:43:54 PM10/21/02
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I think there will be plenty of drive-by comics but not much relief.

Brent Wiescamp

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Oct 21, 2002, 1:17:02 PM10/21/02
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"Adam Smith" <acs...@conductor-am.bu.edu> wrote in message
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> Brent Wiescamp <bw...@sig-inst.com> wrote:
>
> > Hadn't even thought about it being KC's second in a row. But both games
> > going into OT could be an indicator of how tough the AFCW is going to be
> > this year. Any team from the AFCW that makes the playoffs has an
excellent
> > chance of winning the whole thing, IMO. KC would need to make some huge
> > gains on the defensive side of the ball though.
>
> I don't think they need huge gains. They've lost four games by a
> combined 14 points. If they could improve their defense from
> "horrible" to just "bad" they'd be in fat city. Fortunately (for us),
> I don't think they can do that with the personnell they have.
>

They might win/have won more games but I don't think they would go far in
the playoffs with the last ranked D. Even with a D ranked in the middle
somewhere like say 16th.


The Raider on a Rock

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Oct 21, 2002, 1:55:15 PM10/21/02
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In article <3db41a4f$0$193$7586...@news.frii.net>, "Brent Wiescamp"
<bw...@sig-inst.com> writes:

>Any team from the AFCW that makes the playoffs has an excellent
>chance of winning the whole thing, IMO. KC would need to make some huge
>gains on the defensive side of the ball though.
>

That is if we don't kill each other off first. These have been very physical
games and it has been taking it's toll already.

The Raider on a Rock

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Oct 21, 2002, 1:55:15 PM10/21/02
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In article <3db4100a$0$190$7586...@news.frii.net>, "Brent Wiescamp"
<bw...@sig-inst.com> writes:

>Two in a row though. That's tough to swallow right away. Add in a heart
>breaker OT loss to a division foe at home and it's salt in the wound. Give
>'em all a couple of days to come back to reality. Somebody over there ought
>to kick in some comic relief.

Yeah.. I am trying to think of something. Funny bone is still outta whack.

The Raider on a Rock

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Oct 21, 2002, 1:55:15 PM10/21/02
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In article <3db42e90....@news.gte.net>, fill...@gte.net (Fillard
Millmore) writes:

>Subject: Re: Fader NG
>From: fill...@gte.net (Fillard Millmore)
>Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:43:54 GMT

The relief will come at the expense of the drive-bys. Hopefully. I have to
admit to not feeling so good myself.

Fillard Millmore

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Oct 21, 2002, 3:32:04 PM10/21/02
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On 21 Oct 2002 17:55:15 GMT, theraide...@aol.comns (The Raider on
a Rock) wrote:


See, but that's just that high expectations thing at work. Somewhere,
deep down inside of you, maybe buried to deep you're not even aware of
it, or if you are you're prolly not willing to admit it, even to
yourself, you think your team can win every game. I admit to having
that, and I think a lot of Broncos fans do, and a lot of Raiders fans,
and a lot of fans of other teams who are successful. It isn't
realistic, but it's the "fan" part of "fanatical". Or something.

I don't imagine a lot of Bengals fans feel it, which is a dang shame
for them.

Sam Boney

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Oct 21, 2002, 3:34:31 PM10/21/02
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"Fillard Millmore" <fill...@gte.net> wrote in message
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Then what is the "atical" part of fanaticle?

Fillard Millmore

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Oct 21, 2002, 3:47:04 PM10/21/02
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I don't know, but I think it has something to do with one's attic.
Maybe because that's where one might keep his team attire in the
offseason? Maybe Brent can search this out for us under his job
description of "Internet Inspector".

Brent Wiescamp

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Oct 21, 2002, 4:09:03 PM10/21/02
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"Fillard Millmore" <fill...@gte.net> wrote in message
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Screw that. I'm in the process of compiling all the bye weeks for all the
teams since 1990. I'm busy for the rest of the week.

The Raider on a Rock

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Oct 21, 2002, 4:22:08 PM10/21/02
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In article <3db45572....@news.gte.net>, fill...@gte.net (Fillard
Millmore) writes:

>See, but that's just that high expectations thing at work. Somewhere,
>deep down inside of you, maybe buried to deep you're not even aware of
>it, or if you are you're prolly not willing to admit it, even to
>yourself, you think your team can win every game. I admit to having
>that, and I think a lot of Broncos fans do, and a lot of Raiders fans,
>and a lot of fans of other teams who are successful. It isn't
>realistic, but it's the "fan" part of "fanatical". Or something.
>

Is there one team in the NFL that you see as unbeatable this year? I can't
remember another season being quite this wide open. So sure I think that before
we play any team that we have a good chance to win and I think this is
reasonable too. Whist we are the subject of realism, I'll be revising my
prediction of the Raiders ending up 12-4 shortly after seeing our injury report
for this week.


Sam Boney

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Oct 21, 2002, 4:23:23 PM10/21/02
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> >
>
> Screw that. I'm in the process of compiling all the bye weeks for all the
> teams since 1990. I'm busy for the rest of the week.
>

Is this ti see how many time the Broncos play a team coming off the bye
week? I think Adam posted something that said (and I could be wrong) that
the Broncos play three teams coming off the bye week this year...when I
check I can only find two...

Brent Wiescamp

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Oct 21, 2002, 4:25:41 PM10/21/02
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"Sam Boney" <jaimes...@starband.net> wrote in message
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Nope -- *all* the teams' post bye week opponents since 1990.


Adam Smith

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Oct 21, 2002, 4:32:18 PM10/21/02
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That was Brent. The only one I know of offhand is the Patriots, but
I'm sure Brent will illuminate us.

Sam Boney

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"Adam Smith" <acs...@conductor-am.bu.edu> wrote in message
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No go on the Bronco Tix, Adam. I tried a couple of reliables and they are
all using their season tickets. Sorry, man. What part of Vermont were you
in? I live about 20 minutes from the foliage of VT. Good time of year to
go.

Sam Boney

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"Brent Wiescamp" <bw...@sig-inst.com> wrote in message
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If you don't mind me asking...what do you do for work? Or, better stated,
what are you supposed to do for work?

Brent Wiescamp

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"Adam Smith" <acs...@conductor-am.bu.edu> wrote in message
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> Sam Boney <jaimes...@starband.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >>
> >> Screw that. I'm in the process of compiling all the bye weeks for all
the
> >> teams since 1990. I'm busy for the rest of the week.
> >>
>
> > Is this ti see how many time the Broncos play a team coming off the bye
> > week? I think Adam posted something that said (and I could be wrong)
that
> > the Broncos play three teams coming off the bye week this year...when I
> > check I can only find two...
>
> That was Brent. The only one I know of offhand is the Patriots, but
> I'm sure Brent will illuminate us.
>

It's two -- @Baltimore, @NE


Brent Wiescamp

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"Sam Boney" <jaimes...@starband.net> wrote in message
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Did Fillard put you up to this or what? I did say it was going to take me
the rest of the week for Pete's sake. Don't make me Powder Keg you. :)

Sam Boney

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"Brent Wiescamp" <bw...@sig-inst.com> wrote in message
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Just an observation. I realize the amount of time it takes to research some
of the things you do...so, either you are cutting into work time, cutting
into after hours time, paying someone else to do it, or just incredibly fast
at it. I'm guessing the first option...which is a very common occurance,
just ask me.

Brent Wiescamp

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"Sam Boney" <jaimes...@starband.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Brent Wiescamp" <bw...@sig-inst.com> wrote in message
> news:3db468ab$0$184$7586...@news.frii.net...
> >
> >
> > Did Fillard put you up to this or what? I did say it was going to take
me
> > the rest of the week for Pete's sake. Don't make me Powder Keg you. :)
> >
>
> Just an observation. I realize the amount of time it takes to research
some
> of the things you do...so, either you are cutting into work time, cutting
> into after hours time, paying someone else to do it, or just incredibly
fast
> at it. I'm guessing the first option...which is a very common occurance,
> just ask me.
>
>


It's a little of all of the above minus paying someone else and being fast.
Practice makes better when searching. Some of it has to do with saving links
from other searches and organizing them. The site I'm using to look up all
the bye weeks is really good for all kinds of stuff and its format is pretty
easy to scroll through a season's worth of games. Check it out if you
haven't before. I got it in here from Adam or MZB:

http://www.football-reference.com/

Sam Boney

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"Brent Wiescamp" <bw...@sig-inst.com> wrote in message
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Thanks!

Adam Smith

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Oct 21, 2002, 5:30:47 PM10/21/02
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Sam Boney <jaimes...@starband.net> wrote:

> No go on the Bronco Tix, Adam. I tried a couple of reliables and they are
> all using their season tickets. Sorry, man. What part of Vermont were you
> in? I live about 20 minutes from the foliage of VT. Good time of year to
> go.

I appreciate the effort anyway, Sam. I'm thinking about going out to
Foxboro Sunday anyway and looking for a scalper.

My dad's in Sharon, which is a tiny little town about 10-15 miles west
of White River Junction/Lebanon/Hanover. He and his wife have a nice
place in the mountains surrounded by nothing but trees. It's a great
place to go when I want to get away from Boston for a weekend.

Dane Pescaia

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Oct 21, 2002, 5:39:13 PM10/21/02
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"Sam Boney" <jaimes...@starband.net> wrote in message
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The last part :)


F. Millmore

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On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:09:03 -0600, "Brent Wiescamp"
<bw...@sig-inst.com> spake thusly:


>> >>
>> >
>> >Then what is the "atical" part of fanaticle?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> I don't know, but I think it has something to do with one's attic.
>> Maybe because that's where one might keep his team attire in the
>> offseason? Maybe Brent can search this out for us under his job
>> description of "Internet Inspector".
>>
>
>Screw that. I'm in the process of compiling all the bye weeks for all the
>teams since 1990. I'm busy for the rest of the week.
>

How quickly we forget our friends. Can we make an appointment, Mr.
Inspector General?

F. Millmore

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On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:44:52 -0600, "Brent Wiescamp"
<bw...@sig-inst.com> spake thusly:


>> > Nope -- *all* the teams' post bye week opponents since 1990.
>> >
>>
>> If you don't mind me asking...what do you do for work? Or, better stated,
>> what are you supposed to do for work?
>>
>
>Did Fillard put you up to this or what? I did say it was going to take me
>the rest of the week for Pete's sake. Don't make me Powder Keg you. :)
>
>
>

I didn't have to put him up to it. You just ask for it.

All right, in a vein barely related to Powder Keg, what cartoon
character of yore is known for "Ka-bong"?

F. Millmore

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Oct 21, 2002, 9:28:52 PM10/21/02
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On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:39:13 -0600, "Dane Pescaia"
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Dang! I wish I'd said that.

F. Millmore

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Oct 21, 2002, 9:42:42 PM10/21/02
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On 21 Oct 2002 20:22:08 GMT, theraide...@aol.comns (The Raider on
a Rock) spake thusly:

Pollyanna-osity aside, the last team I saw that I thought had a shot
was the Elway/Davis Broncos. They gave it a pretty good run. Now? I
don't see any team as unbeatable. I don't see any team going
undefeated at least until Vick or Brees shows himself to be of the
caliber of Elway et al.

The idea of one's team going undefeated has little grounding in
level-headed realism; it deals in the Walter Mitty-ish aspects of life
for the most part. But the way I see it, if you lose that you've lost
the best part of life.

So you're thinking what for the Raiders? 8-8? 6-10?

Gary©

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"F. Millmore" wrote:

>
> All right, in a vein barely related to Powder Keg, what cartoon
> character of yore is known for "Ka-bong"?
>
> Fillard Millmore
> Resident of the United States

Cheech and Chong?
Gary©

OH GEEZ, Hobbs, RUN!!!
She's wearin' cleats.


F. Millmore

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On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 02:02:32 GMT, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gary=A9?=
<smok...@earthlink.net> spake thusly:

>"F. Millmore" wrote:
>
>>
>> All right, in a vein barely related to Powder Keg, what cartoon
>> character of yore is known for "Ka-bong"?
>>
>> Fillard Millmore
>> Resident of the United States
>
>Cheech and Chong?

Cartoon character, Gare, not cartoonish. But that's a good guess
insofar as it continues the word-association that led me to ask it in
the first place (Powder Keg, kaboom, kabong.........).

Dane Pescaia

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"F. Millmore" <fill...@gte.net> wrote in message
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> All right, in a vein barely related to Powder Keg, what cartoon
> character of yore is known for "Ka-bong"?
>
>
> Fillard Millmore
> Resident of the United States

Quick Draw McGraw :)

http://blueg3.homeip.net:81/~sampo/ELKABONG.WAV


F. Millmore

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On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 00:41:17 -0600, "Dane Pescaia"
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>

That is correct. Not exactly on a par with "Who was the first
soccer-style kicker in the NFL" but then what is?

The Raider on a Rock

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In article <3db4a9fa...@news.gte.net>, fill...@gte.net (F. Millmore)
writes:

>So you're thinking what for the Raiders? 8-8? 6-10?
>

Not yet. 10-6.

Brent Wiescamp

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"F. Millmore" <fill...@gte.net> wrote in message
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Fillard, this one's important. I'm on a mission here. When I'm done I hope
it will be obvious why I did it. Can't say more now or I'll give it away.

Brent Wiescamp

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"F. Millmore" <fill...@gte.net> wrote in message
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See? You don't need me.

The Raider on a Rock

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In article <3db5341f$0$193$7586...@news.frii.net>, "Brent Wiescamp"
<bw...@sig-inst.com> writes:

>
>Fillard, this one's important. I'm on a mission here. When I'm done I hope
>it will be obvious why I did it. Can't say more now or I'll give it away.
>

Ah Brent... just understand that us Strogs really appreciate all the hard work
you put in trying to discredit our conspiracy theories. Just a warning ahead
of time... the schedule is just the tip of the iceberg.


Brent Wiescamp

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"The Raider on a Rock" <theraide...@aol.comns> wrote in message
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> In article <3db5341f$0$193$7586...@news.frii.net>, "Brent Wiescamp"
> <bw...@sig-inst.com> writes:
>
> >
> >Fillard, this one's important. I'm on a mission here. When I'm done I
hope
> >it will be obvious why I did it. Can't say more now or I'll give it away.
> >
>
> Ah Brent... just understand that us Strogs really appreciate all the hard
work
> you put in trying to discredit our conspiracy theories.

I'm just supporting my difference of opinion.

> Just a warning ahead
> of time... the schedule is just the tip of the iceberg.
>

Generally speaking, a warning is to inform someone of something they don't
already know.


F. Millmore

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On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:12:58 -0600, "Brent Wiescamp"
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>


>Fillard, this one's important. I'm on a mission here. When I'm done I hope
>it will be obvious why I did it. Can't say more now or I'll give it away.
>
>
>

Well, okay. But it better be either permanent world peace or the
imminent demise of Paul Tagliabue.

F. Millmore

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On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:14:09 -0600, "Brent Wiescamp"
<bw...@sig-inst.com> spake thusly:

>
>"F. Millmore" <fill...@gte.net> wrote in message
>news:3db503ea...@news.gte.net...
>> On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 00:41:17 -0600, "Dane Pescaia"
>> <pi...@tankslap.net> spake thusly:
>>
>> >
>> >"F. Millmore" <fill...@gte.net> wrote in message
>> >news:3db4a84f...@news.gte.net...
>> >> All right, in a vein barely related to Powder Keg, what cartoon
>> >> character of yore is known for "Ka-bong"?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Fillard Millmore
>> >> Resident of the United States
>> >
>> >Quick Draw McGraw :)
>> >
>> >http://blueg3.homeip.net:81/~sampo/ELKABONG.WAV
>> >
>> >
>> That is correct. Not exactly on a par with "Who was the first
>> soccer-style kicker in the NFL" but then what is?
>>
>
>See? You don't need me.
>
>
>

But I do. Who was the first soccer-style kicker in the NFL and what
was his longest kick?

M. Zaiem Beg

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Oct 22, 2002, 9:27:02 PM10/22/02
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, F. Millmore wrote:

->Pollyanna-osity aside, the last team I saw that I thought had a shot
->was the Elway/Davis Broncos. They gave it a pretty good run. Now? I
->don't see any team as unbeatable. I don't see any team going
->undefeated at least until Vick or Brees shows himself to be of the
->caliber of Elway et al.

In a vaccum, the 1998 Broncos were as unbeatable a team since the 1985
Bears, but as the pressure of an undefeated season mounts, the team starts
to play differently.

That said, nobody's going to go undefeated. Not the 98 Broncos, not some
hot team that starts out 7-0 by blowing everyone out...it's just not going
to happen.

And I'm pulling out gratuitous anti-Pollyanna points:

"No team will ever go undefeated again. If the 1985 Bears couldn't do it,
I doubt anyone can. Someone WILL beat the Broncos this year. Sure, it's
possible for them to win every game, but the odds of that happening are
astronomical. 16-0 talk is silly. It will not happen." -Me, 9/21/98

--
M. Zaiem Beg zb...@iglou.com

"He looked like a Rolls-Royce in a field of Volkswagons."
-Pimlico GM Chick Lang on Secretariat

Dane Pescaia

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Oct 23, 2002, 1:28:45 AM10/23/02
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"M. Zaiem Beg" <zb...@iglou.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.44.0210222119380.9872-100000@shell1...

> On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, F. Millmore wrote:
>
> ->Pollyanna-osity aside, the last team I saw that I thought had a shot
> ->was the Elway/Davis Broncos. They gave it a pretty good run. Now? I
> ->don't see any team as unbeatable. I don't see any team going
> ->undefeated at least until Vick or Brees shows himself to be of the
> ->caliber of Elway et al.
>
> In a vaccum, the 1998 Broncos were as unbeatable a team since the 1985
> Bears, but as the pressure of an undefeated season mounts, the team starts
> to play differently.
>
> That said, nobody's going to go undefeated. Not the 98 Broncos, not some
> hot team that starts out 7-0 by blowing everyone out...it's just not going
> to happen.
>
> And I'm pulling out gratuitous anti-Pollyanna points:
>
> "No team will ever go undefeated again. If the 1985 Bears couldn't do it,
> I doubt anyone can. Someone WILL beat the Broncos this year. Sure, it's
> possible for them to win every game, but the odds of that happening are
> astronomical. 16-0 talk is silly. It will not happen." -Me, 9/21/98
>

Remember that same year, the Vikes looked just as unbeatable. I detested
that "bomb it to Moss!" gameplan. They ended up besting Denver's record,
15-1. Everyone thought that surely one of them would go 16-0, and one of
them *had* to win the SB (the latter of course was true). I actually feared
seeing Minnesota in the SB and laughed heartily when Anderson missed his
first kick of the year to lose to Atlanta.

The funny thing is that everyone thought that the Miami game was the one
place Denver might slip up. Oh well, NYG surprisingly beat them to the
punch a week prior to kill all the talk about the fans using red
laser-pointers in Elway's eyes. You know... that thing they ban on city
buses because of kids pointing them at oncoming drivers at night. Sure,
Miami still beat them, but at that point, who cared? The rest of the AFCW
was fighting to get to .500 after getting slapped around by Denver and
others.

Those were the days. Kinda. Have a pretty good squad now too.

The Raider on a Rock

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Oct 23, 2002, 11:13:50 AM10/23/02
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In article <Pine.GSO.4.44.0210222119380.9872-100000@shell1>, "M. Zaiem Beg"
<zb...@iglou.com> writes:

>And I'm pulling out gratuitous anti-Pollyanna points:
>
>"No team will ever go undefeated again. If the 1985 Bears couldn't do it,
>I doubt anyone can. Someone WILL beat the Broncos this year. Sure, it's
>possible for them to win every game, but the odds of that happening are
>astronomical. 16-0 talk is silly. It will not happen." -Me, 9/21/98
>
>--
> M. Zaiem Beg zb...@iglou.com
>

Damn MZB.. you are like a regular propoganda machine. I am going to have to
start watching you a little closer. I think you are hiding something. The
Polyanna Meter never lies.

M. Zaiem Beg

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Oct 24, 2002, 1:07:51 AM10/24/02
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On 23 Oct 2002, The Raider on a Rock wrote:

->>And I'm pulling out gratuitous anti-Pollyanna points:
->>
->>"No team will ever go undefeated again. If the 1985 Bears couldn't do it,
->>I doubt anyone can. Someone WILL beat the Broncos this year. Sure, it's
->>possible for them to win every game, but the odds of that happening are
->>astronomical. 16-0 talk is silly. It will not happen." -Me, 9/21/98
->>
->
->Damn MZB.. you are like a regular propoganda machine. I am going to have to
->start watching you a little closer. I think you are hiding something. The
->Polyanna Meter never lies.

The funny thing is that this post marked the first (and only) time I've
ever received a death threat over an internet posting. A militant
Pollyanna told me I was too stupid to live and he was going to find me and
shoot me in the head, because *obviously* Denver was going to go
undefeated. That was the gist, anyway. I think. The misspellings and the
fact that said writer was undoubtedly up past his bed time, so I didn't
give it much thought.

--
M. Zaiem Beg zb...@iglou.com

"He looked like a Rolls-Royce in a field of Volkswagons."

Gary DeWaay

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Oct 24, 2002, 1:15:29 AM10/24/02
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Fillard Millmore wrote...

>
> See, but that's just that high expectations thing at work. Somewhere,
> deep down inside of you, maybe buried to deep you're not even aware of
> it, or if you are you're prolly not willing to admit it, even to
> yourself, you think your team can win every game. I admit to having
> that, and I think a lot of Broncos fans do, and a lot of Raiders fans,
> and a lot of fans of other teams who are successful. It isn't
> realistic, but it's the "fan" part of "fanatical". Or something.

This is absolutely one hundred percent correct. It is actually not an
irrational thought because it HAS happened before. Add to this that the
last three SB winners basically came out of nowhere... so if your team
has good talent in the skill positions, and has played with some degree
of consistency in the recent future, why not? The only common
denominator of the last three SB winners has been a lack of injuries
and/or the people that have taken over for the injured players has
stepped it up a notch (Brady, Warner.)



>
> I don't imagine a lot of Bengals fans feel it, which is a dang shame
> for them.
>


I hear there is a documentary movie being released which followed a
bunch of Bengals fans around.. sounds like a hoot.


Gary

The Raider on a Rock

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Oct 24, 2002, 1:18:12 AM10/24/02
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In article <Pine.GSO.4.44.0210240102550.4621-100000@shell1>, "M. Zaiem Beg"
<zb...@iglou.com> writes:

>->Damn MZB.. you are like a regular propoganda machine. I am going to have
>to
>->start watching you a little closer. I think you are hiding something. The
>->Polyanna Meter never lies.
>
>The funny thing is that this post marked the first (and only) time I've
>ever received a death threat over an internet posting. A militant
>Pollyanna told me I was too stupid to live and he was going to find me and
>shoot me in the head, because *obviously* Denver was going to go
>undefeated. That was the gist, anyway. I think. The misspellings and the
>fact that said writer was undoubtedly up past his bed time, so I didn't
>give it much thought.
>
>--
> M. Zaiem Beg zb...@iglou.com
>
> "He looked like a Rolls-Royce in a field of Volkswagons."
> -Pimlico GM Chick Lang on Secretariat

MZB... are you serious?

M. Zaiem Beg

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Oct 24, 2002, 2:34:41 AM10/24/02
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On 24 Oct 2002, The Raider on a Rock wrote:

->>The funny thing is that this post marked the first (and only) time I've
->>ever received a death threat over an internet posting. A militant
->>Pollyanna told me I was too stupid to live and he was going to find me and
->>shoot me in the head, because *obviously* Denver was going to go
->>undefeated. That was the gist, anyway. I think. The misspellings and the
->>fact that said writer was undoubtedly up past his bed time, so I didn't
->>give it much thought.
->>
->
->MZB... are you serious?

Yeah. You sound surprised. There are low-lifes everywhere...hell, look at
Swami and some of the other idiots who've been romping around ASFPOR.
Those guys are much worse. Just a 13 year old with internet access and no
brain. Stupidity comes in all forms.

F. Millmore

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Oct 24, 2002, 2:40:27 AM10/24/02
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On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 01:07:51 -0400, "M. Zaiem Beg" <zb...@iglou.com>
spake thusly:

>On 23 Oct 2002, The Raider on a Rock wrote:
>
>->>And I'm pulling out gratuitous anti-Pollyanna points:
>->>
>->>"No team will ever go undefeated again. If the 1985 Bears couldn't do it,
>->>I doubt anyone can. Someone WILL beat the Broncos this year. Sure, it's
>->>possible for them to win every game, but the odds of that happening are
>->>astronomical. 16-0 talk is silly. It will not happen." -Me, 9/21/98
>->>
>->
>->Damn MZB.. you are like a regular propoganda machine. I am going to have to
>->start watching you a little closer. I think you are hiding something. The
>->Polyanna Meter never lies.
>
>The funny thing is that this post marked the first (and only) time I've
>ever received a death threat over an internet posting. A militant
>Pollyanna told me I was too stupid to live and he was going to find me and
>shoot me in the head, because *obviously* Denver was going to go
>undefeated. That was the gist, anyway. I think. The misspellings and the
>fact that said writer was undoubtedly up past his bed time, so I didn't
>give it much thought.
>

So you're posting from a laptop on a Greyhound bus from somewhere to
somewhere else, eh? Sitting in the back row, I suppose.

F. Millmore

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Oct 24, 2002, 2:44:47 AM10/24/02
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On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 00:15:29 -0500, Gary DeWaay
<dewaay2...@sio.midco.net> spake thusly:

How will they know when they're done shooting? Nothing changes. This
is like watching milk curdle. Man. They live in Cinci *and* their team
sucks *and* there's no hope it won't suck next year or the year after
that. Why doesn't the great and powerful Wizard of Tagliabue do
something about *that*? He's got to protect his fucking parity, after
all, and Cinci is wrecking the curve.
>
>Gary

darrell gerber

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Oct 24, 2002, 11:45:15 AM10/24/02
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"The Raider on a Rock" <theraide...@aol.comns> wrote in message
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You just scared tRoaR into reconsidering his Pollyanna patrol.


--
The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself--nameless, unreasoning,
unjustified terror." -- Franklin Roosevelt's first Inaugural Address

>


The Raider on a Rock

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Oct 24, 2002, 1:12:47 PM10/24/02
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In article <fAUt9.2230$6F4.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "darrell
gerber" <too...@junk.com> writes:

>Subject: Re: Fader NG
>From: "darrell gerber" <too...@junk.com>
>Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:45:15 GMT

Think so? Try me.

darrell gerber

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Oct 24, 2002, 2:05:48 PM10/24/02
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"The Raider on a Rock" <theraide...@aol.comns> wrote in message

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The Broncos are obviously on their way toward righting their ship and going
undefeated for the remained of the season. All of the losses were due to
simple mental mistakes that can easily be rectified. They are by far the
best team in the league. The question isn't whether they will beat the
Raiders but by how much.


How's that? :)

The Raider on a Rock

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Oct 24, 2002, 2:59:08 PM10/24/02
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In article <0EWt9.2476$6F4.2...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "darrell
gerber" <too...@junk.com> writes:

>
>The Broncos are obviously on their way toward righting their ship and going
>undefeated for the remained of the season. All of the losses were due to
>simple mental mistakes that can easily be rectified. They are by far the
>best team in the league. The question isn't whether they will beat the
>Raiders but by how much.
>
>
>How's that? :)
>
>

Sensors didn't even twinge on this. The new ZRT model of the Polyanna Meter
has a "you gotta be forking kidding me sensor installed" to ferret out all
false Polyannaisms. If it makes you feel any better, you can consider yourself
under surveillance now..


darrell gerber

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Oct 24, 2002, 3:24:18 PM10/24/02
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"The Raider on a Rock" <theraide...@aol.comns> wrote in message
news:20021024145908...@mb-mu.aol.com...

Wow, you're getting this down to a science. I'll have to see if I can catch
you off guard sometime to test the ygbfkm sensor. That ZRT model is pretty
slick, though.

F. Millmore

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Oct 24, 2002, 7:55:49 PM10/24/02
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On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:05:48 GMT, "darrell gerber" <too...@junk.com>
spake thusly:


>The Broncos are obviously on their way toward righting their ship and going
>undefeated for the remained of the season. All of the losses were due to
>simple mental mistakes that can easily be rectified. They are by far the
>best team in the league. The question isn't whether they will beat the
>Raiders but by how much.
>
>
>How's that? :)
>

Like a clear, crisp Rocky Mountain morning in October, babeeeeee!

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