Shannahan: Pick up Leaf
scottls
discipline and I'm afraid they're going to waste a good athlete. I
think Leaf's problems are just immaturity and if he was taken under by
our city, he would be another great legend.
scottls
Alan Wainright
Oh God no, please, say it isn't so and DON'T DO IT!
Ryan has all the physical skills, but none of the requisite mentals to be
a great NFL QB. Part of the problem is that he's apparently not a very
bright guy. He relied on his considerable natural athletic talent to
dominate at the college level, but that's not enough in the NFL.
An article not too long back (July?) in the San Diego Tribune reported
that a personality specialist who evaluated both Leaf and Peyton Manning
before the draft warned Bobby Beathard that Leaf might not be able or
willing to make the commitment and do the work needed to become a solid
(much less legendary) pro QB. Beathard drafted Leaf anyhow, and the rest
is history.... And so should Ryan be. History, I mean.
Now, after all the trouble he had last year, he had to be pulled away from
a mouthy fan yesterday at practice. Doesn't this guy ever learn? Has he no
idea how much fuel he's giving the national media to roast him with?
I think Leaf is destined for the junk heap as one of the NFL's all-time
great draft busts. I don't see where any change of scenery or coaches can
salvage what once looked like a promising, sure-thing career. What a
waste.
Alan
=====
History: the thinking man's comedy.
=====
scottls
<geor...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Hi, Scott:
>
>> It's not working out in SD for Ryan Leaf. They don't have the proper
>> discipline and I'm afraid they're going to waste a good athlete. I
>> think Leaf's problems are just immaturity and if he was taken under by
>> our city, he would be another great legend.
>
>Oh God no, please, say it isn't so and DON'T DO IT!
>
>Ryan has all the physical skills, but none of the requisite mentals to be
>a great NFL QB. Part of the problem is that he's apparently not a very
>bright guy. He relied on his considerable natural athletic talent to
>dominate at the college level, but that's not enough in the NFL.
I agree, but it is not necessarily the case.
>
>An article not too long back (July?) in the San Diego Tribune reported
>that a personality specialist who evaluated both Leaf and Peyton Manning
>before the draft warned Bobby Beathard that Leaf might not be able or
>willing to make the commitment and do the work needed to become a solid
>(much less legendary) pro QB. Beathard drafted Leaf anyhow, and the rest
>is history.... And so should Ryan be. History, I mean.
You could be right, but doctors used to say that salt caused heart
attacks. My point being that the "experts" and "specialists" aren't
always right.
>
>Now, after all the trouble he had last year, he had to be pulled away from
>a mouthy fan yesterday at practice. Doesn't this guy ever learn? Has he no
>idea how much fuel he's giving the national media to roast him with?
You know what I like about Leaf? He doesn't take crap! He's a
fighter. Yes, his tactfulness leaves something to be desired, but I
just think that's just immaturity. I believe anybody can be developed
into a quality person with the right balance of respect and
dicsipline.
And f*ck the media. I am so turned off by the hound-dog media it
makes me sick.
>
>I think Leaf is destined for the junk heap as one of the NFL's all-time
>great draft busts. I don't see where any change of scenery or coaches can
>salvage what once looked like a promising, sure-thing career. What a
>waste.
It would be a waste, but I'm not giving up. I think he has a great
future still.
Thanks for your comments Alan,
scottls
Alan Wainright
scottls wrote:
> <polite snippage>
> You could be right, but doctors used to say that salt caused heart
> attacks. My point being that the "experts" and "specialists" aren't
> always right.
True, but sometimes they get it right, too. I just tried to hit the SD
Tribune's web page from prosportspage.com to get a quote, but the server was
busy. Seemed like a good idea to give you the source, instead of my
interpretation. I'll try again later.
> You know what I like about Leaf? He doesn't take crap! He's a
> fighter. Yes, his tactfulness leaves something to be desired, but I
> just think that's just immaturity. I believe anybody can be developed
> into a quality person with the right balance of respect and
> dicsipline.
Question is, I guess, if he can be taught when, where and what to fight. Maybe
he needs to hit the absolute bottom, like an alcoholic, before he gets the idea
that he has to try something different and rebuild his career. In that case,
maybe getting buried in a depth chart somewhere for a year or so would help him
-- but not in Denver, please! I don't know Shanahan personally, but it would
surprise me if he would have anything to do with Leaf. I was really
disappointed in Bill Walsh's decision to pick up Lawrence Philips, too.
> >I think Leaf is destined for the junk heap as one of the NFL's all-time
> >great draft busts. I don't see where any change of scenery or coaches can
> >salvage what once looked like a promising, sure-thing career. What a
> >waste.
>
> It would be a waste, but I'm not giving up. I think he has a great
> future still.
For Ryan's sake, I hope you're right. I don't think I'd ever cheer for the guy,
but I'm not cheering about his current troubles, either. He deserves at least
some compassion from me just as a fellow human being. Lost and in over his
head, maybe, but I'm sorry he's going through all this.
> Thanks for your comments Alan,
>
Have a great weekend, Scott!
col...@my-deja.com
My first response to your post was similar to Alan's. As
I think about it, though, I realize there is a possibility
Leaf still has a chance to make it in this league. The
real problem with a lot of these quarterback busts (i.e Leaf, Mirer,
Shuler,...etc) is that they are brought in and expected
to be succesful starters on poor teams, and to do it
right off the bat. That's a lot of stress to put on a
rookie qb. Even Elway struggled in his first year.
Leaf does have a lot to learn. But as for the incident
with the fan, after reading what this guy said to him,
I wouldn't have blamed Leaf for decking the guy.
Colin
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Pan
out like Leaf? Ryan Leaf is one of a handful of players in the league
that I would absolutely hate to see on the broncos roster. He was
greeted by San Diego the same way that Elway was greeted by Denver. He
has demonstrated poor judgement, poor work habits, he doesn't handle
pressure well, and he's lost the respect of his teammates. Those are not
exactly things that you look for in an NFL quarterback.
scottls wrote:
>
> It's not working out in SD for Ryan Leaf. They don't have the proper
> discipline and I'm afraid they're going to waste a good athlete. I
> think Leaf's problems are just immaturity and if he was taken under by
> our city, he would be another great legend.
>
> scottls
Judy 9=1
don,t think we (the broncos) want Leaf. We
have Brister for the rest of his career and Brian Griese workimg his way
into starter position in
a couple of years. Brian's got a lot of maturity
already I think he'll do very well for us for quite
a while. go BRONCOS Judy8
Don't forget to hug someone.
5
welfare... mark my words.
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Judy 9=1
your comments about Leaf. He'll get some chances to mature and then his
talent will become useful. If no one is going to talk any
more than this today, I think I'll go visit the
Green Bay NG. Go Broncos Judy9-1
Sheila Wainright
Fillard Millmore wrote:
> >Chow laim ass,
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> This part is too funny to even comment on. Your next assignment, agent
> scottls, is to figure out what's wrong with the phrase "chow laim
> ass". Remember, you only get one try, and if you are caught you will
> be laughed at. Again.
>
> Fillard Millmore
>
> We are Bronco.You will be assimilated.Resistance is futile.
No problem, Fillard: nothing is wrong with the phrase!
It's a Chinese delicacy, related to chow mein. >8->
Bronco Bob
>Date: Fri, 20 August 1999 12:08 PM EDT
>Message-id: <37bd7cd8...@news.giganews.com>
>
>It's not working out in SD for Ryan Leaf. They don't have the proper
>discipline and I'm afraid they're going to waste a good athlete. I
>think Leaf's problems are just immaturity and if he was taken under by
>our city, he would be another great legend.
>
Thanks but no thanks. If it's all the same to you, we will
keep Brian Griese instead, the potential to be the best
QB of all the class of '98.
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Fillard Millmore
Leaf is doing absolutely *everything* wrong if he wants to become a
commodity in the NFL. He's put himself under the microscope and is
pissed off that people watch everything he does. He may have a great
future. Right now he's worse than an unknown entity. He's a liability.
The kinds of stuff he does, the juvenile attitude he exudes are too
much of a distraction to the team, any team, that has to put up with
them. Too bad for Leaf, but the Chargers are better off with him in
civvies, unless and until he figures it all out.
Bronco Bob
>Date: Fri, 20 August 1999 08:32 PM EDT
>Message-id: <6zmv3.5627$a4.3...@typ12.nn.bcandid.com>
>I bet you all $10 that when Leaf is 40, he'll be a washed-up drunk on
>welfare... mark my words.
Yes, but by the way the laws regarding welfare are currently set up,
he will be off welfare by the time he is 42.
(that was a joke, you can laugh now.)
Judy 9=1
>Too bad for Leaf, but the Chargers are better
> off with him in civvies, unless and until he
> figures it all out.
time to mature. Chargers have 2 pretty good
QBs now with experience and can afford to
give Leaf the time. Am I mistaken? No comment on my trip to GreenBay?
Thats OK
They ignored me there too. Judy8
Brister Loser
discipline and I'm afraid they're going to waste a good athlete. I think
Leaf's problems are just immaturity and if he was taken under by our
city, he would be another great legend.
Ryan has all the physical skills, but none of the requisite mentals to
be a great NFL QB. Part of the problem is that he's apparently not a
very bright guy. He relied on his considerable natural athletic talent
to dominate at the college level, but that's not enough in the NFL.
that a personality specialist who evaluated both Leaf and Peyton Manning
before the draft warned Bobby Beathard that Leaf might not be able or
willing to make the commitment and do the work needed to become a solid
(much less legendary) pro QB. Beathard drafted Leaf anyhow, and the rest
is history.... And so should Ryan be. History, I mean.
from a mouthy fan yesterday at practice. Doesn't this guy ever learn?
Has he no idea how much fuel he's giving the national media to roast him
with?
great draft busts. I don't see where any change of scenery or coaches
can salvage what once looked like a promising, sure-thing career. What a
waste.
=====
History: the thinking man's comedy.
=====
Sharp and Leaf talk their way to a losing season 8-8 go donkeys!!!!
Shanahan Loser Without Elway
discipline and I'm afraid they're going to waste a good athlete. I think
Leaf's problems are just immaturity and if he was taken under by our
city, he would be another great legend.
Still looking for a elway replacement,thought the great Bubby was your
man:)
Shows the donkey fans are getting worried:)
Silver & Black
Alan Wainright
Judy 9=1 wrote:
> But the key to my post was that he needed
> time to mature. Chargers have 2 pretty good
> QBs now with experience and can afford to
> give Leaf the time. Am I mistaken? No comment on my trip to GreenBay?
> Thats OK
> They ignored me there too. Judy8
Ignored you? How rude! Was there any interesting buzz about tonight's
game?
Gordon Stokes. King of Gordonia
>man:)
>Shows the donkey fans are getting worried:)
>
>Silver & Black
Actually, all that you've proven is that Raider fans still can't grasp the
basic idea of how Mike Shanahan has been able to coach the Broncos into two
straight Super Bowl victories when he couldn't win for Al Davis.
It's sad, really.
-Gordon Stokes
Other notable Gordons include: Flash Gordon, Commissioner Gordon, Gordon Jump,
Gordon Lightfoot, Gordon "Gordie" Howe, G. Gordon Liddy, Artemus Gordon, Gale
Gordon, General "Chinese" Gordon and "Gordon" by Barenaked Ladies.
scottls
I'm not worried at all. I'm just always looking to improve. You,
you're a loser and always worrying about the competition instead of
making the competition worry about you. Which I am not, obviously.
Chow laim ass,
scottls
On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:36:52 -0500 (CDT), Donkey...@webtv.net
(Shanahan Loser Without Elway) wrote:
>It's not working out in SD for Ryan Leaf. They don't have the proper
>discipline and I'm afraid they're going to waste a good athlete. I think
>Leaf's problems are just immaturity and if he was taken under by our
>city, he would be another great legend.
>scottls
>
Fillard Millmore
(scottls) wrote:
>Hey F-wad,
>
>I'm not worried at all. I'm just always looking to improve. You,
>you're a loser and always worrying about the competition instead of
>making the competition worry about you. Which I am not, obviously.
>
You are not what? Competition?
>Chow laim ass,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This part is too funny to even comment on. Your next assignment, agent
scottls, is to figure out what's wrong with the phrase "chow laim
ass". Remember, you only get one try, and if you are caught you will
be laughed at. Again.
scottls
>>Chow laim ass,
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>This part is too funny to even comment on. Your next assignment, agent
>scottls, is to figure out what's wrong with the phrase "chow laim
>ass". Remember, you only get one try, and if you are caught you will
>be laughed at. Again.
>
>
Maybe a newsgroup junkie wizard with no life like you can teach me a
standard response to people who pick out little things like spelling.
scottls
Fillard Millmore
I probably could. But this just illustrates that there's so much more
to address before we'd get around to mundane crap like spelling.
Fillard Millmore
<es...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
>Fillard Millmore wrote:
>
>> >Chow laim ass,
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> This part is too funny to even comment on. Your next assignment, agent
>> scottls, is to figure out what's wrong with the phrase "chow laim
>> ass". Remember, you only get one try, and if you are caught you will
>> be laughed at. Again.
>>
>> Fillard Millmore
>>
>> We are Bronco.You will be assimilated.Resistance is futile.
>
>No problem, Fillard: nothing is wrong with the phrase!
>
>It's a Chinese delicacy, related to chow mein. >8->
>
>Alan
>
>=====
>History: the thinking man's comedy.
>=====
>
>
Oh. I thought it was 'chow lai mass'
Gordon Stokes. King of Gordonia
>>
>>It's a Chinese delicacy, related to chow mein. >8->
>>
>>Alan
>>
>>=====
>>History: the thinking man's comedy.
>>=====
>>
>>
>Oh. I thought it was 'chow lai mass'
You know, I ate at a chinese place just the other day where they had the best
chicken chow laim ass I've ever had...
Alan Wainright
> >No problem, Fillard: nothing is wrong with the phrase!
> >
> >It's a Chinese delicacy, related to chow mein. >8->
> >
> >
> >
> Oh. I thought it was 'chow lai mass'
>
> Fillard Millmore
>
>
Nah. The "Chow Lai Mass" woulda been the Catholic funeral service for the
former Premier of Red China, the guy who was in charge back when Richard
Nixon visited.
Fillard Millmore
King of Gordonia) wrote:
>>>No problem, Fillard: nothing is wrong with the phrase!
>>>
>>>It's a Chinese delicacy, related to chow mein. >8->
>>>
>>>Alan
>>>
>>>=====
>>>History: the thinking man's comedy.
>>>=====
>>>
>>>
>>Oh. I thought it was 'chow lai mass'
>
>You know, I ate at a chinese place just the other day where they had the best
>chicken chow laim ass I've ever had...
Do they use the real ass of a lame chicken in that, or just that
insipid tofu?
Gordon Stokes. King of Gordonia
>best
>>chicken chow laim ass I've ever had...
>
>Do they use the real ass of a lame chicken in that, or just that
>insipid tofu?
>
Oh, the real stuff, absolutely. I wouldn't even eat it if it were tofu...