The single greatest example of NFL sportsmanship ever.
Cleatarrior
greatest act of sportsmanship in the history of the NFL.
Knowing the camera was live McNabb approached Jay in such a way as
Cutler's body guarded any ability to read Donovan's lips.
It was obvious from the body language and the sheer length of the talk
that McNabb was showing his respect and compassion for Cutler and in the
same instance sending a powerful message to a national television audience:
'Do not give up on this young man, he does belong here, and we will have
faith in him and root for him to succeed.'
Cutler has had a tough year and his team has not been in synch at all.
Clearly it showed on him.
For Donovan to mentor him on the national stage is peerless.
We can all learn something of lifelong value from McNabb.
A true competitor, an even better human being.
Bravo.
Cleatarrior
> nos...@xx.block (Cleatarrior) chiseled in stone for all posterity to see
> <hef1gd$pk8$1...@news.datemas.de>:
>
>> For Donovan to mentor him on the national stage is peerless.
>>
>> We can all learn something of lifelong value from McNabb.
>>
>> A true competitor, an even better human being.
>>
>> Bravo.
>>
>
Your spite-knickers are showing, Mary...
Adam Smith
> We can all learn something of lifelong value from McNabb.
>
> A true competitor, an even better human being.
Not to take anything away from McNabb -- what he did was very
upstanding and sportsmanlike -- but I think generally NFL players are
pretty collegial towards each other. I remember a story about a
linebacker on an opposing team asking John Elway during the offseason
how he was always able to tell when the guy was going to blitz. And
Elway went ahead and basically explained all of the tells he was using
to read him before the snap.
On the other side of things, Cutler has also been very pro-active
about seeking out advice from other players. I think when he went to
his first pro bowl as a 3rd-stringer he treated it as an opportunity
to shadow Manning and Brady and just watch them and learn from their
habits.
Nunya Bidnits
> Naw. Selling shoes man, selling shoes.
What are you wearing?
Cleatarrior
What was particularly unique about this was the length of the talk and
the fact it went out on national TV. I'm guessing a good 20-30 seconds,
which is a long head to head talk. McNabb sent the nation a message too.
KG
> Donovan McNabb's post-game pep talk to Jay Cutler was the single
> greatest act of sportsmanship in the history of the NFL.
>
> Knowing the camera was live McNabb approached Jay in such a way as
> Cutler's body guarded any ability to read Donovan's lips.
>
> It was obvious from the body language and the sheer length of the talk
> that McNabb was showing his respect and compassion for Cutler and in the
> same instance sending a powerful message to a national television audience:
>
> 'Do not give up on this young man, he does belong here, and we will have
> faith in him and root for him to succeed.'
<snip>
How do you know he wasn't giving him the message that Jerome Bettis
sent him?
Posted: Monday November 23, 2009 4:56PM; Updated: Monday November 23,
2009 6:45PM
by Jerome Bettis
<snip>
* If I'm a coach and could bench anyone in the league I would go with
Jay Cutler. (Keep in mind, I considered Tony Romo and Mark Sanchez,
too.) It seems like after every incomplete throw, every bad pass,
Cutler is turning on someone and complaining about a route or
something else that a receiver did wrong. Clearly this guy's not on
the same page with everyone in Chicago. He's deflecting blame. He
needs a timeout to get his head straight and he needs to check his
ego. The guy's so headstrong and so confident in his ability to throw
a football that it puts him in trouble. He needs to re-evaluate his
game, start from the bottom with his raw skill set, and work his way
back up. At some point he has to accept some blame. Look, Jay: If you
smell s--- everywhere you go, it just might be you.
<snip><end>
bob johnson
HATE HIM IF THE BLACKMAN MAKES MORE MONEY AND IS MORE FAMOUS THEN THE KKK
KKKRACKER!!
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> inv...@invalid.invalid (Nunya Bidnits) chiseled in stone for all
> posterity
> to see <hefi8c$cvq$1...@news.eternal-september.org>:
>
>>What are you wearing?
>
> Steel Toed Carolinas.
> --
> Perfectly yours,
> Mary
>
>
>
>
> Butch
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>do in a long time.
>McNabb is a class quality man, and his parents deserve the honors for
>raising him right.
Mr.Plonk
McNabb did this at the urgeing of the Eagles Backup QB who is Cutlers
friend
Cleatarrior
Because I'm not a cynic, and because McNabb was on the same field with
him and you could read the body language a lot better than trying to
discern any positive agenda in Bettis' obvious smackdown.
Cutler's receivers have been almost as bad as the Bears' running game.
And I've watched enough Bears' games on the 30 minute shortcuts to say
that with authority. Over 1/2 of his picks are due to the crap routes
they run and a good percentage of the others are chance deflections. For
all Knox may become and already is, Hester is taking it away on his end
and Lovie still can't find away to get the TE to factor as much as need be.
Sound like one of the other teams in this group list?
KG
> KG wrote:
> > On Nov 23, 2:12 pm, Cleatarrior <nos...@xx.block> wrote:
> >> Donovan McNabb's post-game pep talk to Jay Cutler was the single
> >> greatest act of sportsmanship in the history of the NFL.
>
> >> Knowing the camera was live McNabb approached Jay in such a way as
> >> Cutler's body guarded any ability to read Donovan's lips.
>
> >> It was obvious from the body language and the sheer length of the talk
> >> that McNabb was showing his respect and compassion for Cutler and in the
> >> same instance sending a powerful message to a national television audience:
>
> >> 'Do not give up on this young man, he does belong here, and we will have
> >> faith in him and root for him to succeed.'
>
> > <snip>
>
> > How do you know he wasn't giving him the message that Jerome Bettis
> > sent him?
>
>
> > Posted: Monday November 23, 2009 4:56PM; Updated: Monday November 23,
> > 2009 6:45PM
>
> > by Jerome Bettis
>
> > <snip>
>
> > * If I'm a coach and could bench anyone in the league I would go with
> > Jay Cutler. (Keep in mind, I considered Tony Romo and Mark Sanchez,
> > too.) It seems like after every incomplete throw, every bad pass,
> > Cutler is turning on someone and complaining about a route or
> > something else that a receiver did wrong. Clearly this guy's not on
> > the same page with everyone in Chicago. He's deflecting blame. He
> > needs a timeout to get his head straight and he needs to check his
> > ego. The guy's so headstrong and so confident in his ability to throw
> > a football that it puts him in trouble. He needs to re-evaluate his
> > game, start from the bottom with his raw skill set, and work his way
> > back up. At some point he has to accept some blame. Look, Jay: If you
> > smell s--- everywhere you go, it just might be you.
>
> > <snip><end>
>
> Because I'm not a cynic, and because McNabb was on the same field with
> him and you could read the body language a lot better than trying to
> discern any positive agenda in Bettis' obvious smackdown.
>
> Cutler's receivers have been almost as bad as the Bears' running game.
<snip>
You're doing the same thing that Cutler is doing. Blaming everyone
else.
Cleatarrior
> inv...@invalid.invalid (Nunya Bidnits) chiseled in stone for all posterity
> to see <hefi8c$cvq$1...@news.eternal-september.org>:
>
>> What are you wearing?
>
> Steel Toed Carolinas.
Well if you go to Florida, don't lick them ;-)
Cleatarrior
Cleatarrior
Ya'll are tight that way, right?
Cleatarrior
I've seen almost all their games, you?
ng_reader
> gotany...@gmail.com (Mr.Plonk) chiseled in stone for all posterity to
> see <15bff66d-fa84-4b8c...@p33g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>:
>
>>McNabb did this at the urgeing of the Eagles Backup QB who is Cutlers
>>friend
>>
>
> citation?
> --
> Perfectly yours,
> Mary
>
>
> *******Because*******
> http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
> � 1999 by the American Psychological Association
> December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134
So you think "Mr. Plonk", besides being a right-wing evangelical zealot,
would ever be anything more than a sports troll? Really?.
Nunya Bidnits
Blame deflection, dis-accountability... Cutler and Herm Edwards seem like a
match made in heaven. Hey, Lovie is toast, most likely, so hey...
Herm Edwards is available.
But I bet it will be The Rat.
MartyB in KC
Nunya Bidnits
Your close bromantic bud Donovan musta told you that over some beers up in
his crib, eh?
KG
Nope. But I've played a lot of team sports, have you?
Always blaming others when things go wrong is not the way to make it
better. It's certainly not the way for a quarterback, a de facto team
leader, to act. Not if he wants his team to be successful and not if
he wants others around him to maximize theirs and his talent.
KG
september.invalid> wrote:
>
> Blame deflection, dis-accountability... Cutler and Herm Edwards seem like a
> match made in heaven.
Would they point fingers at each other?
Cleatarrior
> gotany...@gmail.com (Mr.Plonk) chiseled in stone for all posterity to
> see <15bff66d-fa84-4b8c...@p33g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>:
>
>> friend
>>
>
> citation?
Lol, luck with that!
Cleatarrior
Well then...
> But I've played a lot of team sports, have you?
Sure have, football, soccer, baseball, etc.
> Always blaming others when things go wrong is not the way to make it
> better. It's certainly not the way for a quarterback, a de facto team
> leader, to act. Not if he wants his team to be successful and not if
> he wants others around him to maximize theirs and his talent.
I don't disagree there at all, but I am noting that his team has been a
joke, compared to say what Favre got in Minnesota.
Diogenes
> Donovan McNabb's post-game pep talk to Jay Cutler was the single
> greatest act of sportsmanship in the history of the NFL.
>
> We can all learn something of lifelong value from McNabb.
>
> A true competitor, an even better human being.
>
> Bravo.
job. You sound like some kind of freak with "manlove" for Donovan
McFlabb (third rate QB). I'll bet you voted for obama
great_awesome
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> act of sportsmanship in the history of the NFL.
...that you've seen on TV in the past couple weeks.
You are going way overboard. It was a blowhardy move, and if Cutler "really
appreciated" getting mentored, after a loss, by a rival, on national TV,
then he's probably not much of a competitor. Which is actually evident in
his play, come to think of it.
It's not selfless to be seen being the Grand Advice Giver on national tv.
It's patronizing and blowhardy.
It's selfless to call cutler after the game and do it in private, if he
really felt the need to impart some advice.
KG
If Cutler wants to be a leader he still shouldn't be showing up his
teamates publicly, no matter how bad they are.
He's still got a chance to grow up. Vince Young, to his credit, grew
up. I gotta admit, I thought he was finished. Gotta give him his due -
nice work there.
Back to Cutler: thus far, he hasn't shown any sort of proclivity to
learning and growing. The #1 action that needs to take place in a
person's mind when getting better is accountability. You can't correct
mistakes whether they be behavioral, technical or whatever, if, in
your mind, you never make mistakes in the first place.
Cleatarrior
Oh lookie, pre-turkey troll time...
Cleatarrior
>
> "Cleatarrior" <nos...@xx.block> wrote in message
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>> Donovan McNabb's post-game pep talk to Jay Cutler was the single
>> greatest act of sportsmanship in the history of the NFL.
>
> ...that you've seen on TV in the past couple weeks.
No I'll go 40 or so years on this one thanks.
> You are going way overboard. It was a blowhardy move, and if Cutler
> "really appreciated" getting mentored, after a loss, by a rival, on
> national TV, then he's probably not much of a competitor. Which is
> actually evident in his play, come to think of it.
>
> It's not selfless to be seen being the Grand Advice Giver on national
> tv. It's patronizing and blowhardy.
>
> It's selfless to call cutler after the game and do it in private, if he
> really felt the need to impart some advice.
The message sent was not just to Cutler, it was to fans across the nation.
I can't instruct you in this medium as to the true value of selfless
compassion, but I wager life has the relevant tool set - enjoy.
Cleatarrior
I have to agree.
> He's still got a chance to grow up. Vince Young, to his credit, grew
> up. I gotta admit, I thought he was finished. Gotta give him his due -
> nice work there.
So far so good, maybe benching Jay would do the trick?
> Back to Cutler: thus far, he hasn't shown any sort of proclivity to
> learning and growing. The #1 action that needs to take place in a
> person's mind when getting better is accountability. You can't correct
> mistakes whether they be behavioral, technical or whatever, if, in
> your mind, you never make mistakes in the first place.
I'm not in his mind, and neither are you. All we can do is interpret
from actions.
I suspect some of what Donovan may have said touched on that, but unless
one of them talks, we'll never know.
Funny thing, your QB is a classless punk, the Joey Porter of your O, but
his immaturity, as yet unabated, is forgiven because he produces wins.
Odd how winning makes even the most childish behavior acceptable, isn't it?
KG
>
> Funny thing, your QB is a classless punk, the Joey Porter of your O, but
> his immaturity, as yet unabated, is forgiven because he produces wins.
>
> Odd how winning makes even the most childish behavior acceptable, isn't it?
First of all, I'll grant that he should keep his mouth shut. I wish
that he'd stop doing that.
However, there is a distinction between his trash talking and other
people's trash talking. His teamates say that it's all competitive and
it's all *clean*. Apparently he never utters even a cuss word. It ends
up looking bad on video because you expect people to be talking some
serious smack when their mouth is yapping like that. I might have a
hard time believing that he's clean, but off the field, he's the same.
He drives a minivan while all his teamates have fancy cars. His
teamates go clubbing and he goes home to his wife and kids.
That said, I wish he'd shut his trap, but it's not the same as Joey
Porter.
Cleatarrior
> On Nov 25, 8:02 am, Cleatarrior <nos...@xx.block> wrote:
>
>> Funny thing, your QB is a classless punk, the Joey Porter of your O, but
>> his immaturity, as yet unabated, is forgiven because he produces wins.
>>
>> Odd how winning makes even the most childish behavior acceptable, isn't it?
>
>
>
> First of all, I'll grant that he should keep his mouth shut. I wish
> that he'd stop doing that.
Fair enough, you gain credibility there.
> However, there is a distinction between his trash talking and other
> people's trash talking. His teamates say that it's all competitive and
> it's all *clean*. Apparently he never utters even a cuss word. It ends
> up looking bad on video because you expect people to be talking some
> serious smack when their mouth is yapping like that. I might have a
> hard time believing that he's clean, but off the field, he's the same.
> He drives a minivan while all his teamates have fancy cars. His
> teamates go clubbing and he goes home to his wife and kids.
I'll give you that too, he's your guy, you should know.
> That said, I wish he'd shut his trap, but it's not the same as Joey
> Porter.
In content no, in application, close.
KG
I've had the argument many times with people in my group who defend
Rivers' yapping. He really should shut up. It doesn't seem like
there's anything to be done about it though - it's just part of who he
is.
I was just pointing out to you that it's not at the same level of
smacktalk of most guys. Rivers is actually a good guy. He just looks
like a punk when his mouth is going like that. One of the reasons he
should shut up is it hurts his image with people who aren't familiar
with what he's saying. You, for instance. I can't blame you either -
he makes himself look like a punk.
Cleatarrior
Fair enough, he's your guy, you get to grade him.
(wishing he was our problem...)
The minute I saw his last bowl game I knew the guy was big time.
great_awesome
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> great_awesome wrote:
>>
>> It's not selfless to be seen being the Grand Advice Giver on national tv.
>> It's patronizing and blowhardy.
>>
>> It's selfless to call cutler after the game and do it in private, if he
>> really felt the need to impart some advice.
>
> The message sent was not just to Cutler, it was to fans across the nation.
Glad it brought a tear to your eye, but you're being a bit sentimental and
maudlin about it.
KG
> Donovan McNabb's post-game pep talk to Jay Cutler was the single
> greatest act of sportsmanship in the history of the NFL.
<snip>
Here's one from golf:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jones_(golfer)
<snip>
Jones was not only a consummately skilled golfer, but he also
exemplified the principles of sportsmanship and fair play. Early in
his amateur career, he was in the final playoff of the 1925 U.S. Open
at the Worcester Country Club. During the match, his ball ended up in
the rough just off the fairway, and as he was setting up to play his
shot, his iron caused a slight movement of the ball. He immediately
got angry with himself, turned to the marshals, and called a penalty
on himself. The marshals discussed among themselves and questioned
some of the gallery if anyone had seen Jones' ball move. Their
decision was that neither they nor anyone else had witnessed any
incident, so the decision was left to Jones. Bobby Jones called the
two-stroke penalty on himself, not knowing that he would lose the
tournament by one stroke. When he was praised for his gesture, Jones
replied, "You may as well praise a man for not robbing a bank." The
USGA's sportsmanship award is named the Bob Jones Award in his honor.
<snip><end>
Cleatarrior
Sorry to see you're too jaded to gauge real emotion.
Nunya Bidnits
No, Cutler would give Edwards the finger and Edwards would fail to
acknowledge that it happened.
Actually a better match is The Herminator and JaMoney Russell. Russell could
say "It's not me" and the Herminator would say, "Right, it's not me either.
But that was a hell of an effort and I'm proud. Take the week off and eat
lots of comfort food."
MartyB in KC